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Packing up to live in Asia

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Hi all.

I have seen a few threads like this before, but thought I would start my own on the outside (have a progress thread on the inside) about quitting your job and relocating.

I have been working in the oil and gas construction industry for 3 and a half years, which involved flying to a small island in the middle of nowhere (where there is absolutely nothing), working for 26 days in a row, then getting 9 days off. About 200k AUD per year (150k USD?). Two months ago changed roles from construction to production as the plant came online, which meant changing to a much more friendly 2 weeks on 2 weeks off roster for about 100k AUD per year. I have just been travelling in my time off, usually in Asia.

Living the dream, right?

Wrong.

Don't get me wrong, I am grateful for what the opportunity gave me, and actually enjoyed a lot of it. I remember being quite pissed off when guys would complain about the job and the conditions. Couldn't believe it, with the money they are on, they are complaining? Haha. Well, when your time comes, your time comes I suppose, and it is different for everyone as to when that happens.

But the penny has finally dropped. A large majority of us are here because we want to be financially successful and independent. But it is indeed a great day when you finally realise how little money means you can't enjoy life because you hate your job and spend most of your time working on it :banghead:

Anyway.. I have finally decided to release the golden handcuffs. Luckily I have been pretty good with my coin since I started making this money (previous best before this job was a pittance!). Spent a lot travelling the world but also made some great real estate investments. Tied up more of my cash than I would have liked at this point though! Will be quitting my new role in the next few months (even though I would fecking looove to do it now!) so as to not put out my work crew and supervisor (who is a friend and a good manager). And also allows me to leave on good terms so the possibility to come back in a few years can remain open if absolutely necessary. I always like to do that, even though I have NEVER gone back to a previous job. Really, once I am gone, there is just no going back. But also will allow me to get that last few bank digits I need to be able to live travelling around Asia for the next year or two with a friend. My god it can be done cheaply. And it allows you 100% of your time to study and begin fastlane ideas.

I am also thinking about spending 6 months to a year in south and central America, depending on what I get my final bank balance to.

Would love to hear from anyone else who has done this, and will keep an occasional posting of how it is unfolding.

Cheers!
 
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F*ck it.
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Enjoy it bud :)
 

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Have already been partially living in Bali the last few years during my time off, and have done plenty of Thailand already. So looking at India (particularly Goa..), Sri Lanka, Myanmar again (although their visa can be a pain), Laos, Cambodia (have friends in Siem Reap), Vietnam, Malaysia. Would love to do some hiking through rural China, looks amazing. Really though, you just get over there and see where it takes you. Not worth having too much of a plan because it will be out the window within the first week anyway!

Congrats to you making change.

However, have you considered the opportunity cost of going on these adventures?

It will be very difficult to build a big business while adventuring around.

I've lived all over SE Asia in the last year (Bali being a favorite), but my best focus and biggest business gains have come when I was in one place and laser focused on the business.

Your heart is in the right place, but your mind isn't quite there yet. You will figure out what's right for you as you go along.
 

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Where in Asia?
Have already been partially living in Bali the last few years during my time off, and have done plenty of Thailand already. So looking at India (particularly Goa..), Sri Lanka, Myanmar again (although their visa can be a pain), Laos, Cambodia (have friends in Siem Reap), Vietnam, Malaysia. Would love to do some hiking through rural China, looks amazing. Really though, you just get over there and see where it takes you. Not worth having too much of a plan because it will be out the window within the first week anyway!
 

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As of now the 30 day Bali entry Visa is free for most visiting countries. They waived the fee a while ago.

However, I suggest paying the $35 fee for the extendable Visa. This allows you to be in Bali for 30 days, and then extend another 30 days without leaving.

You can also get a 6 month business visa (12 month too I think) but you are still required to leave so often.

It's so cheap to fly to another country and back and you can do it on the same day. At most it's a minor annoyance.

If you overstay your visa it's 300,000 IDR per day.

If you know people you can play some games with your visa - aka bribing, as Indonesia runs on bribes. All they care about is the visa stamp. I DO NOT recommend but be aware that this happens.

I also know that when I overstayed my visa, the visa guard pocketed the money instead of it going to the office. And then he stamped me. Technically it was a bribe...even though I did as I was instructed. I didn't care as long as I was allowed to leave.

Don't drive around bali with a lot of cash. When a cop stops you (when, not if ) he will expect a bribe. Don't pay him more than 100k. Never call it a bribe...ask him what the fine is.

Later on when I got wise cops would try to pull me over on the side of the road but I just pretended I didn't see them. They are looking for easy targets.

Never, ever ride drunk in Bali and always wear your helmet. Uber is so cheap, and there are so many drunk foreigners on the road at times.

Get a Skype out number, very cheap. Could also use google voice.

I think I need to make a blog post on how to run a business globally.

Hati hati!
 
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Really the main thing is not so much about the travel though, but having an extremely low cost lifestyle and being able to focus 100% on making a change to something fastlane. Detox the slowlane and every single facet of it out of my life..
 
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I am Australian too and have been living in Asia now for 18 months.

The first several months were spent hustling whilst living off of savings (definitely to not recommend this).

I agree with @JasonR you definitely want to settle down in one place. I could never get anything done whilst moving around.

Right now I am setup in Bangkok and plan to be here for the foreseeable future.

Always open to a chat if you have any specific questions.
 

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Just out of curiosity, what period of time did you find was long enough to be able to focus effectively? At this stage I am tentatively planning to spend about 6 to 8 weeks in each place give or take

This is different for every body.

If you've built a business before, your learning curve will be much shorter.

If this is your first venture, you'll need a lot more time - and you'll have to account for screwing up and mistakes.

I would play on staying in one place for 6 months.

When you move to a new place, if you're like (and most personality types who enjoy frequent travel/moving) you will want to explore and not work much.

Once your business is supporting you and your travels, then I would maybe pick a spot for a month or two. I like to travel slow. When I find a spot I like I tend to say awhile (hence bali for 7 months).

My current place I plan on staying for 3-4 months to focus on my business and fitness goals I have. And it's a place I've already been before, so I don't have the urge to explore.
 

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What!? Where have you heard that? That sounds absurd - unless someone is dumb to tell authorities they are "working" there while on a tourist visa.

First rule of perpetual travel . . .

When the immigration officer asks "business or pleasure?" the answer is ALWAYS pleasure. Always.
 
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Well it's officially been one week since I have left my job and moved to "Fight Street" in Chalong, Phuket. No beaches here, just a bunch of sweaty people training. Started learning kickboxing at Tiger Muay Thai and felt the difference after only a few days. Part of the reason to come here was to get fit while working on my fastlane project, but it is turning out that I really need to work on my fitness as a priority first. However, am making some good headway on my project.

Quite funny when I look back at my original opening post haha. It would be such a massive struggle to work on improving your fitness and start up a fastlane venture while moving around asia every few weeks. Not a chance this would work! So am planning on spending the next 5 months here visa permitting.

Having a financial exit plan from my job and actually doing it was the best thing I ever did. Of course it is different for everyone so I can only speak of my own situation. Plan, budget, downsize. You would be amazed at what you could do. I'm paying 10 bucks a night for a nice one bedder hotel with a pool, fridge etc, and meals are only about a buck fifty each :p It's not amazing but the whole point isn't to be on holiday now, is it.
 
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Good on you bro. Experience everything life has to offer. There are seven continents, all vastly different from each other, might as well see what's going on there while you can.
 

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Yeah I think 6 months is a good place to start, you definitely make sense. Where do you stay in Bali, Canggu? Do you go to Dojo? Have heard some strange things lately about people getting arrested in co-working spaces over there (Sanur) for visa infringements, even though they are only online freelancers :rolleyes: hopefully it was just a misunderstanding though. It's a shame the crime is starting to become more ingrained in Bali. More and more every day, especially against women.

What!? Where have you heard that? That sounds absurd - unless someone is dumb to tell authorities they are "working" there while on a tourist visa.

Yes I've been to the Dojo. I lived in Seminyak in a villa on the quiet side of Sunset.

When I'll go back I'll likely stay in Canggu - the surf is a bit more intermediate / advanced there then Kuta/Seminyak beach. Though there were some beautiful surf days on that beach.
 
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The Desert of Desertion.... ha! Very timely to rewatch MJ's youtube video on this.

A few months ago I had 3D rendered images and CAD work sufficient for a provisional patent application completed on my product I am trying to develop for licensing. Went to some friends who work in the industry (at a low to mid level) and was unfortunately surprised at the response. Only 1 sent back useful feedback, which was in a way shitting all over my product as well, but I didn't mind because it was actually some great F*cking feedback which can help me prepare for when I get the same or similar questions from companies I am trying to license to. The rest... well. After asking them if they would give me some feedback most didn't even reply back after they agreed. And actually, all of them I personally considered friends. Pretty taken back as personally I am the type of person who goes WELL out of my way to help people trying to improve if they come to me. Although it sent me into a bit of a spin and a lot of doubt, in the end it also highlighted to me the difference between people who just want to stay slowlane and the people on places like this forum.

I have a coach who is helping me along now (I won't say the company but I'm sure many of you who are into product development know which company/author I am speaking of). And hearing his comments about how some people just see the world differently to people like us rings true. He was absolutely ridiculed for his product! But is now laughing all the way to the damn bank haha.

As for the move to Asia, I can offer some novice advice to any thinking of doing the same as I get a few private messages about it. The advice I was given earlier about staying in the one place to focus is ENTIRELY true, obviously. However, if you have any hidden desires to do a bit of travel first (even though you say you are only going to focus on fastlane...) just do it and get it out of your system. You will get to a point where you get unbelievably sick of it and it becomes the last thing you want to do!

At the moment I am in Saigon, doing a little kickboxing and returning to working on my product. Have some friends in Hanoi who have offered me a job teaching English for 15 to 20 hours a week for a pretty decent hourly rate which I think I will take up. More than enough to help give me a bit of structure back in my life and be able to spend as long as possible working on fastlane without burning through savings.
 

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Congrats to you making change.

However, have you considered the opportunity cost of going on these adventures?

It will be very difficult to build a big business while adventuring around.

I've lived all over SE Asia in the last year (Bali being a favorite), but my best focus and biggest business gains have come when I was in one place and laser focused on the business.

Your heart is in the right place, but your mind isn't quite there yet. You will figure out what's right for you as you go along.

This is true, but the bottom line for me is I can't keep doing what I'm doing in the oil and gas industry, working away for such periods of time. Starting to kill my soul and is just trading away far too much of my life. It is actually cheaper (and to be honest, more interesting, motivational/inspirational whatever you want to call it!) more for me to base myself in Asia than in stupidly expensive Perth, Brisbane or Sydney. I have been travelling for a few years, as fun as it is, that isn't really the goal of what I'm doing. I definitely have no problem basing myself somewhere inexpensive and not travelling. A lot of the work I am currently doing towards my fastlane idea (trying my hand at product development and licensing products related to my previous employment industry) can be done online (it is not a business that will be based in or probably even operating in Asia). There will be times that I will need to travel back to Australia if it takes off though. But at least basing myself in Asia means I can afford to spend 100% of my time working towards it. I don't have the luxury of being able to move back in with my folks rent free!

Not gonna lie though, am definitely feeling pretty fried after working away so much the last 3 and a half years.
 
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I came back from India about a month ago, spent a few weeks in Goa as part of my month there. Not sure if you've been to India at all yet but it's an awesome place, cheap and the locals are really friendly (I take it much of Asia is like this...?)
Also they largely speak good English with them being an ex-colony so that is a major plus if you want to bed in for a bit.

Goa is really good by the way, definitely worth going to and staying for a while. I can give you some good hostel and club recommendations. The club season is largely over now but it's good when that's in full swing. Distracting though haha.

I have a similar idea for going to Asia for a period and working on biz so we should friend up on FB or whatever.
 

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Hey man!

I quit college and moved to Thailand with a one-way about a year and a half ago. I still spend about $500 a month on everything including food, rent, utilities and transportation.

It gave me a 100% free time to start an online business, sell that, invest in other projects, and build my blog Motiveinmotion.com. I only would have realized that I wanted to help people with their mindset, if I actually took this route. Otherwise, I would still be in school chasing that degree and maybe a freelance career.

Nothing wrong with that, just not fastlane! If you have any questions I'll do my best to answer them for you. I've lived in Thai, Vietnam, Indonesia, and Japan for a bit.
This.

I have about plenty of coin and an investment property with a load of equity that is going up an extra 50k a year, but I really think I can do it comfortably on 1000 AUD a month if I only move every 3 months. But 500, you are doing well! I don't know if I could get it that low, but I kind of want to try, even though I don't need to so much. The main thing is to have the time to get more involved in my fastlane venture. I truly believe it would speed up my progress 10 fold.

I have done a bit of Thailand and am off to Tiger Muay thai in Phuket in a few weeks (booked ages ago). Have you ever stayed in Koh Tao? I could see myself spending a few months there haha. But I think Goa and Vietnam for the first 6 to 9 months is a better idea when I just want to focus entirely on my startup company. I will definitely have some questions for you in the future if you don't mind me messaging you.
 

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I've been on that exact hill haha. Don't know how suitable it would be for what I am trying to do though, but awesome place. Last time I was there the entire place flooded and had to be rescued by the navy a week after I left.

Anyway, I don't want to bombard everyone with jealousy indusing travel porn pics. Where abouts are you based now and how are you finding it for running your business? Did you say you are in Bangkok?
Yes, Bangkok. Fine for running a business. Some obstacles need to be overcome. 1 example would be if I want to personally inspect my goods I'd have to pay an absurd import tax. The timezone is a bit more suitable for you if you're selling in Australia than myself who mainly focuses on the U.S market.

Internet is pretty good, rent is pretty cheap, and there's an endless amount of things to do inside and not far from the city. I've got a family now so I cant exactly travel all the time. Bangkok is good place to raise a kid imo.
 
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Appreciate all the hints and tips so far guys. I definitely think longer stays is the way to go. And starting off in countries that I know already, at least to begin with, to be able to focus 100% from the get go.

I feel one of the problems I am going to have is with international phone calls. The business I am attempting is going to require me to make a lot of phone calls to companies in the states, US and UK.
 

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I have always done the 30 day tourist visa

If you head to Thailand, enroll in a language course. Not only is it worth improving your Thai (It's actually, "kopb khun k(r)ap") if you want to live there, but you can also get an ED visa and keep extending it for several years. And you'll meet some expats in the process.

Good luck!

Yeah, unfortunately I don't think I will be able to use Skype for the calls I need to make. Essentially it is cold calling potential licensees. And just sending an email won't really suffice. I'm sure I'll figure something out though.

I've got a Skype number and an Unlimited worldwide plan. The amount of business it lets me conduct makes it all worthwhile. Plus, the number looks like it's coming out of Silicon Valley, so my US clients don't assume I'm some random from Bangladesh.

It's definitely worth the like 15 Euros a month or whatever. You can write it off on your taxes too.
 

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Hi all.

I have seen a few threads like this before, but thought I would start my own on the outside (have a progress thread on the inside) about quitting your job and relocating.

I have been working in the oil and gas construction industry for 3 and a half years, which involved flying to a small island in the middle of nowhere (where there is absolutely nothing), working for 26 days in a row, then getting 9 days off. About 200k AUD per year (150k USD?). Two months ago changed roles from construction to production as the plant came online, which meant changing to a much more friendly 2 weeks on 2 weeks off roster for about 100k AUD per year. I have just been travelling in my time off, usually in Asia.

Living the dream, right?

Wrong.

Don't get me wrong, I am grateful for what the opportunity gave me, and actually enjoyed a lot of it. I remember being quite pissed off when guys would complain about the job and the conditions. Couldn't believe it, with the money they are on, they are complaining? Haha. Well, when your time comes, your time comes I suppose, and it is different for everyone as to when that happens.

But the penny has finally dropped. A large majority of us are here because we want to be financially successful and independent. But it is indeed a great day when you finally realise how little money means you can't enjoy life because you hate your job and spend most of your time working on it :banghead:

Anyway.. I have finally decided to release the golden handcuffs. Luckily I have been pretty good with my coin since I started making this money (previous best before this job was a pittance!). Spent a lot travelling the world but also made some great real estate investments. Tied up more of my cash than I would have liked at this point though! Will be quitting my new role in the next few months (even though I would fecking looove to do it now!) so as to not put out my work crew and supervisor (who is a friend and a good manager). And also allows me to leave on good terms so the possibility to come back in a few years can remain open if absolutely necessary. I always like to do that, even though I have NEVER gone back to a previous job. Really, once I am gone, there is just no going back. But also will allow me to get that last few bank digits I need to be able to live travelling around Asia for the next year or two with a friend. My god it can be done cheaply. And it allows you 100% of your time to study and begin fastlane ideas.

I am also thinking about spending 6 months to a year in south and central America, depending on what I get my final bank balance to.

Would love to hear from anyone else who has done this, and will keep an occasional posting of how it is unfolding.

Cheers!

Where in Asia?
 
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I came back from India about a month ago, spent a few weeks in Goa as part of my month there. Not sure if you've been to India at all yet but it's an awesome place, cheap and the locals are really friendly (I take it much of Asia is like this...?)
Also they largely speak good English with them being an ex-colony so that is a major plus if you want to bed in for a bit.

Goa is really good by the way, definitely worth going to and staying for a while. I can give you some good hostel and club recommendations. The club season is largely over now but it's good when that's in full swing. Distracting though haha.

I have a similar idea for going to Asia for a period and working on biz so we should friend up on FB or whatever.
For sure man, I was actually eyeing up Red door hostel in goa, have read the guys blog on starting a hostel and found it pretty funny. Not worried about it being off season, would probably prefer that anyway. From what I have heard from friends, Goa is somewhere I should expect to stay for at least 3 months. Have done the partying, it's all about having the time and money now. Will PM you!
 
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Hey man!

I quit college and moved to Thailand with a one-way about a year and a half ago. I still spend about $500 a month on everything including food, rent, utilities and transportation.

It gave me a 100% free time to start an online business, sell that, invest in other projects, and build my blog Motiveinmotion.com. I only would have realized that I wanted to help people with their mindset, if I actually took this route. Otherwise, I would still be in school chasing that degree and maybe a freelance career.

Nothing wrong with that, just not fastlane! If you have any questions I'll do my best to answer them for you. I've lived in Thai, Vietnam, Indonesia, and Japan for a bit.
 

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Have you ever stayed in Koh Tao?
You didn't ask me but...awesome place!

I've only been once for 5 days or so but absolutely loved it. Snorkeling was insane. Thousands of fish in front of your eyes, razor sharp reefs though that will slice your hand open if you're not wearing gloves...

neighboring koh nang yuan is stunning and worth making the quick trip over to

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Now I want to get back
 

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I've been on that exact hill haha. Don't know how suitable it would be for what I am trying to do though, but awesome place. Last time I was there the entire place flooded and had to be rescued by the navy a week after I left.

Anyway, I don't want to bombard everyone with jealousy indusing travel porn pics. Where abouts are you based now and how are you finding it for running your business? Did you say you are in Bangkok?
 

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https://nomadlist.com/ seems like a great site for researching potential areas. Although some I have been to and I don't completely agree with regarding their ratings.

Has anyone else come across any similar resources?
 

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This.

I have about plenty of coin and an investment property with a load of equity that is going up an extra 50k a year, but I really think I can do it comfortably on 1000 AUD a month if I only move every 3 months. But 500, you are doing well! I don't know if I could get it that low, but I kind of want to try, even though I don't need to so much. The main thing is to have the time to get more involved in my fastlane venture. I truly believe it would speed up my progress 10 fold.

I have done a bit of Thailand and am off to Tiger Muay thai in Phuket in a few weeks (booked ages ago). Have you ever stayed in Koh Tao? I could see myself spending a few months there haha. But I think Goa and Vietnam for the first 6 to 9 months is a better idea when I just want to focus entirely on my startup company. I will definitely have some questions for you in the future if you don't mind me messaging you.

100% dude. The way I look at it, I just wanted the longest runway because these Fastlane ventures can obviously be unpredictable, and I've found myself in some very low points at times!

If I wasn't frugal, I would've been done for far earlier. There was a point I only had one month's expenses left, and a point where I've had only $100 in the bank ROFL. But I've climbed out of the hole multiple times and that said, I started on only 3k or so, so sounds like you're good! This was literally my first experience w/ business or entrepreneurship and I just dove head first so if you've got savings you'll likely be fine.

Tiger muay thai is the best place in Thailand, and I also trained muay thai and BJJ in Chiang Mai. I personally can't do the islands of Thailand long-term, but that's just me. I love to network with entrepreneurs and people working online because it helps move me forward, and there's tons of backpackers/travelers down in the islands. Just a diff vibe..

However, Koh Hub in Koh Lanta is a networking/coworking space and it's legit! Lots of people doing cool stuff there, Chiang Mai, and Saigon. Punspace is great in Chiang Mai, and Saigon has tons of coffee shops as well as Dreamspace where you can find the people crushing their projects.

No prob, lemme know how I can help!
 
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