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Some of my favorite lessons of his are:

1. Money loves speed. Ideally, try to make money on the same day. You got an idea to do X at 8am today and by 6pm you've made $500. That's speed. Money doesn't like a lot of waiting. Of course, it may not be applicable in 100% cases but if you're not making money within 1 month after busting your a$$, you need to do something else.
2. Until you are a big rich company or have lots of money, contracts are not real.
3. Most of you don’t know what a business is. It’s money in to a bank FIRST. Cash is first.
4. You need to get good at talking/speaking. Everything in life is basically the same thing. People walk into a room to say things. Talking and selling are the same thing. AVOID UMS OR AHHS in your speech. Make sure you orate yourself properly.
5. Money can not be made. You can only take money from other people! Money is like water, and money is always moving. Why should people give you their money? You have to convince others to give you their money
6. Nobody is broke. They’re simply just buying other things. You have to make sure your offer is great. During corona, people were buying lots of stuff like alcohol, tissue, traveling, adult entertainment content and so on even though they had little money! Sell the end result. People will always buy shit.
7. Command respect. Be strong and masculine. Physical presence is a real thing, it surely impacts the other person to do business with you, whether you like it or not
8. Forge the patience crap that all gurus like to repeat. Have patience for 10-30 years blah blah blah. NO, you got to get rich now. The time to get rich is running out. These are some of the last years a normal person can get rich.

You paid for this 'advice' did you?

You will learn 1000x more than that drivel from this £1.99 book by Richard Branson Screw It, Let's Do It: Lessons In Life (Quick Reads) eBook : Branson, Richard: Amazon.co.uk: Kindle Store

Dan
 
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You paid for this 'advice' did you?

You will learn 1000x more than that drivel from this £1.99 book by Richard Branson Screw It, Let's Do It: Lessons In Life (Quick Reads) eBook : Branson, Richard: Amazon.co.uk: Kindle Store

Dan
Nowadays I actually can’t stand reading “self-help” books. But I’ve gotten into biographies. Seems like they teach you something that self-help books can’t… namely the consequences of certain decisions. It’s like you “take on” the experience of the other person, and therefore become better at taking decisions and thinking through situations.

They don’t give you the answers, but they add to your experience bank so you’re better able to come up with your own answers. I haven’t read Branson’s actually, so I’ll get that too!

Biographies also show you that successful people aren’t anything special - they’re not gods, you’re no different from them. That’s also an important lesson.

Paradoxically, Tate never looked for advice on how to get rich. He worked with the opportunities he had available. Didn’t wait for anyone to tell him what to do.
 
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But I’ve gotten into biographies. Seems like they teach you something that self-help books can’t… namely the consequences of certain decisions. It’s like you “take on” the experience of the other person, and therefore become better at taking decisions and thinking through situations.

They don’t give you the answers, but they add to your experience bank so you’re better able to come up with your own answers. I haven’t read Branson’s actually, so I’ll get that too!

Biographies also show you that successful people aren’t anything special - they’re not gods, you’re no different from them. That’s also an important lesson.

Yes. In the 19th Century the biggest selling book after the bible in the UK was Self Helf by Samuel Smiles. Well before Napolean Hill wrote his pseudo stuff that set the tone for what came after. It is actually hundreds of mini biographies of people across all sorts of fields. Military, Aristocracy Manufacturing, Arts, Medicine, etc etc

It made everyone want to get up and go. Result = British Empire.

Margaret Thatcher (UK Prime Minister) was a big fan and was minded to give every schoolchild in the UK this book to teach them get up and go, ingenuity and work ethic.

Some of the stories are pretty amazing. They get you thinking out of the box.

Dan
 

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Not really HU related, but I've noticed Andrew is definitely a lot more self-conscious and awkward calling girls bitches these days. He looks a bit embarrassed by it now, but hey, it worked for him to get noticed I suppose.
 
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Not really HU related, but I've noticed Andrew is definitely a lot more self-conscious and awkward calling girls bitches these days. He looks a bit embarrassed by it now, but hey, it worked for him to get noticed I suppose.
He’s grown on me a lot

I think people who cut his videos up, and probably him, realised that these videos that get more viral views because they say outlandish things, actually result in less sales than a video with less views that actually has good advice
 

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HU isn't a ponzi scheme, it's a simple affiliate program.
Yes it’s not a Ponzi scheme. But it’s not just a simple affiliate program either.

It is a pyramid scheme.

The distinguishing mark of it being the fact that you join a course that teaches you how to sell that same course. Imagine if everyone on earth bought HU, who would there be left to sell to?

Nobody.

A pyramid scheme is marked by diminishing returns the more “successful” it is. When theoretically everyone on earth buys HU, there’s no one to sell to, so the last members to be brought in simply cannot recover their investment or be successful with their knowledge.

A pyramid scheme eats itself up because it peddles something that isn’t productive and doesn’t add any value. People sell HU not because it’s useful, but because it makes them money. If it wasn’t for the prospect of making money, then HU would be worthless.

You can argue that all courses are pyramid schemes, but that’s not true, unless the purpose of the course is to teach you to sell the course. I have extensive training and mentorship for agency owners for example - it’s not a pyramid scheme because I don’t focus on teaching my students how to sell my product, the focus is on teaching them how to build and run successful agencies. Hence they are productive and add value in the world. The pie isn’t getting any smaller for them if I become more successful and train more agencies.
 

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Yes it’s not a Ponzi scheme. But it’s not just a simple affiliate program either.

It is a pyramid scheme.

The distinguishing mark of it being the fact that you join a course that teaches you how to sell that same course. Imagine if everyone on earth bought HU, who would there be left to sell to?

Nobody.

A pyramid scheme is marked by diminishing returns the more “successful” it is. When theoretically everyone on earth buys HU, there’s no one to sell to, so the last members to be brought in simply cannot recover their investment or be successful with their knowledge.

A pyramid scheme eats itself up because it peddles something that isn’t productive and doesn’t add any value. People sell HU not because it’s useful, but because it makes them money. If it wasn’t for the prospect of making money, then HU would be worthless.

You can argue that all courses are pyramid schemes, but that’s not true, unless the purpose of the course is to teach you to sell the course. I have extensive training and mentorship for agency owners for example - it’s not a pyramid scheme because I don’t focus on teaching my students how to sell my product, the focus is on teaching them how to build and run successful agencies. Hence they are productive and add value in the world. The pie isn’t getting any smaller for them if I become more successful and train more agencies.
It's not a pyramid scheme or a simple affiliate program. The affiliate marketing is just one of multiple disciplines thaught in HU (eg. copywriting,crypto, amazon fba, dropshipping etc) . The content is presented by experts not Tate.

The content inside is legit - at least the copywriting part.

Saying it is a simple affiliate program is like saying Clickfunnels is an affiliate program just because they offer users to become affiliates. And saying it is a pyramid scheme is absolutely false and I am not sure what evidence you have to support that claim.
 
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I read all responses. All the critiques seem to be oriented at him as a person or are unfounded claims that his HU is a scam.
I'm not saying it is not a scam but there is nothing here to prove it. I essence, a lot of feelings, few facts.

To the original poster, if you are already broke then , spending money on his HU isn't going to help.

I'd recommend seeing the topics he teaches and teach yourself with online courses. He is right that knowing DeFi is a good skill and may help you make money. However, that is something anyone can tell you.
 

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Yes. In the 19th Century the biggest selling book after the bible in the UK was Self Helf by Samuel Smiles. Well before Napolean Hill wrote his pseudo stuff that set the tone for what came after. It is actually hundreds of mini biographies of people across all sorts of fields. Military, Aristocracy Manufacturing, Arts, Medicine, etc etc

It made everyone want to get up and go. Result = British Empire.

Margaret Thatcher (UK Prime Minister) was a big fan and was minded to give every schoolchild in the UK this book to teach them get up and go, ingenuity and work ethic.

Some of the stories are pretty amazing. They get you thinking out of the box.

Dan

Dude, I grew up under Thatcher and the only thing she did to every school kid, was take away our free milk and jobs from our fathers.

The British Empire was built under Queen Victoria using war, nepotism and slavery.

Read a book or something.
 

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That is technically true - but then why do most Tate students do affiliate marketing and not the other “multiple disciplines”?


Well I suppose that depends what you mean by legit. I’m familiar with two of Tate’s own products, one being a mindset course, and they both felt like crappy products put together in a hurry. Does crappy mean they don’t have any value? No it just means that they’re overpriced, not much thought was put into them, and most students aren’t going to achieve the promised results by going through them.

That was my impression.

Now talk to anyone serious in the any of the fields you mentioned - copywriting, FBA, and so on. See if they follow Tate. My bet is they may not even know who Tate is.

For example, in my own industry, marketing agencies, most of the serious producers out there don’t even know who Iman Ghadzi is. By comparison, most newbies are very familiar with him. Personally I don’t even consider Iman a competitor of mine… we address a very different market. He addresses broken starry-eyed and desperate kids, while I work with those who focus on building a real business not a side hustle.


I’ve outlined my evidence. Most students seem to buy HU and then the main focus becomes reselling it to others. That’s a classical pyramid scheme and my previous post explains why. There is “no product” here - the product is “reselling the product”.
Tate doesn' teach anything there and the programs aren't made by him.

And "seems like most students do affiliate marketing" is not evidence but bias - the affiliate ones are obviously more visible - how are you supposed to see the ones who choose other disciplines?

As far as Tates other products go - yeah they are bad - and Iron Mind is terrible, so I agree with that.
 
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It's been a hot minute since I've posted here, but this question goes out to those who are in HU. As a full-time college student (18 yrs) studying cyber security, I've found it difficult to squeeze things into my schedule during the school year. However, Summer is right around the corner and I'm looking to get some money in my pocket. Let's say I'm dead broke. I've already decided on a job where I'll be able to work, but that leaves me with some free time. So I've heard a lot of good things about HU, but I need actual insight.

Under my circumstances, will I be able to benefit from what is taught in Hustlers U?

Thanks
Well , many courses are You should be able to master the concepts to apply them in every market, so I would suggest to spend 50 dollars in book who makes you understand entrepeneurship as a general skill.

As far as copywriting or site buildin goes, You can learn most of that thing on Your own.


Another thing: in my opinion most books are too long and their most important concepts can be resumed in 50 pages. I usually read book summaries or listen to audiobooks, it's just a simpler way to get through the fluff that most books have and get straight to the point.

Remember to study - apply - learn from Your mistakes and then repeat. Practice is what makes You good. It is better to lean by heart one important book than reading 50 books one times and not getting anything out of it.

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Like others have said, don't buy his things. He made money by leveraging his girlfriends to attract other girls to making a cam girl business. I don't think I need to describe how much money that must have produced during Covid 2020-21 lockdown(s). He stated multiple times that the money he made during Covid was ridiculous. He opened a casino franchised from a mobster in Romania that he had ties with. And now he has thousands of students paying 50 a month for HU. I spent an afternoon watching his videos and writing down all the aspects of his videos that made me want to buy his stuff, that made me "buy in". Then, you can apply that marketing and those tricks towards your own venture. They are very good at marketing. Their production value is very high.

Do what he does, not what he says.
That's a good thing, studying these people gives You a lot of insights.
 

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Well, they could talk about it for starters. There are precious few who do in comparison with the cutting and pasting clips of Tate ones…

Yes I know. In fact many of the big name gurus outsource the creation of their courses and programs. They are salesmen first, not educators. Sort of like me hiring you to create a training program about building an agency, and then using my reputation to sell it. Maybe it will be good, but most of the time it’s not.

But think about it. If those “experts” were really experts, why are they teaching for someone else? They’d set up their own shop and do the teaching. That’s what everyone who is really an expert does.
How many people actively talk about how awesome your services are - without any incentive? They give a quick testimonial and keep moving because their problem is solved.

Tate has a fair share of positive testimonials and case studies, but obviously they are not designed to catch your attention like the affiliate marketing stuff is.

And it's not that insane that these experts would want to work for the most Googled man on the planet. There are employees of Russel Brunson who make above 1 mil, so why dont they set up shop by themselves?

Because they get social proof and support that would take decades of building.
 
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Maybe. In my experience, those who are the best at what they do tend to avoid working for those whom they see as inferior to them even if they have much greater social clout.

Regardless Tate became “the most Googled man on the planet” AFTER those “experts” already started working for him.
True. The idea is not that they are the best but that they are making 1 mil plus per year. Which is plausible, but I dont have proof. At the same time there is no counterproof either which there should be since everyone's trying to discredit Tate.
 

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In the case of Tate’s experts, I highly doubt that. But in some other cases, for sure.


I don’t think everyone’s trying to discredit Tate. I think all the people around him want to make as much money as possible off his success. Success, just like shit, attracts all the flies :eyes:
Man, People like CoffeeZilla/Mike Winnet would LOVE to expose him
 

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Man, People like CoffeeZilla would LOVE to expose him
Sure but the whole “expose” industry is very weak and very poorly run. It’s mostly just glitter in your face. Nobody has actually been “exposed”.

To be exposed they’d need to go boots on the ground, speak with accountants, obtain legal documents and paperwork and so on.

None of them are doing anything like that. At the most what “exposed” means is simply joining their course/program or going off stories and comments and articles that can be found online. Or having a supposed past student give an interview. That’s like no research whatsoever, an investigative journalist would laugh.

Why is this the case?

Because actually exposing someone is very very hard work, and high cost, and the returns are minimal compared to all the risks involved.
 
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At the same time there is no counterproof either which there should be since everyone's trying to discredit Tate.

Yeah Tate clearly knows what he's doing with all of the attention that he's getting. But ask yourself, do you really think that a dude who made his money with cam girls and casinos really cares about the best interests of a bunch of broke 20 somethings?

There aren't any bombshells in the videos below - they just talk about how Tate doesn't teach on HU and how the content is low quality.

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BijOF8I2t_4


View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=59PoW1WoP4g

Though, I do recall that a year ago, Bow Tied Bull claimed that Tate ripped off some of their crypto charts & analysis.
 

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Yeah Tate clearly knows what he's doing with all of the attention that he's getting. But ask yourself, do you really think that a dude who made his money with cam girls and casinos really cares about the best interests of a bunch of broke 20 somethings?

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BijOF8I2t_4


View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=59PoW1WoP4g
Of course he doesnt give a f*** about 20 somethings - Tate only cares about Tate (which he should) - and building a solid product that retains customers is good for Tate - and coincidentally for his audience.

I have no illusions about his character, but in the pudding there should be proof. Last I checked there are only accusations and ad hominem bs.
 

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Of course he doesnt give a f*** about 20 somethings - Tate only cares about Tate (which he should) - and building a solid product that retains customers is good for Tate - and coincidentally for his audience.

I have no illusions about his character, but in the pudding there should be proof. Last I checked there are only accusations and ad hominem bs.

His audience is broke 20 somethings. No one builds a solid product when they don't care about their audience.
 
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His audience is broke 20 somethings. No one builds a solid product when they don't care about their audience.
That is an opinion not a fact. Caring about an audience helps but it is not a prerequisite for building a solid product.
 

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I want to know if it's worth it or not , please vote but only who have tried it
Don't do it.
All the thing you learn there are money chasing hustles that will maybe pay for the price of the membership.
Go and build a real business and get off tiktok and youtube.
 
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There was already a long thread about Andrew Tate. But to answer your question, no.

Entering his soyniversity, you'll probably not know any other way to make money other than starting porn sites and having a harem of virgins.

I don't remember who said it, but it goes:
"Satan will tell you 99 truths if he can slip one lie"


EDIT: this was originally a reply to a thread that was moved here.
View: https://youtu.be/067wyxQ5tx4
 
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I want to know if it's worth it or not , please vote but only who have tried it

We have a thread on this already, we don't need a new one. Thread merged.
 
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Great to see these kinds of post so young people including me can get the unbiased opinion of business-minded people.
Having digested alot of Tate's content, here's what I can say:

I do believe alot of what he teaches (girls, money, self-help & matrix) is generally true & makes sense. That's why alot of people get hooked by it. Even me, and I'm thankful for it because it does change how you think.

The problem is that $49 can be spent elsewhere depending on what business/career you are going for.
So let's say under Marketing > SEO. It's a very specific branch under Marketing that is scalable, proven and most importantly specific. You can spend that $49 learning courses that came from actual experts (been in the industry for 5 or more years), rather than learning about too many professions/industry at the same time.

Andrew Tate's success came from:
1.) Salesman (His first job)
2.) KickBoxing (probably 1st million cause he was a champion)
3.) Webcam Business (Adult-industry)
After this, he capitalized on being an influencer. Which he made more money than ever.
4.) Being a Social Media Star
5.) Speaking Gigs (He's a great speaker) was invited on many talk shows.
6.) Online courses (I wouldn't recommend it).

Wrapping this up, it would be better to spend it on investments that directly helps you with what you are trying to achieve.
Since you're currently in Cybersec, certifications would be a good idea. Or going to IT-specific events and networking with professionals/executives would give more mileage to that $49.
 

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I've read this entire thread (all four pages) and I don't think I've seen a single person who is a member of TRW (formerly HU2).

I am a member.

I signed up ~ 1 year ago, the $50/mo isn't something that breaks or makes my life, I thought I could network with more "advanced" users there - well that's not really the case.

I have zero financial benefit writing this, so I'll share what I think.

First things first:

There is VERY LITTLE (next to none) of actual Tate's content in there. Very little. I suspect this is intentional. I am guessing it's becoming a standalone brand of its own.

Most of their courses are taught by "Professors". For someone without ANY business experience and zero understanding of commerce HU is probably a good resource.

But for someone with experience, or who's running a business - you will NOT get much new information out of that platform. It's absolutely useless.

Couple misconception:

It is not a discord server, nor it's a forum. They built a platform of their own (with some semblance to discord) and they have a courses section with video presentation. Here are the campuses I was part of and watched at least 60% of the coursework:

- Copywriting - probably ~20+ hours worth of stuff. If you're completely new to copywriting, sure. But reading 2-3 good books on the subject will do the job. A dude named Andrew (not tate) teaches this. It's probably one of the better campuses in the entire HU.

- Social Media (Personal Branding) - if you're a complete newb in the game - it's good. Dylan Madden teaches that course and I've followed Dylan on X way way before he got involved in HU. If you've ever taken any social media growth courses - it'd be a lot of rehash. This campus is now part of "Client Acquisition" also taught by Dylan.

- Freelancing (Now "Client Acquisition") - the "campus" I started on. This is probably the best and most comprehensive collection of courses on how to go solo - simply because of the guy who teaches. I've freelanced (web programming) for 17+ years, so coming from personal experience, there is a lot of solid information in there. I haven't seen other courses on freelancing, so I cannot recommend alternative. If you want to do, graphic design, video editing, social media managing, copywriting, newsletter writing,etc. Might be worthy. Again, IMHO freelancing is mostly Time For Money kind of engagement unless you build an agency - but there is next to nothing on Agency in HU. Freelancing violates CENTS framework, but could be a good start to fund a real business.

- Fitness - it's crap. Way better stuff online for free.

- Content Creation / AI - it's alright if you're absolutely new to the game. AI course is very basic but I think the whole industry is still fresh. It's taught by very animated guy called "Pope". His video editing stuff is pretty decent (again, you can find it for free on YT). DALL-E & Chat GPT prompts he recommends are good too.This is probably the least of content I've watched.

Rest (eComm, Crypto, Stock campuses) I have not seen. So... no opinion).

Would I recommend it?

Kinda, if you're an absolute beginner. Basically, if you're a kid, living with your parent, going from $0 to first $3-5k per month, sure. You can race through entire campus in 1-2 months for total cost of $100 and cancel it.

but...

No, if you want advanced advice, strong network and experienced business owners helping you. If you're already in business or have consistent monthly income (freelancing, online, etc) - HU would be a waste of 50 bucks.

At the end of the day, you can probably find most of that info for free online and from books.

For an absolute beginner this could be a good primer. I think most people pay for the community aspect, weekly calls, live streams and a bunch of bonus content. There is gamification. A lot of it.

This is my experience being in HU. Not an opinion on Andrew nor his personal brand. I do know couple people in war room but that's not the topic of discussion. Most HU reviews online are done either by affiliates or by total haters of andrew.

My perspective at the stage where I am now, I get more value from community like this one by engaging with people who are running serious businesses.

In HU - it's students engaging and "profs" answering questions so the community isn't as helpful. Entire TRW/HU is mostly dudes under 25.

That being said, I'd probably cancel HU and join paid Fastlane forum and be more active here.
 

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