OnlyFans has just proven how important the commandment of Control is

[Not Most People]

Restaurants are going to suddenly have a new pool of available waitresses

 

[Fox]

While the memes are funny around this I don't expect anything to actually change.

These guys made 5 Billion so far and have kept 20% of that - they aren't going to quit that easy.

They just got some heat from a few different things and are pretending to be tightening things up.

I would bet in 2-3 months it's still the same thing making around just as much or more.

 

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[GreasyGinger]

A lot of woman are about to see their stellar incomes goto zero

 

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[MJ DeMarco]

Write a book based on fundamental realities and the truth will prove you right... year after year...

 

[MitchC]

just saw this and thought it was relevant to this thread, even a billion dollar brand is not immune to the commandment

 

[Fox]

 

[Itizn]

wow thats very interesting

but lmao @ the "digital chadvertising" username

 

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[Richard Peck]

BIG opportunity for someone to move into that space.

Very interesting to see them doing this. Maybe they've ran the numbers on a "premium instagram" type service for "genuine" content creators? Hard to imagine they'd cut off their nose to spite their face.

Also interesting they did not adopt a "crypto" payment mechanism. Would have been a prime opportunity to develop some sort of processing system to handle it.

For those using OF as a source of income, simping won't go away. Feminine beauty is highly valued and that demand will eventually find its way somewhere else.

A wily entrepreneur would create a "crypto-only" OnlyFans equivalent, probably using that NFT hype train as a means to give creators the opportunity to sell their nudes via the blockchain. Getting mass adoption for that would make the creator a multi-billionaire.

Update It looks like Internet pornographers Andrew + Tristan Tate have been doing just that - https://www.thecoingirls.com

To make the above successful, they need to get 100's of unique girls onto it. The guys at StasyQ would be a great collab. I'll explain why that's important below.

Nothing will change, the content creator girls will just find another sidewalk to show off their tatas

Whilst true, this depends.

The big deal with OnlyFans is it reached critical mass.

In the world of the web, it's vital that a company achieve adoption quickly & at scale - this cements its brand/offering as the defacto for that particular thing.

Once a company achieves this, and they execute properly, it's very difficult to dislodge them; Google, Amazon, Facebook, YouTube, Paypal still hold the lions' share of their markets despite entrenched competition.

The big "secret" with web is "new". The web's true value lies in the "long tail", which is access to hitherto undiscovered sources of value/entertainment/information/functionality.

Each time a web service explodes, it does so off the back of achieving adoption for the specific "new" thing it was built to deliver. Paypal's "email payments" is a good example; Visa, Mastercard, Worldpay etc all had the opportunity to do this, but only Paypal is trusted to deliver it.

The value of OnlyFans came as a quasi-CRM for attractive women who found a following on social media - "subscribe to my OnlyFans" was a way to funnel beta orbiters into a central place where they could drool over "explicit" photos/videos for a fee. Its basically an email marketing system for eThots.

In order for a competing service to achieve the same resonance, it needs to bring in a new wave of "content creators" who had not been discovered before. I don't know how this would look, but it needs to be a system that its users have a vested interest in; a "community" of sorts.

The coin girls thing above is not it, as it's too much of a business. It may achieve initial success, but longevity comes from its users spreading the word on the platform's behalf - which is exactly what happened with OF.

The "fastlane", especially online, is the result of exponentiality - people recommending your product/service on your behalf. Every "unicorn" became successful because of the incentive it provided its users to promote said platform - "Add me on Facebook", "Paypal me the money", "Google it", "We're listed on Amazon", "Subscribe to my OnlyFans".

I would surmise that, either, a system built around providing specific companies/agencies the opportunity to further monetize their following (such as with StasyQ or SuicideGirls), or some "uber agency" type service, whereby "creators" are provided with specific guidance/platform to help monetize their following, would likely come from it.

From my scant experience selling NextDoorNikki pictures, one thing I noticed is that a lot of the higher earning "models" tend to congregate in small groups. NDN was part of this thing PhilFlash and there are a myriad of other such "agencies". A system focused on high end/professional membership would likely be focused on that.

 

[DoingDeals]

I have to retract the previous statement Lonely Fans to Change of Plans.

 

[Aurum79]

Nothing will change, worst case scenario the content creators will move to another platform and take their audience with them.

The commandment of control doesn’t apply to the content creators, Onlyfans founders still own the cash machine and can start their own crypto and cash out without problems, all this story emerged because they are trying to raise money.

 

[WillHurtDontCare]

I guarantee you that some simps will build websites for free for those girls just so they can get back to buying nudes.

 

[Charnell]

Meanwhile, my OF course enrollments dropped off a cliff haha. Good time for a "How to Escape OF Course." I'd do it this week if I had time.

Recycle that course for AVN or any other platform.

If you can get the migration course on something like Gumroad, I'll promote it. The last time I checked becomng a Udemy affiliate was a PITA.

 

[Lex DeVille]

OnlyFans DROPS its porn ban after intense backlash from creators

OnlyFans has dropped its controversial ban on sexually explicit content in a major U-turn just a day after the company's founder blamed banks for forcing their hand.

www.dailymail.co.uk

 

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[MJ DeMarco]

Onlyfans pulled off one of the greatest marketing stunts in history.

I don't think it was.

It might got them free publicity for normies, but the people who actually use and provide content to the service just realized what a risk they are running. If they weren't aware of the Commandment of Control, they are now.

Would you want to book an airline flight if you knew beforehand there was 20% chance the plane would crash?

I'm betting a lot of OFusers feel like that right now.

 

[Speculatooor]

This is also another reason why crypto is the future

 

[Vas87]

Nothing will change, the content creator girls will just find another sidewalk to show off their tatas

 

[peddletothemetal]

Huge help for crypto.

Quite unbelievable the attitudes big established companies have been increasingly showing towards other businesses. Basically: if we, who control almost all of a given market, don't feel absolutely comfortable with what you're using our service for, for whatever reason that pops into our head, we'll just summarily shut it off, putting you and those who rely on you out of business immediately. Oh and also you have no recourse.

First they came for OnlyFans, etc.

 

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[Charnell]

BIG opportunity for someone to move into that space.

There are dozens of alternatives or similar services out there, many created by big names in the industry. AVN has AVN Stars, LiveJasmin has BimBim, the Centro folks have FanCentro, and there are already established sites like Loyalfans, IsMyGirl(& Guy), MYM, Frisk, JustForFans, Fansly, man I could keep going.

The only real opportunity is from established porn websites because they have payment processing down & thousands of models at the ready.

Also interesting they did not adopt a "crypto" payment mechanism. Would have been a prime opportunity to develop some sort of processing system to handle it.

Because doing anything with crypto is a huge pain in the a$$. Do we really expect both a buyer and selling to jump through multiple hoops for pussy pics and the GFE/BFE?

Every "unicorn" became successful because of the incentive it provided its users to promote said platform - "Add me on Facebook", "Paypal me the money", "Google it", "We're listed on Amazon", "Subscribe to my OnlyFans".

That's exactly how they ended up in their current predicament. They got so big that all eyes were on them.

 

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[Charnell]

Onlyfans pulled off one of the greatest marketing stunts in history.

Looks like the ban is off the table, but they already got millions worth of free publicity.

Ron Rule (popular guy on Quora) wrote a great summary:

Quora - A place to share knowledge and better understand the world

My take?

This is a masterclass in using the press to get free publicity, media attention and hype, and brand awareness.

I'm going to guess this will fall on deaf ears, but it's comments like this that lead people in the wrong direction.

"free publicity, media attention and hype, and brand awareness"

There is a such thing as bad publicity. This was bad publicity.

And to show you the data, this is a screenshot of the event tracking for one page on a website of mine, tracking click-thrus to different partners. I'm seeing increased traffic across the board, from people searching direct competition by name to simply "OF alternative." For reference, before the 19th, those were 100-150 clicks per day.



This is not a lesson in mArKeTiNg GeNiUs, this is a lesson in breaking whatever fragile bonds you held with the already bastardized major portion of your business. The only marketing initiatives that were boosted were the 10 other major players that saw an influx in moderate to top-earning creators migrating to their platforms and dirtbags like me who just knew it was a matter of time before shit popped off.

Imagine if MJ came out and said "hey, even though 90% of our INSIDERS talk about real estate, we no longer talk about real estate at TFF." Half of them leave, then he comes back and says "nah, JK, but look at all the articles talking about how dumb of an idea that was! Now all these people who have no business knowing about the forum know that I'll turn my back on my audience."

It's hard to tell if these marketing gurus are clowns or the whole circus.

 

[Guest-5ty5s4]

I'm going to guess this will fall on deaf ears, but it's comments like this that lead people in the wrong direction.

"free publicity, media attention and hype, and brand awareness"

There is a such thing as bad publicity. This was bad publicity.

And to show you the data, this is a screenshot of the event tracking for one page on a website of mine, tracking click-thrus to different partners. I'm seeing increased traffic across the board, from people searching direct competition by name to simply "OF alternative." For reference, before the 19th, those were 100-150 clicks per day.

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This is not a lesson in mArKeTiNg GeNiUs, this is a lesson in breaking whatever fragile bonds you held with the already bastardized major portion of your business. The only marketing initiatives that were boosted were the 10 other major players that saw an influx in moderate to top-earning creators migrating to their platforms and dirtbags like me who just knew it was a matter of time before shit popped off.

Imagine if MJ came out and said "hey, even though 90% of our INSIDERS talk about real estate, we no longer talk about real estate at TFF." Half of them leave, then he comes back and says "nah, JK, but look at all the articles talking about how dumb of an idea that was! Now all these people who have no business knowing about the forum know that I'll turn my back on my audience."

It's hard to tell if these marketing gurus are clowns or the whole circus.

this is a really goofy take.

It makes zero sense.

"OnlyFans alternative" still increased brand awareness of "OnlyFans," and now that it is staying, an alternative is not needed.

I think you just want to complain. By the way, nobody you replied to is a "marketing guru."

 

[Antifragile]

@Charnell - I agree with one thing you said, yes “this will fall on deaf ears”.

If you want to debate the strategy, kindly post the numbers for the number of people who didn’t know OF existed and now do. What was the conversion rate etc? As far as content creators, it’s like saying “I googled YouTube alternative and so I won‘t watch YouTube”, creators will flock to where they make the most.

 

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[Lex DeVille]

an alternative is not needed.

This is true if the assumption is that creators don't have other reasons to leave. But they do. The average OF creator only earns like $50/mo to a few thousand if they're lucky, and OF is extremely restrictive about what they allow creators to share which means creators can't share the kind of content that often generates six-figure followings or more. Even if they start out sharing that content and building a following, they eventually have to leave because OF catches onto what they are doing and starts removing their content. OF has been pushing its own creators away for some time with restrictions, rules, and poor service in general.

Increasing brand awareness might drive new consumers to the platform. I'm not sure how valuable that is though, because OF doesn't promote adult models at all and there is virtually no way to discover models of any particular genre unless you came from the model's other social media channels. Without knowing a model's username most people who show up on OF don't have a clue what to do when they get there. In fact, they won't even know that they can sign up as anything but a model.

This is OF's homepage:



OF needs models, but the average OF model earns almost nothing. So the bet is that OF is going to gain enough SUPER models (meaning they bring massive audiences already) through this stunt because that's who they make the most money from. According to the sites that show up at the top of Google, the top 10% of accounts generate 73% of OF profits. I don't know if those are adult accounts or not, but if they are adult accounts, and they just got threatened with having all of their adult content removed, and they are earning millions from their content, then to me, the risk/reward of doing this as a publicity stunt doesn't seem to make sense. It also doesn't seem to make sense for any super (adult) models to bring their huge audience to OF when they could go somewhere more adult-friendly where less instances of poor customer service, and platform problems have been reported, with less content restrictions.

I could be wrong, but I just don't see the value in creating a feeling of instability in this market for a bit of PR when OF has become a household name. My dad knew what OF was before he found out I was modeling there...

Models bring their own audience. They can take them anywhere else they want, including platforms that don't have a reputation for flip-flopping about whether or not they are going to ban you at the drop of a hat.

I moved all of my content off of OF as soon as I realized how deep-seated their problems were and haven't returned since. My wife has slowly transitioned her fans (in the six-figure range) out and away from OF as well, and soon there will be a point when she finishes and moves away completely.

While I don't know what choices everyone else will make, I know what choices we made, and those choices were made before this stunt or whatever you want to call it happened. The reality of OF was there all along. This only supported that decision for us.

 

[DonnieBrasco]

OnlyFans says it will no longer ban porn in stunning U-turn after user backlash

OnlyFans says it received "assurances" from its banking partners that will allow the platform to continue allowing sexually explicit content.

www.cnbc.com

It was all a marketing stunt, they got houndreds of millions worth of advertising for free, very smart move.

 

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[Lex DeVille]

The hardest part tbh. What's your plan here? Some sort of USD/EURO front-end powered by crypto on the backend?

Everyone keeps saying how a crypto-powered subscription site will change the game...but when it takes 45 minutes for a first time user to learn where to go to set up a wallet, convert their dinero, and this has to go for both parties involved...well, they forget that the people on these sites are trying to rub one out, not become crypto experts.

Are you already in the adult industry? Do you have connections that can serve as ambassadors for your platform? Are you a part of any communities like Xbiz? Do you have the means to compete with the big dawgs? Or are you another of those "businessmen" trying to enter the market with a copy of a copy?

I ask because if you're serious about it, you should reach out when it's close to being completed. Before Aug 19 I was sending 100-200 models per day to sites like these. After the announcement, it's between 1800-2000 per day.

Meanwhile, my OF course enrollments dropped off a cliff haha. Good time for a "How to Escape OF Course." I'd do it this week if I had time.

 

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[Lex DeVille]

OnlyFans DROPS its porn ban after intense backlash from creators

OnlyFans has dropped its controversial ban on sexually explicit content in a major U-turn just a day after the company's founder blamed banks for forcing their hand.

www.dailymail.co.uk

Personally, I think they should've stuck with it.

Looks even worse to flip flop like this.

The site already had a shit reputation in how they manage the business side of things.

To me, this is just the beast showing its true face - how unreliable and unstable they are.

Good publicity, but this will affect creator decisions going forward.

 

[Lex DeVille]

People keep saying this, but I don’t see how that makes sense
You really think a mass amount of “fans” will go through thr troublr of buying crypto just to stay a patron to a girl? That’s not logical IMO

That's not what he said, nor what he implied.

 

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[Madame Peccato]

Never underestimate the power of thirsty F*ckboys. Or...their lust.

 

[Guest-5ty5s4]

Onlyfans pulled off one of the greatest marketing stunts in history.

Looks like the ban is off the table, but they already got millions worth of free publicity.

Ron Rule (popular guy on Quora) wrote a great summary:

Quora - A place to share knowledge and better understand the world

My take?

This is a masterclass in using the press to get free publicity, media attention and hype, and brand awareness.

 

[Antifragile]

Onlyfans pulled off one of the greatest marketing stunts in history.

Looks like the ban is off the table, but they already got millions worth of free publicity.

Ron Rule (popular guy on Quora) wrote a great summary:

Quora - A place to share knowledge and better understand the world

My take?

This is a masterclass in using the press to get free publicity, media attention and hype, and brand awareness.

I wish I could give more than one kudos. When I read they were back to doing business as usual, I thought “brilliant marketing, just brilliant”.

 

[DonnieBrasco]

Who were they advertising to exactly?

Every major news outlet reoported about it, memes went viral and everyone spoke about it = guerilla marketing