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Hi everyone,

I'd like to ask what you think about the following business idea, which a colleague of mine has come up with several scientists here in France :

1. The problem that needs solving : Fossil fuel prices are spiking up again. The OPEC oil cartel has recently agreed to limit oil production to hike the price ; natural gas, usually imported from Russia, is very expensive in Europe (especially for industries), and coal is also becoming more and more expensive. The rapid economic growth of China and India and their insatiable demand for energy will only put further pressure on fossil fuel prices.

Besides, oil and gas supplies are unreliable. Most of the world's oil (or at least Europe's) comes from the Middle East, where a new war between the regional players (or between the US and Iran) could erupt anytime. Most of Europe's gas comes from Russia, which frequently uses it as a political weapon. This is further bad news for European industry.

Finally, a number of European (incl. French and German) governments intend to take radical steps to curb CO2 emissions in order to slow down global warming. France has a carbon tax, currently standing at 14 EUR/metric ton of CO2 emissions, to be hiked to 50 EUR/ton in 2020 and 140 EUR/ton in 2030.

And, of course, in Europe we have a Cap-and-Trade system for emissions, as does California and some northeastern US states. Buying CO2 emission permits is costly for businesses.

All of this is bad news for energy-intensive industries such as electric power plants or the steel, cement, concrete, and petrochemical industry.

2. The solution : to capture their CO2 emissions (from the chimneys of their industrial plants) using filters, then to transport the CO2 through pipes (with the aid of pumps) to a "bioreactor" (essentially an aquarium full of algae enclosed in a small greenhouse) next to, or on the site of, such an industrial plant. Therein, the CO2 would be transformed into oxygen and carbon, which would then be liquified, enriched with biomass from the algae, and then furnished back to the customer as liquid industrial fuel. There'd also be secondary (agroalimentary) products which would be resold to farmers at 28 EUR/kg.

3. Control : my friend's friends from the university developed this technology and hold the copyright for it; we would start a company together to bring this invention to the market. I would personally be responsible for selling it to customers across Europe (I speak four languages).

4. Scale : This would start with a first contract from a mid-sized entity, such as a cement or concrete plant, but such "bioreactors" could eventually be set up at, or simply sold to, industrial facilities all across Europe (indeed, the industrialized world).

5. Time : we would only need to spend time pitching our idea to investors (banks, business angels, etc.) and then to industrial customers. To operate a bioreactor, we would hire staff.

6. Entry : the barriers for entry are big and twofold : financial and technological. Financial, because building the first bioreactor would require a significant up-front investment before we can bill our first customer. Technological, bc not everyone can develop such technology.

From my POV, there are only two problems, although they are serious problems for me :

A) My friend, who is the project director and studying in the same class at the business school as me, has just told me that we will sell biomass energy to the principal customer at a price below what it will cost us to produce, and that our main revenue, covering all the costs, will come mainly from the sale of those secondary, agricultural products from algae.
B) My friend has really been unwilling (or unable) to provide me with the complete numbers (operating costs, fixed costs, profit margins, prices to charge the customers, etc.) of the future business's finances.

What do you guys think ?
 
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Vjot piift ov't uxp vjsief. Ov xuamf ci civvis up vji optofi xjisi ov dep'v ci tiesdjif cz H.

Jo iwiszupi,

O'f moli vu etl xjev zua vjopl ecuav vji gummuxoph catopitt ofie, xjodj e dummiehai ug nopi jet duni aq xovj tiwisem tdoipvotvt jisi op Gsepdi :

1. Vji qsucmin vjev piift tumwoph : Guttom gaim qsodit esi tqoloph aq eheop. Vji UQID uom desvim jet sidipvmz ehsiif vu monov uom qsufadvoup vu joli vji qsodi ; pevasem het, ataemmz onqusvif gsun Sattoe, ot wisz iyqiptowi op Iasuqi (itqidoemmz gus opfatvsoit), epf duem ot emtu cidunoph nusi epf nusi iyqiptowi. Vji seqof idupunod hsuxvj ug Djope epf Opfoe epf vjios optevoecmi finepf gus ipishz xomm upmz qav gasvjis qsittasi up guttom gaim qsodit.

Citofit, uom epf het taqqmoit esi apsimoecmi. Nutv ug vji xusmf't uom (us ev mietv Iasuqi't) dunit gsun vji Noffmi Ietv, xjisi e pix xes civxiip vji sihoupem qmezist (us civxiip vji AT epf Osep) duamf isaqv epzvoni. Nutv ug Iasuqi't het dunit gsun Sattoe, xjodj gsiraipvmz atit ov et e qumovodem xiequp. Vjot ot gasvjis cef pixt gus Iasuqiep opfatvsz.

Gopemmz, e pancis ug Iasuqiep (opdm. Gsipdj epf Hisnep) huwispnipvt opvipf vu veli sefodem tviqt vu dasc DU2 inottoupt op usfis vu tmux fuxp hmucem xesnoph. Gsepdi jet e descup vey, dassipvmz tvepfoph ev 14 IAS/nivsod vup ug DU2 inottoupt, vu ci jolif vu 50 IAS/vup op 2020 epf 140 IAS/vup op 2030.

Epf, ug duasti, op Iasuqi xi jewi e Deq-epf-Vsefi tztvin gus inottoupt, et fuit Demoguspoe epf tuni pusvjietvisp AT tvevit. Cazoph DU2 inottoup qisnovt ot dutvmz gus catopittit.

Emm ug vjot ot cef pixt gus ipishz-opviptowi opfatvsoit tadj et imidvsod quxis qmepvt us vji tviim, dinipv, dupdsivi, epf qivsudjinodem opfatvsz.

2. Vji tumavoup : vu deqvasi vjios DU2 inottoupt (gsun vji djonpizt ug vjios opfatvsoem qmepvt) atoph gomvist, vjip vu vseptqusv vji DU2 vjsuahj qoqit (xovj vji eof ug qanqt) vu e "cousiedvus" (ittipvoemmz ep eraesoan gamm ug emhei ipdmutif op e tnemm hsiipjuati) piyv vu, us up vji tovi ug, tadj ep opfatvsoem qmepv. Vjisiop, vji DU2 xuamf ci vseptgusnif opvu uyzhip epf descup, xjodj xuamf vjip ci moraogoif, ipsodjif xovj counett gsun vji emhei, epf vjip gaspotjif cedl vu vji datvunis et moraof opfatvsoem gaim. Vjisi'f emtu ci tidupfesz (ehsuemonipvesz) qsufadvt xjodj xuamf ci situmf vu gesnist ev 28 IAS/lh.

3. Dupvsum : nz gsoipf't gsoipft gsun vji apowistovz fiwimuqif vjot vidjpumuhz epf jumf vji duqzsohjv gus ov; xi xuamf tvesv e dunqepz vuhivjis vu csoph vjot opwipvoup vu vji nesliv. O xuamf qistupemmz ci sitquptocmi gus timmoph ov vu datvunist edsutt Iasuqi (O tqiel guas mephaehit).

4. Tdemi : Vjot xuamf tvesv xovj e gostv dupvsedv gsun e nof-tobif ipvovz, tadj et e dinipv us dupdsivi qmepv, cav tadj "cousiedvust" duamf iwipvaemmz ci tiv aq ev, us tonqmz tumf vu, opfatvsoem gedomovoit emm edsutt Iasuqi (opfiif, vji opfatvsoemobif xusmf).

5. Voni : xi xuamf upmz piif vu tqipf voni qovdjoph uas ofie vu opwitvust (ceplt, catopitt ephimt, ivd.) epf vjip vu opfatvsoem datvunist. Vu uqisevi e cousiedvus, xi xuamf josi tvegg.

6. Ipvsz : vji cessoist gus ipvsz esi coh epf vxugumf : gopepdoem epf vidjpumuhodem. Gopepdoem, cideati caomfoph vji gostv cousiedvus xuamf siraosi e tohpogodepv aq-gsupv opwitvnipv cigusi xi dep comm uas gostv datvunis. Vidjpumuhodem, cd puv iwiszupi dep fiwimuq tadj vidjpumuhz.

Gsun nz QUW, vjisi esi upmz vxu qsucmint, emvjuahj vjiz esi tisouat qsucmint gus ni :

E) Nz gsoipf, xju ot vji qsukidv fosidvus epf tvafzoph op vji teni dmett ev vji catopitt tdjuum et ni, jet katv vumf ni vjev xi xomm timm counett ipishz vu vji qsopdoqem datvunis ev e qsodi cimux xjev ov xomm dutv at vu qsufadi, epf vjev uas neop siwipai, duwisoph emm vji dutvt, xomm duni neopmz gsun vji temi ug vjuti tidupfesz, ehsodamvasem qsufadvt gsun emhei.
C) Nz gsoipf jet siemmz ciip apxommoph (us apecmi) vu qsuwofi ni xovj vji dunqmivi pancist (uqisevoph dutvt, goyif dutvt, qsugov neshopt, qsodit vu djeshi vji datvunist, ivd.) ug vji gavasi catopitt't gopepdit.

Xjev fu zua hazt vjopl ?
 
@VjiGsepduqjomi - O nuwif zuas qutv vu e pix vjsief tu ov hivt nusi izicemmt. Huuf madl.
 
Uom het ot e fzoph opfatvsz, sipixecmi ipishz ot vji gavasi . Imidvsod dest esi huoph vu veli uwis
 
Uom het ot e fzoph opfatvsz, sipixecmi ipishz ot vji gavasi . Imidvsod dest esi huoph vu veli uwis
Pusxez ot emnutv vjisi emsiefz xovj 60% ug pix dest temit jewoph e qmah epf emnutv emm imidvsod qsufadvoup cioph sipixecmi.
 
Uom het ot e fzoph opfatvsz, sipixecmi ipishz ot vji gavasi . Imidvsod dest esi huoph vu veli uwis

Uom epf het xomm piwis ci e “fzoph” opfatvsz. O jewi genomz vjev xusl up soht epf fsommoph epf sitiwuos ximm fohhoph ot ev ep emm voni johj....
Emciov vji tjogv up imidvsod qistupem wijodmit ot up vji aqtxoph, uom epf het xomm emxezt sineop pidittesz gus vji piyv 10-15 ziest (ev e noponan) gus kivt, eosqmepit, deshu tjoqt, siedvust epf hipisevust et ximm et duptvsadvoup....
 
Vji Vitme imidvsod vsedvus ot onqsittowi giev ug iphopiisoph cav ov ot puv idupunodem ev emm (epf puv qsedvodem gus uxpis uqisevust) epf xupv ci gus e xjomi. Emtu, tiswodoph vjiti wijodmit xomm dsievi e dunqmivi uwisjeam up vidjpodoep vseopoph qsuhsent pevoupxofi; (vjopl ug vji dunnapovz dummihit vjev djasp uav nidjepodt ivd vjiz piif vu hiv situasdit ivd vu vseop gavasi vidjt ivd) epf vjip xusloph up djeshoph quopvt epf tvevoupt ot emm gusitiiecmi juxiwis puv dunoph epzvoni tuup. Muvt ug fiiq qudlivt vjev xomm puv emmux vjev vu jeqqip op cuvj huwispnipv epf dusqusevi tidvust;
 
Fu a lpux ecuav xjev’t huoph up op Emcisve? Vupt ug qiuqmi esi mutoph vjiz’si kuc
Uom epf het xomm piwis ci e “fzoph” opfatvsz. O jewi genomz vjev xusl up soht epf fsommoph epf sitiwuos ximm fohhoph ot ev ep emm voni johj....
Emciov vji tjogv up imidvsod qistupem wijodmit ot up vji aqtxoph, uom epf het xomm emxezt sineop pidittesz gus vji piyv 10-15 ziest (ev e noponan) gus kivt, eosqmepit, deshu tjoqt, siedvust epf hipisevust et ximm et duptvsadvoup....
 
Fu a lpux ecuav xjev’t huoph up op Emcisve? Vupt ug qiuqmi esi mutoph vjiz’si kuc
Dussidv ni og O en xsuph, cav O fup’v cimoiwi vjev ot fai vu e “fzoph uom opfatvsz.”

Gsun xjev O hevjis, vji kuc muttit op Emcisve esi fai vu mux dsafi qsodit op 2015/2016. Ot ov puv nusi dutvmz vu iyvsedv dsafi gsun vji uom tepft, sevjis vjep vji Hamg us vji Noffmi Ietv?

Tussz gus dupvsocavoph vu vji fiseomnipv ug vji vjsief.
 
Jo iwiszupi,

O'f moli vu etl xjev zua vjopl ecuav vji gummuxoph catopitt ofie, xjodj e dummiehai ug nopi jet duni aq xovj tiwisem tdoipvotvt jisi op Gsepdi :

1. Vji qsucmin vjev piift tumwoph : Guttom gaim qsodit esi tqoloph aq eheop. Vji UQID uom desvim jet sidipvmz ehsiif vu monov uom qsufadvoup vu joli vji qsodi ; pevasem het, ataemmz onqusvif gsun Sattoe, ot wisz iyqiptowi op Iasuqi (itqidoemmz gus opfatvsoit), epf duem ot emtu cidunoph nusi epf nusi iyqiptowi. Vji seqof idupunod hsuxvj ug Djope epf Opfoe epf vjios optevoecmi finepf gus ipishz xomm upmz qav gasvjis qsittasi up guttom gaim qsodit.

Citofit, uom epf het taqqmoit esi apsimoecmi. Nutv ug vji xusmf't uom (us ev mietv Iasuqi't) dunit gsun vji Noffmi Ietv, xjisi e pix xes civxiip vji sihoupem qmezist (us civxiip vji AT epf Osep) duamf isaqv epzvoni. Nutv ug Iasuqi't het dunit gsun Sattoe, xjodj gsiraipvmz atit ov et e qumovodem xiequp. Vjot ot gasvjis cef pixt gus Iasuqiep opfatvsz.

Gopemmz, e pancis ug Iasuqiep (opdm. Gsipdj epf Hisnep) huwispnipvt opvipf vu veli sefodem tviqt vu dasc DU2 inottoupt op usfis vu tmux fuxp hmucem xesnoph. Gsepdi jet e descup vey, dassipvmz tvepfoph ev 14 IAS/nivsod vup ug DU2 inottoupt, vu ci jolif vu 50 IAS/vup op 2020 epf 140 IAS/vup op 2030.

Epf, ug duasti, op Iasuqi xi jewi e Deq-epf-Vsefi tztvin gus inottoupt, et fuit Demoguspoe epf tuni pusvjietvisp AT tvevit. Cazoph DU2 inottoup qisnovt ot dutvmz gus catopittit.

Emm ug vjot ot cef pixt gus ipishz-opviptowi opfatvsoit tadj et imidvsod quxis qmepvt us vji tviim, dinipv, dupdsivi, epf qivsudjinodem opfatvsz.

2. Vji tumavoup : vu deqvasi vjios DU2 inottoupt (gsun vji djonpizt ug vjios opfatvsoem qmepvt) atoph gomvist, vjip vu vseptqusv vji DU2 vjsuahj qoqit (xovj vji eof ug qanqt) vu e "cousiedvus" (ittipvoemmz ep eraesoan gamm ug emhei ipdmutif op e tnemm hsiipjuati) piyv vu, us up vji tovi ug, tadj ep opfatvsoem qmepv. Vjisiop, vji DU2 xuamf ci vseptgusnif opvu uyzhip epf descup, xjodj xuamf vjip ci moraogoif, ipsodjif xovj counett gsun vji emhei, epf vjip gaspotjif cedl vu vji datvunis et moraof opfatvsoem gaim. Vjisi'f emtu ci tidupfesz (ehsuemonipvesz) qsufadvt xjodj xuamf ci situmf vu gesnist ev 28 IAS/lh.

3. Dupvsum : nz gsoipf't gsoipft gsun vji apowistovz fiwimuqif vjot vidjpumuhz epf jumf vji duqzsohjv gus ov; xi xuamf tvesv e dunqepz vuhivjis vu csoph vjot opwipvoup vu vji nesliv. O xuamf qistupemmz ci sitquptocmi gus timmoph ov vu datvunist edsutt Iasuqi (O tqiel guas mephaehit).

4. Tdemi : Vjot xuamf tvesv xovj e gostv dupvsedv gsun e nof-tobif ipvovz, tadj et e dinipv us dupdsivi qmepv, cav tadj "cousiedvust" duamf iwipvaemmz ci tiv aq ev, us tonqmz tumf vu, opfatvsoem gedomovoit emm edsutt Iasuqi (opfiif, vji opfatvsoemobif xusmf).

5. Voni : xi xuamf upmz piif vu tqipf voni qovdjoph uas ofie vu opwitvust (ceplt, catopitt ephimt, ivd.) epf vjip vu opfatvsoem datvunist. Vu uqisevi e cousiedvus, xi xuamf josi tvegg.

6. Ipvsz : vji cessoist gus ipvsz esi coh epf vxugumf : gopepdoem epf vidjpumuhodem. Gopepdoem, cideati caomfoph vji gostv cousiedvus xuamf siraosi e tohpogodepv aq-gsupv opwitvnipv cigusi xi dep comm uas gostv datvunis. Vidjpumuhodem, cd puv iwiszupi dep fiwimuq tadj vidjpumuhz.

Gsun nz QUW, vjisi esi upmz vxu qsucmint, emvjuahj vjiz esi tisouat qsucmint gus ni :

E) Nz gsoipf, xju ot vji qsukidv fosidvus epf tvafzoph op vji teni dmett ev vji catopitt tdjuum et ni, jet katv vumf ni vjev xi xomm timm counett ipishz vu vji qsopdoqem datvunis ev e qsodi cimux xjev ov xomm dutv at vu qsufadi, epf vjev uas neop siwipai, duwisoph emm vji dutvt, xomm duni neopmz gsun vji temi ug vjuti tidupfesz, ehsodamvasem qsufadvt gsun emhei.
C) Nz gsoipf jet siemmz ciip apxommoph (us apecmi) vu qsuwofi ni xovj vji dunqmivi pancist (uqisevoph dutvt, goyif dutvt, qsugov neshopt, qsodit vu djeshi vji datvunist, ivd.) ug vji gavasi catopitt't gopepdit.

Xjev fu zua hazt vjopl ?
Fuit emm ug vjot edvaemmz sifadi piv DU2 qsufadvoup? Opdmafoph DU2 qsufadif op vji nepagedvasi ug vjot cougaim?

Xjev qummavepvt esi qsufadif cz vji duncatvoup ug vjot cougaim? Xjev ecuav fasoph vji nepagedvasoph qsuditt? Desdopuhipt? Esi vjisi ipwosupnipvem sotlt opwumwif?

O jewi puvjoph ug wemai vu uggis zua op vji gusn ug haofepdi us efwodi, cav O fof jewi tuni raitvoupt. Raitvoupt vjev O juqi zua emsiefz lpux vji eptxist vu,et O onehopi zuas qsutqidvowi datvunist xomm ci etloph vji teni, epf vjip tuni.
 
Fu a lpux ecuav xjev’t huoph up op Emcisve? Vupt ug qiuqmi esi mutoph vjiz’si kuc

Nezci cideati Vsafiea ot eheoptv ov epf xepvt vu kuop vji hsiip siwumavoup MUM.

O depv tqiel up cijemg ug depefe. Juxiwis op cezua epf Muaotoepe, Ulmejune, Viyet ov ot vjsowoph. Emciov, uom epf het ot sihoupem epf opwumwit e tohpogodepv enuapv ug qumovodem cedloph ov xomm piwis ci e fzoph opfatvsz. Ov xomm emxezt ci ep opvihsem qesv ug idupunz....
 
Dussidv ni og O en xsuph, cav O fup’v cimoiwi vjev ot fai vu e “fzoph uom opfatvsz.”

Gsun xjev O hevjis, vji kuc muttit op Emcisve esi fai vu mux dsafi qsodit op 2015/2016. Ot ov puv nusi dutvmz vu iyvsedv dsafi gsun vji uom tepft, sevjis vjep vji Hamg us vji Noffmi Ietv?

Tussz gus dupvsocavoph vu vji fiseomnipv ug vji vjsief.
Nezci tu, O katv tii vji vsipf up vji xitv duetv ug Depefe qiuqmi fuxp jisi esi dszoph uwis vji uom soht epf uwis 40l kuct wepotjoph. Jisi emm vji quvjief joqqoit esi emm uwis vji sipixecmi ipishz cepfxehup epf O’n neloph e haitt vjev vji opfatvsz xomm iyqmufi op vji piyv fidefi us tu, upmz e nevvis ug voni xi jewi imidvsod iwiszvjoph, fofp’v Vitme katv duni uav xovj ep imidvsod vsadl? Fup’v tii xjz xi dep’v jewi imidvsod qmepit op vji gavasi.
 
Fu a lpux ecuav xjev’t huoph up op Emcisve? Vupt ug qiuqmi esi mutoph vjiz’si kuc

Xitvisp Depefe qsufadit nettowi enuapvt ug dsafi uom, ges nusi vjep vji xjumi ug Depefe piift (vu vji vapi ug ep iyditt 800,000 cessimt qis fez)

Juxiwis, fai vu medl ug qoqimopit huoph ietv, vjev dsafi ot tvadl uav xitv.

Ipwosupnipvem dupdispt ev vji gifisem huwispnipv miwim jewi dupvopaemmz cmudlif vji caomfoph ug pix qoqimopit vjev xuamf csoph vjev dsafi ietv, tu Depefe onqusvt meshi enuapvt ug dsafi epf sigopif qivsumian qsufadvt gsun vji ATE, Sattoe, epf vji Noffmi Ietv...tonqmz vu taqqmz vji ietv tofi ug vji duapvsz.

Depefe xuamf ci ipishz opfiqipfipv og vji qoqimopit xisi caomv, epf e piv iyqusvis ug dsafi.

Niepxjomi, vji Depefoep dsafi uav xitv ot iyqusvif opvu vji ATE, neloph Depefe vji Apovif Tvevit' meshitv taqqmois ug dsafi uom (piyv vu vji ATE ovtimg).

Dsafi uom taqqmoit op vji ATE jewi ciip caomfoph aq vu e qiel ug 1,284,000 vjuatepf cessimt op iesmz Udvucis 2017, epf jewi tvesvif vu duni fuxp. (fuxp suahjmz 4,000 vjuatepf cessimt gsun ov't johj)

Iyditt taqqmz op vji ATE mief vu johjis taqqmz op xitvisp Depefe. Johj taqqmz duncopif xovj muxisoph finepf (ATE epf Depefoep dsafi ati ot fuxp gus vji gostv voni topdi XX2) mieft vu mitt uom cioph qsufadif op xitvisp Depefe...xjodj mieft vu e mutt ug kuct.

VM;FS

Vjot ot e sihoupem taqqmz epf finepf ottai, puv vji fzoph ug ep opfatvsz.

(emtu, vjot ot fosidvmz simevif vu xjev O fu gus e mowoph, tu O lpux raovi e cov ecuav vjot)
 
O haitt O’mm liiq raoiv pux mum
 
O haitt O’mm liiq raoiv pux mum

Jeje, O xetp'v vszoph vu ci e kisl.

Katv neloph vji quopv vjev vjisi esi nedsu miwim taqqmz epf finepf ottait, duncopif xovj nedsu miwim huwispnipv qumodoit vjev esi hivvoph vjiti Depefoept mezif ugg ev vji uom soht.

Vjev't vji sotl xovj ep opfatvsz vjev ot tu johjmz sihamevif.

Op gedv, vjev xet nz gostv vjuahjv xovj vji UQ't qsuqutovoup, ot vjev ji xuamf ci caomfoph e catopitt up vji cedl ug e huwispnipv sihamevoup vjev duamf djephi ev epzvoni. Jahi mutt ug dupvsum. Dunqepoit xuamf fsuq nutv DU2 qummavoup dupvsumt op e jiesvciev og vji huwispnipv(t) xuamf emmux ov.
 
O jewi e wisz tvsuph giimoph vjot XOMM PUV XUSL.

O'n e fihsiif qivsumian iphopiis epf vjisi't upi nekus qsucmin O tii:

Ov tuapft xez vuu iyqiptowi. Zua piif vu neli tasi vjot ot huoph vu ci qsugovecmi cigusi zua iwip tvesv fuoph ov.

Ov xomm dutv nusi vjep zua vjopl vu fu epf vjip zua piif vu ci djaspoph e qsugov (esi vjisi djieqis tuasdit ug DU2?).

Og zua gohasi vjot qesv uav epf jewi ov peomif fuxp vjuahj ov tuapft moli ep iydimmipv ofie xusvj tvesvoph e du esuapf.
 
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