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She Left a $60k Job to Freelance (with a twist)..

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I applaud your wife. Tell her congrats from me.

I only clicked for the title though, well done @Lex DeVille .
 

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When I started this thread, I said:



I also said my wife started on Upwork and that was true. I went on to describe how she moved away from Upwork, and the types of things she branched into. But I was also vague about those things because if I got into specifics, the conversation would change from "this is so inspiring" to a much different one.

Over the past several months I've dropped little hints here and there about what we've been up to. Now I'm going to reveal the whole picture because she gave me her blessing and because I'm going to start a separate progress thread eventually.

Warning: This May Prove Too Scandalous For Some Of You

So here's what she's been up to.

My Wife's OnlyFans Business
She started as a freelancer on Upwork but decided to launch an OnlyFans on my suggestion. She was creating adult content for free already, so having an OF account just made sense. At first, she was selling content and products for individual customers (another type of freelance) but soon recurring subscriptions became her primary source of income. From there, she expanded with other products and services for her user base.

Becoming a Mini-Celebrity
By constantly adjusting her marketing and promotions and doing what other models won't, she grew fast. She dropped from the top 50% to the top 20% to the top 5% and now she is in the top 1% of all creators with just under 1,000 paid subscribers. Additionally, she achieved mini-celebrity status on a major adult forum which gave her a nice boost.

Hovering Just Under Six-Figures
She didn't cross the 5-figure mark in March like I expected, but her income is fluctuating between about $6,500 and $8,000 per month. $8,333 is the per month mark for six figures if I remember correctly.

Expanding
She may come in here and talk about this soon, currently, she's working on ways to grow this to the next level. She's in the process of hiring one or more VAs, expanding to multiple platforms beyond OnlyFans, and looking at ways to improve her workflow for speed and efficiency.

So that's the thread's big twist.

We probably could've picked up without all of this explanation, but I felt like this needed to be clarified to avoid any misunderstandings or hurt feelings.

If you have any questions just ask. :)
Thanks lex for posting this
 

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When I started this thread, I said:



I also said my wife started on Upwork and that was true. I went on to describe how she moved away from Upwork, and the types of things she branched into. But I was also vague about those things because if I got into specifics, the conversation would change from "this is so inspiring" to a much different one.

Over the past several months I've dropped little hints here and there about what we've been up to. Now I'm going to reveal the whole picture because she gave me her blessing and because I'm going to start a separate progress thread eventually.

Warning: This May Prove Too Scandalous For Some Of You

So here's what she's been up to.

My Wife's OnlyFans Business
She started as a freelancer on Upwork but decided to launch an OnlyFans on my suggestion. She was creating adult content for free already, so having an OF account just made sense. At first, she was selling content and products for individual customers (another type of freelance) but soon recurring subscriptions became her primary source of income. From there, she expanded with other products and services for her user base.

Becoming a Mini-Celebrity
By constantly adjusting her marketing and promotions and doing what other models won't, she grew fast. She dropped from the top 50% to the top 20% to the top 5% and now she is in the top 1% of all creators with just under 1,000 paid subscribers. Additionally, she achieved mini-celebrity status on a major adult forum which gave her a nice boost.

Hovering Just Under Six-Figures
She didn't cross the 5-figure mark in March like I expected, but her income is fluctuating between about $6,500 and $8,000 per month. $8,333 is the per month mark for six figures if I remember correctly.

Expanding
She may come in here and talk about this soon, currently, she's working on ways to grow this to the next level. She's in the process of hiring one or more VAs, expanding to multiple platforms beyond OnlyFans, and looking at ways to improve her workflow for speed and efficiency.

So that's the thread's big twist.

We probably could've picked up without all of this explanation, but I felt like this needed to be clarified to avoid any misunderstandings or hurt feelings.

If you have any questions just ask. :)
Thats great!
edith: a friend is looking for a similar opportunity. And that OnlyFans looks like a perfect way. I m looking forward for more information!
 
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No it isn't, you both shot off at Prince for offering what is a fairly reasoned view on the market because it's now personal for you both and clearly an emotional subject.

I cast no judgement, my network does all sorts of stuff and a few of my closest friends have been on the cam girl and onlyfans promotion scene for a long time - but the type of work people do does matter to people outside of your sandbox in America.

My friends as an example have found it surprisingly difficult to maneuver in deeply religious countries despite their wealth and the past has followed a few of the girls too - not just crazed stalkers etc that you have to deal with - but also access to traditional opportunities - remember that in a woman's world reputation destruction is the war game as Jordan Peterson likes to quip - so to act as though there's not another side to the industry is biased, and one would say understandably so in your cases.

However stating that the results are more important than the type of work a person does is a slippery slope.

But that's probably me manifesting some deep seated subliminal insecurities and/or inadequacies ;)
Actually, I don't think that's a manifestation of something deeper I think that's a perfectly rational viewpoint. I'm a fan of Peterson myself and I think that he is absolutely right about that. Though I will say that due to those viewpoints in highly religious countries are the reasons that we would never move there or visit.

Now thinking about it I would say it is a somewhat slippery slope to say results are more important than the type of work. The most successful meth dealer in the world would not be someone to look up to for advice or otherwise so in terms of that, I think you are right.

Though I still stand by the instances of my wife and Lex's that it is still something to be admired.
(I would like to clarify though that my wife's streams are not sexual in nature)
 

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Any social media freelancing is heavily dependent on looks. Sorry just the way it is. A middle age man can have the best marketing and do the most research but I doubt he'll rise to the 1% on onlyfans. Women dominate those spaces because men are willing to pay for the eye candy.
 

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Any form of marketing or web/app development will continue to be in-demand for the foreseeable future. I don't know much about the different coding languages, but anyone who can code/create niche software, or who specializes in using niche software stands a chance to carve out a good position for themselves.

Either be the person who can build the next ActiveCampaign (SAAS), or be the person who knows how to use it a little bit better than everyone else. Both of those people are indispensable in the freelance world and can scale to the moon with many clients, or with just a few clients who pay a lot of money to solve their problem.

A couple of things to consider though:

1. Scalable skills may not necessarily be the fastest to make money with.
2. Where money comes easy, there is usually more competition.
3. It's scary going the niche route, and even though it's usually a faster path to success as a freelancer, most people won't even try it to find out if it works for them.

If I started over today, I would offer custom email funnel automation services, not copywriting or web design. Doesn't have to be through ActiveCampaign, but that's where I would specialize since I have years of experience there. All of the email marketing services have hundreds of thousands of users though, and all of those people need someone who specializes in their particular system to help them set it up, fix problems, or manage it so they don't have to.
@Lex DeVille How would you go about pricing custom email funnel automations? Hourly, retainer, project-based, rev share?

How would you determine scope of projects and deal with scope creep when things come up that you and/or client didnt see beforehand?

Would you build those automations on client ActiveCampaign account or your own?


I was doing custom websites and pricing was one of the things that I struggled with. Couldnt estimate properly how many hours project will take and almost always I was working double of what I assumed.

Also struggled with pricing smaller tasks (fixing contanct forms, exciting content on pages, etc)

Would love to know your thoughts since your threads and posts inspired me to start freelancing!
 
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"Work hard and be successful at freelancing" - that was never the message of this thread. If that was your takeaway, then you misinterpreted the thread from the start.

If someone is disappointed because they wanted freelance hand-holding, they could try any of my numerous GOLD and Notable freelance hand-holding threads or even my YouTube freelance hand-holding channel or perhaps the free freelance discord server where I help freelancers every single day that is listed in my signature.

Some of your statements are not completely false, but there is a lot of misinformation in your post. My best guess is that it is a subliminal manifestation of insecurities/inadequacies.
  • Hard work does not = success
  • Some people charging low rates does not mean others can't charge high rates
  • More people on OnlyFans/Upwork does not mean either is saturated
  • Being female might have perks, but it doesn't make or break the business model
  • Being older does not mean a model can't continue a successful career
  • Doing the filthiest kink does not guarantee money
  • Just because this thread's definition of freelancing expands beyond your own definition, does not mean that it is not about freelancing. The same skills that make any freelancer successful apply here as well.
I notice you said "I flipped clips in the kink scene. Lots of money to be made there" instead of saying, "I made lots of money flipping clips in the kink scene." I don't know if you'll try to walk those words back, but it won't change the reality that was already revealed.

The fact is, all business is hard. All entrepreneurs must constantly adapt and evolve their processes and approaches if they want to stay relevant and profitable. The people who will make it... will make it. Those who make excuses, won't.

Don't hate the player. Hate the game. :cool:
I'm pretty sure I'm 1/2 your age. I've no qualms about women twerking for a living. Its surely on the rise in my generation. But you making it sound like Im appalled your wife does whatever it is she does for money in the sex scene, is silly. Im a 00s kid and 10s teen. I saw stuff most millennials and Gen X saw in their 30s as a kid. Cause I was raised on the internet. 2 girls 1 cup and viral video of a guy doing CBTorture to himself was a pastime of youth in the late 00s. Idk why youre making me out like im some boomer. Id argue I know more about the sexual dark world than you. East and West(there is a difference btw).

My point was
A) This is the sex industry. No being a woman doesnt mean you make/break it but lets not kid ourselves and act like the average guy would have a easy time making money in this scene. But an average woman can. Especially when even most women are struggling now compared to the 10s. Youre a wise man Lex, and much older than me; dont need to explain how men on average wont be able to do what a woman can in the tricking/sex game. And never have.

B) (redacted)

C) No, I didnt make much money flipping clips. But it was a start. Somewhere you were once too. And considering I was in my early/mid 20s I dont consider it a bad thing for one of my first business ideas. Im a bit disappointed by your vanity and character with that one but considering you may have taken offense to what I said about your wife Ill let it pass. Id be mad too if I felt a guy insulted my woman.

D) Yeah plenty people do extreme content and get nowhere. Theres sites I can share to represent it. But I never said it did guarantee money?

E) Hustle hustle hustle, work work work, grind grind grind, only the apex alpha top percent high value men will make it to the top! If you dont wanna succeed as much as you wanna BREATHE, you wont make it!(Ray Lewis) I sound sarcastic but I actually believe that. Its why I failed multiple times and why most give up. But that's late 10s online guruism thatll go down in nostalgia come the 2030s. We learned from all the fba gurus, youtube gurus, ecommerce gurus etc etc you need a lot more than just hustle to have a successful business. And many learned the hard way, myself included. Capital, a strategy, experience, patience, and possibly even a mentor is required. I wish that wasnt just my opinion. Unless youre just a woman showing body parts to horny sexually frustrated thirsty dudes in modern western civilization where paying money for feet pics is the norm. Ha, I kid. Kinda. (we're doomed)

Anyways. Happy for your Lex. Keep hustlin, keep pimpin'. Im in your discord BTW but you guys get so deep in there my questions I feel would be scoffed at. I also havent decided what I wanna learn yet. But I appreciate all the content youve dropped on the YT channel. Ill admit it takes balls to be a good freelancer. Because you have to believe in yourself. Something I didnt know was so hard to do till my late 20s. My perspective has changed a lot in a year so my original response isnt as valid.

Also kudos to changing your direction on open relationships. I surely agree with that.

Love from Latvia,
Some random dood online
 
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If you think women end up in the sex work industry as some sort of last resort because they can't make it anywhere else, you're living under a rock. Women have every advantage over men when it comes to influence and persuasion. There is no woman on this planet who couldn't secure a high-paying job if she really wanted to.

Some of my opinions about how empowering sex work is have changed since I created this thread. I believe it can be empowering and liberating; however, I also think the work can quickly cross boundaries into unhealthy places when those who are prone to addictive behavioral patterns get swept up in the limelight and move toward extremes in order to maintain the same levels of attention and sales.

Someone warned me of this at one point. I believe it was @Simon Angel but I'm not 100% sure of that.

I discovered this thread and I loved it.

Its not easy to be in top 1% in any field. OF has its own challenges, one of which is judgement of people.
 
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I discovered this thread and I loved it.

Its not easy to be in top 1% in any field. OF has its own challenges, one of which is judgement of people.
My opinions and perspectives are in a constant state of flux. Having reflected on this path and my worldviews, I still think OF is a valid business opportunity for those who don't want to follow traditional approaches.

Addictive behavioral patterns can happen to anyone, so I don't know how correct it is to describe OF as a problem for those who are prone to addictive behaviors. The challenge, in my view, is in overcoming the marketing aspect. Going more and more extreme is not a good approach to OF even if it might work in the short-term.

A better approach is to build a brand around yourself, automate marketing systems, and find an offer that can be produced ongoing that keeps people wanting more. That's not necessarily nude content as that's expected from subscribers. Something else, like bedtime whispers, or weekly personal stories from the creators life, etc.

Nude content is the hook that draws horny people in. Once the fun wears off... Then you need something else to keep them around.

- Who do they become by joining you?
- How do I solidify that identity?
- What are their opportunities to *feel* closer to you?
- What status opportunities are there?
- How can they increase in status over others?
- What rewards are there for contributing more than others?
- What else can I sell them (i.e. merch)?
- How do I systematize and automate all of that stuff?
- How do I take back more control in this process?

Those are some questions I would ask if I participated in OF again, especially, as an individual.
 

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My wife isn't a member on this board, so I'm posting for her.

Back in February, she started freelancing. She's never had a side hustle. Never started a business. Never freelanced. She had a $60k salary at her full-time job. In her first month freelancing, she closed around $100 and doubted it was worth her time. Toward the end of March, when the pandemic picked up, she asked her employer to let her work from home. They refused. She quit.

Now we're in November. She never went back to a job. Instead, this month she'll pull $4,500 and may break $5,000 for the first time. Over the course of one year, she's doubled her income about once every three months. Today she works from home with me full-time and I'd be lying if I said I wasn't impressed.

She has the advantage of being around someone with a business mindset who trains freelancers. But I've provided little overall support in terms of advice. She simply hasn't asked for it, except when she's really stuck. Instead, she just looks at what others are doing and figures out how to be better.

The most noticeable takeaways I've seen from her progress are:
  • She went all-in even when she didn't know if it would work
  • She focused on daily action
  • She studied others and tested new ideas
  • She got rid of stuff that didn't work fast
  • She's committed to excellence in her deliverables
  • She committed to doing things others won't do to land clients
  • She took risks instead of cowering from them
  • She stuck with it for the long-haul
This month will be the first time she's fully replaced her old income. I don't think she'll stop there. Instead, she's likely to cross six-figures in 2021, and I think she'll see a 5-figure monthly income by March. She loves what she's doing, and when she commits to something, she has a one-track mind that lets her stay focused.

Anyway, thought I'd share this win this morning. It's pretty cool that we both work on our own terms, and neither of us works anywhere near full-time. She works a couple of hours per day, and I don't consider what I do to be work. Most days we spend with our daughter. Teach her things. Go to the park or for ice cream while others are at work.

Freelancing is still viable as a way to replace income. Doesn't have to be through Upwork. You just have to commit to figuring it out and make it happen. Stop making excuses.
Thank you for this beautiful story. I applaud her courage and her will to push forward even when she didn't know If It would work.

Also, Being present in my future kids' life and see them grow is one of my main Why's to be an entrepreneur.

P.S: I'm 22 so I don't plan on having any kids as of now
 

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Strange thread. It went from a woman quitting her job, to copywriting as a side business and then selling her body on sex-sites.

I’m confused lol.
 

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Strange thread. It went from a woman quitting her job, to copywriting as a side business and then selling her body on sex-sites.

I’m confused lol.
Then my life's mission to create chaos and drama is fulfilled!
 
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My perspective has changed a lot in a year so my original response isnt as valid.
Mine too. Mostly I just wish this thread would die, but I'll never request that because I think there are valuable lessons and perspectives that might be useful for someone someday.
 

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How was she allowed on Upwork without getting banned? I thought this platform doesn't allow porn niche.

For people who complain that it's easy for good looking women to make lots of money like that, you probably have some strength that allows you to make money easier than most people in certain niches, but you haven't figured it out yet.

How many women are jealous of their male colleagues in sports who earn a lot more because they can perform a lot better? Heck, even the women's sports start being dominated by ******men****** as well.

The world is not fair and we need to play our cards as best as we can. You guys don't need to make 5 figures a month working 2 hours a day. Maybe your fulfilment comes from working 10 hours in a quiet sheep farm with little technology, noise and distractions.

The moral argument is a different beast though. I guess it sucks if other children at school start showing pictures of naked mommy to your daughter, but I guess that's a price that Mrs Deville knew she would pay.

There are people who do far less 'degrading' jobs but they hide a lot more skeletons in their closets compared to a top OnlySimps model.
 

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My wife isn't a member on this board, so I'm posting for her.

Back in February, she started freelancing. She's never had a side hustle. Never started a business. Never freelanced. She had a $60k salary at her full-time job. In her first month freelancing, she closed around $100 and doubted it was worth her time. Toward the end of March, when the pandemic picked up, she asked her employer to let her work from home. They refused. She quit.

Now we're in November. She never went back to a job. Instead, this month she'll pull $4,500 and may break $5,000 for the first time. Over the course of one year, she's doubled her income about once every three months. Today she works from home with me full-time and I'd be lying if I said I wasn't impressed.

She has the advantage of being around someone with a business mindset who trains freelancers. But I've provided little overall support in terms of advice. She simply hasn't asked for it, except when she's really stuck. Instead, she just looks at what others are doing and figures out how to be better.

The most noticeable takeaways I've seen from her progress are:
  • She went all-in even when she didn't know if it would work
  • She focused on daily action
  • She studied others and tested new ideas
  • She got rid of stuff that didn't work fast
  • She's committed to excellence in her deliverables
  • She committed to doing things others won't do to land clients
  • She took risks instead of cowering from them
  • She stuck with it for the long-haul
This month will be the first time she's fully replaced her old income. I don't think she'll stop there. Instead, she's likely to cross six-figures in 2021, and I think she'll see a 5-figure monthly income by March. She loves what she's doing, and when she commits to something, she has a one-track mind that lets her stay focused.

Anyway, thought I'd share this win this morning. It's pretty cool that we both work on our own terms, and neither of us works anywhere near full-time. She works a couple of hours per day, and I don't consider what I do to be work. Most days we spend with our daughter. Teach her things. Go to the park or for ice cream while others are at work.

Freelancing is still viable as a way to replace income. Doesn't have to be through Upwork. You just have to commit to figuring it out and make it happen. Stop making excuses.

My wife isn't a member on this board, so I'm posting for her.

Back in February, she started freelancing. She's never had a side hustle. Never started a business. Never freelanced. She had a $60k salary at her full-time job. In her first month freelancing, she closed around $100 and doubted it was worth her time. Toward the end of March, when the pandemic picked up, she asked her employer to let her work from home. They refused. She quit.

Now we're in November. She never went back to a job. Instead, this month she'll pull $4,500 and may break $5,000 for the first time. Over the course of one year, she's doubled her income about once every three months. Today she works from home with me full-time and I'd be lying if I said I wasn't impressed.

She has the advantage of being around someone with a business mindset who trains freelancers. But I've provided little overall support in terms of advice. She simply hasn't asked for it, except when she's really stuck. Instead, she just looks at what others are doing and figures out how to be better.

The most noticeable takeaways I've seen from her progress are:
  • She went all-in even when she didn't know if it would work
  • She focused on daily action
  • She studied others and tested new ideas
  • She got rid of stuff that didn't work fast
  • She's committed to excellence in her deliverables
  • She committed to doing things others won't do to land clients
  • She took risks instead of cowering from them
  • She stuck with it for the long-haul
This month will be the first time she's fully replaced her old income. I don't think she'll stop there. Instead, she's likely to cross six-figures in 2021, and I think she'll see a 5-figure monthly income by March. She loves what she's doing, and when she commits to something, she has a one-track mind that lets her stay focused.

Anyway, thought I'd share this win this morning. It's pretty cool that we both work on our own terms, and neither of us works anywhere near full-time. She works a couple of hours per day, and I don't consider what I do to be work. Most days we spend with our daughter. Teach her things. Go to the park or for ice cream while others are at work.

Freelancing is still viable as a way to replace income. Doesn't have to be through Upwork. You just have to commit to figuring it out and make it happen. Stop making excuses.
Amazing !
 

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