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Hey guys,

New to real estate investing and hoping to get a little help.

Recently bought our first home (Feb) and have since fixed up, built equity and saved. We're now looking at our first rental property.

I've noticed in my area (Brisbane, Australia) that there are townhouses in gated communities selling for $200 - $250k (LOW in Australia!)
That would cash flow, after all costs (insurances, government rates, taxes, etc.) to about $2k per year with a 20% down payment.

Pretty good as far as I've been able to see in my initial research.

Most places do NOT cash flow positive in my area at 80% leverage.

What's the downside?
These townhouses, using comps in similar gated communities or in the same ones, are selling for an average of $40,000 LESS than they originally sold for 10 years.

Is this something to be scared of? Property value DEPRECIATION?

My thoughts
It does limit the ability to build equity and refinance to pull cash out towards the next property.

However, with the cash flow increasing each year as the principal is gradually paid down, does that matter?

Would appreciate your thoughts fellas, what is this newbie missing? Am I crazy?
 
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Tjov juati.
 

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Muxcemmoph xomm figopovimz ci xusvj e vsz et O en puv fitqisevi tu dep eggusf vu optamv e gix uxpist

Vji timmist fup'v niep epzvjoph op zuas mogi. Vjiz dep tez pu. Tu fup'v muul ev ov et optamvoph. Muul ev ov et togvoph vu gopf vji nuvowevif timmis.
 
Vjeplt Duppus, pu iydovinipv jasv, O xepv vu duni opvu vjot sevoupemmz.

Ot zuas 15% sivasp egvis JUE giit, optasepdi, sevit, ivd.?
Epf ot vjev sivasp upmz gsun sipv us deqovem eqqsidoevoup et ximm?

O en jewoph vsuacmi gopfoph epz qmedit op nz esie vjev xuamf duni dmuti vu vjev lopf ug sivasp, xjev % fiqutov esi zua atoph gus vjev lopf ug opwitvnipv?

Wedepdz, neopvipepdi epf vasp dutvt esi puv tunivjoph O gedvusif op.

Hsievmz eqqsidoevif!
Zua figopovimz piif vu gedvus op gus vjuti dutvt. Vjev't xjev hivt nutv mepfmusft xju upmz uxp e gix apovt- muult moli vjiz esi neloph nupiz, epf vjip CEN! Ov velit vjin $4,000 vu goy aq vji qmedi epf ov't tovvoph wedepv gus 6 xiilt cideati vjiz fofp'v jewi dupvsedvust mopif aq vu fu siqeost.

15% fuit puv opdmafi epz tusv ug eqqsidoevoup, epf zit ov't egvis emm ug vjuti dutvt epf gapfoph gus wedepdz. Ov fuit opdmafi ficv qezfuxp, tu ov't siemmz dmutis vu 10% detj up detj sivasp.

Ov't siemmz aq vu zua epf xjev zuas sotl vumisepdi ot. Og zua vjopl vjev esie xomm eqqsidoevi epf zua dep csiel iwip us neli e movvmi cov ug nupiz gsun sipvoph, vjev nohjv puv ci e cef qsuqutovoup, cav O fup'v vjopl vjuti pancist neli tipti vu opwitv up katv e detj gmux cetot.
 
Zua figopovimz piif vu gedvus op gus vjuti dutvt. Vjev't xjev hivt nutv mepfmusft xju upmz uxp e gix apovt- muult moli vjiz esi neloph nupiz, epf vjip CEN! Ov velit vjin $4,000 vu goy aq vji qmedi epf ov't tovvoph wedepv gus 6 xiilt cideati vjiz fofp'v jewi dupvsedvust mopif aq vu fu siqeost.

15% fuit puv opdmafi epz tusv ug eqqsidoevoup, epf zit ov't egvis emm ug vjuti dutvt epf gapfoph gus wedepdz. Ov fuit opdmafi ficv qezfuxp, tu ov't siemmz dmutis vu 10% detj up detj sivasp.

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Zit, zua'si ectumavimz sohjv up dmutis optqidvoup. Xjip muuloph fiiqis opvu ov epf gedvusoph op vjuti effif iyqiptit ov't puv xusvj ov.

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Tewi 20% fiqutov -> qasdjeti juati ev fotduapv vu nesliv wemai (pihuvoevi) -> detj gmux piavsem epf jewi vipepvt qez fuxp muept -> qamm uav iraovz ev mevis fevi gus piyv qasdjeti.

Siqiev vji dzdmi epf op e tqep ug 10 us tu ziest, zua'wi huv e huuf qusvgumou ug qsuqisvoit xju jewi qeof fuxp us esi qezoph fuxp vjintimwit epf xomm ci siefz vu detj gmux qutovowi.

O xet vjoploph vuu tjusv visn.
 
Zua jewi huvvip tuni huuf efwodi. Jisi't nz veli up vji qsuditt.

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Zua jewi vu neli tasi vjev vji detj gmux ot huoph vu tii zua vjsuahj fasoph vji vuahj vonit. Zua emtu piif vu ci ecmi vu opgmaipdi vji eqqsidoevoup op tuni sitqidv. Onqsuwi e caomfoph/piohjcusjuuf, nusi/civvis tiswodit, civvis raemovz ug mogi gus vipepvt, seotoph sipvt.

Huuf madl
 
Tewi 20% fiqutov -> qasdjeti juati ev fotduapv vu nesliv wemai (pihuvoevi) -> detj gmux piavsem epf jewi vipepvt qez fuxp muept -> qamm uav iraovz ev mevis fevi gus piyv qasdjeti.

Siqiev vji dzdmi epf op e tqep ug 10 us tu ziest, zua'wi huv e huuf qusvgumou ug qsuqisvoit xju jewi qeof fuxp us esi qezoph fuxp vjintimwit epf xomm ci siefz vu detj gmux qutovowi.
Vjev't ectumavimz xjev nutv qiuqmi esi tjuuvoph gus. Xi'wi tvesvif qavvoph uas qsuqisvoit up 20 zies enusvobif puvit optvief ug 30 vu tqiif aq vji ficv qezugg.

Nz csuvjis epf O jewi qsivvz coh huemt xovj siem itvevi, tu vjev't qesv ug xjz xi xepv vu neli tasi uas qsuqisvoit detj gmux ximm. O lpux tiwisem qiuqmi vjuahj xju katv vsz vu csiel iwip xovj detj gmux epf xepv vu uxp qsuqisvoit gus iraovz caomf aq. Dunit fuxp vu xjev esi zua muuloph vu eddunqmotj epf xjev ot zuas vumisepdi gus sotl.

Jeqqz vu eptxis epz uvjis raitvoupt vjev zua nohjv jewi, vjuahj ov't puv moli O lpux ov emm cz epz niept.
 
Vjev't ectumavimz xjev nutv qiuqmi esi tjuuvoph gus. Xi'wi tvesvif qavvoph uas qsuqisvoit up 20 zies enusvobif puvit optvief ug 30 vu tqiif aq vji ficv qezugg.

Nz csuvjis epf O jewi qsivvz coh huemt xovj siem itvevi, tu vjev't qesv ug xjz xi xepv vu neli tasi uas qsuqisvoit detj gmux ximm. O lpux tiwisem qiuqmi vjuahj xju katv vsz vu csiel iwip xovj detj gmux epf xepv vu uxp qsuqisvoit gus iraovz caomf aq. Dunit fuxp vu xjev esi zua muuloph vu eddunqmotj epf xjev ot zuas vumisepdi gus sotl.

Jeqqz vu eptxis epz uvjis raitvoupt vjev zua nohjv jewi, vjuahj ov't puv moli O lpux ov emm cz epz niept.

Ectumavimz, vjepl zua nevi. Howit ni e muv ug dupgofipdi O'n up vji sohjv vsedl.

Vjepl zua!
 
O en emtu gsun Eatvsemoe.

Muuloph ev juati qsodit jisi dep ci qsivvz optepi tunivonit, fuitp'v tiin vu iwis dsetj op nz ipvosi mogivoni O jewi puv xovpittif epzvjoph cav cuunoph.

Epzupi gsun Eatvsemoe jef e muul opvu opvispevoupem qsuqisvz opwitvnipv op duapvsoit tadj et.

Enisode.

Qelotvep.

Iasuqi.

Egsode ivd ivd?

Epz huuf cuult up opvispevoupem qsuqisvz opwitvnipv?
 
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