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Hey everyone,

Super excited, I'm actually starting. I just turned 20, four days ago, and joined Rob's FoxWebSchool. I read The Millionaire Fastlane about a year ago, and have been fantasizing about becoming an entrepreneur ever since, but had no idea where to start. So I'm starting with Rob's course, to gain experience and momentum. As a lot of you might already know from here, that program is about using webdesign as a stepping stone into entrepreneurship.

Dropped out of high school at 16 because I didn't like where life was taking me, and since that have been working minimum wage, traveling around the world, and dreaming about starting my own business. No more dreaming! I told my parents, sister and my friends that by this time next year I'm going to be earning enough to live in Manhattan, because that seems to me as probably the best place to really build your business, with all the business folk around.

Anyway, I'll post my progress to keep myself accountable. Step 1: Earn enough to live in Manhattan, through webdesign, by next year. That'll teach me a lot of useful skills. So far, I've learned the basics of website coding, joined the FoxWebSchool Sales Legends program, and found someone to make my first portfolio website for.

Cheers
 

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Hey everyone,

Super excited, I'm actually starting. I just turned 20, four days ago, and joined Rob's FoxWebSchool. I read The Millionaire Fastlane about a year ago, and have been fantasizing about becoming an entrepreneur ever since, but had no idea where to start. So I'm starting with Rob's course, to gain experience and momentum. As a lot of you might already know from here, that program is about using webdesign as a stepping stone into entrepreneurship.

Dropped out of high school at 16 because I didn't like where life was taking me, and since that have been working minimum wage, traveling around the world, and dreaming about starting my own business. No more dreaming! I told my parents, sister and my friends that by this time next year I'm going to be earning enough to live in Manhattan, because that seems to me as probably the best place to really build your business, with all the business folk around.

Anyway, I'll post my progress to keep myself accountable. Step 1: Earn enough to live in Manhattan, through webdesign, by next year. That'll teach me a lot of useful skills. So far, I've learned the basics of website coding, joined the FoxWebSchool Sales Legends program, and found someone to make my first portfolio website for.

Cheers
Good stuff, stay persistent and consistent and I have no doubt you will achieve your goal. All the best.
 

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Hey everyone,

Super excited, I'm actually starting. I just turned 20, four days ago, and joined Rob's FoxWebSchool. I read The Millionaire Fastlane about a year ago, and have been fantasizing about becoming an entrepreneur ever since, but had no idea where to start. So I'm starting with Rob's course, to gain experience and momentum. As a lot of you might already know from here, that program is about using webdesign as a stepping stone into entrepreneurship.

Dropped out of high school at 16 because I didn't like where life was taking me, and since that have been working minimum wage, traveling around the world, and dreaming about starting my own business. No more dreaming! I told my parents, sister and my friends that by this time next year I'm going to be earning enough to live in Manhattan, because that seems to me as probably the best place to really build your business, with all the business folk around.

Anyway, I'll post my progress to keep myself accountable. Step 1: Earn enough to live in Manhattan, through webdesign, by next year. That'll teach me a lot of useful skills. So far, I've learned the basics of website coding, joined the FoxWebSchool Sales Legends program, and found someone to make my first portfolio website for.

Cheers
congrats bruh. You're life is going somewhere
 
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Week #1

Hey there,

Alright so technically I started learning code just over a month ago, but this is week one of the course, and week one of being 20. Also apparently you don't need to know code to make websites, you can just use wordpress (never heard of that before, I'm new to this). So I stopped learning code, at least for now.

I'm going to make a free website for my grandma, she takes care of elderly people, freelance, and could use a website to get more clients. That'll be my first portfolio project. She's going to pay for the website hosting, I sent her a link + instructions, and then I can start.

Got in contact with a lead generation company that was recommended by someone in Fox's course, for 60 dollars they'll find you a hundred companies in a specified niche and location who's websites look like they could be improved, so that'll save a lot of time probably. They also make the websites, so I want to see, once I get going, if I can outsource that to them, and only focus on making the deals / sales calls. Just something to look into, but potentially a way to earn a lot more than if I spend my time also making the websites, we'll see about that later.

For the rest, just working my way through the course videos.

Cheers
 

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Hey everyone,

Super excited, I'm actually starting. I just turned 20, four days ago, and joined Rob's FoxWebSchool. I read The Millionaire Fastlane about a year ago, and have been fantasizing about becoming an entrepreneur ever since, but had no idea where to start. So I'm starting with Rob's course, to gain experience and momentum. As a lot of you might already know from here, that program is about using webdesign as a stepping stone into entrepreneurship.

Dropped out of high school at 16 because I didn't like where life was taking me, and since that have been working minimum wage, traveling around the world, and dreaming about starting my own business. No more dreaming! I told my parents, sister and my friends that by this time next year I'm going to be earning enough to live in Manhattan, because that seems to me as probably the best place to really build your business, with all the business folk around.

Anyway, I'll post my progress to keep myself accountable. Step 1: Earn enough to live in Manhattan, through webdesign, by next year. That'll teach me a lot of useful skills. So far, I've learned the basics of website coding, joined the FoxWebSchool Sales Legends program, and found someone to make my first portfolio website for.

Cheers
Amazing vision brother. Keep up the hustle and perfect the sales game. As "CEO" you're a glorified salesman, and no matter what venture you end up building you will be your number 1 sales guy. SaaS is an amazing product. Dont feel like you need to move to NYC, if you build a SaaS product you can do it from anywhere. Go door to door and find out what businesses need, home owners need, and use your drive to build a product that you can manage from anywhere and execute!
 

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They also make the websites

Don't outsource this directly, control the outsource. Find a team of developers in Eastern Europe or Asia. Why outsource and lose the power to have control over the team. Then you can do the sales and grow organically. You hire 1 guy who can do a wordpress site for $250-$500 per site and you charge $2000+ learn some SEO tips and one-time fixes with plugins and charge extra $500 to just do the one-time SEO things. Easy $$
 

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Manhattan??

Answer this question. Is it easier to start a business when your rent is $3000 a month or $600 a month?

You will be working a job you hate for too many hours and will not have enough time for your business. So much is done online anyways, why would you live in the place where your dollar earned is so much weaker? You could make the same dollars and spend Baht or Pesos and have much more free time to dedicate towards your idea.

I started my business when I was living at home and moved out once I was making money. If I moved out earlier I would've likely gotten a job so I could afford to live and would've had less time for my business.
 
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Don't outsource this directly, control the outsource. Find a team of developers in Eastern Europe or Asia. Why outsource and lose the power to have control over the team. Then you can do the sales and grow organically. You hire 1 guy who can do a wordpress site for $250-$500 per site and you charge $2000+ learn some SEO tips and one-time fixes with plugins and charge extra $500 to just do the one-time SEO things. Easy $$
Thanks, yes I was also thinking that it seems better to directly hire freelancers / employees. After all, if you outsource it to another company, and they stop making websites for you, for whatever reason, there's a big problem all of a sudden. I'm using this as a learning tool, probably not as my actual fastlane business, but it's still good to make it as fastlane as possible, also for practice, and outsourcing to a company seems to go directly against control. So thanks for that pointer!

Either way I figure I first need to start making websites myself that give a lot of value to clients, and that I can charge a lot for. Both as a fallback and so that I can properly decide who to hire, and coach them if there are some small parts of their websites that aren't quite optimal. So I'll probably only start hiring in at least a couple months, but it's good to think about so I don't get trapped by the wrong decision when I do start.
 

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Manhattan??

Answer this question. Is it easier to start a business when your rent is $3000 a month or $600 a month?

You will be working a job you hate for too many hours and will not have enough time for your business. So much is done online anyways, why would you live in the place where your dollar earned is so much weaker? You could make the same dollars and spend Baht or Pesos and have much more free time to dedicate towards your idea.

I started my business when I was living at home and moved out once I was making money. If I moved out earlier I would've likely gotten a job so I could afford to live and would've had less time for my business.
Ha! Good point.

Yeah it's mainly just to have a specific goal, earn enough with webdesign to be able to live there, but it's true even if I'd be earning enough it's still a lot less stress to live somewhere cheaper. Besides, you can save a lot more money and time that you can then use for example to try out other businesses. So I guess I'll change my goal to "make enough with this business to theoretically be able to live in Manhattan by next year". One year is also not necessary, but I think it's good to set a time that's pretty close in the future so you can't afford to waste any time.

Yeah me too, I'm living at home now, no expenses, makes it a lot easier to focus on learning this stuff since I'm not earning anything at all yet.
 
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Week #2

Wow, it feels like a lot longer than just week 2 hahah. That's a good sign though, means there's lots of new impressions.

Started building my first portfolio website, for my grandma, to help her get more clients (she helps people who need extra care at home). Taking a side course on increasing website effectiveness that someone recommended: Landing Page Design & Conversion Rate Optimization 2018 if anyone's interested. Seems solid so far.

It's a slow process building this website since it's my first one, but I'm really learning how to make good sites now. Best way to learn is by doing.

Just putting in the work, learning. Talk to you next week.
 
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Week #3

Completed that Udemy course, was really helpful in getting an idea of how to design sites to create sales / leads. Went through it very carefully, taking notes on everything and sorting them by subject. This way I'll be able to put the information I learn from other resources in the same summary, and in the end I'll have a very handy reference book.

Worked on that site, I'm starting to get an idea of what I'm doing now, and what to focus on. Using youtube and google to find mini tutorials whenever I get stuck on something.
 
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Week #4

Sent out 50 cold emails, response rate = 0. Guess that's how it goes when you're new. However, barbers in my country have opened up again, so I made a list of barbers without websites, according to google maps. I'll go talk to them in person until I find someone who wants a (free) website.

Got the layout and stuff pretty much set for my first website. Still got to do the copywriting and some last details, add some pictures and then that's ready to go and I'll have a first portfolio piece.

Also, got a bit in a funk the second half of Thursday and the first half of Friday, but I'm reading Unscripted and, perfectly timed, got to the section about defining your "why's", so I sat down and really thought about why I'm doing this and made a list. That helped a lot actually. Here it is:

My "Why's" for getting good at web design
- Freedom and the ability to live anywhere (i.e. have a bed and good food when not living with my parents or in a super cheap country, as well as having a place near a beach or something with lots of attractive people - won't expand, this is a business forum, but what do you expect I'm a young guy that's part of my motivation)
- Learn business skills so I can grow an actual business later on
- Gain a deep confidence, through experience, that I can achieve worthy goals
- Not have to worry about money
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No boss, nobody that can tell you what to do
- No more minimum wage, can travel to more expensive places without sleeping in tents / on roofs / on the streets (did that last year, it actually was quite awesome but it did show me that a bed and pasta sauce are quite nice. I'm not legitimately poor, my parents have good middle class jobs, but I wanted to travel and personally was broke.)

That got me going quite well again.

Anyway, that's that for this week, next week I'm going out until I find a second portfolio client, and will work on getting that first website done.
 

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Week #4

Sent out 50 cold emails, response rate = 0. Guess that's how it goes when you're new. However, barbers in my country have opened up again, so I made a list of barbers without websites, according to google maps. I'll go talk to them in person until I find someone who wants a (free) website.

Got the layout and stuff pretty much set for my first website. Still got to do the copywriting and some last details, add some pictures and then that's ready to go and I'll have a first portfolio piece.

Also, got a bit in a funk the second half of Thursday and the first half of Friday, but I'm reading Unscripted and, perfectly timed, got to the section about defining your "why's", so I sat down and really thought about why I'm doing this and made a list. That helped a lot actually. Here it is:

My "Why's" for getting good at web design
- Freedom and the ability to live anywhere (i.e. have a bed and good food when not living with my parents or in a super cheap country, as well as having a place near a beach or something with lots of attractive people - won't expand, this is a business forum, but what do you expect I'm a young guy that's part of my motivation)
- Learn business skills so I can grow an actual business later on
- Gain a deep confidence, through experience, that I can achieve worthy goals
- Not have to worry about money
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No boss, nobody that can tell you what to do
- No more minimum wage, can travel to more expensive places without sleeping in tents / on roofs / on the streets (did that last year, it actually was quite awesome but it did show me that a bed and pasta sauce are quite nice. I'm not legitimately poor, my parents have good middle class jobs, but I wanted to travel and personally was broke.)

That got me going quite well again.

Anyway, that's that for this week, next week I'm going out until I find a second portfolio client, and will work on getting that first website done.
Love your drive, following along... :)
I have experience with physical products/manfacturing, if you ever have any questions feel free to reach out (and yes, we need an improved website, and no, it's not in your niche of websites, it's based on an a different platform (e-commerce) that is constantly being updated :) )
 
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Love your drive, following along... :)
I have experience with physical products/manfacturing, if you ever have any questions feel free to reach out (and yes, we need an improved website, and no, it's not in your niche of websites, it's based on an a different platform (e-commerce) that is constantly being updated :) )
Awesome, thanks man!

Once I know what I'm doing I'd be happy to take a look and give pointers on your site or help you out with any questions about websites.
 
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Week #5

Got that barbershop portfolio client! It is much easier to just go talk to people then send out emails, at least so it seems from my limited experience. Like I said I had made a list of about eight barbers on google maps with good reviews but no websites. I was a bit nervous actually to go out and talk to them, but the first one when I asked him if he wanted a free website immediately said he would love that. Said he had wanted one for a while but it was too expensive (said about 800 to 1000 euros for a barber). Anyway he is very happy. He also said he knew a lot of other people who would like a website so hopefully I can sell a website to one of those people for a couple hundred bucks after doing this project, and then we'll be off and running towards the big projects.

So, been working on the homepage for his site. You can use templates, but I figured I'll use templates later to save time, but first I want to learn how to make everything from scratch. So I found a barber template that I like, and am using that as inspiration for the design and am learning how to build everything. This way, after a couple websites I'll really know how everything works.

My first portfolio site was for my grandma but that's going a bit slow. I finished the layout but need to get the pictures, and the information to go on the site.

Another reason to work with local businesses, you can just go over and take the pictures yourself and ask any questions you have in person.

Plan for next week:
- Send my grandma a clear, final email to ask all the information I need to write the copy on the site
- Go to the barber and take the pictures, and ask him about all the information I need to write the copy
- For the rest just keep working on creating the layout and design for the different pages on his site, focusing on making it so that clients will book or contact him

It feeld good, heading in the right direction
 
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Week #6

Have to say, my memory of last week is quite blurry. As far as I can recall it went pretty smooth. A friend of mine wants to become a business photographer, so he took the pictures for free, to add to his own portfolio. I got the barber site done for the most part as well.

The barber was a bit confusing with his business ideas: he wanted people to make reservations, but gave them a discount if they did not reserve, because he thought it wasn't fair to make people wait and have them pay the same price as people who reserved and could just walk in. WTF. No amount of reasoning could make him change his mind. I might screen future clients for how business oriented they are - makes it easier for me to get good results for them.

My grandma sent the information for the text for the other site, and I created a basic sales structure to organize it into good copy.

Next: create a booking system for the barber site, optimize it for speed and SEO, and for the other site: write the copy. No experience whatsoever with any of these yet, so it'll probably take some time, and I'll hopefully learn a lot from it.
 
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Week #7 & #8

Forgot to post last week so this is for two weeks.

So, I've finished the barbersite. Tomorrow I'll go to him and write down the text (just 3 sections of each a couple lines). He said he'd write them but still hasn't done that, so I'll just do it for him ha. After that just transfer the hosting to an account that he's paying and we're done.

Added some more pages to the other website, still waiting for pictures and text there too. Gotta find clients who are motivated to get their site done quickly.

Speaking of which, Friday I went out to about eight businesses in person, to see if they were interested in a website. One of them wanted to know more. Next week is going to be a lot of prospecting. I made a script for a video explaining what I did for the barber site and will make and send that to businesses after I cold call them next week. Got a huge list, and honestly just by using Google maps you can find an infinite list of businesses in every niche. It also tells you their phone number and if they have a website or not.

It's getting exciting! At the stage now where I can get a paid client. I have no idea how smooth it will go, have never done any prospecting before. But I got the time, so I'm just gonna call or go door to door or advertise or keep trying stuff until I get a client. It feels good. Know how to make a website now, so yeah. Let's go.
 
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Week #9

I have to admit that I was lazy this week. There was quite some time where I either wasn't doing anything or told myself I'd just summarize books. This I think was mainly out of fear.

I did make a video that I can send to prospects, and cold called 46 businesses. Most of them didn't pick up, and the rest wasn't interested. Next week however I'll cold call barbers specifically, since I have already worked for a barber. Also I'll keep it very simple and just ask if I can send an email, instead of asking if they're looking for a website, something that got recommended in the Fox web course. My plan now is to just work with barbers until they recommend me to a friend in another niche, then after having made a website for a different niche I can start prospecting in that niche as well.
 

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Week #10

Prospecting

Called 90 barbers. Cold calling is hard hah. However, I did have a sales meeting with one of them, and am texting with another one, and emailing a couple.

The sales meeting went a little awkward - my bad, I didn't know what to say. I will focus on "situation questions" from SPIN selling, and, like he suggested in the book, work on getting comfortable using those before moving on to learning the next set of questions.

Now, to start practicing with sales calls I need to have a lot of people to talk to. So, I asked three guys I know if they were interested in cold calling for me. One was very interested, and he'll get 20% or so of the profits of leads that he creates. So that'll hopefully add some volume, and it's risk free for me.

Also thinking about making a website for myself and learning how to get people to the site with ads and SEO and whatever, and then get them to call me. Which I should be able to do, considering what I'm offering. But not sure yet, since I only have one portfolio piece. We'll see.

For now, it's all about prospecting and setting up systems to get people into the start of the sales funnel.
 

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I just turned 20, four days ago, and joined Rob's FoxWebSchool
Alright so technically I started learning code just over a month ago, but this is week one of the course, and week one of being 20. Also apparently you don't need to know code to make websites, you can just use wordpress (never heard of that before, I'm new to this). So I stopped learning code, at least for now.
However, barbers in my country have opened up again, so I made a list of barbers without websites,
honestly just by using Google maps you can find an infinite list of businesses in every niche. It also tells you their phone number and if they have a website or not.
Next week however I'll cold call barbers specifically, since I have already worked for a barber.
My plan now is to just work with barbers until they recommend me to a friend in another niche,
Called 90 barbers. Cold calling is hard hah.
Above are the main takeaways, IMO, from your thread so far.

Some questions to ask yourself:

How much do barbers charge for a haircut?
How many haircuts to recoup your fee?
How many free slots does a barber have?
What kind of sales growth can a barber expect with a website?
Are barbers looking to scale their business?
What's the catchment area for a barber?

Why target businesses without websites?
Either they can't afford it or don't need it.

Why not target businesses with bad websites?

If you believe personal visits are easier to close than telephone/email;

Why not target hair & beauty salons?
Perms, wedding styles & beauty treatments can run into hundreds, sometimes thousands of dollars. You'll meet your desired "attractive"people there too.

What other high street/retail has high $$$ transactions that would benefit from a better website?

What other kind of companies near me have high average order values that would benefit from a better website?

What kind of companies would see value in spending $2000, $5000, $10,000 for a website?

How many barbers do I need to call, meet, sell & design websites for to make $10,000?

How many companies that make boring products/services with big order values to do the same?

Is time is my most precious resource?
How can I use that finite time to garner a greater return on my investment?

Is it better to spend one hour with a barber, a wholesaler, a carpet store, a builder, a hot dog vendor?

Who won't think twice about dropping $5000 on a website?

Think about your answers, decide upon a niche worth pursuing, formulate a plan of action & give it a go.

If you still think approaching barbers is the way you want to go, no problem, go ahead, after all it's your business & you have to the work.

Look forward to your update next week.
 

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Hey man! Nice to see another member of FSL here.

Great progress so far.

Track results as much as possible at the begging. Pump out the portfolio websites as fast as possible. Start looking at businesses that do big numbers per customer. It'll be an easier sell for those owners.

Funny enough, I've had much better sales experiences with bigger businesses. Owners have a growth mentality, their budgets can support you, and they're much more hands off.
 

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Hey man! Nice to see another member of FSL here.

Great progress so far.

Track results as much as possible at the begging. Pump out the portfolio websites as fast as possible. Start looking at businesses that do big numbers per customer. It'll be an easier sell for those owners.

Funny enough, I've had much better sales experiences with bigger businesses. Owners have a growth mentality, their budgets can support you, and they're much more hands off.
Ex FSL, looks like he's doing WordPress & Udemy courses.
Also apparently you don't need to know code to make websites, you can just use wordpress (never heard of that before, I'm new to this). So I stopped learning code, at least for now.
 
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Ex FSL, looks like he's doing WordPress & Udemy courses.
I'm in FSL, that's where I heard about Elementor / Wordpress. Udemy courses, YouTube and books to supplement specifics/go more in depth on certain topics. But on this forum I'm posting all the progress and stuff I'm learning, regardless of whether its coming from FSL or somewhere else. A lot of the stuff I'm learning is from Fox's course and his Facebook group though.

Hey man! Nice to see another member of FSL here.

Great progress so far.

Track results as much as possible at the begging. Pump out the portfolio websites as fast as possible. Start looking at businesses that do big numbers per customer. It'll be an easier sell for those owners.

Funny enough, I've had much better sales experiences with bigger businesses. Owners have a growth mentality, their budgets can support you, and they're much more hands off.
Hey Isaac! I'm starting to notice that: a lot of the barbers I've called tell me they don't want more clients - like... what?? More clients = more revenue -> you can expand your business, or if you don't want that you can now raise your prices and make more money with the same amount of effort.

I'll make sure to track results as well, haven't been doing that yet.

Good to know about bigger businesses, I just haven't tried them yet because they felt unattainable. However I definitely know enough already to improve some websites of companies bigger than your local barbershop. I'll start targeting bigger businesses. Better sales experiences + growth mentality + bigger budgets + more hands off = I'm in man. Definitely thanks for these pointers.

Some questions to ask yourself:
Some? Hahah - huge thanks man, that really helps with sorting things out.

How much do barbers charge for a haircut?
How many haircuts to recoup your fee?
How many free slots does a barber have?
What kind of sales growth can a barber expect with a website?
Are barbers looking to scale their business?
What's the catchment area for a barber?
These are very valid: like Isaac said, most barbers (small businesses) aren't focused on growing their business - that's probably why they're small in the first place, come to think of it. They at most seem mildly interested in more clients and more interested in a website because you "have to" have one nowadays. And, yes, even if they did want to grow, they still wouldn't see that much return on their investment probably, and in order to scale they would have to move to a bigger shop or buy an additional location. Not a risk that most barbers are willing to take.

Why target businesses without websites?
Either they can't afford it or don't need it.

Why not target businesses with bad websites?
Also very valid - I mostly targeted businesses with no websites because, again, they felt attainable. If they don't have any website, anything is an improvement, right?

But when you look at it, it's probably not the best strategy.

If you believe personal visits are easier to close than telephone/email;

Why not target hair & beauty salons?
Perms, wedding styles & beauty treatments can run into hundreds, sometimes thousands of dollars.
Great idea, and they're relatively similar to barbers as well, might make it easier.

What other high street/retail has high $$$ transactions that would benefit from a better website?

What other kind of companies near me have high average order values that would benefit from a better website?

What kind of companies would see value in spending $2000, $5000, $10,000 for a website?

How many barbers do I need to call, meet, sell & design websites for to make $10,000?

How many companies that make boring products/services with big order values to do the same?

Is time is my most precious resource?
How can I use that finite time to garner a greater return on my investment?

Is it better to spend one hour with a barber, a wholesaler, a carpet store, a builder, a hot dog vendor?

Who won't think twice about dropping $5000 on a website?
Agreed, yeah I just didn't think those companies would pay much attention. But someone always does if you talk to enough people right? And if you're selling for $4,000 instead of $400 it can take you 10 TIMES as long and you'll still be making the same, and learning a lot more. And if, like you said, I target companies who just have bad websites, I can call them, tell them a couple things they could change to get more sales, and offer to send a free audit. Probably quite some would be like OK sure, I'm assuming, and it wouldn't take much longer, if any, to make a high quality audit than to go over to a barber, wait for them to arrive/finish cutting someone's hair, talking to them, and then going back home.

Alright guys, huge thanks, I agree this definitely looks like the direction to head in.
 

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If they don't have any website, anything is an improvement, right?
You said yourself you can find barbers on Google.
Why do they need a website?
Do they have unique services that customers are unaware of?
Agreed, yeah I just didn't think those companies would pay much attention. But someone always does if you talk to enough people right?
Why do you think that?
And if you're selling for $4,000 instead of $400 it can take you 10 TIMES as long
What makes you say that?
Is $4000 to a larger company as significant as $400 to a barber?
 

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Is $4000 to a larger company as significant as $400 to a barber?
So much this.

You must learn to disassociate price and effort. Pricing becomes more of an exchange of value and potential ROI determines price more than anything imo.

Scaling pay to effort is not the route you want to take
 
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What makes you say that?
Is $4000 to a larger company as significant as $400 to a barber?
So much this.

You must learn to disassociate price and effort. Pricing becomes more of an exchange of value and potential ROI determines price more than anything imo.

Scaling pay to effort is not the route you want to take
Yeah I was unclear, I meant even if it would take ten times as long it would still be better, not that it actually takes ten times as long.

Also Isaac I just saw your FSL testimonial/advice video - correct me if I'm wrong, but sounds like that is exactly what you were talking about: first you were struggling because you were pricing your work relative to the amount of effort you put in, then when you reframed it to customers relative to the value you provided everything went through the roof.
Why do you think that?
I thought that they wouldn't pay attention if I didn't have many past projects. Not based on any experience or anything really, just my own biases and beliefs/fears. I'll definitely start targeting bigger businesses than barbers now though. I looked around today at beauty salons and a lot of them, even ones with ten or twenty employees, often have websites that could definitely be improved quite a lot. So I'll target those and learn through experience whether they're really as closed off to someone with just one portfolio piece as my fears thought.
Why do they need a website?
Do they have unique services that customers are unaware of?
Barbers, as far as I know, mainly just to let people know they exist in the first place, show they're good through pictures / reviews, show what their prices are, and make it easy for people to contact them. The one I made a website for didn't have anything unique when I asked him, just that "we're good at giving nice haircuts".
There are definitely businesses that would get more value from a website than a two man barbershop.
 

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beauty salons and a lot of them, even ones with ten or twenty employees, often have websites that could definitely be improved quite a lot.
Improve it & show them, nothing beats a concrete example. Just do a landing page.
It's practice for you too, do it quickly like you have a deadline.
Worst case you have another portfolio piece.
So I'll target those and learn through experience whether they're really as closed off to someone with just one portfolio piece as my fears thought.
If you talk about them, & how they benefit, build trust, they won't even ask to see your work. Lots of newbies have done that.
Give them an offer they can't refuse.
No Risk
Tell them if they don't get results they can have a full refund.
It's the puppy dog close. Google it.
You want people to be happy with your work.
Go big.
 

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