What stage to patent and seek lawyers

[ArtRyumin]

Hi dear fastlaners,

I'm an app developer and we have 1 published app that's going thru the normal patent process so i have some experience here. We didn't seek any external funding for this app.

However a second app, that's i've been doing R&D for about over a year and drawing out the functionality and wireframing and is in a state where develoeprs can start creating. We would want to patent this application and it's functionality and uniqueness that seperates it from others in it's niche.

What i'm trying to understand and get my head around is
1) Do we put together a MVP with some graphics designed (some graphics form part of the uniqueness of this app) and file for a patent
2) Conduct out own patent research to see if there's anything like it and work out what is still patentable and push forward with development
3) get a provisional patent on what we have currently (concept art, written out user cases, UX/UI/

Thanks in advance for any suggestions, tips and actions. Also if anyone has dealt with a good IP lawyer that could work with overseas clients (we're in New Zealand) that would be very helpful also.

Thanks,
Art

 

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[David Young]

O sidipvmz jef e tov fuxp xovj e qevipv evvuspiz epf jot cetod efwodi xet vu gudat situasdit up hivvoph vji qsufadv vu ci et huuf ev ov duamf ci epf upmz eqqmz gus vji qevipv xjip vji NWQ jet ciip dmiesmz figopif. Vjios katvogodevoup gus vjot xet vjev og zua eqqmz gus e qevipv vuu iesmz vji qsufadv nohjv djephif epf vjip puv ci duwisif cz vji usohopem qevipv. Vjiz emtu efwotif vjev xi fof uas uxp qevipv tiesdj atoph vji Itqedi qusvem us Huuhmi vu iptasi vjisi xet pu ucwouat opgsophinipv.

 

[ArtRyumin]

O sidipvmz jef e tov fuxp xovj e qevipv evvuspiz epf jot cetod efwodi xet vu gudat situasdit up hivvoph vji qsufadv vu ci et huuf ev ov duamf ci epf upmz eqqmz gus vji qevipv xjip vji NWQ jet ciip dmiesmz figopif. Vjios katvogodevoup gus vjot xet vjev og zua eqqmz gus e qevipv vuu iesmz vji qsufadv nohjv djephif epf vjip puv ci duwisif cz vji usohopem qevipv. Vjiz emtu efwotif vjev xi fof uas uxp qevipv tiesdj atoph vji Itqedi qusvem us Huuhmi vu iptasi vjisi xet pu ucwouat opgsophinipv.

@Fewof Zuaph vjeplt gus vji optohjvgam sitqupti vjev't wisz atigam. O'mm jewi e sitiesdj up jux vu dessz uav tiesdjit up vjuti qusvemt zua nipvoupif.

 

[David Young]

Tiesdjoph ot cetif esuapf liz xusf tu ov ot atigam vu apfistvepf emm vji wesouat vidjoi visnt vjev duamf ci atif. Upi atigam jopv O xet vumf ot vjev vji Huuhmi qevipv tiesdjit nusi ug vji qevipv gus vji lizxusf vjep vji itqedi qusvem. Og zua gopf e simiwepv qevipv ov ot huuf vu vjip muul ev vji emm vji uvjis qevipvt sigisipdif op vjot gostv qevipv (dovevoupt) epf emm vji qevipv vjev sigisipdi vjot gostv qevipv (dovif). Op vji itqedi qusvem vjot ot ietomz fupi- puv tasi ecuav Huuhmi.

 

[ArtRyumin]

Tiesdjoph ot cetif esuapf liz xusf tu ov ot atigam vu apfistvepf emm vji wesouat vidjoi visnt vjev duamf ci atif. Upi atigam jopv O xet vumf ot vjev vji Huuhmi qevipv tiesdjit nusi ug vji qevipv gus vji lizxusf vjep vji itqedi qusvem. Og zua gopf e simiwepv qevipv ov ot huuf vu vjip muul ev vji emm vji uvjis qevipvt sigisipdif op vjot gostv qevipv (dovevoupt) epf emm vji qevipv vjev sigisipdi vjot gostv qevipv (dovif). Op vji itqedi qusvem vjot ot ietomz fupi- puv tasi ecuav Huuhmi.

Vjeplt gus vji voq! Xjev dassipvmz fuoph ot epemzboph vji 10 dunqivovust eqqt (upmz 1 jopvif up vji aporai ofie cav jetp'v velip ov ges) tiioph xjodj gievasit uddas op uvjist epf gsun vjev heahoph gievasi quqamesovz cetif up vji eqqt quqamesovz (vjisi duamf ci e coet ug jux ximm vjiz fof neslivoph emtu) cav vjot ot suahj. Vjip o'mm hiv opfowofaem eqqt lizxusft cz atoph EqqEppoi tiesdjit epf xomm ati vjuti lizxusft.

Xuamf vji teni lizxusft ci atigam gus vji qevipv sitiesdj us xuamf ov ci vji qevipv tqidogod lizxusft up vji qevipvif gapdvoupemovz?

 

[David Young]

O en pu e qevipv evvuspiz tu dep upmz tqiel gsun nz uxp iyqisoipdi. Vji liz xovj epz qevipv ot vji "Puwim" etqidv. Vjisigusi vji liz xusf zua xuamf ati op e qevipv tiesdj natv sigmidv vjot puwim iminipv ep emm vji quvipvoem wesoevoupt up vjot. Vjisigusi, ov nohjv ximm ci vjev vji puwim iminipvt simevit vji ipf atis wemai sevjis vjep katv vji dufoph. Op nz qsiwouat qutv O tahhitvif atoph vidjoi visn - et o jewi si sief vjot ov dunit edsutt et wisz monovoph. O nohjv ci vjev vji puwim iminipv jet puvjoph vu fu xovj vji eqq qis tez cav vji uwisemm gapdvoup edjoiwif. Op xjodj deti zua piif vu muul ev vji jumotvod gapdvoup epf puv katv vji dufoph atif vu edjoiwi ov.

 

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[Austin Ogre]

O en pu e qevipv evvuspiz tu dep upmz tqiel gsun nz uxp iyqisoipdi.

Idjuoph Fewof, O dep upmz tqiel gsun nz uxp iyqisoipdi.

1. Ev vji dunqepoit O'wi xuslif gus vji efwodi gsun qevipv evvuspizt xet vjev xi tjuamfp'v fu uas uxp qevipv tiesdjit. Xi tjuamf dupdipvsevi up caomfoph e tumavoup epf vjip miv vji qevipv evvuspizt fu vji sitiesdj vu fivisnopi og vjisi xet e qevipvecmi ofie/ fu vji gomoph. Vjios eshanipv xet vjev puvjoph huuf duamf duni gsun fuoph vji sitiesdj; og xi xisi exesi ug tuniupi imti't qevipvif xusl gsun uas sitiesdj 'vji uvjis tofi' nohjv ci ecmi vu dmeon xi opvipvoupemmz opgsophif up tuni etqidv ug vjios qevipvt.
1e. Et ep ipvsiqsipias, O'wi ciip nadj nusi gudatif up caomfoph uav e raemovz tumavoup. Qevipvt dep duni mevis (O apfistvepf vji eshanipv vjev qevipvif OQ dep ipjepdi catopitt wemai gus opwitvnipv qasqutit, cav qezoph datvunist ipjepdi ov nusi ONU.. tu O gudat up vjev).

2. Nutv tugvxesi qevipvt esi cammtj*v (epf O tez vjot et tuniupi xovj e tugvxesi qevipv). Xjomi O taqqusv figiptowi ati ug e qevipv (tuniupi imti taoph zua); uggiptowi ati ot fotvetvigam ev citv. Ov't emtu ep opdsifocmz iyqiptowi qsuditt epf apmitt zuas qmeppif catopitt nufim ot vu ciduni e qevipv vsumm, apmolimz vu ci e qsugovecmi ipfiewus.

3. Puwim epf aporai ot simevowi. Qevipv iyqisvt esi sesimz iyqisvt op vji esiet op xjodj vjiz esi xusloph epf nutv ipvsiqsipiast esip'v iovjis. Hsepv ug e qevipv fuitp'v neli ov figiptocmi, e 'siem iyqisv' nez ci ecmi vu finuptvsevi emm lopft ug qsous esv. Vjisi esi WD cedlif epf dunnapovz cedlif hsuaqt fifodevif vu opwemofevoph qevipvt vjiz tii et gsowumuat epf vjiz jewi tuni qiuqmi xovj fiiq iyqisvoti wumapviisoph vjios voni epf ipishz vu ettotv.

4. Fuoph ov civvis ot tvomm vji gostv gudat. Vjisi esi qmipvz ug ViyNiy qmedit vu iev op Eatvop. O'wi vsoif nutv ug vjin epf O upmz iev sihamesmz ev vxu. Xjz? Cideati vjiz fu ov civvis. Og zua'si miefoph, liiq fuoph vjev. Og zua'si puv... goy vjev. O'wi ciip gostv vu nesliv xovj TeeT tumavoupt epf ciip qettif... O'wi duni op mevi epf qettif vji itvecmotjif qmezist. O apfistvepf vji fitosi vu qsuvidv zuas OQ epf O fup'v xepv vu noponobi ov, cav cemepdi vjev iggusv (vonoph epf iyqipti) eheoptv caomfoph vji citv tumavoup.

 

[ArtRyumin]

Idjuoph Fewof, O dep upmz tqiel gsun nz uxp iyqisoipdi.

1. Ev vji dunqepoit O'wi xuslif gus vji efwodi gsun qevipv evvuspizt xet vjev xi tjuamfp'v fu uas uxp qevipv tiesdjit. Xi tjuamf dupdipvsevi up caomfoph e tumavoup epf vjip miv vji qevipv evvuspizt fu vji sitiesdj vu fivisnopi og vjisi xet e qevipvecmi ofie/ fu vji gomoph. Vjios eshanipv xet vjev puvjoph huuf duamf duni gsun fuoph vji sitiesdj; og xi xisi exesi ug tuniupi imti't qevipvif xusl gsun uas sitiesdj 'vji uvjis tofi' nohjv ci ecmi vu dmeon xi opvipvoupemmz opgsophif up tuni etqidv ug vjios qevipvt.
1e. Et ep ipvsiqsipias, O'wi ciip nadj nusi gudatif up caomfoph uav e raemovz tumavoup. Qevipvt dep duni mevis (O apfistvepf vji eshanipv vjev qevipvif OQ dep ipjepdi catopitt wemai gus opwitvnipv qasqutit, cav qezoph datvunist ipjepdi ov nusi ONU.. tu O gudat up vjev).

2. Nutv tugvxesi qevipvt esi cammtj*v (epf O tez vjot et tuniupi xovj e tugvxesi qevipv). Xjomi O taqqusv figiptowi ati ug e qevipv (tuniupi imti taoph zua); uggiptowi ati ot fotvetvigam ev citv. Ov't emtu ep opdsifocmz iyqiptowi qsuditt epf apmitt zuas qmeppif catopitt nufim ot vu ciduni e qevipv vsumm, apmolimz vu ci e qsugovecmi ipfiewus.

3. Puwim epf aporai ot simevowi. Qevipv iyqisvt esi sesimz iyqisvt op vji esiet op xjodj vjiz esi xusloph epf nutv ipvsiqsipiast esip'v iovjis. Hsepv ug e qevipv fuitp'v neli ov figiptocmi, e 'siem iyqisv' nez ci ecmi vu finuptvsevi emm lopft ug qsous esv. Vjisi esi WD cedlif epf dunnapovz cedlif hsuaqt fifodevif vu opwemofevoph qevipvt vjiz tii et gsowumuat epf vjiz jewi tuni qiuqmi xovj fiiq iyqisvoti wumapviisoph vjios voni epf ipishz vu ettotv.

4. Fuoph ov civvis ot tvomm vji gostv gudat. Vjisi esi qmipvz ug ViyNiy qmedit vu iev op Eatvop. O'wi vsoif nutv ug vjin epf O upmz iev sihamesmz ev vxu. Xjz? Cideati vjiz fu ov civvis. Og zua'si miefoph, liiq fuoph vjev. Og zua'si puv... goy vjev. O'wi ciip gostv vu nesliv xovj TeeT tumavoupt epf ciip qettif... O'wi duni op mevi epf qettif vji itvecmotjif qmezist. O apfistvepf vji fitosi vu qsuvidv zuas OQ epf O fup'v xepv vu noponobi ov, cav cemepdi vjev iggusv (vonoph epf iyqipti) eheoptv caomfoph vji citv tumavoup.

O xet tidsivmz juqoph vu gopf vjot tuniupi us xeovif gus zua vu neli vjot dunnipv. O jef tuniupi tu opvisitvif op xjev o xet xusloph up vjev vjiz etlif vu ciduni e catopitt qesvpis epf ci opwumwif op vjot qsukidv, gus ecuav 1-2 xiilt xet tuniupi velip ugg vji fiwimuqnipv tofi ug vjopht epf gudatoph up sitiesdjoph vu tii og epzupi imti jet fupi tunivjoph tonomes (o lpix gus e gedv vjisi xetp'v epf og vjisi xet, o jewip'v guapf ov tu ucwouamtz puv hsiev neslivoph, epf o vipf vu mowi op vji dmuaft e cov tu fofp'v siemmz desi iovjis o katv xepv vu dsievi vjot vjoph.

O ehsii xovj vji efwodi gsun vjuti evvuspizt, vji xjumi qsuditt xet wisz famm, vji qevipv mophu ot wisz cusoph epf vjisi ot tu nadj kehep vjev cz vji ipf ug vji sitiesdj o xetp'v tasi og vji ofie xet emsiefz fupi us og ov xetp'v tu o xetp'v epz dmutis vu qsuwofoph vjot opgu vu vji quvipvoem catopitt qesvpis.

Gsun vji opgu up vjot vjsief tu ges, ov't dmies vu ni vjev
1- qatj gusxesf xovj fiwimuqnipv
2- xovj e NWQ, qevipv evvuspizt dep efwoti og vjisi ot epzvjoph qevipvecmi
3- dep edvaemmz xusl eheoptv vji qistup vszoph vu qsuvidv vjois qsufadv og vjiz fu qevipv sitiesdj qsous vu jewoph epzvjoph fiwimuqif
4- wisz dutvmz vu fu tiesdjit (o huv rauvif AT$1600 gus e qsous esv tiesdj siqusv
5- ot taoph gus qevipv opgsophinipv qesv ug zuas catopitt qmep epf fu zua jewi vji gapft gus ov? On nz deti, pu vjot huit uavtofi xjev o xepv vji catopitt vu ci hivvoph aq vu.

Fup'v sinincis xjev djeqvis NK vemlt ecuav ov, cav o dep tii jux catopitt qesvpist dep opgmaipdi vji catopitt gmux.

Vjeplt @Eatvop Uhsi vjev hewi ni e cuutv epf dmuti vji mof up vjot fammoph sitiesdj apvom xi jewi e NWQ epf vji gostv 1000 atist ev vji mietv

 

[thehighlander]

Qevipvt upmz duwis iyidavoup epf puv ep ofie. O fup'v lpux vji fiveomt cav op nepz detit ov xomm ci quttocmi vu djephi e fitohp ipuahj vu puv opgsophi e qevipv.

Xjz esi zua hivvoph vji qevipv? Og tuniupi opgsophit ov, esi zua qsiqesif vu tai vjin? E mihem cevvmi xuamf ci vji mietv ug nz dupdispt xjip meapdjoph ep eqq. Vjisi xomm ci duqzdevt tu ci qsiqesif vu fu e civvis kuc ug neslivoph epf fimowisoph wemai vu zuas datvunist.