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I tried using fiverr before, but the competition was insane, my offer was invisible in this crowd, starting off there probably takes ages..

Using it as a tripwire is interesting, I will try it again.

I need traffic/visibility/crowd, I was thinking about sharing some cool video/article/tutorial on reddit/fb groups - related to design/branding, and after topic gets hot and attracts people - throw in link to my website,
Bullshit. You gave it all of five minutes, I'm ready to bet a testicle on it.
That's what this thread is about. You going from one thing to the next with the grit of a teddy bear.

I still keep my Fiverr gig. I make all the money I need to live from it and more (twice the minimum wage in my country). In less than 6 hours a week of work.
The rest is devoted to my real businesses which can take years to pay off and I don't give a shit, because I'm covered by that measly freelance work. I stopped doing "real" freelance work, which paid handsomely, because I don't want to exchange time for money.
You're from Poland. Minimum wage is 410€. Making this from US customers is a joke.

Grow some balls. Choose one single thing and make it work for you. No excuses.
You're broke. You don't need "traffic/visibility/crowd". You need the pocket cash to seriously put yourself to work.
Learn to walk before you run.

Full disclosure: I might be slightly drunk right now, middle-afternoon. So what. I'm giving you facts, no sugar on top. Make of it what you will.
 
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Here are my thoughts.

People will see that you actually care about your business!
Big entreprises know the power of social network and they all already have good looking fanpages to gain more trust from their customers.

This sounds very negative and borderline demeaning. I think this is just from English being your second language. "People will see that you actually care about your business!" That is the main issue, "actually care" kinda says "it looks like shit, and people think you dont care". And then you say "Big Enterprises" which says "hey you're small because you dont know the power of social networking" they are not terrible but it could put the customers off.

Heres what I would write:

Hi, my name is Rafael I am a graphic designer currently living in Poland.

Being a HUGE pizza fan I follow TONS of American (and Italian) pizzerias on facebook. (you could add more about American pizza if youve ever been here to experience it)

Since I follow so many Pizzerias, I have seen a lot of pizza fan pages and have seen some really cool ways they are marketing their pizzerias. I recently stumbled upon yours, after looking over the page I think I have picked up on a few things that you can do to get more engagement from your fans and increase your "likes".

First is a cool cover photo trick that's all the rage right now, its a cool way to make your fanpage look more "2014." Some companies are using their Facebook cover photo to seamlessly transition between their profile picture and the actual cover picture (I've attached an example). It really looks slick, and is a great way to show off a picture of one of your pizzas!

Another marketing trick I have noticed is using viral images to draw shares and get more page likes. This type of image is always shared a ton, from following so many pages I picked up on a lot of the things they do and made a few myself and think they would fit in great with your audience.

If you are interested, I would love to make you a new cover photo for $20.00. I can use your own pizza images and add your logo like the attached example.

Or if you would like a few more images so you can rotate them, for $50.00, I could make you 5 new cover photos, and I'll also send you the 5 custom viral images I mentioned above.

1 New Seamless Cover Photo/Profile Picture Combo = $20.00
5 New Combos and 5 Viral Images = $50.00

If you would just like additional advice on how to make your page better feel free to email me back and I'll try and help you the best I can.

P.S. The examples are attached to this email, check them out and let me know if you would like me to make you something similar.

with regards

- Rafael


So, its a little longer than I would like and it could definitely be better but I think its a good start. Maybe someone else can come behind and add to it and make it even better.

At the beginning you mention loving pizza to connect with the reader and give a context to why you are contacting them. You also say you follow a ton of pizzerias to establish yourself as an authority figure. You follow a ton of them so you MUST know what works and what youre talking about.

Obviously if this isnt true you need to make it true. You need to go follow all the pizzerias and find those 5 viral images that you can make. Just find random pages and see what their most popular posts are. The recreate something even better.

Hope you find this helpful

EDIT: The pricing is intentionally done so that people would be crazy to just buy the $20.00 image. looking at the option thats what you want the customer to feel. hopefully you make even more $50.00 sales from this.
 
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damn! i need to grow some balls myself andmake thingshappen

value i found from the fb group cult of copy by Brett Smith

How I made over $2500 per month on Fiverr selling copy:
Hey guys, I've had a few people asking me about how I have been selling copywriting services on Fiverr.
While I am working to move away from Fiverr, on to bigger projects, for those of you who need a foot in the door, Fiverr is a great way to start, so...
Here’s how I launched my “Fiverr Career”
When I first signed up for Fiverr, I used my best copywriting skills to create my gig.
I told everyone that I would:
“write them 500 words of proven, high power sales copy in 24 hours for $5”
In my gig description, I told them about how you need a salesman who can write, not just a writer, and not to fall for those other guys posing as copywriters. I did my best to sell them on copywriting and on me.
I did over FIFTY 500-word projects for $5 apiece (minus Fiverr’s 20% cut) in under 20 days. It was pretty much all I did during that time. (and, at the time, I had neither a computer or wifi at my apartment, so I would go to my parents business in the middle of the night to use the computer and wifi there.)
I was so broke, I was just excited to be getting some money to pay rent, I didn’t even think about how laborious this was - and it was my first time actually making money on the internet, so I was stoked.
As I leveled up in Fiverr, and I got the option to charge more for my gigs, I just kept upping my prices. I kept lowering the word count, and increasing the price. And as expected, I got less orders, and higher pay. My overall pay kept going up each month even with the decrease in quantity.
By the fourth month I made over $2500 in a single month for the first time at anything ever in my life.
How I avoid $5 orders now:
I say in bold letters toward the end of the gig description: $5 GIG IS FOR 25 WORDS ONLY. ORDER GIG EXTRAS FOR MORE WORDS.
And in my gig extras, I say something like:
Add 200 words to the above - $50
Add Headlines, Subheads, and Formatting - $20
Research your product or service - $20
Deliver extra fast, only 3 days - $20
people can order multiples of each “extra”, so if someone wants 1000 words, they order the 200 word extra 5 times, for a total of $255. Then they add on research, and formatting , and now it’s up to $295
And that’s how I did the Fiverr thing.
Good Luck!
 
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Update, since trying to make that $50 - I made $105 ... The problem is I made it in 4 months. I'm so goddamn lazy.

I know I can make money online, but I still have problems with:

1. Being lazy
2. Choosing a product to sell (its usually not something you buy everyday, ex. Logo design - you get one for 10 years, I need a service/product that is like Milk, just online)
3. Traffic but If i had money that woudnt be an issue

What worked:

- getting stuff done instead of doing nothing
- getting native speaker to write copy for you (my English is not too good, customers dont buy if description is just gibberish)
- advertising on relevant fb groups
- even when you do something for free, and your work is just so good, other person will pay you (wow some people actually are nice!)
- ... Again, as long as you try, as long as you do something with clear purpose, you will make money. If you dont do on the other hand.. What you expect something to fall from the sky? (sometimes it does but its rare so dont rely on it)
 
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But all things I sell - are not mine - Im just a middleman, I had "success" with Gigbucks (fiverr alternative) but I made there $15 in a month - 3 orders for $5
Stop being a middleman if you don't provide added value.
I was designing fb covers - 3 of them for 5 bucks took me 1h so I got pissed (1h for $5? I made more spamming back then, thus my "traffic logic" :) ) and deleted my offer.
Why? Your time is worth nothing.
How long it took you to get the ball rolling on fiverr? You had to promote it somehow because "post offer and sit back" didnt worked out
No, never promoted anything. I tried different offers, then deleted all the ones that didn't take any traction. I did some jobs for a low price, delighted my clients, racked in the good reviews, and raised my prices. Now I don't do anything under $50 - and that gets you less than an hour. Currently I have a biggish project for a repeated client - $300, and more than $1000 adding up all the work I did for him.
The key - I'm delivering value. I offer one skill and they pay for it.
and IF I finally could reach 400Eur (online, like you) ... I would be rich, life = won
Nah, man. It's just one step. You can get much, much more. But. You have to work for it.
 

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@rogen Join some of the facebook groups for Private Label Amazon Sellers and market your logo/design stuff there. There are always people asking for recommendations. If you provide value I am sure you will get some raving fans.
 

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I was trying fiverr but its not too much profitable, Fiverr taking a cut, holding your money, thats just ..

The goal of this was to get money AS fast as I could, straight to my PayPal account, without waiting ridiculous month for just 50 bucks..
Dude, fiverr is among the top100 websites on Alexa rank US.
What this means is a lot of competition, but also a lot of people willing to spend their bucks on your gigs.
I know that Fiverr won't make you rich (while there are some fiverr veterans that will prove me wrong anytime), but it's definitely a fantastic way to get started.
First of all, they picklocked the secret formula to getting people to spend $$$ online : the upsell.
If you've bought services on Fiverr you will know that pretty much anytime you use it, you will end up spending more than just five dollar (specially if you need something customized).

Second, you can look at Fiverr as a way to selling the by-products of your business. I don't know what your skills are and if you have any income at all right now coming from anything, but I'm pretty sure that anything that you sell online can be repackaged to be sold on Fiverr.
Fiverr definitely has its learning curve, try looking into WSOs to build a checklist to follow to build up your fiverr income (I've been dabbling with the idea of working on Fiverr too for the last month. If you self publish anything, you definitely have to try it out instead of the Amazon/Kindle platform).

Also, I see pretty much two kinds of people on fiverr (on the service provider side) :
- those that are offering a product (sometimes a private labled product too) or something that can be re-sold hundreds of times and simply requires the press of a button to be delivered. Some of these sellers are definitely making a killing. Based on customer reviews (wich don't really give you the whole picture), it's not too difficult to find a few of these accounts that are making more than 100k a year through fiverr.
This is a great example : https://www.fiverr.com/crorkservice
- those that really get good at something (like making logos) because their trade require them do so and eventually they end up selling on fiverr to get some nice recurring cash. Fiverr was initially thought for this kind of people.

The great thing about fiverr, compared to other platform isthat it gives the chance to anybody to get started (upwork and other platform will require a bit more effort to get started and start bidding on projects) and it's structured as a social platform (so this means direct relationship with your customer base, while you don't really own the traffic, so you really need to find a way to redirect your traffic to your email, but this will definitely break the Fiverr TOS).
 
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So, Today I wanted to make 30-50 bucks solely online. Im selling service, which is creation of facebook cover images for your business fanpage. I will deliver 5 of these in different styles, so you can pick the one you like or you can change them when you need a new look..

What I did:

- Emailed 10 small businesses (pizza shops with bad facebook covers)
- Called no one, because I didnt knew who to call, coudnt find owners number there was only number for pizza order

What should I do next? Where do I find someone who is willing to pay RIGHT NOW and get the stuff today?

Bonus: if you land me a client for $50, you will get $20. PM me.

As seamless suggested, you could try Fiverr.

You could also offer your service on popular freelance sites like elance or odesk, or even sign up to different internet marketing forums and sell your services to marketers.

There's always online marketers in need of graphics work for their campaigns.
 

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Stop doing random bullshit. You apparently have some skills (logos, fb covers, instagram fakes).
Join Fiverr and sell the stuff there. Walk before you run.
+1 to that.

Fiverr is easy, do that. There's also TaskRabbit. There's Elance, Upwork, Freelancer.com - There are facebook groups with people asking for gigs.

It's not difficult to find money, it takes very little hustle to find and do. This is a plan that works, so execute it DILIGENTLY and the money will come.
 
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Ok, you got me hyped as f man,
I'm going to mash fiverr until money starts rolling, from what I can see people sell ridiculous things there, but I also see a lot of useful and easy tasks I can do myself, I googled a bit and I also found some tactics how to get fiverr ball rolling quicker (buying your own gigs, not sure if this works in 2015 but anyways)

Ok I'm sticking to fiverr if you can make min.wage and more there, I can do it too. Thanks a lot!
 
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Update:

Fiverr works. Kind of.
I made $25 total last week (2 orders)

And since then things are quiet. I'm constantly adding new gigs - deleting these with low views/impressions, updating photos (I've noticed this gives views boost) etc. Will do video today for gig with completed orders.

I feel like I'm not doing enough, 1 order per week is nothing, I need at least 1 per day.

My goal is $300 this month, I would be so happy to earn $50 a week, I hate updating gigs and sitting on my a$$ waiting for orders, I think I will spam my offer today on fb groups for better effect maybe.

last minute update: I just found out my application for medical school was rejected. Fuc*.
 
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You made $105 in 14 months?
Best thread of the decade, hands down.
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Stop doing random bullshit. You apparently have some skills (logos, fb covers, instagram fakes).
Join Fiverr and sell the stuff there. Walk before you run.
 

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Make sure the copy for your gigs is well written. It needs to be grammatically correct. Use your keywords in the description, but make sure it looks professional. You're competing with a lot of kids. Your writing should make it clear that you're an adult doing professional work.

Now before you point out that you're working for only $5, so you shouldn't need to put in that much effort just know that I agree with you. I wouldn't use fiverr, but I have a full time job to cover my expenses while my business grows. I shouldn't say I wouldn't use it. I meant I wouldn't sell my time there.
 

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More specifically?
Have you tried yourself or can tell us more about it?
It doesn't sound like a bad idea.

I've seen audio transcription services online and I thought about reselling it too as a recurring service for a monthly fee (I'm talking about a jotted down idea, tho :D ).
I also thought I'd have to go through the whole process of doing some transcription myself but never really looked into it farther than searching google for the prices of transcription services : guessing that the actual workers are paid peanuts, it seemed to me like there has to be a decent margin to justify a higher cost of acquisition, hence a higher ad spending (isn't it why we all want healthy margins? :D ).

So little time and so many ideas to pick from! :D

I've only used Rev, and depending on your level (which is based on your quality of transcriptions and commitment level) you can make anywhere from US $0.40 to $1.00 per transcribed minute. There is almost always work available (no need to apply, you can just grab jobs). If you focused just on this you could probably make around $30-$50 a day, but it is a job with deadlines and requires real focus and attention to details. It will take you a lot longer than you think in the beginning to transcribe a minute.
 

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Going back to non-fiverr, how many businesses have you directly contacted?

Fiverr is great, I did quite well on it for a while, the only reason my sales declined was I went onto more profitable things. A friend of mine developed a full-time income from it in less than 1 month (And I'm in the US) and all he did was voiceovers and minimal animations. If he can do it ,starting with virtually nothing , anyone can do it. The difference between him and you was that for the first month he spent 12+ hours marketing his fiverr page and working on getting better, developing samples and the like to show his product.

Selling stuff is all about the pitch - Showing why something you offer has value. As a business owner, who would be stupid enough to NOT spend $10 for a new facebook logo if they were shown multiple pieces of information showing that it would provide $1,000 worth of new revenue? I know sure as heck my Facebook logo has generated several times that.
 
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So, Today I wanted to make 30-50 bucks solely online. Im selling service, which is creation of facebook cover images for your business fanpage. I will deliver 5 of these in different styles, so you can pick the one you like or you can change them when you need a new look..

What I did:

- Emailed 10 small businesses (pizza shops with bad facebook covers)
- Called no one, because I didnt knew who to call, coudnt find owners number there was only number for pizza order

What should I do next? Where do I find someone who is willing to pay RIGHT NOW and get the stuff today?

Bonus: if you land me a client for $50, you will get $20. PM me.
 
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Do you have any examples of the quality of work you would do?

Because when I see an offer like this I usually weigh the option of getting 10 fiver covers done, or one of yours.
 

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As mentioned by others, I highly recommend that you try fiverr and freelance type of websites,
also depending on location, you can try Craigslist the- (Creative service)section part. Post up ads to offer
quick creative service with facebook covers.
 

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I was trying fiverr but its not too much profitable, Fiverr taking a cut, holding your money, thats just ..

The goal of this was to get money AS fast as I could, straight to my PayPal account, without waiting ridiculous month for just 50 bucks..
 
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Hey, post the email you are sending, we can probably make it better. Also send more than 10, 10 is just a start, send out to tons of different types of businesses, this shouldn't stop at just pizza shops.

Lots of opportunities to make this work for you but its a game of averages, send a personalized and well thought out email to 100 businesses and I have no doubt you will convert some. BTW add in some of the pointers I said yesterday about ways to provide the business even more value.
 

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Here we go, here is one of my emails:

Hi, my name is Rafael Im a graphic designer from Poland
I've seen fanpage of your business, and I've noticed it needs some improvement - https://www.facebook.com/AriaPizzeria

To make your fanpage look more "2014" I would create for you a great facebook cover with seamless transition between profile picture and the actual cover picture It would look more appealing to the visitors and It would make your brand look bigger, better and more professional :) People will see that you actually care about your business!

Big entreprises know the power of social network and they all already have good looking fanpages to gain more trust from their customers.

Here's an example in the attachment. It was made for a pizzeria in DC.

Tell me what you think, would you like to get similar design?


with regards

- Rafael


Yeah, my English isnt too good, but I was able to land some clients in my previous "ventures"
 

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Wow, Im speechless, THANKS A LOT, its GREAT
I could never write something like this without spending hours on it.. Thanks

Im off to finding pizzerias and sending emails
 

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