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Ongoing phenomena: Shops closing/bankrupt in my country...

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Hey everyone how's it going...
So I just wanted to touch on somethings that are currently happening here in Jordan and maybe get some of your views on it.

Some of you might of seen my post last year talking about how my local grocery shop was no longer generating enough sales/revenue/profit and how I was ranting on and on and how it felt like it's going downhill from that time. It felt like I couldn't do much to be honest, it was like people were buying less and less, but it was seemed kind of ironic since groceries, generally speaking are always bought whether it's a good or a bad economic situation...it felt like I don't have a say/solution to what seemed to be the problem. In fact, I didn't seem to figure out what the hell was the problem to begin with. Loss of revenue is just a side-effect, but I didn't know what was the actual root cause.

Long story short, recently I sold the shop at a low price but it definitely helped get out of some serious shitty contract agreements that my relatives agreed upon when we first took the shop. Anyway that's for another topic.

So after that, I started investigating many different things, such as was it my fault and how I could of done better, as you usually do after you take decisions.

But what I found out was whilst searching, observing and asking places all across the country, is that everyone is taking a hard hit.

I couldn't believe my eyes when I went to a high-traffic down town street market known to be the best in the city, and almost all the shops are either up for sale or for rent or closed. I'm talking 20+ years old businesses which have ads on TV, radio and are very well known across the country.

I couldn't believe it even more when I was in the capital city, and the same phenomena was taking place.

I sat with many big-time wholesalers who told me that in the past 2 years and especially the past year, tons and tons of businessmen who own and operate wholesale shops fled the country in order to run away from debt and cheques that would of easily gotten them long years in jail.

On another note, my cousin is an accountant in a small firm but handles some big 20+ years old companies who trade in millions of dollars a year, which told me they have been losing 30% revenues on a yearly basis for the past two years and are also moving countries.

Funnily enough, that was exactly what was hitting our revenues for the past two years. Around 30% decrease in revenues.

It's a damn outrage in the country at the moment. We are in some type of stag-flation, but it seems like it's just the beginning.

The public schools have been down for the past 3 weeks with hundreds of thousands of student not going to school because the teachers are up in protests demanding 50% income increase and the government is rejecting them, and basically tells them in some type of way: "we are bankrupt, but let's all act like we're not".

The unemployment rate for just around 7 million people is documented at 20%. But some high governmental official says it's definitely more like 40%.

I mean I just moved back here 3 years ago, but everyone seems to say it was never like that before.
The reason I'm writing this thread is to get more opinions on what you think is happening, what to do in similar cases and how would you personally act.

Another reason is, now, according to one of the big-time businessman/accountant in the world called Talal Abu Ghazaleh, who is also Jordanian, and has been at a war of words with the government concerning their economic strategies, is that in around 2020, a global economic crisis that'll spread across the globe will be starting in the U.S, and the U.S is going to eat it hard the most.


Whether you believe it or not, I wanted to get your opinions on what are you going to do if it does happen next year in the U.S and you find yourself in a similar position like most of us here in Jordan?

And by the way, keep in mind Jordan's is a very strong ally of the U.S. And whatever happens in the U.S, always hits hard here too. So don't read my points as an attack on the U.S, because whatever shit goes at your side, will come like a raging bull at our side.
 
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It will not just be Jordan. The old adage "When America sneezes the whole world catches a cold" is too true for comfort. Look what happened with the Subprime market.

As far as bricks and mortar stores are concerned we live in changing, and challenging times.

The world is developing at such a pace business models that seem secure can be outdated in a decade or less. Companies that don't adapt with the times go under. Kodak, Toys R us, Blockbuster. They all had opportunities to pivot and adapt as technology changed the landscape but did too little too late.

In the UK the high street has struggled with the continued dominance of internet shopping and recently the general uncertainty in the markets over Brexit hasn't helped. Big chain stores have had massive issues with falling profits, high staff costs and expensive rent and rates, and it is only going to get worse. Those same issues effect even the smallest stores like you have experienced.

Central locations are moving focus away from retail to entertainment. Restaurants, clubs, bars, coffee houses. Places where you congregate for enjoyment rather than retail purchases because it is more convenient and cheaper to shop online.

When picking a vertical to build your business it's imperative to consider what the landscape will be in a five years, a decade. Will there still be a need for your product or service? Is your vertical liable to bloom or wither? How will it be affected by recession? Can it weather such a storm?

No one has a crystal ball but you can make some well informed guesses before committing your hard earned money.
 
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This is really fascinating. Weird, too, that you almost never see this kind of stuff on the news.

The way you describe it, it sounds like the sort of situation that happens when credit unexpectedly dries up -- like how right before the 2008 financial crisis, it suddenly became difficult to sell a house, even though just months earlier, there might be multiple buyers competing for the same property.

In Jordan, with grocery stores getting hit, too, your situation sounds particularly strange. Are people moving away? Are they buying cheaper food? Were grocery store owners over-leveraged and liquidated while they could? Is some sort of financial crackdown coming, where they felt compelled to get out before it was too late?

Lots to speculate here. It will be interesting to see others' thoughts on this.
 

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It will not just be Jordan. The old adage "When America sneezes the whole world catches cold" is too true for comfort. Look what happened with the Subprime market.

As far as bricks and mortar stores are concerned we live in changing, and challenging times.

The world is developing at such a pace business models that seem secure can be outdated in a decade or less. Companies that don't adapt with the times go under. Kodak, Toys R us, Blockbuster. They all had opportunities to pivot and adapt as technology changed the landscape but did too little too late.

In the UK the high street has struggled with the continued dominance of internet shopping and recently the general uncertainty in the markets over Brexit hasn't helped. Big chain stores have had massive issues with falling profits, high staff costs and expensive rent and rates, and it is only going to get worse. Those same issues effect even the smallest stores like you have experienced.

Central locations are moving focus away from retail to entertainment. Restaurants, clubs, bars, coffee houses. Places where you congregate for enjoyment rather than retail purchases because it is more convenient and cheaper to shop online.

When picking a vertical to build your business it's imperative to consider what the landscape will be in a five years, a decade. Will there still be a need for your product or service? Is your vertical liable to bloom or wither? How will it be affected by recession? Can it weather such a storm?

No one has a crystal ball but you can make some well informed guesses before committing your hard earned money.
Great reply.

I totally agree with you on this. The online world has taken over in almost everything. But let me be clear here, in Jordan it is a developing world. We do have ecommerce but it's something like an accessory in the market. People don't depend on it. It's still in like "prestige" side of the market. Those who use it mostly do it for the looks.
It's weird I know, but I guess that's a stage before it starts becoming mainstream and for convenience, like in the first world. So we are still back on store dependence at this time.

While I agree with you on the resataurants/coffeeshops, The thing is however, even the restaurants and coffeeshops are closing by the dozen every now and then around the country.

Clothes retail shops and the cars zone has been severely raped man. Last year their sales in the first quarter were 70% less than the first quarter of the year before. They definitely were the first to go down hard whilst all other categories watched.

Anyway, great reply again thanks for input.
 
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This is really fascinating. Weird, too, that you almost never see this kind of stuff on the news.

The way you describe it, it sounds like the sort of situation that happens when credit unexpectedly dries up -- like how right before the 2008 financial crisis, it suddenly became difficult to sell a house, even though just months earlier, there might be multiple buyers competing for the same property.

In Jordan, with grocery stores getting hit, too, your situation sounds particularly strange. Are people moving away? Are they buying cheaper food? Were grocery store owners over-leveraged and liquidated while they could? Is some sort of financial crackdown coming, where they felt compelled to get out before it was too late?

Lots to speculate here. It will be interesting to see others' thoughts on this.

Thanks for great reply.

Yes I feel it sounds exactly like what you're saying.

It isn't just the grocery store, it's like everything around you is failing. It's like when the brain shuts down, every other part starts to fail and shutdown even if the heart still shows you're alive on screen.

The property here has been an all time high, but it's stagnated so hard that if you were to sell it it'll take ages. No one is willing to invest. Everyone is holding their cash.

As I mentioned also above, it's in every sector that it's happening, the cars zone, retail, food & drink, property and everything else. Oh and manufacturers, man they're like a haunted zone. Big and huge buildings with no one it except machinery that no one has the will to spend money on them to operate.

Great to hear your view, I agree on thinking this is something very unusual. I mean I've always read about economic crisis but never lived one, this is definitely chaotic to say the least.
 

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Great reply.

I totally agree with you on this. The online world has taken over in almost everything. But let me be clear here, in Jordan it is a developing world. We do have ecommerce but it's something like an accessory in the market. People don't depend on it. It's still in like "prestige" side of the market. Those who use it mostly do it for the looks.
It's weird I know, but I guess that's a stage before it starts becoming mainstream and for convenience, like in the first world. So we are still back on store dependence at this time.

Hey, you know your country way better than I do. The closest I've got to Jordan is Egypt.

So is it due to a countrywide recession? Why is Jordan undergoing economic hardship and what business model would thrive in such a situation? In the UK money lenders (Payday loan companies) and pawn brokers profited big time from the last recession.

Doing a quick search 25% of Jordan exports go to the US so if things are bad now they could get a whole lot worse if the scaremongering about a US recession proves accurate.
 

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Do you have credit abroad? You said that you only went back 3 years ago, if you do have access to capital from abroad then borrow and buy.

At least that's what Buffet said.

If I was in that situation, I guess I'd try to generate capital/income from abroad through the internet or some other vehicle.
 
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Hey, you know your country way better than I do. The closest I've got to Jordan is Egypt.

So is it due to a countrywide recession? Why is Jordan undergoing economic hardship and what business model would thrive in such a situation? In the UK money lenders (Payday loan companies) and pawn brokers profited big time from the last recession.

Doing a quick search 25% of Jordan exports go to the US so if things are bad now they could get a whole lot worse if the scaremongering about a US recession proves accurate.
Yes I actually believe that's the case, going hand in hand with a hardcore corrupt government.

You see when the situation is like this, the government is just trying to stay afloat by hitting businesses and people with highest taxes and austerity laws. Just a week ago, they also hit the eCommerce sector with more than a 100% customs tax on everything, and you need to pay around 10 UK pounds on anything that costs less than 25 pounds for personal use lol!

I'm not really sure, sometimes it just seems like the best option is to try and get the hell out to a petrol based economy like the Gulf, where you know even if the shit goes loose, they will still be in a way better situation than the rest of the world. Wish it was that simple though. What do you think?


Do you have credit abroad? You said that you only went back 3 years ago, if you do have access to capital from abroad then borrow and buy.

At least that's what Buffet said.

If I was in that situation, I guess I'd try to generate capital/income from abroad through the internet or some other vehicle.

That's a great point to be honest. I keep thinking it could be best to try and generate money somehow from the rich countries outside. I admit that it's extremely hard but it's possible with enough hustle.
 

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I am an optimist by nature, but I am become very pessimistic about the world economy. Your situation in Jordan is similar to what is happening in many small countries as well as in large ones.

The suggestion by @100k that you generate income from the rich countries by way of the internet is in my opinion a very good one. There are thousands of non-US residents selling on Amazon USA, and you could probably join them

The two big problems with that are: 1. Competition is fierce so you must provide better value, better products, unique products and/or better marketing in order to compete. 2. That market is likely to continue to decline along with the rest of the world. The compensating factor there is that it will almost certainly remain the biggest market.

Walter
 

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recessions are a smart man's black friday sale.

Just hope I'm in a good position to dump as much cash into it as possible when it happens.
 
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I'm not really sure, sometimes it just seems like the best option is to try and get the hell out to a petrol based economy like the Gulf, where you know even if the shit goes loose, they will still be in a way better situation than the rest of the world.
Nah, not really. Look at what happened after the Saudi oil attacks.

And being from a petrol-producing country myself, it has mostly turned into a cesspool of nepotism and misappropriation of funds and resources, so much that while we do enjoy a pretty decent standard of living, it's not the best we can achieve.

I like the George Gilder concept that economies and wealth in general rely upon the learning curve, in other words, how much time it takes to learn, master and perfect the manufacturing of goods and service. But that shouldn't be just limited to petrol production alone.
 

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