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Why does everyone love Think and Grow Rich

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I do have to say. I've never known anyone in real life get rich JUST by thinking about it, doesn't work.

Fixed that for you.

Again, "Think and Grow Rich" is not a book about sitting around thinking about getting rich until money falls in your lap.

It never was, and anyone who thinks that either misunderstood or didn't read much of it.

People can cherry-pick passages from the book and make it seem like that's what it was about - the same way they can use stats to prove just about anything - but that's an extremely misguided treatment of the book's actual material.
 

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Does anyone else think this LOA stuff is actually a conspiracy to stop "normal" people getting under the toes of the rich? ha ha
Rather than tell people they cant achieve, tell people they can achieve by just believing in it.
I think in cases where Jim Carrey claims he used belief and LOA to transmute his $10m check from nothing in to actual cash just because he wrote "for acting services rendered" like he's offering something to the universe. And other cases like his do distract people from actually putting work in to their dreams, I mean dreams are all dandy until you wake up and realise your late to that monotonous job you hate where you make someone else's dream a reality... Unlike Napoleon Hill some guys don't talk about the struggles of doing more than your worth and perusing your idea with a strategy enforced by action and persistence instead of just belief. So I conclude, maybe, just maybe some don't want others to actually succeed and don't let on to all they know.
 

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Read the book. Got bored. It basically says 'Focus on your goal very hard and you will get it.'
It's like saying 'Aim very hard at the target and you will hit it.'

And you fire and IT HITS....and it's the wrong target.

People climb corporate ladders only to find at the top that they have wasted the best years of their lives, missing time to see kids grow and to grow old with their spouses. So you can't just think....we have to go FASTLANE, the road of supercars that zoom like crazy
 
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Interesting anecdote about that title - Napoleon Hill couldn't come up with one until his publisher told him "you have 24 hours to give us the title, and failing that, we're going with..." (wait for it) "Use your Noodle to get the Boodle".

I've since verified this anecdote about the title of TAGR (I was actually wondering about it) - on the audio series Your Right To Be Rich, which are recordings of a series of Napoleon Hill lectures, he relates this story. (Originally I only knew about it from Maxwell Maltz's telling it in Psycho-Cybernetics)
 

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I know this book is a bit old and has older philosophies, but everytime it gets to the deaf guy story, I have to put it down and walk away. It pisses me off to no end. It gives major vibes of audism in disguise and I might be a bit too emotional about it, but it strikes home a bit too close for me.

I understand that you guys might find that story inspiring in a positive aspect, but to me it's still a driver but in the negative side of things.

You mean the entire story about his son?
 

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My key takeaway was definiteness of purpose.

Easy to chase money etc, much different to have a specific purpose.

Once I saw that, I saw why certain companies / people became massive and most remain tiny.

As for the rest of the book, it's more about the underlying psychology of success. Remember it was written in 1930's when Twitter and forums didn't exist. Napoleon Hill also went straight to source in order to compile it... didn't just rehash like everyone else (a good example of definiteness of purpose).
 
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Does anyone else think this LOA stuff is actually a conspiracy to stop "normal" people getting under the toes of the rich? ha ha
Rather than tell people they cant achieve, tell people they can achieve by just believing in it.

I used to read LOA, but that all changed when I went to a conference called "Achievers and Believers".
It was all high-five's and dancing around, I just humored it.
The whole meeting was centred around belief, whilst I am an advocate for belief, one of the speakers had so much belief, it was unbelievable.
so much so, he actually wrote a book about how to be financially wealthy by just believing that you could become wealthy.
I was curious, so I asked him a few probing questions (who doesn't want to be wealthy) and I cannot remember what I asked him but I specifically recall
his answer.
He said "Well I've been invited to another speaking event but (...... wait for it.....)I have to go to work that day"
Boom... there it was, the truth.

I digress, I dont think its a conspiracy. I just think it gives people hope and whilst it helps some people, its not for me.
I do have to say. I've never known anyone in real life get rich by thinking about it, doesn't work.


that's a way to see the whole thing

i have another point of view about the book

Napoleon Hill's message is that if you persist enough in your actions, no matter how stupid they are,

then you might succeed anyway !

because life is stupid, unfair and absurd so miracles can happen anyway while it is impossible according to logic


-->let me explain

1) people won the lottery twice while it is impossible according to mathematics

British couple win £1m in lottery draw for second time in two years


2) people made important discoveries by accident while doing something else

the Doctor who discovered penicilin by accident

the child who found famous ancient caves in France by accident

the guy who " fill in the blancks "

3) harworking people might never go anywhere while stupid people are lucky in life

the guy who was saved at sea while doing stupids things . he must have died according to french doctor xavier Maniguet

and people who did the right thing died at sea anyway !



the list is endless



Napoleon Hill message is not " do the right logical thing and you will succeed "

the message is " take action enough and miracles might happen while it is absurb, silly and impossible "




--> just think about the little child shouting at Darby's uncle at the beginning of Think and Grow rich

is it logical to give the uncle a whipping while you are a child ???

no, she might have been killed by the uncle

but the child followed Hill's advice : take action and stupid miracles might happen anyway

because life is absurb, unfair and stupid


and sure enough , she mastered the uncle

 
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I agree buddy! I don't kno how many times I've heard people praise Think and Grow Rich as "the book you HAVE to read." I read it, it was ok at the time. Later on I began doubting anything related to the law of attraction. No wonder this book is popular among MLMs. It's this kind of feel good stuff that keeps people pouring money into the self-help industry.

The thing that bothers me, now that I look back at Think and Grow Rich, was it didn't give me any real meat on how to build a business. The main theme of the book is visualizing and using affirmations, and then it goes into using sexual energy, having a "pleasing personality," and creating a committee of imaginary great people. In hindsight, none of the books like Think and Grow Rich gave me any real insight on building a business, or what it takes to be rich. Win Friends and Influence People is another similar one, and although it has application, I find people who take a large steaming dump on this book and are still rich and successful. I've read a lot of books that I used to think were gold and now, after a few years of reading and learning, they just don't seem to nail it anymore.

Any one of these authors who get too esoteric I tend to let fall to the way side. There's nothing magical or mystical about making money and you don't have to stand in front of a mirror and say, "I'm fullfilling my million dollar potential..." or a similar cornball affirmation. In my mind, these kinds of "excercises" rank us among the people who believe they've been abducted by aliens(without even knowing it), or believe that sprinking water annointed by the holy ghost heals cancer.(but ironically can't restore missing limbs)

I don't need to be worth 10 million dollars to tell you this won't work because looking in the mirror and chanting affirmations doesn't solve a need in the marketplace. If you could just attract money(if the LOA actually worked) we wouldn't need jobs(and nothing would get done). Since most people either work jobs or own businesses we have to conclude that the LOA either doesn't work, or everyone has such a hopelessly corrupt mindsets that they can't harness the power of the LOA. In which case isn't it easier to just go out and make money the old fashion way? The reason why not too many people make money from chanting affirmations is that there isn't much of a demand for it. You can't get someting for nothing and just say, "I know everyone works for their money but I'm just going to chant affirmations and be open to money coming to me." This is the kind of delusional thinking the self-help industry peddles to the blind.

The thing I love about Millionaire Fastlane , How to Get Rich, etc. etc. is that these books are pragmatism at it's best. They doesn't rattle on about vague, mystic concepts none of us will ever really understand.


Napoleon Hill was the first to write in this theme..... a really pioneer.
All other writers takes from him the inspiration.
The deep of thinking in Napoleon Hill it is only in rare great writers.
 

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Ha Ha, +1. Never finished it either. I couldn't finish 4HWW either. I'm just one opinion though, the market is the ultimate jury.
If you think about what was happening in the western world when that book was written, you will understand why it was most likely written. It is quite possible that Mr Hill was just capitalising on a great opportunity, and I personally think that is why he wrote it.

Any normal, non-critical thinking individual, living through a depression, will most likely jump at the idea of thinking and growing rich.

Just my thoughts and I may be in-correct, but I always found it interesting that the book was written just before the end of the Great Depression.
 

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My problem with TAGR is the "cult" surrounding napoleon hill, People think he unlocked the ONE SECRET to getting rich and he's sharing it with everyone. in summary, his book tells people: think about something you want often enough, in this case being rich, and eventually, it'll happen.

here's something really funny:

Napoleon Hill didn't get rich by believing he would, he was a fraud, a scam artist, and a salesman that wrote some bullshit in a book and sold it to millions of people.

don't believe me? here's a rundown:
  • In his first job as an author for the news, He would make up stories whenever something interesting wasn't happening.
  • He then made a lumber business where he would buy lumber on credit, Never pay the suppliers, and then sell it to others.
  • After his fraudulent lumber plan fell apart, he moved to Washington and opened an automotive school, where people would pay him to learn how to work on cars. But really he would use them as free labor to build vehicles he could sell. And after he found out they couldn't build cars well, he turns it into an MLM, where the students could refer other people to the school and earn more money for each person they brought in.
  • He lent out money to students so they could pay him for the school, with a 5% interest.
  • After his school got busted, he moved, got married, and then opened up a "self help" school which taught people the secrets to success
  • In reality, the school was a scheme to sell stock to investors, the company it was under was worth $1000 or so, but he would sell shares to business owners evaluated at $100,000 or more.
  • He then KEPT the money people invested in the school, and never paid them back.
  • After this, he started a charity that was supposed to help inmates recover and become good members of society, when really he started it so he could get one of his mail fraud buddies out of jail. and he also took donations for the charity, but pocketed 100% of them and never gave them to the prison.
  • he then wrote his book "the law of success" which lied about him meeting Andrew Carnegie, being an advisor for Woodrow Wilson, and being an advisor for Franklin Delano Roosevelt.
  • He goes bankrupt after spending all the money for this book, writes another book about success called "think and grow rich" and that starts selling like crazy.
  • he spends all the money from think and grow rich, and becomes bankrupt for a second time
Essentially, napoleon hill's whole life was full of scams. He continued creating new schemes up until he died in 1821. Napoleon Hill isn't even his real name. his name was Oliver, and he used Napoleon because he was scared for his life of police and government authorities catching him for all his fraudulent activities.

If you want to read more about it (trust me there's A LOT more), Here's an article over the research of napoleon hills life: https://paleofuture.gizmodo.com/the-untold-story-of-napoleon-hill-the-greatest-self-he-1789385645

What I'm trying to say here isn't that Think and grow rich is a terrible book, it teaches you about self-confidence and the mindset of setting goals for yourself. but after learning about the author, It's hard for me to believe that the book actually helps you, but instead makes you feel good, and motivates you about entrepreneurship.

Bottom line: people love what they want to hear. The reason people love TAGR is that it plays to their wet dream of getting rich doing nothing. they think: "there are secrets to success, and this book tells me that I can get there by simply willing it to happen... I've found the jackpot!"
which is probably why everyone shares it around so much. Even though, the author of the book didn't sit there and will for success to come his way. In truth, the author built a Fastlane business selling people lies about becoming rich.
 
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One thing I forgot to mention (i'm very passionate about this topic as you can tell)

we have a major problem today with gurus and motivational speakers. Napoleon hill essentially invented the "self-help" industry, People hold him on a pedestal. His influence is everywhere, his influence is in "the law of attraction" and tony robbins, His influence is on people that buy lottery tickets, it's everywhere. Most Gurus today are all their own little napoleon hills, they're all great at feeding to people's hopes to get rich and selling them what they want to hear.

Hill's book is filled with simple truths about what drives humans behavior.

Nothing happens that wasn't first an idea in someone's head.

He emphasized the importance of ideas and imagination.

The book is authored for the "the drifter", someone with no goals, ambition or confidence.


Hills formula is this:
Desire + confidence + a plan = action = result.

He advocates doing what marketers and copywriters do to build desire and confidence.

Does sales copy create desire within people that causes them to act by making a purchase? Yes, it's indisputable.

If the affirmations were written by good copywriters and people were exposed to them regularly then I'm certain they would be effective for most people. Same as advertisements.

The problem is, most people aren't good at writing good sales copy, so whatever they write to sell themselves on the merits of pursuing a goal isn't convincing enough.

The book cashvertising is praised on this forum, and most of its content is using language and emotion to stir a desire within consumers. Hill is advocating the same thing to stir a desire of your own choosing in yourself.

Now, sure lots of wealthy folks never needed self-suggestion or affirmations to form a desire or confidence, but they still had those two ingredients that Hill says are necessary. Then with those two they executed a plan. Hill says faith is the most important ingredient, faith = confidence. Faith stirs action, doesn't matter if it's a lie. Faith is what keeps people buying lotto tickets after a lifetime of failure.

You have to recognize guys like Musk, Bezos, Gates, they had a definite goal, a desire, and confidence in themselves and their ideas.

It doesn't matter what Hill did with his life, truth is truth, the life choices and behavior of the author don't necessarily make his claims false.

Even con artists have desire and confidence, it makes them successful too.

The book is about controlling your own thoughts and beliefs, because those are what all of your actions stem from.
 

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Yes, purchased the book today. B & N bookstore has it on sale for $9.00. Its a classic. I had to read it at least 10 times over a period of years before I took it seriously. You will study it, make it a project, and the follow instructions if and only if you are ready. When you read the book for the 2nd time, think of some past experiences that were successful for you. Think of the process you went through to achieve that success as you read the book.
Please let me know what happens after you read the book.
 
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The only way to become wealthy is to take action; start a business, then work every day to make that business successful, develop a talent that you can market, etc.

Or hitch a ride on the back of a talented entrepreneur like a parasite. Our capitalistic system allows for this.

Best regards.
 

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I read Think and Grow Rich about a couple years ago, when I basically spent every night trolling the internet until 4 am after work. I was learning about a lot of Law of Attraction 'stuff', as well as affiliate marketing and how to start businesses on the internet, so naturally I found this book eventually.

For me, there wasnt too much about it that was really memorable. As mentioned before, there was a lot of fluff, and a lot of the exercizes I had completely forgotten about until I re-read about them in this thread. I think it was because the exersizes are designed to change how you think and feel, not nessecerily what you do. Subconsiously, I think I realized this and filtered out the advice.

People can only seem to sum this book up as, "think more positively and youll make more money." And the actual means of how to translate this into doing something that makes money is left rather vauge, giving you an impression that your thinking is wrong in some way, and because of that, the energies that permeate the universe won't shift future events in your favor that give you money. Which... really tells you nothing about starting a business.

Now, I'm all for thinking positively and all, its kinda hard to get anything done when youre all depressed and moping around feeling sorry for yourself.. but the kind of thinking the author of think and grow rich is talking about is more on a subconscious level, where your daily habits are formed. What he is asking the reader to do though, is make a monumental change in their deepest thought processes, which can be extremely hard to do. And without solid direction to go in (or 5 convenient Laws of businesses to follow), it's easy to see why most people try to apply the principals in this book and fail.

As far as why everybody likes it? I imagine it's because it's a spiritual marketers dream. Its an old book, so copyright laws allow it to circulate more freely I imagine, it combines the law of Attraction and making money into one great package, and gurus can make themselves look good.. "Look at the book I'M clued into! I bring it to you now my followers, as if they were commandments chiseled into stone slabs." Also, because its old, it automatically makes it that much more mysterious and interesting.

That's just my personal take on it though. IMO, this book DOES still have its merits on some of the psychology behind becoming richer, but it's dated, the concepts seem to evade the end goal, and the language doesn't hit as hard in the same way as MJ's book does. As far as which of the two books provide a much more realistic, executable and grounded approach to making money, no question MJ's book is much better in all those areas.
 
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Right! Just because you have a constant focused desire doesn't mean you'll inevitably become rich. I've always noticed that, either in the fastlane or slowlane, the people who worked the most made the most. It's called the Law of Getting Off Your a$$(LoGOYA), and it's not called the "Secret" but the Damned Obvious Truth!

Yes but you are not going to GOYA unless you have a desire to do so. And it's not true that the people who work the most make the most. I know way too many people who work their asses off and have nothing to show for it. They have no DESIRE to get rich. They WANT to be rich but lack the DESIRE to get there. Just because you work your a$$ off doesn't mean you'll make more money.

The point is that if you desire something bad enough and you will stop at nothing to get it, then eventually you will get it. It may be true that not all people with desire will become rich but I'm sure an overwhelming majority do. I'm also sure that if you don't have the desire then you will not become rich, unless by some fluke chance you win the lottery or inherit money.
 
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Yes but you are not going to GOYA unless you have a desire to do so. And it's not true that the people who work the most make the most. I know way too many people who work their asses off and have nothing to show for it. They have no DESIRE to get rich. They WANT to be rich but lack the DESIRE to get there. Just because you work your a$$ off doesn't mean you'll make more money.

The point is that if you desire something bad enough and you will stop at nothing to get it, then eventually you will get it. It may be true that not all people with desire will become rich but I'm sure an overwhelming majority do. I'm also sure that if you don't have the desire then you will not become rich, unless by some fluke chance you win the lottery or inherit money.
Good point. I suppose if you want something bad enough you may do anything to get there. I agree there at least has to be a desire, otherwise there's no point of going out and working to get rich. And considering the demands this pursuit has, the potential sacrifices you have to make, you have to almost want it more than anything.
 

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You know this thread is funny because I thought I was the only person that thought this book was completely forgettable. I find it so ironic that Napoleon Hill died pretty close to penniless. I mean really, what does this say about how well his doctrine works?
 

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Nothing more motivating than having a large paycheck no longer show up in your bank account every 2 weeks. I'm getting anxious just thinking about it.

Actually sounds exhilarating and exciting!
 

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Try listening to 'The Strangest Secret in the World'. I'd be curious to know what you guys think of that?

I can understand why some feel the way they do. When I read 'The Secret', it completely felt that way, but 'Think and Grow Rich' and the above audio recording go much deeper than that for me.. and I can honestly say this..

I found the above recording last year and decided to pursue IM and "make" it work. I posted "$100 a day" everywhere... all over my house, my car, my gym locker.. you name it. It's been almost a year now and I just hit the $3000 a month ($100 a day) the first time last month. So.. I really believe in these principles. They're all about consistent focus and giving energy to creating things.. which is a proven law. It's an odd concept, but one that works.

Great post though. I enjoyed reading the views of all!
 

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Try listening to 'The Strangest Secret in the World'. I'd be curious to know what you guys think of that?

I can understand why some feel the way they do. When I read 'The Secret', it completely felt that way, but 'Think and Grow Rich' and the above audio recording go much deeper than that for me.. and I can honestly say this..

I found the above recording last year and decided to pursue IM and "make" it work. I posted "$100 a day" everywhere... all over my house, my car, my gym locker.. you name it. It's been almost a year now and I just hit the $3000 a month ($100 a day) the first time last month. So.. I really believe in these principles. They're all about consistent focus and giving energy to creating things.. which is a proven law. It's an odd concept, but one that works.

Great post though. I enjoyed reading the views of all!

The only law that is proven is the law of doing what is right for you.

While, Olympic track, and, field runner used to do the same thing as you. I feel like it is better to cut your time in half by just doing the thing you want to accomplish. Affirmations, and, such becomes another crutch, that's why many people fail in their lives. If they spent less time looking for motivations, and, just directly get to the nitty gritty they'd leap frog to success.

Ask yourself what is it you want, and, get to getting it. No need to have seances, and, s%$#. JUST DO IT!!
 

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The only law that is proven is the law of doing what is right for you.

While, Olympic track, and, field runner used to do the same thing as you. I feel like it is better to cut your time in half by just doing the thing you want to accomplish. Affirmations, and, such becomes another crutch, that's why many people fail in their lives. If they spent less time looking for motivations, and, just directly get to the nitty gritty they'd leap frog to success.

Ask yourself what is it you want, and, get to getting it. No need to have seances, and, s%$#. JUST DO IT!!



True. When it comes down to it, you know what you need to do so just do it! If you have an idea for a business, get started on it; don't sit around trying to motivate yourself to take action; just take action!
 
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I can't read past the fourth chapter on this book. Its so much fluff. That whole law of secret was based on this. Why are people raving about it so much? Looking in the mirror, saying affirmations does not make you rich.

True that. The book is the embodiment of the phrase "necessary but not sufficient".

Yes, all successful people had some sort of vision. So have millions of poor people who never try, and millions of people who have tried to become successful but failed. Success requires more than "just" a strong desire.

There's no magic power that'll ensure your success. For all I know, I can work 20 years on my vision and get hit by a car before I complete it. Uncertainty is a part of business. Deal with it or quit.

Ironically, some of the popular motivational stuff, e.g., "The Strangest Secret" was originally written to keep salespeople selling overpriced/bad products (Amway, Holiday Magic) from quitting, not because of some miraculous scientific discovery. Decide for yourselves whether that's something you want to spend time with or not.
 
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The parallel between "interest" (want) and "commitment" (desire) -- everyone is interested; the commitment part is where the winners are made.



That is because mathematics cannot be debated. This thread is debated because "affirmations" "thinking positive" and "desire" are all ambiguous ideas that cannot be proved. Mathematics are absolute and 2+2 always = 4.

In Fastlane terms, show me someone who has impacted the lives of millions, and I will show you a millionaire, or a soon-to-be millionaire.

A great example is Rebecca Black. Her stupid little jingle touched the lives of millions in a small way (some will argue negatively) and yes, she might not have made millions on the jingle, but now she is a worldwide, leveraged personable brand. I'm sure she has an agent. I'm sure her appearance fees are not $50/hour but maybe $5,000. How did this happen? Thinking positively? Having a vision? Desire? Nope -- it was done by numbers -- she put herself in a position of exposure to MILLIONS.

Mathematics are difficult to argue, and it is the true law of the universe.



The formula is often over-complicated much like weight loss -- eat right and exercise. Bam. End of story. I think the formula for wealth is as simple and not much different.

For me, you hit the nail right on the head. Money is a numbers game. The more people you can help, the more money you make. Anything beyond that is waxing philosophical. It may be fun and entertaining but it is not helpful for those who are seeking to accomplish what you have done.
 
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I can't speak for everyone else in this forum, but here's why I'm enjoying it:

1) It was free on itunes for me to download
2) It seems to have that Dale Carnegie feel (I think How to Win Friends and Influence People was written around the same time)
3) Nothing about what he's saying seems particularly harassing to the intellect
4) I'm enjoying reading the book

Then again, I'm one of those lost souls who really likes Tony Robbins, so take that how you wish.
 

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Thanks for the great comments yall. Unbelievable, it took me an hour to read this whole thread lol (yep, I really enjoyed it).

I always thought 'DESIRE/PASSION/BELIEF' and 'ACTION' work together e.g. FAITH without DEEDS is useless. The numbers game make so much sense though. I think MJ mentioned this on his youtube videos 'ACTION TAKING' for the right reason. Someone mentioned a good example about a 'burning desire' to sculpture your body. I can concur because I know what it's like to train and achieve the goal but also making it a lifestyle even to this very day.

Wow, I'm still learning how to execute CENTS lol....well I don't intend to lose my desire to go Fastlane ;). Hope everyone is still doing well with their entrepreneurial endeavor :)
 
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It works.... That's why.. I always knew what I wanted to do with my life at one time I was living paycheck to paycheck lost in life

I read think and grow rich applied the principles. With persistence and since I now have 60 ,000 am about to open my own business a few days away and every aspect of my life has improved.... I still listen to the audiobook one chapter every morning during my morning routine and when I work out in my iPod. ..it works anyone who reads it should do themselves the favor... I promise if you apply the principles it will work..... I owe everything to that book and persistence!!!! I literally thought and am still growing rich!!
 

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It's the precursor to "The Secret", which is a good book for different purposes.

It's BE > DO > HAVE. Most people haven't even gotten to the BE part yet. That's what Think and Grow Rich and The Secret are for. Problem is, most people stop there when they realize that what lies ahead in the DO stage is hard work.

I admit that I couldn't read TAGR the way through. It's too long and too boring. I read Rich Dad Poor Dad at 14 and that book recommended TAGR, but it was just so long and had too much fluff. I got the gist of it but... man. The concepts are NOT outdated, despite the book having been written before the economic boom of the 1950s.
 
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I found it painful to read and could not finish it. I do not understand how it gets so much praise.
 

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