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People are becoming frustrated that not everyone is as privileged as others, and it is being paraded in their faces by mass media. They're people who have done everything they were told to do and now they're suffering for it.

It is easier for a rich kid to make money and live well than it is for a poor kid to make money and do the same without doing a shit ton more work. I don't mean to make it sound as if I'm complaining because I don't mean to come off that way; I am merely stating a truth.
 
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Occupy Washington D.C., not Wall street

First off, I'm glad we live in a free country where people can voice their opinion and protest. It's nice to see that people are willing to stand up for what they believe in. And while the protesters are quite misguided in their efforts, it good that people are waking up and taking action.

Unfortunately, they're directing their action at the wrong entity. Sure, they're upset about the disparity in social classes - but getting angry at corporations and demanding wealth distribution goes against the nature of free economy and entrepreneurship.

These protestors are blaming Wall street, when they should be blaming government involvement in the economy. It's the government that's handing cash rewards to failing corporations and banks with tax payer money. Rather than allow the failing companies to go bankrupt, and allowing a new economy to rise, they're getting falsely propped up. The economy is like a drug addict. Every time he's about to hit rock bottom, he takes another hit of drugs, just like the way the government bails out the economy, not allowing it to completely hit rock bottom. Well that can't keep going on forever, and it will make the rock bottom scenario much worse if you keep on prolonging its arrival.

What these protestors need to understand is that the 1% of wealthy are also the ones who provide the most jobs to society. And the reason they haven't been able to provide as much jobs is due to government regulations, taxes, and more meddling in the free markets. And where do these regulations come from? Ironically, a lot of them come from unions, which demand 'workers rights' such as benefits, workers comp, unemployment rights, healthcare, and so on, which in turn makes it that much harder for companies to actually hire people. Unions are a huge part of the problem. It's honestly no wonder companies are fleeing overseas to avoid bankruptcy.

Lastly, I find it hard to empathize with people that play both sides of the coin. On the one hand, they blame Wall street and large corporations, yet they eat at McDonald's, pump gas at Exxon, hold money at Bank of America, buy from Walmart, talk to customer service in India, etc. all the while complaining about outsourcing and large corporations. You can't enjoy the fruits of these corporations while hating on them. You can't complain about high prices, then demand that companies provide more benefits to employees and not pollute the environment, etc. yet continue hiring more people.

It's just that most average people don't understand the basics of economics and government involvement. If these protesters took a simple course on Micro and Macro economics, I think their direction could be much different. As I first said, nothing against them, more power to them, but I think they should wake up a little bit more and use their energy towards a better cause. I think the cause should be "Occupy Washington", not Wall street.
 

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I dont understand their site, if it is official.
Proposed List Of Demands For Occupy Wall St Movement! | OccupyWallSt.org Forum

This is one of their demands from the site.
Demand three: Guaranteed living wage income regardless of employment.

Then at the bottom this is written...after all 13 demands

These demands will create so many jobs it will be completely impossible to fill them without an open borders policy.

Im not sure I understand this...if demand 3 says guaranteed living wage income regardless of employment then dont you think some people wouldnt even want to work at all?
 
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The protesters have already taken more action than any politician has since he strapped on the knee pads, applied the lip stick and went around asking for campaign money.

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Lastly, I find it hard to empathize with people that play both sides of the coin. On the one hand,

You make the assumption that people play both sides of the coin for the reasons you mentioned.
 

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You sound a little hypocritical. They have the right to say what they want and they are, but it doesn't make them right. We have a right to see their obvious flaws and chat about what we think. We aren't out there billy clubbing them over the head and telling them to STFU or anything.

While some of the people may have valid points and chose to protest, it is usually the nut jobs that make the news. Particularly if the news organizations are against the cause of the protestors. What better way to debunk their argument than to showcase the idiots in the crowd. Regardless, it seems to me like a shitload of victims playing the part.


I find it funny(funny as in pissed off not funny haha) that I am the one being called a hypocrit here. I did my very best to not personalize my post or to make specific statments on either side of the issue or about specific posters.

all I did was point out what was being posted. I never said I agreed(or disagreed for that matter) with anything specific. the only thing I believe in is their right to protest and voice their opinions whenever and where ever they want (within reason)without being called names.

I may be here(on this board) for the reason of creating financial freedom and personal wealth but I still live in the real world everyday and I am allowed to have my views and opinions.(which again I did not even express)

I am allowed to disagree with anyones post I want and not be called a hypocrit for it. there were several insulting and imo nasty remarks about people who even thought to agree with the protestors. and untill my post noone who disagreed with the consensus of this thread had posted.

I wasnt saying who was right or wrong(its not my place to decide such things thank god). I was saying it isnt right to dismiss people and call them names because you disagree with thier position.

if you want to have an intelligent conversation try taking the judgements and insults out of the posts first!
 
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Somehow, I think we're saying the same thing. We all have a right to say and feel what we want whether we are online or in the streets, but that doesn't mean people are obligated to sooth our sensibilities. As far as I know none of our rights are being violated (including yours). I'm sorry that you are pissed (and not LOL'ing). You want to know what I say to myself in these circumstances? I say, "You know, if this is the worst thing that happens to me all day then I'm going to be alright!" I think your going to be alright. Have a great day!
 
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These people have no purpose at all. I gave them the benefit of the doubt that they actually had a clue of what they were doing. I was wrong, they're idiots.
 

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[video=youtube;ZFZrNSa3b8g]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZFZrNSa3b8g[/video]
[video=youtube;J0cp_DyfiRU]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J0cp_DyfiRU&feature=related[/video]
[video=youtube;WvG2KQIdjLA]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WvG2KQIdjLA&feature=mfu_in_order&list=UL[/video]
 
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I like Peter Schiff's take on it:

(the wall street stuff starts at 10 minute mark)

[video=youtube;7iJvtQpyx1A#t=9m57s]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7iJvtQpyx1A#t=9m57s[/video]
 
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CptnMidnite Videos... "Best Occupy Wall Street Rant!"

That guy is among the most well-spoken I have heard of any of the Occupy Wallstreet protesters, and perhaps because he doesn't exactly fit in the rest of the crowd. I actually saw his videos before you posted them here... he's the type of person that should be running for office.

But as I stated the first time I posted, the majority of the protesters are more like this guy (LOLOLOL)

[video=youtube;wrPGoPFRUdc]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wrPGoPFRUdc[/video]
 
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For me the biggest reason why I think it is a waste of time is I do not think they are 1: blaming the right people and 2: not providing people with a realistic solution or process to facilitate change.

When they are asking Mr. Obama to tear down wallstreet they should realize that he is owned by wall street and big corps just like every other politician. In my opinion the problem does not lie on wallstreet but in the fiscally irresponsible and corrupt government that is incapable of balancing a budget. They should be protesting in DC and at state/local governments to balance the budget and eliminate the complexities plaguing small start ups so we can get on with rebuilding this country.

Example of a process:

One solution to reduce government spending I heard watching an interview with a business man (don't remember who) commented on how the government could have given some of its employees early retirement packages at the beginning of the crisis. In doing so they would have been able to hire on many of these kids protesting while decreasing labor costs as much as 30%.

Much like us Entrepreneurs if these protesters could focus on one thing at a time and work until it was reached then we could see some change.
 

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I thought this was a spot on comment posted after a story pertaining the movement on Yahoo:

10's of thousands of people in cities across the world is not a revolution. It is a bunch of people living in free societies(for the most part) who are angry they aren't being handed more. We have a generation of kids who are spoiled, demanding, and impatient. Ever since grade school these kids were never challenged, never allowed to fail. We made sure every kid felt good and gave them participation trophy's even when they came in last place. We eliminated gym class games and picking teams because we didn't want to hurt the feelings of the kids picked last. When a kid gets hurt the parents sue, and the school removes what caused the injury whether it be a swing set or slide. Most kids aren't allowed to explore and learn. Parents are afraid to let their kids wander in the woods and get dirty. When a kid gets bad grades the parents don't punish the child, they scream at the teacher. We stopped teaching logic and critical thinking, and instead taught skills only needed to pass some stupid standardized tests. Instead of teaching kids to be productive members of society we teach them they are all special. Then when they get to the real world they realize they are not special. They are no better than anybody else. Since they were never challenged as kids, they lack the skills to survive in the cut throat business world. Now they are upset, and are screaming and yelling like an angry child who wants more candy.
 

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[video=youtube;J0cp_DyfiRU]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J0cp_DyfiRU&feature=related[/video]
[video=youtube;WvG2KQIdjLA]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WvG2KQIdjLA&feature=mfu_in_order&list=UL[/video]

Good share Boz. I didn't watch all 3 of the videos, just a couple minutes of these 2, but I would tend to share the same views with this Chris guy. He puts his message out there better than anyone else I've heard from this movement. I wonder how many people at the movement agree with him on all of the issues he brought up though.
 
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A lot of good discussion here with high quality content. I like. I wrote up a brief thought last week on the Occupy Wall Street crew. Imo, there are 2 types of people there, the 1% that actually know what they are talking about and the 99% that are just following what they hear or see. This is my opinion on the 99%--

"4 weeks have passed since this "Occupy Wall Street" shenanigans started. What productive things have these protesters accomplished with their lives? It's sad that you are punished for working your a$$ off in this country and rewarded for bitching that you don't have a job. Get up and do something! Be a productive member of society. Picketing and sulking that the system is weighing you down will not get you anywhere in life. If they hate capitalism so much, let's place them all into a system of communism. Let them wait for hours and days just to get a government controlled portion of meat and flour. What kind of hell would they raise then? Capitalism works like this- you either work your a$$ off and move up the food chain or you fall to the lower ranks when you don't want to work and get swallowed."
 

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All im going to say on the matter is that it is interesting to see the difference between the american people and the european people. The first day occupy wall street went to europe, the people began to riot and destroy things but in america that doesnt happen.
 
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These protests are motivation to me... not in the way that you might expect. I now want to be a member of the '1%' :D

These protests change nothing. I'm still hustling and working hard on my goals, so that I'll never be reduced to such depravity.
 
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All im going to say on the matter is that it is interesting to see the difference between the american people and the european people. The first day occupy wall street went to europe, the people began to riot and destroy things but in america that doesnt happen.

Europeans aren't stupid.

Whoever controls the might or is willing to be destructive with force sets the rules. If you aren't willing, you are forced to abide by the rules of those who are.

The occupy wallstreet movements cause doesn't have enough spirit for people to go to those extremes because they hardly have a case aside from the fact they're pussies.

There is a book called "Might is Right". I recommend all of you read it.
 

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I have to say I disagree with many of the people posting in this thread! this is america ffs.

for 1 that gives them the right to protest anything they want to!

I may not agree with everything they think I do believe in the right to say whats on your mind.

I dont even know what else to say but wow.

Just because you want to dismiss them as brainwashed hippies doesnt mean that you are right and they are wrong.

I cant even go on for fear I will get banned.

I think it is funny that people that agree with OWS are the first to tout Americanism. That they have the right to protest whatever they want and scold the rest of us for making fun of them for being mindless hippies. Isn't that my right to disagree with them and or make fun of them? Hypocrites.

America= freedom, liberty, capitalism.

OWS= socialism, equality at the expense of liberty and freedom.
 

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Europeans aren't stupid.

Whoever controls the might or is willing to be destructive with force sets the rules. If you aren't willing, you are forced to abide by the rules of those who are.

The occupy wallstreet movements cause doesn't have enough spirit for people to go to those extremes because they hardly have a case aside from the fact they're pussies.

There is a book called "Might is Right". I recommend all of you read it.

Seems like all they did was shoot themselves in the foot IMHO. I think the real reason these riots did not happen in America is because the majority of people in our nation still believe and will fight to protect capitalism.
 
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Seems like all they did was shoot themselves in the foot IMHO. I think the real reason these riots did not happen in America is because the majority of people in our nation still believe and will fight to protect capitalism.

The people in America aren't rioting because they think there is nobility and some sort of spiritual excellence in non-violent protests.
I feel the conscience of your average citizen in this country is completely out of touch with reality due to all the absolute trash being blasted to us through the media. Men are starting to act like women, and the women are starting acting like men.
 
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The whole "I am the 99%" seems a bit odd to me.

It's not like the 1% is an exclusive club. All you have to do is read The Millionaire Fastlane and implement it. If these people want to be wealthy, the only thing preventing them from getting there is themselves.

Of course, that being said, I don't think the government's perfect by any means. I think things DO need to change. But I don't think the 99% idea is hitting the nail on the head... anyone who's willing to work for it can enter the 1%.
 

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Actually, what I don't like about the "we are the 99%" slogan is the involuntary inclusion aspect. I don't believe in a lot of their ideals, but I can't tell you how many times I've heard "but you're in the 99% and are one of us".

A lot like saying that because I'm white, I have to be apart of the Ku Klux Klan.
 
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In some ways this is about the Law of Effection. People who create and make this world a better place should be compensated in a meaningful way than someone who contributes nothing. Unfairness occurs when someone gets compensated disproportionately to what they contribute to society.

Unfortunately, the media sensationalizes information and the result is that most people are misinformed. Politicians on both sides misrepresent information as well and divide this country by isolating and categorizing people and industries rather than uniting the country.

The U.S. is not about everyone being equal in terms of money and material assets, it's about everyone being equal in terms of having the opportunity to better themselves. That should be the goal.
 

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I think we fastlaners subscribe to a different kind of politics than others. Correct me if im wrong but:

We are very capitalistic, yet we don't subscribe to the break your back to make a dollar traditional conservative work ethic where you get good grades, get into a good college and try to get a "good" job; instead we make money work for us. We are more liberal when it comes to debt and leverage for our own gains, we do not believe that personal debt is evil. Yet we appreciate the value of hard work and smart financial decisions while on the fastlane, and do not expect the government to subsidize our lives and we do not appreciate redistributive government policy or burdening regulation. We believe in the ability to take control of our own lives and think that these people should do the same instead of sitting around waiting to be told what to do.
 
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I think that this kind of discontent stems from the widening gap between the haves and have nots. This needs to be addressed in a meaningful way or our society is doomed to experience the consequences of the past.

I don't believe that a solution is possible with our current societal structure. The posts on this thread, although a small sample size, demonstrate as much. Individuals on both sides of the "1% vs 99%" debate all want to have the 'right' opinion which implies that the environment isn't solution-oriented. History is destined to repeat itself ad infinitum. Let them eat cake, as it were.
 

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I'd like you all to consider something completely different from what has been discussed/proposed so far.

Most of you do not remember the last time we had a big recession (the 1970s). It sucked. All of a sudden (it seemed), OPEC jacked up oil prices, and we had gas shortages (and crazy high gas prices).

All of a sudden, people started buying more Japanese cars, b/c they ran on HALF as much gas.

This caused even MORE recession in the auto industry at the time.

In the midst of all this, a movie called Network came out. At the time, it was a radical, ground-breaking film. This was back in the day when Walter Cronkite did the evening news-- a calm, statesmanlike individual who was classy, informed, and presented the news in a straightforward and unbiased manner.

This was before the days of reality TV.

It was before MTV, music videos, viral *anything*.

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Whenever times get tough, people get mad. This has happened throughout history. People are frustrated that their lives are not going well. They don't know WHO to blame (the oil folks? politicians? rich people? corporations?), so they just GET MAD.

I think that's what's happening w/occupy wall street. People have been getting mad/frustrated for the past few years, and this is an outpouring of that frustration.

I don't think there is a central focus. I don't think there needs to be one (except for analyzers, like on this thread, or news reporters, who are trying to make sense of things).

Try NOT to make sense of this.

Try to look at as this: Lots of people, all over the world, are mad and frustrated right now.

Each person has their own reasons for being this way-- maybe they lost their job, or their house, or they're working 3 dead-end sh*t jobs now instead of the one great six-figure job they had 4 years ago.

Whatever the reason, they're mad as hell. And they're not gonna take it anymore.

So they protest.

Take a look at this video, made back in the 1970s. In many ways, it echoes the same sentiment:

[video=youtube;dib2-HBsF08]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dib2-HBsF08[/video]

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So, instead of trying to make sense of this-- don't.

Look at it, instead, as a bunch of folks who are mad/frustrated/want a change for the better.

Do they have a cohesive idea on what to change, and how to change it?

Nope.

They're just mad, and frustrated.

I'm totally not trying to belittle this movement.

I think it's significant, and a very, very important indicator of what's happening in our society/economy right now.

So don't ignore it.

But don't go nuts trying to figure out the intricacies of it.

It's not that complicated.

In a nutshell:

Times are tough.

People are fed up/frustrated.

And they're taking it to the streets.

That's it.

-Russ H
 

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