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Late Bloomer's touchy-feely exploration of feelings and actions

Discussion in 'Hustles, Freelancing, Bootstrapping' started by Late Bloomer, Apr 17, 2018.

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    "I have strong talent, knowledge, and experience in communications and in technology."

    Use them to identify an unsolved problem within one or both of those industries, then set about solving it, and you'll do fine.
     
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    What's your background?
     
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    Summarized in the second part of my introduction thread here: Late Bloomer's intro
     
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    Edited (2018-04-20) to remove something that is currently out of reach... leaving in the immediately relevant part.

    Meanwhile, I'm learning how to hustle for some immediate freelancing. I've done a little of this before, but it's a big mindset shift for someone with a corporate background. I'm working on that shift!
     
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    Edited (2018-04-20) to remove the clutter here and delete some other posts of mine. If the purpose of this thread is to document what I successfully did to move forward, discussing in detail the times I was derailed and went in circles does not serve that purpose.
     
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    Cmon man I signed up to upwork on my phone before going to work one morning
    Its not hard
     
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    Hi Chris,

    I am not sure if your post is tongue in the cheek?

    You say you're broke then buy a box of pens? Also, in the action fake thread one of the things listed is buying pens instead of doing actual work.

    Then, there was a guy named Lordphenny who used to list his shopping trips also as work he got done. Are you taking a stab at that?

    How long did it take you type out that reply, while you could have registered on upwork and fiverr?

    I'm pretty sure your post is tongue in the cheek and sarcastic though.
     
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    I am actually concerned about how many long and detailed posts Late Bloomer is writing on this forum.
    Wondering if we have a action faker here?
     
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    I only have TWO spare pens in my drawer right now lol.

    One pen lasts for a F*cking long time, if used well.
    A box of 30 pens can last for six months or more.

    On Upwork, the approval is not the problem or the hard part. It's the actual structuring of the first emails to potential clients. The first emails take the LONGEST in the beginning because you are studying the client's background and his freelancers who worked with him so that you know what they need, and how to communicate it to them.

    Then there's the exchange of correspondence, sample work, feedback and everything...and THAT is what takes time. By then though, you would be up to something!
     
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    Edited: deleting clutter

    I also realized that because of my concerns about the freelance gig platforms, I should split my time immediately between them and Fox's method to directly approach web design clients, who can provide me a check immediately without any third party intermediary platform in the way.
     
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    Dude, you're not buying a house - you're signing up to Upwork.

    You spent an entire day buying pens.

    You spent today writing out these long waffley responses,

    Is it any suprise you're broke?
     
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    You're completely over thinking this.
    Set ONE goal for the day and EXECUTE that, then move onto the next thing.

    GOAL 1: Create your upwork profile.
    GOAL 2: Draft a pitch email you're going to send to potential clients.
    GOAL 3: Send out that pitch to potential clients and wait for their response.

    And so on and so forth.

    Just focus on the one thing each day and you'll make progress.

    And don't write a really long reply to this ;)

    Good luck.
     
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    If you're so concerned with the terms of Upwork, which are really there to protect them; not to screw you (remember, they get paid when you get paid), just go post ads on Craigslist for freelance gigs, or send cold e-mails, or cold calls, or... anything. Just do something.
     
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    Thanks. I got Fiverr figured out today and I think I'll get Upwork figured out with peace of mind tomorrow.

    24 hour commitments:

    1. Be at least 50% through the current transcription assignment for my current client.
    2. Post seven ready to buy gigs on Fiverr inside my profile there.
    3. Register for Upwork and send three pitch letters, if I can find three projects I am absolutely certain I could turn around within a day for at least $50 each.

    Logging off the forum for tonight, see y'all tomorrow.
     
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    I came back on briefly tonight to respectfully request that you delete this needlessly argumentative, confrontational, disrespectful, and negatively assumptive comment of yours.

    I explained that I was able to pay my own way in life through more than two decades of corporate work.

    I explained that I withdrew from the full time corporate work force in order to be an unpaid but necessary full time cancer caregiver.

    I explained that at first I was able to continue to do some consulting projects, in the few thousand dollar range, but as my beloved's medical situation deteriorated I didn't see how to continue with that work and also to be present to help her. She was the one who had found the clients, and some of the work was done by us together.

    I explained that after her sudden death, I was diagnosed with cancer myself, and it took a year and half for treatment that included surgery and chemotherapy.

    I explained that all this was financially devastating as well as a personal and medical catastrophe. I explained that my doc told me that it was purely random bad luck that I was also a cancer patient.

    Since that time, I had a part-time job. But I needed to leave that job as there was a toxic part of it that was too hazardous to my health.

    Also, I have recently done some consulting in the thousand dollar range, but haven't succeeded at sustaining enough marketing and sales of these projects for three reasons.

    1. As I explained, I had an emotional issue going back to my not uncommon reaction to childhood abuse. I worked through it. I was then introspective, open, and honest enough to share a psychologically deep essay about this, in hopes it might help others who face a similar emotional block.

    2. I didn't have a Fastlane mindset because of not yet having read what MJ has to say.

    3. I didn't have specific Fastlane techniques and skills. In particular, the freelance gig sites became available while I was out of the workforce for medical reasons, and I hadn't seen explanations of how to use them well until I discovered this forum.

    Those are the actual reasons for my current poverty.

    I had one day in which I was invited to have a long lunch to catch up, and then go on a shopping trip, at someone else's agenda. During that day out, I happened to get a good price on office supplies. I did not set out to waste a day with trivia. I was introspective and honestly self-deprecating enough to recognize that in business terms, it nevertheless was a wasted day.

    I pointed out that Upwork's terms are longer and more complex than the terms for buying a house.

    My writing here is limited to one to two hours in the evening.

    I may well be mistaken in some of what I say here. But I consistently say it with dignity and respect, assuming good faith and positive intentions on the part of my fellow forum members.

    I deserve nothing less in return.

    I don't mind being told I'm mistaken about the specifics of business success.

    I have already acknowledged that a shift to a more productive mindset is an ongoing endeavor for me.

    But I do object very strongly to snarky attacks on my character, based on disrespectfully invented falsehoods about the very real medical and logistical issues that have led to my current situation.
     
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    Signed up for Fiverr and Upwork today.

    I went through my photo archive to select what I thought were the most appropriate profile shots for Fiverr and Upwork. Airbrushed out the shaving cut in what was otherwise a good picture.

    I thought that between Fiverr and Upwork, Fiverr would be easier to sign up with because of its more structured format. I thought I could have an immediate success with that and feel good about it, then go on to Upwork.

    Fiverr signup hangs with the Palemoon browser, which is my favorite for reasons I can discuss another time. Fiverr signup does work with Firefox, but only if a full screen, extremely slow playing video runs in the background behind the sign-up screen. This makes it run very, very slowly throughout the registration process, while adding no value to the user.

    I signed up to join Fiverr as a seller. I made custom graphics for my profile pic and the pic for my first gig. I put in my profile information and the information for my first gig. I had already written what I wanted to say, but getting that text into the site turned out to be the time consuming part, as several of the data entry fields have a very limited character count and do not clearly show text as you enter it. I have the information ready for additional gigs but:

    To keep work and personal life separate, I had already got a Google Voice number for everything work related. I put in my Google Voice number when prompted for verification in order to publish the first gig. I saw that I entered it perfectly. Got an error message "there is a problem with this number" (that's all it said, with no opportunity to learn anything more) and told I must wait 48 hours to be able to verify my account and publish my first gig. There was absolutely no warning that Google Voice might not work and no explanation of why it didn't. Gvox never rang and there's no email of the forwarded sms either.

    So, I now have the additional adminstrative task of searching for whether anyone else has had trouble signing up for Fiverr using Google Voice, and if so, what is the work-around?

    It looks therefore that I will be able to complete my Fiverr registration on Monday afternoon, assuming that I can learn by then what I have to do to have Fiverr phone number verification work with Google Voice.

    On to Upwork.

    I then went on to sign up for Upwork, and got the error message about the site being down for maintenance, with no hint at all of when it might be back up. Clicked on the Status page which showed everything is up. Went back to the home page, refreshed and it came up. From then on, registration process worked fine with Palemoon.

    "We noticed you’re using a gmail.com address. Would you like to use your work email instead?" No.

    To the person who criticized me because you easy-breezy completed your profile by phone while doing something else: Do you also have over 30 years of paid, volunteer, educational, and life experience that needs to be selected, prioritized, and summarized to make a professional profile? If you really do, and you could consolidate all of that into a powerful, successful profile while standing in line for your turn to buy some Diet Coke and Doritos, then my hat's truly off to you... AND, you have a very lucrative career as a resume writer in front of you. Oh, got another client, I can capture all their info and crank out a professional profile for them before I get up front to buy my stamps! Quite frankly I don't see how it would be possible to write and enter a high quality profile to this site, in a few distracted minutes on a phone.

    Request for phone verification hung while facebook.com was loading in the background. Kept saying "phone number must be digits" when I tried one combination after another of digits alone, parentheses around the area code, dashes between area code and number, etc. Why is Upwork loading Facebook code?? Copied the URL, killed the browser, relaunched the browser, pasted in the URL again, this time I could put in my phone number.

    Verification with Google Voice went flawlessly, GVox forwarded the sms to my email as I'd asked and I was immediately able to enter the code for confirmation.

    I was told I will be contacted in 24 hours as to whether my profile was approved, so I should learn about that on Sunday afternoon.

    I'm behind on the transcription but the client had said he wants it by the end of the weekend, not today, so I can use tomorrow to catch up on that.

    I need to identify ways to have portfolio content and payment options, for prospective clients that I find on my own.
     
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    Haven't heard back yet from either Fiverr (I wasn't expecting that today) or Upwork (logged on, status pending).

    Close to done with this weekend's Slowlane money making transcription project. All the text is typed in, I need to proofread, format, and delivery. That won't take long.

    Realized exactly what my questions are that I need to answer, for my next steps this year.
     
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    You need to develop a thicker skin, this forum isn't about touchy feely pats on the back, and handing out participation medals. It is about getting advice from people who are at various stages of their business development.

    It is about finding out the most effective ways to boost your income and create a fastlane business. The comment you point to, is pointing out that you are documenting a lot of time wasting and action faking.

    Even if you are an ex-president of the United States, you should be able to fill in a basic Fiverr/Upwork profile in a morning, it should not take days.

    If you go through the various posts here, especially by @SinisterLex you will see your Fiverr/Upwork profile has very little to do with the work you get/don't get on those sites. It is about your approach to potential clients, it is about your answers to job posts, there are countless posts on this forum which demonstrate that the person who considers their approach and refines that, will gain advantage over the most 'impressive' profiles on the internet.

    Tough love coming in 3 .. 2...

    You are action faking, you spend your days doing the digital equivalent of navel gazing, if you continue along this path you will stay in the slow lane. The only way to shake your inactivity, is to face up to it and be honest with yourself about how much of your actions are actually effecting your bottom line.

    If you post another long-winded diatribe about how you went to lunch and used photoshop and blah, blah, blah, I very much doubt you will get any meaningful responses that will help you in your quest to join the fastlane.

    The kind of progress you should be posting is:

    1. Identified n problems today

    2. Sent out n emails, used x responses, will monitor which ones work.

    3. Put y plan into action to increase income.

    Then eventually

    4. Got first gig, seemed to be because of response C, will formulate more emails around that response to see if I can generate some more gigs.

    Filling in a profile, using photoshop, sending an email, or stopping your entire day because of an insignificant website glitch is NOT progress.

    Tough love over.

    Good luck, I hope you find lots to do today.
     
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    Chop, chop. How many gigs did you land today? How many clients did you contact? What other platforms could get you in front of clients?
     
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    I am willing to discuss my specific action steps with people who have themselves succeeded at those steps. I am willing to get review of my plans from people who have themselves succeeded at comparable goals. I am willing to get advice about additional marketing platforms from those who are successfully using them.

    Offering that advice is NOT made more powerful, more meaningful, wiser, more effective, or more mature, by neglecting the most basic adult humane expressions of kindness and respect.

    When emotionally mature, socially responsible adults learn that someone is widowed, they respond with, "I'm sorry for your loss," not "I refuse to give a touchy-feely pat on the back."

    My dislike at getting that insulting response to the fact of my greatest loss and grief in life, doesn't show that I need thicker skin.

    When emotionally mature, socially responsible adults learn that someone is a cancer survivor, they respond with, "I'm sorry to learn that, I hope your health will fully recover," not "you are seeking participation medals that it's my job to give or to withhold."

    The whole "participation medal" thing, anyway, came into society only with a generation mostly born long after I was already out of college. It is not part of my experience in any way.

    As I said in another thread, throughout my first 25 years of life I got far more abuse and neglect for being imperfect, than appreciation for my even trying, let alone for my successes along the way. It is not motivating to tell someone who was consistently abused and neglected, within their family of origin, for being imperfect, that they deserve even more hostility now from strangers, for their sin of being imperfect. That is not valid, wise, effectively targeted psychological counsel and guidance.

    Wise, effective counsel, just as any kind of marketing or sales or leadership approach, recognizes and adapts to the one who is the target of the guidance or the attempt to influence. Spewing negativity about what one imagines and invents in one's own mind about someone else's flaws and sins, is not a demonstration of advanced emotional maturity and psychological effectiveness.

    My dislike at that insulting, presumptive, arrogantly patronizing dismissal of me, also doesn't show that I need thicker skin.

    When emotionally mature, socially astute adults learn that what they invented and supposed about what someone else's inner life is flat out wrong, they say, "I'm sorry I made a presumptive assumption that was wrong," not, "your only right is to shut up and let me explain yourself to you."

    When emotionally mature, socially responsible adults see a concern about how someone seems to have misused ONE day, they ASK, "is this a typical day? Am I on the right track with what I decided to guess, assume, suppose, invent, and speculate about you?" BEFORE they ASSUME their own ASSUMPTIONS are correct, and then IMAGINE those assumptions are facts that authorize them to criticize the character and motivation of someone they don't even know.

    In my personal journey I was very fortunate to work with doctors, counselors, social workers, and ministers who have professional training and many years of experience at identifying emotional or psychological issues, and at effectively guiding people through those issues.

    They did not diagnose a stranger and give prescriptions, based on what they chose to make up inside their own imagination.

    Based on their actual professional guidance sessions with me, they consistently complimented my depth of psychological awareness, my commitment to personal growth, my willingness to take constructive next steps. I am not making up self-aggrandizing bullshit here. This really is a strength of mine, that's been objectively confirmed by people with a valid professional credential to have an opinion that matters.

    They had no reason to bullshit me about this. I flat out asked them, and they specifically said that I was to admired, based on their professional opinion, at what I was doing to rebuild my life after a depth of hell that many people don't experience.

    One of them had nearly weekly appointments with my late sweetheart and then with me for a year, before I learned that his cancer and hospice counseling was only his side job. His main job was providing psychological assessments that are valid in court. When we were alone I flat out asked him what he saw as my issues to deal with, and he flat out told me, "Chris, I see NO reason to diagnose you with any psychological issue. You don't have any condition in the DSM. You are simply someone who has had to deal with a hell of a lot of loss and grief to work through."

    I do not have any reason at all to believe that some strangers on the Internet are more wise and profound in psychology and counseling than the professionals I worked with. If any of you who condemn do have a psychology license, then you would know that it's professional malpractice to even attempt to diagnose someone without an appointment conducted according to ethical standards.

    I have a talent at quickly writing about my experiences in depth, including the feelings and attitudes involved. I've been complimented on using this talent online by many people, and I've been complimented on using this talent in person by many people, who had no reason or benefit for bullshitting me, going back many decades. Far from being a problem to solve and an issue to shut down, it is going to be the cornerstone of my new career.

    Many emotionally mature, socially responsible adults consider it valid and valuable, to respectfully consider the emotional and psychological aspects of how other people feel, when they give advice. This is actually something important and meaningful, if one wishes to have a lasting, positive effect on another person.

    I have a total of three threads I created on this site - this one and two others - where I consider and reflect on my own feelings and attitudes. Nobody is obligated to read them. I also created a very pragmatic thread about online marketing and have some more of those topics I expect to add, with just the objective facts about some technology and business things I directly know well.

    In one thread from someone else - the one about someone else's experience with death in the family - I gave a heartfelt comment.

    I've responded to dozens of other threads with purely factual, pragmatic comments focused on specific next steps. So, that's a very small percentage of my participation here that includes anything on the emotional/psychological side. Emotions and psychology matter, which is why MJ discussed them so much in his books. I will not accept that the rule of these forums is that my own emotions and psychology must never be dealt with respectfully here, and that insulting negative assumptions about others are standard protocol, unless I get that guidance directly from MJ.

    Total time today dealing with this topic: around 20 minutes.

    If you want to invent a lot of bullshit about how spending a few minutes on emotional honesty is a waste of time... that's not my fault, and it doesn't show anything broken about me that you need, or have any right, to condemn or to fix.

    You are welcome to say, "I think the report you gave about your time shows you're not as efficient as if, instead, you had done this." I will respond to such positively framed, helpful ideas.

    You are not welcome to say, "I'm the judge of your emotions and qualified to be your shrink, and if you don't like my psychobabble bullshit about you, that proves you're broken." I may not be able to prevent it from being said (although the terms do include, "VC specifically prohibits any use of the website... and users agree not to use the website ... for posting any incomplete, false or inaccurate information, or ... to place on the website any material that is false, defamatory, abusive, harassing or hateful.") But I can prevent such bad behavior, showing disrespect and bad faith, from getting an undeserved respectful answer. I will have no further response here to such insulting, disrespectful negativity.
     
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    Hey Late Bloomer,

    Do you have any measurable goals or targets set?

    Such as:
    • How much you want to make a month?
    • How many clients you want to close per month?
    • The price you'd like to charge per website?
    • If you'd like to make X amount of $ by X date?
    I ask because it's easy to get bogged down in things like signing up for bidding sites and chasing after $50 bids. But is it really the best use of your time?

    When you couldn't sign up for UpWork, did you ring any local businesses in the mean time? Have you pitched to anyone today? If not, why not?

    People will be stoked to read your posts if you have something to report like, "I rang 10 local businesses today, offering to do their site for $100, 2 are interested and I'm following up tomorrow".

    That's taking action, that's worthy of respect.

    But buying pens and telling us what browser is your favourite is not a good use of your time or our time. That's why you are getting negative replies. People don't dislike you, they just dislike what you're sharing.
     
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    Roli Gold Contributor Read Millionaire Fastlane I've Read UNSCRIPTED Speedway Pass

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    ^^^^^^^
    this.

    end thread.
     
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    Who changed the thread title to that? :rofl::rofl::rofl:
     
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