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Mkandre

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I was wondering about it recently and that's right... I really encorauge you all to do it. If you read what nobody reads AKA TMF, Unscripted, Business Secrets from the Bible and Many others you'll definitely know what many others won't and it all starts on thinking, if you think differently you'll get different results. For example, I was reading the book Business Secrets from The Bible and the author was explaning about the difference between gaining money and earning money. If you think about gaining money it doesn't sound right. It sounds like one entity is " GAINING " and the other one is " Losing" and it's not how it should work. Is it right if your client lose? Answer: Probably Not!
The right word to use should be to earn money and it means doing something valuable and being greatly rewarded for it in the form of inner gratification, money, happiness and charity.
Some of you may not know, but in some languages there's not a clear distinction between earning and gaining money and it leads inevitably to mistakes. That's one of the reason, for example, that Spanish Countries and Latin American Countries struggle to prosper. The roots of this evil is on the language. For me, Despite having no equivalent word to "Earning Money" in Portuguese that translates the same meaning as English does, I have fortunately learned the word Earning Money and it's good to know it. In Portuguese we only have " Ganhar Dinheiro " and in Spanish it's " Ganar Dinero " and these words would translate to both gaining money and earning money, however without making any distinction about its nuances. Those languages leads its users to mistake while thinking about making money.
 

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That's one of the reason, for example, that Spanish Countries and Latin American Countries struggle to prosper.
Hah! That's pretty interesting. In Hungarian we commonly only use one expression for making money "pénzt keresni" which means to look for money. It is the same, though, we associate making money with it so it's not like anyone stops to think about the root of the expression.

But now that you brought it up, it does have a very SCRIPTED ring to it (like it's a privilege to be able to have a job or something) and that might just affect people on the subconscious level. I mean, very similar to Latin American people, us Hungarians have always been one broke-a$$ bunch, lol.
 
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Hah! That's pretty interesting. In Hungarian we commonly only use one expression for making money "pénzt keresni" which means to look for money. It is the same, though, we associate making money with it so it's not like anyone stops to think about the root of the expression.

But now that you brought it up, it does have a very SCRIPTED ring to it (like it's a privilege to be able to have a job or something) and that might just affect people on the subconscious level. I mean, very similar to Latin American people, us Hungarians have always been one broke-a$$ bunch, lol.
Exactly! I've also had to learn the word "Earning Money" because in Portuguese the equivalent word is pretty scripted as well. It leads to misunderstanding and it makes you look for money without understanding its deep roots.


In Portuguese, we say ganhar dinheiro. Dinheiro means Money and Ganhar means either Winning or Earning, therefore it makes no clear distinction.

Winning Money would be when you go to a casino and you won some money while playing at it. Somebody had to lose their money and you won it. It's definitely not ideal.

Earning Money would be like you paint a wall for somebody and they pay you 50 bucks. What actually happened is you've been rewarded 50 bucks for doing an excellent job that this person liked and he appreciated it. The two parties are happy and they enjoyed the benefits the job has brought.

English Speakers have a clear advantage at it because they naturally understand the difference subconsciously. The author is Hebrew and He said in Hebrew they have a word only for earning and observe the financial consequences it's brought to his people.
 
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Some of you may not know, but in some languages there's not a clear distinction between earning and gaining money and it leads inevitably to mistakes. That's one of the reason, for example, that Spanish Countries and Latin American Countries struggle to prosper. The roots of this evil is on the language.
Despite having no equivalent word to "Earning Money" in Portuguese that translates the same meaning as English does, I have fortunately learned the word Earning Money and it's good to know it.
In Portuguese we only have " Ganhar Dinheiro " and in Spanish it's " Ganar Dinero " and these words would translate to both gaining money and earning money, however without making any distinction about its nuances. Those languages leads its users to mistake while thinking about making money.
If that's the case, how do you explain the historic wealth, power, culture & civilisation of Portugal, Spain, Argentina, Mexico & many other Spanish/Portuguese speaking regions & nations?

Whilst language does define perception insofar as abstract conceptualisation, it doesn't prevent the existence of reality itself.

In other words, just because a term doesn't exist in a particular language doesn't mean the users of that language are somehow excluded or at a disadvantage.
Different languages express the same concepts differently.

What would we call a telephone if we didn't use the Greek words distance & sound?

What about a smartphone? A painful sound?


In Hungarian we commonly only use one expression for making money "pénzt keresni" which means to look for money. It is the same, though, we associate making money with it so it's not like anyone stops to think about the root of the expression.
Chinese also say "look for money"
English Speakers have a clear advantage at it because they naturally understand the difference subconsciously.
Then why does Great Britain have the lowest standard of living in Europe?

Ganhar means either Winning or Earning
Win the business
Win the lottery
You could earn the business, could you earn the lottery?

Anyway
You're right there are some hidden gems that have fallen from favour.
How about:
Read Books That Nobody Reads Anymore?
 
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If that's the case, how do you explain the historic wealth, power, culture & civilisation of Portugal, Spain, Argentina, Mexico & many other Spanish/Portuguese speaking regions & nations?

Whilst language does define perception insofar as abstract conceptualisation, it doesn't prevent the existence of reality itself.

In other words, just because a term doesn't exist in a particular language doesn't mean the users of that language are somehow excluded or at a disadvantage.
Different languages express the same concepts differently.

What would we call a telephone if we didn't use the Greek words distance & sound?

What about a smartphone? A painful sound?



Chinese also say "look for money"

Then why does Great Britain have the lowest standard of living in Europe?


Win the business
Win the lottery
You could earn the business, could you earn the lottery?

Anyway
You're right there are some hidden gems that have fallen from favour.
How about:
Read Books That Nobody Reads Anymore?
I got your point. I'm modest enough to acknowledge that language isn't the most important factor but it certainly plays a role in how you think. I agree that the Spanish and The Portuguese both were a great empire, but do you know that both Portugal and Spain are in a deep economic crisis since what?... a long time!
Now, google it up and see if the UK, US, or Isreal are in a deep economic crisis.

Why in Europe do most countries fall behind the UK and Germany?

Since our thinking happens through some language and the thinking is the start of any action, it's more than obvious that English and German have a better predisposition to success.
 
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I agree that the Spanish and The Portuguese both were a great empire, but do you know that both Portugal and Spain are in a deep economic crisis since what?... a long time!
Now, google it up and see if the UK, US, or Isreal are in a deep economic crisis.

Why in Europe do most countries fall behind the UK and Germany?
In this global world with internet in our pockets, there's no reason for your country to define your financial situation anymore, so I wouldn't worry about such things. There are rich people in poor countries and poor people in rich countries. As long as you're not completely castrated by your nation's laws (think North Korea) you're free to take control over your future.

I think this whole language difference topic that you brought up is very interesting, but I'll also have to agree with Odysseus: your parents' attitude towards money probably had more impact on your thinking than how you say making money in your native language.

Have you read MJ's books?
 
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In this global world with internet in our pockets, there's no reason for your country to define your financial situation anymore, so I wouldn't worry about such things. There are rich people in poor countries and poor people in rich countries. As long as you're not completely castrated by your nation's laws (think North Korea) you're free to take control over your future.

I think this whole language difference topic that you brought up is very interesting, but I'll also have to agree with Odysseus: your parents' attitude towards money probably had more impact on your thinking than how you say making money in your native language.

Have you read MJ's books?
I have!

Yeah I agree with you all, the language stuff probably has some impact because it's part of the country and the people's culture but it's certainly not the thing that impacts the most.
 

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