Got a great opportunity offered today ACN ! Please criticize

[21elnegocio]

So this evening my dad asks me to go with him, because his boss ows him some work money. He does construction, anyways my dad asks me to go with him just to go out on a nice motorcycle ride, he wanted to ride one of my motorcycles. So there we go, then his boss tells him lets go to a meeting it will only be 20 minutes, we are downtown and go into a real Luxurious condos downtown named W6 those who live here in PHX,AZ know what im talking about. These condos cost around 120k and to rent its like 1k+ a month. So a 24 year old guy comes down opens the door and my dads boss introduces us to him and two more people he asked to go as well. We go up and he takes us in his luxurious condo, he starts telling us that when he was 21 he got offered that same opportunity and he took it, its a company called ACN. Its an MLM company, that you earn money from people you sign up & people they sign up and so on. We watch a 10 min video seems interesting to me, but you have to pay $499 to get in and become a member. My dads boss became a member and thats why he took my dad, me, and two other people (one of them was his cousin). Therefore he will getting a percentage from us if we sign up. At the end of the presentation he says if we are interested we can get the form and sign up. Bottom line is I wasnt even suppose to go with my dad there and didnt even know we where going to a meeting about this, HE DIDNT EITHER. So it this really got me hooked since they say opportunities sometimes show up and you have to take them, thats why I said I was in. I come home and quickly research the company, and I see lots of posts saying its a SCAM ????


IS ACN A SCAM ??? MJ Delmarco can you please help me here ??? ASAP
I will be going to another meeting tomorrow with around 200 people, about this. I still havent payed my $499 to become a member please reply before tomorrow !

 

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[Darkside]

Sounds like a pyramid scheme to me. You pay money to get in and whoever brings you in gets a cut of that money. I'd say run away as fast as you can.

 

[21elnegocio]

Sounds like a pyramid scheme to me. You pay money to get in and whoever brings you in gets a cut of that money. I'd say run away as fast as you can.

Thanks man, but damn I signed the application FML and put my card information. I will talk to my bank tomorrow first thing in the morning about it. Its funny how this damn guy had his nice condo and crap, and even got my dads boss into the ACN company as well.

 

[theag]

I always wonder how people can fall for this shit..

 

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[Likwid24]

I suggest to do it - if you want to learn a lesson on why everyone on this forum is so against MLM. It took me two different MLM's to learn my lesson. The first one I figured that it was just the product. The second one I learned that it wasn't the product. The only one's who make money are the guys who started it. It amazes me, that after all these years, people still get sucked in. I guess it's the idea that they have an opportunity to "Get Rich Quick".

You might learn a little about sales, but you will also burn many bridges. I always felt bad for the people that "I got in". I always apologized to them after I realized that we were scammed. I still think that they always keep it in the back of their mind though.

 

[PatrickP]

WOW if you dad's boss didn't tell him ahead of time it was a MLM pitch, he was acting like a real (insert nasty word here)

 

[PatrickP]

I suggest to do it - if you want to learn a lesson on why everyone on this forum is so against MLM. It took me two different MLM's to learn my lesson. The first one I figured that it was just the product. The second one I learned that it wasn't the product. The only one's who make money are the guys who started it. It amazes me, that after all these years, people still get sucked in. I guess it's the idea that they have an opportunity to "Get Rich Quick".

You might learn a little about sales, but you will also burn many bridges. I always felt bad for the people that "I got in". I always apologized to them after I realized that we were scammed. I still think that they always keep it in the back of their mind though.

This is PURE GOLD right here!

Read it and reread it. In 2 paragraphs he says it all.

 

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[21elnegocio]

This is PURE GOLD right here!

Read it and reread it. In 2 paragraphs he says it all.

Damn no wonder when I looked at this sucker straight in the eye, he seemed to turn away. Next time I see him I am going to sock this fool straight in his jaw for trying to get my dad and me in it :seeya:

 

[MJ DeMarco]

Cmon folks, it isn't a SCAM, but just a typical MLM.

There are drivers, and there are hitchhikers.
There are leaders, and there are followers.
There are entrepreneurs and there are sales people.

Choose your path.

 

[21elnegocio]

Cmon folks, it isn't a SCAM, but just a typical MLM.

There are drivers, and there are hitchhikers.
There are leaders, and there are followers.
There are entrepreneurs and there are sales people.

Choose your path.

Please explain MJ

 

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[MJ DeMarco]

Please explain MJ

Sorry, but I shouldn't need to. :huh2:

 

[JEdwards]

Sorry, but I shouldn't need to. :huh2:

No No Let me explain...

https://www.thefastlaneforum.com/ge...ion/39708-naivete-great-thing.html#post211770

 

[Mike39]

Thanks man, but damn I signed the application FML and put my card information. I will talk to my bank tomorrow first thing in the morning about it. Its funny how this damn guy had his nice condo and crap, and even got my dads boss into the ACN company as well.

The nice condo doesn't mean much, he could be one signup away from not being able to pay for that condo, its the I'll look rich but not actually be rich, and well the only good place to be in an MLM is at the top!

 

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[21elnegocio]

Thanks for all your helps guys I feel like a complete idiot for believing this at first

 

[Dezzamondo]

Don't feel like an idiot my friend. MLM is, technically, a legal business model. Like LikWid mentions, you'd certainly learn a lot about sales, but risk alienating yourself from decent people you might otherwise like to know in business.

I think one of the strong reasons for people hating MLM is because of its structure as a pyramid scheme, only with tangiable products instead (making it legal). There are plenty of people out there (and probably on here) that have and do make good money with it, but for the average Joe, they are the ones being suckered in to lose their cash.

Like MJ rightfully points out, its not a scam, there are just so many people out there wanting to believe they can make a fast buck for little effort that these schemes work.

Personally, it's not my cup of tea. Good luck if you do deide to take it forward. (Look at MillionaireBy25 on here who proves it can make some moolah. Then skip to the last couple of pages when he sees the light :hl

All the best,
Dezza

 

[Rain]

MLM* isn't a scam. It's a simplified franchise business model made affordable to the masses.

Is it the ultimate Fastlane opportunity? Obviously not.

Is it better than nothing, if you have nothing else going on? Maybe.



* generally speaking

 

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[Amail]

Thanks for all your helps guys I feel like a complete idiot for believing this at first

Don't feel like an idiot - it's just a failure. The best failures are the ones that you learn from. You've learned a lot from this one, it didn't cost you much (if anything), and it happened quick. Many failures cost hundreds of thousands of dollars and unfold over years. This isn't one of those, but you still earned some wisdom. Move on to the next endeavor.

 

[21elnegocio]

Don't feel like an idiot - it's just a failure. The best failures are the ones that you learn from. You've learned a lot from this one, it didn't cost you much (if anything), and it happened quick. Many failures cost hundreds of thousands of dollars and unfold over years. This isn't one of those, but you still earned some wisdom. Move on to the next endeavor.

Thanks everyone love this forum for the help, It was funny how I thought it was my chance because I wasnt even suppose to be there but damn man lol he almost screwed me over with $499. I launched a mobile auto detailing business, found out it wasnt for me. No currently looking for my second venture, its hard everyday trying to build a new venture thinking thinking brainstorming, researching, etc. But hey who said anything was easy right ?

 

[Mike39]

Thanks everyone love this forum for the help, It was funny how I thought it was my chance because I wasnt even suppose to be there but damn man lol he almost screwed me over with $499. I launched a mobile auto detailing business, found out it wasnt for me. No currently looking for my second venture, its hard everyday trying to build a new venture thinking thinking brainstorming, researching, etc. But hey who said anything was easy right ?

Can I ask what about the presentation got you so hooked? How did the guy pitch it so that it seemed like a sure fire way to wealth?

 

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[21elnegocio]

Can I ask what about the presentation got you so hooked? How did the guy pitch it so that it seemed like a sure fire way to wealth?

The meeting that was at his place hes 24 lives at a 120k condo, seemed legit. Untill I got home googled ACN didnt even have to type scam.

 

[Mike39]

Thanks, just wondering for future reference

 

[21elnegocio]

Thanks, just wondering for future reference

Your welcome man, that dude calls me at 3:30pm asking if I was going to attend the 4pm meeting and ready for the road to success im like no dude, dont have the money to attend. He says " Who did you talk to " Im like "No one its just that I dont have the money at the moment" the thing that has me a bit thinking is that I wrote my debit card number on that application he gave me and the expiration date of my debit card..... Could he take money out ? He also gave me a book after the name "The Business Of The 21st century" by Robert T. Kiyosaki, he texts me earlier I need my book back. :coco::coco: Im like alright ill drop it off later

 

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[Mike39]

Your welcome man, that dude calls me at 3:30pm asking if I was going to attend the 4pm meeting and ready for the road to success im like no dude, dont have the money to attend. He says " Who did you talk to " Im like "No one its just that I dont have the money at the moment" the thing that has me a bit thinking is that I wrote my debit card number on that application he gave me and the expiration date of my debit card..... Could he take money out ? He also gave me a book after the name "The Business Of The 21st century" by Robert T. Kiyosaki, he texts me earlier I need my book back. :coco::coco: Im like alright ill drop it off later

Well he was just being nice so that you would sign up and I would just keep a careful eye on your bank account and make sure there is nothing being removed even though I doubt he would do that

 

[hedgehog757]

This is PURE GOLD right here!

Read it and reread it. In 2 paragraphs he says it all.

Cmon folks, it isn't a SCAM, but just a typical MLM.

There are drivers, and there are hitchhikers.
There are leaders, and there are followers.
There are entrepreneurs and there are sales people.

Choose your path.

Likwid is partially right. But remember, like MJ stated in his book, you want to be the one who created the MLM not the one who is working. Unless you are EXCEPTIONAL at it. I have done a few of them myself. They are not "scams" or they would all be illegal. Are they hard work? Hell yeah! I have made a little money on a few of them and I have some friends that make some decent monthly income and one or two that make what some of us would currently consider a lot of money right now.

A true friend or family member is not going to hold it against you for asking them to join or buy in. Unless you you somehow got them to lose $10,000 or hounded them month after month after they said no. If you ask once and they say no and you leave them alone...how much can they really hold that against you? Obviously some MLMs are better than others.

Also, there are some very rich people who state that an MLM is a great way to make money. Even MJ. Although he said he would create an MLM, not join one. I would not fathom how to create one.

I have a very good friend who is making some good money in an MLM right now. If you feel $499 is worth getting some experience to see what it is truly all about, then go for it. LIFE is all about a LEARNING experience.

I am trying to take everything I have learned in life and move into the fastlane, over and over again.

As for what you do with your money. You have to make your own decisions on that. I don't even know what ACN is. Is it a product? Is it something you have to buy every month?

The other thing you have to remember about MLM is that everyone makes it seem like a get rich quick scheme. It is NOT. although a few do get a lot of money very fast, I would say that is not the norm.

In the end, the choice is ALWAYS yours.

Every day is a school day. Every day is learning day.

 

[21elnegocio]

Cmon folks, it isn't a SCAM, but just a typical MLM.

There are drivers, and there are hitchhikers.
There are leaders, and there are followers.
There are entrepreneurs and there are sales people.

Choose your path.

Likwid is partially right. But remember, like MJ stated in his book, you want to be the one who created the MLM not the one who is working. Unless you are EXCEPTIONAL at it. I have done a few of them myself. They are not "scams" or they would all be illegal. Are they hard work? Hell yeah! I have made a little money on a few of them and I have some friends that make some decent monthly income and one or two that make what some of us would currently consider a lot of money right now.

A true friend or family member is not going to hold it against you for asking them to join or buy in. Unless you you somehow got them to lose $10,000 or hounded them month after month after they said no. If you ask once and they say no and you leave them alone...how much can they really hold that against you? Obviously some MLMs are better than others.

Also, there are some very rich people who state that an MLM is a great way to make money. Even MJ. Although he said he would create an MLM, not join one. I would not fathom how to create one.

I have a very good friend who is making some good money in an MLM right now. If you feel $499 is worth getting some experience to see what it is truly all about, then go for it. LIFE is all about a LEARNING experience.

I am trying to take everything I have learned in life and move into the fastlane, over and over again.

As for what you do with your money. You have to make your own decisions on that. I don't even know what ACN is. Is it a product? Is it something you have to buy every month?

The other thing you have to remember about MLM is that everyone makes it seem like a get rich quick scheme. It is NOT. although a few do get a lot of money very fast, I would say that is not the norm.

In the end, the choice is ALWAYS yours.

Every day is a school day. Every day is learning day.

Thanks yeah I just went, gave him his book back. He asked me politely dude why didnt you want to be part of it who did you talk to ? I said no one I just dont have money to spend right now, I just didnt want to say because I read it was a scam. So he said ok man thanks though, and he said this was a great opportunity for you to make some income.

 

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[Hambone]

The book move is a trick.

They let you 'borrow' the book for two reasons:

1) if you're reading the book, they are furthering their sales process on you, which in turn increases the likeliness that you will buy in. The book will always be pro network marketing (aka mlm) and support things they told you in the original meeting.

2) More importantly, they have given you something that you will have to return. This opens the door for them to draw you back in when you go to return it. He doesn't care about the book, he just wants another run at you.

I spent a few years in an MLM company, and the methods they use to deceive people could be straight from a grifter handbook.

To help cut through the noise:

Forget about the photocopies of checks they show you. This is what they call 'building a story'. I recruit you, I drive your downline for 30-60 days, and get you a respectable check. Then I photocopy it, put it in a flip book for you, and you now have a story that goes like this:

'When I started with ACN I was skeptical, like I'm sure most people are. However, I figured I had nothing to lose, so I gave it a try. 60 days later, not even knowing what I was doing, I made this check for $3,500 and I've never looked back. Now, 8 months later, I am making enough money that I was able to leave my $75k per year job; I have more free time than ever, and my life is on a completely different path. I am building a business, instead of working a dead-end job."

Sounds awesome, but all you really know is that I made $3,500 one time. You will want to believe that I said I'm making more than $75k/yr after only 8 months...but I cleverly left out the specifics of what I am actually making. All I said is I was able to leave my job. What does that mean? In the MLM world...nothing.

They are all about flash and 'act as if', but almost none of them are making what you would hope. In fact a lot of them are buried in credit card debt from trying to put up a believable front.

Cut through this noise by insisting on proof. Forget checks, and ask for income figures in annual numbers. These guys will notoriously quote their largest check ever as being 'the norm', and some will extrapolate that into annual income even though they were nowhere close. You wouldn't buy a business without having a look at their books, so treat this the same. Ask for a copy of his most recent 1099. In addition, ask for a look at the 1099's of his other successful recruits.

The #3 producer in the company I was in consistently showed checks for $10k his first month, $18k his third month, and $50k by his 7th month. I became close with this guy as I opened up offices, and when he finally quit he told me what he was making....$32k per year! He had everyone convinced he was making millions, and it was all smoke. The only people making money were the founders.

Read MJ's book, as it sounds like you haven't. He does the best job I've seen at spotlighting the fallacies of the MLM model. As MJ says, you aren't a business owner in an MLM, you are basically just a sales rep who can enlist a sales team.

Good luck bud.



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[21elnegocio]

The book move is a trick.

They let you 'borrow' the book for two reasons:

1) if you're reading the book, they are furthering their sales process on you, which in turn increases the likeliness that you will buy in. The book will always be pro network marketing (aka mlm) and support things they told you in the original meeting.

2) More importantly, they have given you something that you will have to return. This opens the door for them to draw you back in when you go to return it. He doesn't care about the book, he just wants another run at you.

I spent a few years in an MLM company, and the methods they use to deceive people could be straight from a grifter handbook.

To help cut through the noise:

Forget about the photocopies of checks they show you. This is what they call 'building a story'. I recruit you, I drive your downline for 30-60 days, and get you a respectable check. Then I photocopy it, put it in a flip book for you, and you now have a story that goes like this:

'When I started with ACN I was skeptical, like I'm sure most people are. However, I figured I had nothing to lose, so I gave it a try. 60 days later, not even knowing what I was doing, I made this check for $3,500 and I've never looked back. Now, 8 months later, I am making enough money that I was able to leave my $75k per year job; I have more free time than ever, and my life is on a completely different path. I am building a business, instead of working a dead-end job."

Sounds awesome, but all you really know is that I made $3,500 one time. You will want to believe that I said I'm making more than $75k/yr after only 8 months...but I cleverly left out the specifics of what I am actually making. All I said is I was able to leave my job. What does that mean? In the MLM world...nothing.

They are all about flash and 'act as if', but almost none of them are making what you would hope. In fact a lot of them are buried in credit card debt from trying to put up a believable front.

Cut through this noise by insisting on proof. Forget checks, and ask for income figures in annual numbers. These guys will notoriously quote their largest check ever as being 'the norm', and some will extrapolate that into annual income even though they were nowhere close. You wouldn't buy a business without having a look at their books, so treat this the same. Ask for a copy of his most recent 1099. In addition, ask for a look at the 1099's of his other successful recruits.

The #3 producer in the company I was in consistently showed checks for $10k his first month, $18k his third month, and $50k by his 7th month. I became close with this guy as I opened up offices, and when he finally quit he told me what he was making....$32k per year! He had everyone convinced he was making millions, and it was all smoke. The only people making money were the founders.

Read MJ's book, as it sounds like you haven't. He does the best job I've seen at spotlighting the fallacies of the MLM model. As MJ says, you aren't a business owner in an MLM, you are basically just a sales rep who can enlist a sales team.

Good luck bud.



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Yeah that first paragraph sounds similar of what he said, screw him though im glad I didnt give that guy my $499. I did my research quick ! If I woudnt of done my search I would of already payed those 500 dollars earlier this afternoon today. Your right, im like on the 120 page of MJ's book I need to read it quick ! Before I fall for one of these scammers

 

[hedgehog757]

Yeah that first paragraph sounds similar of what he said, screw him though im glad I didnt give that guy my $499. I did my research quick ! If I woudnt of done my search I would of already payed those 500 dollars earlier this afternoon today. Your right, im like on the 120 page of MJ's book I need to read it quick ! Before I fall for one of these scammers

That's pretty good advice. One thing I never liked about MLM. Don't tell them WHY they are coming to the meeting. Let them find out when they get there. I don't really have the right personality to do MLM. And that is exactly why they give you the books/magazines, so you have to bring them back.

MJ makes some great points about it in his book.

 

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[21elnegocio]

That's pretty good advice. One thing I never liked about MLM. Don't tell them WHY they are coming to the meeting. Let them find out when they get there. I don't really have the right personality to do MLM. And that is exactly why they give you the books/magazines, so you have to bring them back.

MJ makes some great points about it in his book.

Damn tell you guys the truth I dont really like receiving gifts from anyone, I heard a quote once that went like this "Nothing in this life is free" when people want to give me stuff im like no thanks im alright sometimes people get offended they say im an a**hole, its just the way I think though. I only took it because I really thought this was an opportunity and plus I thought a free book from a wealthy guy wouldn't matter much too him. I need to hurry up and spend some good hours reading MJ's book today, im on it

 

[hedgehog757]

A gift is a gift. Eventually someone who gives you a gift may get it back in some other way. Not even from you. The book wasn't a gift. It was a business proposition. He needed it back. A gift is something someone gives you when they expect nothing in return.