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I was strongly considering paying some money for the help, but if you look at any of the webistes listed in this thread (apart from the YT video with the dropbox package), they are all well-crafted sales funnels. The structure is:<br />
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1. Lead magnet - free content (articles) to make you more informed on the subject. The message? You can do it yourself, but look at all these complicated aspects of the patenting procedure! It's a real head ache! You're a newb! But you're also amitious, with a hint of perfectionism and a desire to have the formal aspects of my application seem impeccable. Sure would be nice to have someone helping you with this...<br />
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2. Buy in - luckily for you, we know our stuff, and we've prepared a no-nonsense package to help you get this done properly yourself. It's also a tiered offer, so you can get some limited consulting at higher price points, or just unload the burden and pay us to do it for you. You'll be in good hands - did we mention we teach this stuff at XYZ university, in addition to making a living from it?<br />
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3. Back-end, or the real deal - after you file the provisional with our help, who are you more likely to turn to when it turns out you want the patent several months down the line? Some other attorney, or the one who's already helped you? The one who knows you and your invention vs the one who doesn't? The one with whom you've done business before and everything went without a hitch, or some other guy?<br />
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This is clever and appeals to a strongly motivated need. To be clear, I don't fault any of this. In fact, I believe that people should be doing this type of marketing more. Look at how authoritative the attorney running ipwatchdogs seems after you become acquainted with his articles. That's how you should appear to your target market.<br />
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But, look at it this way. These attorneys' aim isn't to sell you a $100 or $200 package to help you file a provisional application. They didn't go to law school with the idea of making peanuts online. In reality, they are screening potential leads. They are making you raise your hand first, seeing how serious you are later with an offer for a small, but not insignifact sum (they could easily offer their help for $50, but that would be too non-commital). This all helps tremendously when the customer is considering paying for the target product/service, which is preparing and filing a utility patent. <br />
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Consider what's a more successful approach: this, or a webpage saying: "Experienced patent attorney $300/h, usually $10000 for your patent filed and accepted"? They want to sell a big ticket item, but they smartly recognize that trying to do so straight off the bat would be a waste of time (though at least one in the above links had the option available, just in case, which is a smart move also). They know that large customers/companies already have lawyers, or work with recommended lawyers. So the people for whom >$10000 is not a big deal they already know, or know they can't get them because they go to super expensive firms as a rule anyway. These attorneys want startups, solo entrepreneurs, hopeful licencess... Not grizzled vets.<br />
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All of the above led me to the decision to do it myself. I was unwilling to pay for a package which would take even more of my time but still require me to do all the work, and frankly, in my current situation, I was unable to justify the expense of having them do it for me "properly". I approve of their marketing and sales, but I wasn't interested in giving my cash to yet another lawyer. Remember, I had already paid a hefty sum for a patent search, which took the firm I hired a grand total of 3 hours. I just took the closest inventions that were approved by the USPTO as a frame of reference for my own application. Time will tell whether I screwed up or not. I took a calculated risk, which by now I'm quite accustomed to doing anyway.<br />
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PS. Hannes, you thanked me for the same dropbox link which you posted above, lol! I didn't know how to quote you, so I just copy-pasted it into my post. I just wanted people to know that it was legit, sorry for the confusion, I didn't actually add anything here <img src="/community/imgs/emoticons/em-smile2.png" class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" data-shortname=":)" />
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</blockquote>haha [emoji23]. OK wondered about all the pages I already know and its all about the filing process.. <br />
anyways thanks so much for your in depth reply as it states exactly what I was feeling over the last days writing with them. but as I read several parents from similar prior art and even the Steven Key (The One Idea) is filing his patents on his own I will also give it a try. this is especially about a forward investment where you don't know exactly how everything turns out right after publishing it. so as I realize that the core function of a PPA and the option of a micro entity is exactly to enable an inventor to file this on his own for publication purposes and the option for better feedback without any claim loss, I will file it also on my own. as I'm rereading each portion (abstract, description etc) from every patent carefully you get more and more a clue how to craft it that it is broad enough. and even if you are specific you would have claims and would be the entitled to use patent pending. and above all you file it and get going with your ideas, learn a lot while executing and use this knowledge and hopefully gained revenue to build on it with your next ideas,as this Steven key mentions today it's rather all about first to market and establishing a unique brand selling well designed quality products. keep u updated! back to text work! <br />
BTW. as you filed what is your idea [emoji362]? <br />
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