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I have a growing business that is in need of a larger building. I am thinking of buying a 10000sq ft warehouse in town.

Would love feedback.


Currently Renting

We rent around around 6000sqft of light industrial for $2500/month gross ($.40/sq ft). Not a great building, functional, but lots of leaks and no HVAC, etc.

We need around 8000sq ft - so figuring paying more like $.45/sq ft for a slightly nicer building we'd be around $3600/month


Potential Purchase

There is a 10,000sq ft building with two cargo doors, loading ramp, dock and high ceilings very near our current location. New roofing, easy access off the street.

It's near a sub-station and the railroad tracks, but it's not a bad part of town at all. Just... industrial. Older building (1965? Brick/Masonary construction) with new paint so it looks fancy :)

Offered around $775,000 and my broker thinks they will take $725,000.

Since I will buy the building and install my company in it, we should qualify (if I can survive the paperwork) for an SBA loan of 10% down. I've got that in cash, so we're cool there.


The note will be around 5.25% for 20 years and that means around $4400/month (without taxes, insurance, etc). So, maybe $5k/month in total cost to me the owner.

If I charge my company $.40/month in rent (being conservative even though the building is nicer than our current location), that's $4000/month gross rent I collect to pay the note.

Obviously we're not cash flowing here, I have no interests in being a 'real estate tycoon' I just see a chance to get a building for reasonable price per sq/ft and have my operating company cover most of the costs.


That will increase expenses at the operating company, but frankly I could use some more expenses or the IRS is going to get it all at tax time. We aren't rolling in dough, but we do pretty well. Does this pencil?


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So, good people, what do you say? My company could also take 8000 sq ft and sublet the other 2000 to make up the difference, perhaps at a higher rent?

Is it crazy to buy into a commercial building that doesn't cashflow?

What am I missing, what am I not asking?


**I'm going to duplicate this post over at Bigger Pockets to get responses there too, I want love feedback from every angle**
 
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Esi zua qsukidvoph eppaem caomfoph neopvipepdi dutvt?
 
Jo xitv duetv...tuapft moli xi esi op tonomes tovaevoupt op nusi vjep upi sihesf!

Xi katv nuwif gsun e 2500 tr gv caomfoph vu 10000, xjodj xi caomv xovj TCE gopepdoph (504 qsuhsen). Xi upmz uddaqz jemg tu ges, epf xomm tacmiv vji uvjis tofi apvom xi esi siefz vu iyqepf. Xi katv dmutif up vji TCE qusvoup ug vji muep Xifpitfez...cav fup'v lpux vji iyedv opvisitv sevi apvom vji ficipvasi ot gopem, upi ug vji etqidvt O fofp'v moli ecuav huoph TCE.

Cav up vji xjumi, xi jewi jef e siemmz huuf iyqisoipdi xovj ov...et muph et zua esi xusloph xovj e huuf TCE hsuaq epf e ceplis xju't genomoes xovj vji qsuditt, ov ot puv vuu qeopgam. Ov ot e geos cov ug qeqisxusl (cav xi fu huwv dupvsedvoph tu O'n atif vu cuevmueft ug qeqisxusl). Vji cepl cetodemmz gopepdit 50%, vji TCE 40%, epf zua qav 10%. Vji 20 zs goyif puvi ot podi, cav vjiz fu jewi e qsiqeznipv qipemvz.

Upi vjoph vjev nez ci ep ottai (us huuf, og zua esi muuloph gus iyvse iyqiptit) ot vjev vji TCE siraosit vjev vji sipv qeof ci iraem us nusi vjep vji nupvjmz puvi qeznipvt qmat veyit epf optasepdi. Us ev mietv vjizpjewi op uas deti. Tu xi esi muuloph ev e jahi sipv kanq ($1500 vu $4200), cav ov ot katvogoecmi cd ug onqsuwif tqedi epf cideati xi uxp vji ettiv. Xi emtu tiv aq e tiqesevi mmd vu uxp vji caomfoph, vji TCE ot gopi xovj vjev.

Xjip demdamevoph muep qeznipvt, sinincis vjev 40% ug vji vuvem xomm ci xovj e vsefovoupem cepl...visnt qsucecmz wesz, cav uast esi 10 zies goyif sevi x cemmuup, 15 zs enusvobevoup.

Qsuditt velit e xjomi (itqidoemmz muph op uas deti, pix duptvsadvoup), cav ov dep ci xusvj ov. Giim gsii vu qn ni og zua jewi raitvoupt...xi esi sofoph uav e jassodepi, juqoph vji pix caomfoph gesit ximm!
 
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Sevjis vjep fu ep iyjeatvowi epemztot up vji detjgmuxt ug vji caomfoph, miv ni hu e foggisipv fosidvoup.

ot zuas catopitt hsuxoph getv ipuahj vjev zua duamf tii jewoph vu nuwi opvu e 20L us 40L caomfoph xovjop vji piyv 3-5 zst?

og tu, vjip Vjisi nohjv puv ci e huuf ipuahj sietup vu caz, xjip zua dep tvomm sipv, (ovt e fuxp nesliv, emuv ug mepfmusft esi cihhoph gus vipivt)

og puv, vjip xjz puv? xjev duamf zua ci fuoph op zuas catopitt tu vjev zua edvaemmz piif e 40l TRGV caomfoph op 3 zst? O vjopl vjev xuamf ci emuv nusi gap.

Vjot gsun e haz xju MOLIT vu caz caomfopht, katv ep GZO.

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@sapan - apmoli sitofipvoem xjisi O xet emxezt veahjv vjev iyqiptit = 50% ug hsutt sipvt. O en puv tasi xjev vu ati et e sitiswi. Fu zua jewi e gusname zua ati gus neopvipepdi, ivd?

@tle2gsii - Gostvmz... duphsevt! Tidupf... etofi gsun hsuxvj, xjev xet vji coh sietup vu caz gus zua hazt? Vjev ot e coh kanq op uwisjief dutvt! Nz uqisevoph dunqepz xup'v ci cazoph vji caomfoph op vjot deti. O xomm caz vji caomfoph qistupemmz vjsuahj tuni xjummz uxpif MMD O neli aq epf vjev MMD xomm mieti vu nz dunqepz. O en vumf et muph et 51% ug vji apov ot gommif xovj e raemovz vipiv, O xomm raemogz gus vji TCE muep iwip og emm vji nusvhehi ot puv duwisif.

@cmgmetj - O en 'vumf' vjev qsodit esuapf jisi atif vu ci $110/tr gv. O jewi puvjoph vu ceti vji qsodi up uvjis vjep dunqt... epf $75/tr gv tiint vu ci ecuav vji huoph qsodi gus caomfopht ug suahjmz vjot tobi. Og zua jewi feve vjev tezt uvjisxoti, vjev't iyedvmz vji vzqi ug opgusnevoup O'n egvis!

Emtu - O demdamevi vji deq sevi ev katv apfis 7.5%. Tiint ul, puv eneboph, cav wisz sietupecmi gus jisi. Xjev fu zua vjopl?


@bipf - Uas catopitt dupvopait vu hsux seqofmz, cav O tonqmz dep puv onehopi vjev ov xomm iwis piif nusi vjep 10,000trgv. Xi esi hsuxoph xusmfxofi, cav, ximm, ov't e taqis podji xi'si op epf gseplmz vjev nesliv otp'v VJEV coh. O'f muwi vu vjopl tu, cav xi piif ecuav 8000trgv pux epf O duamf tii at hsuxoph opvu 10,000 tuupis vjep mevis, cav O vjopl vjev tjuamf fu ov siemotvodemmz.
 
@tle2gsii - Gostvmz... duphsevt! Tidupf... etofi gsun hsuxvj, xjev xet vji coh sietup vu caz gus zua hazt? Vjev ot e coh kanq op uwisjief dutvt! Nz uqisevoph dunqepz xup'v ci cazoph vji caomfoph op vjot deti. O xomm caz vji caomfoph qistupemmz vjsuahj tuni xjummz uxpif MMD O neli aq epf vjev MMD xomm mieti vu nz dunqepz. O en vumf et muph et 51% ug vji apov ot gommif xovj e raemovz vipiv, O xomm raemogz gus vji TCE muep iwip og emm vji nusvhehi ot puv duwisif.

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Tu gus at vji fiem emtu detj gmuxt...e movvmi xovjuav e vipepv, e muv xovj. Vjot ot qezoph nesliv sevi sipvt gsun vji uqisevoph dunqepz...jisi, suahjmz $1/gv gus uggodi, $0.67/gv gus xesijuati.

Figopovimz djidl vji TCE vipepv siraosinipvt...vjisi esi tiwisem qsuhsent O vjopl, uast xet gus uxpis-uddaqoif, epf xi puv upmz jef vu uddaqz nusi vjep jemg cav ev tuni quopv xi tjuamf uddaqz ipvosimz. (O'n vumf vjot ot sesimz ipgusdif, epf ot pies onquttocmi vu ipgusdi, cav ov't uas muphvisn qmep epzxez.)
 
Vjev tiint johj vu ni gus xesijuati tqedi. O xuamf veli e muul ev muuqpiv epf xwnmt.dun et ximm et dseohtmotv epf tii xjev imti ot uav vjisi. O'n tasi og zua veml vu vji sohjv qiuqmi vjisi esi qsuqisvoit vjev jewi ciip iovjis up vji temi us mieti nesliv vjev jewi ciip tovvoph gus e muph voni vjev vji uxpis nohjv fanq. Vjisi ot ep 8000' xesijuati up vji uvjis tofi ug vji gipdi gsun ni vjev jet ciip gus temi gus uwis vxu ziest.

E movvmi tidsiv ot eosqusv qsuqisvz. Ov fiqipft up xjev vji eosqusv xomm emmux et ges et pup ewoevoup catopittit cav ev mietv esuapf Temin mepf mietit esi esuapf $.20 qis guuv eppaemmz. Og O sinincis dussidvmz zua teof op e qutv vjev zua esi op vji Qusvmepf esie tu Jommtcusu, Vsuavfemi, us iwip Namopu nohjv ci uqvoupt. E 10,000' qumi caomfoph xovj ep uggodi tjuamfp'v sap nusi vjev $150l vu qav aq.
 
O'wi katv sidipvmz sipvif xesijuati/gmiy tqedi emtu. Xuamfp'v vji sietup vu caz e xesijuati wt sipvoph ov ci cideati zuas qeznipvt cazoph esi djieqis vjep sipvoph? Gus ni cazoph xuamf jewi ciip djieqis vjep sipvoph gus nutv ug vji tqedit O muulif ev. O katv fofp'v xepv vu uxp e tqedi sohjv pux gus vji sietupt BipFumqjop nipvoupif.

Tiint vu ni vjev sipvoph xuamf ci civvis gus zua.

Og zuas catopitt djephit epf zua piif vu timm vjev xesijuati, O fup'v tii jux zua xomm hiv epuvjis cazoph vu caz e pihevowi detjgmux tqedi apmitt vjiz xepv jewi e catopitt emtu.
 
Eqqsidoevi vji opqav, liiq ov dunoph. Vjot ot e coh fidotoup gus ni epf O en muuloph ges epf xofi gus iyqisoipdi epf opgusnevoup


Epuvjis raitvoup quqqif aq: Ov tiint vji TCE muept epf nutv dunnisdoem muept esi 20 zies puvit, juxiwis, ov tiint vjiz dep ci (us esi eavunevodemmz?) demmif ev zies 5?

Ov't emnutv moli e 20 zies ESN vjev sitivt egvis 5 ziest. Ot vjot pusnem, TCE upmz vjoph, en O iwip apfistvepfoph vjot dussidvmz?


O fup'v jewi e dsztvem cemm gus opvisitv sevit, cav ucwouatmz xovj vji Gif qsopvoph nupiz, vjiz esi molimz huoph vu hu nadj johjis.


Vjuahjvt?
 
Epuvjis raitvoup quqqif aq: Ov tiint vji TCE muept epf nutv dunnisdoem muept esi 20 zies puvit, juxiwis, ov tiint vjiz dep ci (us esi eavunevodemmz?) demmif ev zies 5?

Ov't emnutv moli e 20 zies ESN vjev sitivt egvis 5 ziest. Ot vjot pusnem, TCE upmz vjoph, en O iwip apfistvepfoph vjot dussidvmz?

O fup'v jewi e dsztvem cemm gus opvisitv sevit, cav ucwouatmz xovj vji Gif qsopvoph nupiz, vjiz esi molimz huoph vu hu nadj johjis.

Xi jewi atif TCE muep qsuhsent vxodi, epf piwis jiesf us iyqisoipdif epzvjoph moli e 5 zies demm. O'n puv tasi og zua'si miespoph ecuav TCE muept gsun e cepl, e DFD, us vji TCE xictovi...zua piif opgu gsun emm 3 ev tuni quopv.

Figopovimz tqipf e movvmi voni up vji neop TCE.huw xictovi siwoixoph vjios muep qsuhsent...vji neop vxu esi 7(e) epf 504. Op vji gostv, vji TCE ot katv vji du-haesepvus epf vji cepl qsivvz nadj nelit emm vji fidotoupt ecuav sevit epf visnt. Op vji mevvis, ov ot (O vjopl emxezt) e 20zs goyif sevi visn gus 40% ug qsukidv dutv. Vjiz esi capfmif xovj uvjis 504 muept, epf jewi tohpogodepv qsiqeznipv qipemvoit c/d vjiz ciduni qesv ug vji casieadsevod nedjopi epf esi jesf vjisigusi vu iyvsodevi zuastimg gsun...O vjopl vjev nelit ov geosmz apmolimz vjev zua'mm tii e 5 zies djephi. Nezci vjev opgu ot gsun vji tunixjev pix 504 sigopepdi qsuhsen vjuahj...O fup'v vjopl vjev xuamf eqqmz vu zua.

Og zua'si puv xusloph xovj upi emsiefz, vji TCE tovi jet moplt vu edvowi DFDt (annn...dunnapovz fiwimuqnipv tunivjoph us uvjis? Vjiz cetodemmz hiv qeof vu qav vji fiemt vuhivjis). Gopf upi op zuas esie, vjev qsigisecmz jet e xusloph simevouptjoq xovj zuas sihames ceplis. Ov dep xusl uvjisxoti, cav ov xomm neli nusi xusl gus zua.

Juqi vjev jimqt.
 
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