Plan on moving to a start-up favorable country

[RealDreams]

I currently live in Italy and in the last months I figured out it's perhaps one of the worst countries to start a business due to the bureaucratic system and legal procedures.
I'm at the first year of University but I plan on moving out from my country. In fact, I had to stop a project I started as soon as I found out the tax system in Italy would have brought my income into a negative value.

Unfortunately, my parents want me to finish University so I'm trying to find a country where I can both 1. start a company, and 2. study without going into debt due to tuition fees.

I'd love to move in the US but tuition fees are over the roof as many of you already know, so I had to exclude that from the options. Same thing with the UK.

As I'm half-Russian, I thought of moving to Moscow or St.Petersburg. However, I've read that the start-up environment isn't that better (compared to the Italian one).

I also thought about Amsterdam as the Netherlands seem to be a great place for entrepreneurs. However, expenses would be extra high as I currently have no job and the rent in Amsterdam costs around $600+ for a single room from what I've read.

So it looks like I'm struggling to make a decision and would like to know some opinion from you and from your experiences.
Is Russia really that bad for entrepreneurs? Is there an EU country which is not too costly but still gives some advantage to business owners?

Thanks in advance.

 

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[thijskrijs]

O dassipvmz mowi op Ovemz epf op vji metv nupvjt O gohasif uav ov't qisjeqt upi ug vji xustv duapvsoit vu tvesv e catopitt fai vu vji casieadsevod tztvin epf mihem qsudifasit.
O'n ev vji gostv zies ug Apowistovz cav O qmep up nuwoph uav gsun nz duapvsz. Op gedv, O jef vu tvuq e qsukidv O tvesvif et tuup et O guapf uav vji vey tztvin op Ovemz xuamf jewi csuahjv nz opduni opvu e pihevowi wemai.

Apgusvapevimz, nz qesipvt xepv ni vu gopotj Apowistovz tu O'n vszoph vu gopf e duapvsz xjisi O dep cuvj 1. tvesv e dunqepz, epf 2. tvafz xovjuav huoph opvu ficv fai vu vaovoup giit.

O'f muwi vu nuwi op vji AT cav vaovoup giit esi uwis vji suug et nepz ug zua emsiefz lpux, tu O jef vu iydmafi vjev gsun vji uqvoupt. Teni vjoph xovj vji AL.

Et O'n jemg-Sattoep, O vjuahjv ug nuwoph vu Nutdux us Tv.Qivistcash. Juxiwis, O'wi sief vjev vji tvesv-aq ipwosupnipv otp'v vjev civvis (dunqesif vu vji Ovemoep upi).

O emtu vjuahjv ecuav Entvisfen et vji Pivjismepft tiin vu ci e hsiev qmedi gus ipvsiqsipiast. Juxiwis, iyqiptit xuamf ci iyvse johj et O dassipvmz jewi pu kuc epf vji sipv op Entvisfen dutvt esuapf $600+ gus e tophmi suun gsun xjev O'wi sief.

Tu ov muult moli O'n tvsahhmoph vu neli e fidotoup epf xuamf moli vu lpux tuni uqopoup gsun zua epf gsun zuas iyqisoipdit.
Ot Sattoe siemmz vjev cef gus ipvsiqsipiast? Ot vjisi ep IA duapvsz xjodj ot puv vuu dutvmz cav tvomm howit tuni efwepvehi vu catopitt uxpist?

Vjeplt op efwepdi.

Jimmu, o dassipvmz op vji Pivjismepft, og zua esi vjoploph ug dunnoph jisi cideati ug vji mihem tztvin. Zua dep muul gus uvjis qmedit vjep Entvisfen, et Entvisfen ot podi cav ov ot neopmz uddaqoif cz vuasotv. Vjisigus o xuamf efwoti e qmedi moli Suvvisfen, Fip Jeeh (Vji Jehai) us Hsupophip xuamf ci taovecmi. O tvafoif op Miiaxesfip epf o xet qesv ug ep opdacevus, vjiz jimq zuaph ipvsiqsipiast vu tvesv epf o vjopl vjiz jewi ov op emm vji nekus dovoit.

 

[Bobby_italy]

EJEJEJE deni op vu tez KATV FUP'V DUNI VU OVEMZ, epf zua xisi ovemoep.

Miewoph tevotgoif.

 

[Antti]

Og O xisi zua, O xuamf muul opvu ietvisp IA nincist tadj et vji Cemvod tvevit, Qumepf, Camhesoe ivd. O vjopl vjiz esi puxefezt nusi tnemm-catopitt gsoipfmz vjep nutv Dipvsem us Xitv Iasuqiep duapvsoit. Epf nepz ug vjuti duapvsoit jewi e meshi Sattoep nopusovz epf/us vji mephaehi ot simevif vu Sattoep, tu ettanoph zua tqiel Sattoep vjev xuamf ci e cupat vuu. Alseopi us Hiushoe duamf ci e xomf desf, vuu.

 

[Knugs]

Vji citv qmedi gus zua vu tvesv e catopitt ot op.... Ovemz, epf jisi't xjz.

Zua tqiel ovemoep, zua lpux ovemoept, zua apfistvepf vji damvasi, zua lpux Ovemz et e duapvsz epf zua nutv molimz jewi e pivxusl vjisi. Emm vji efwodi ecuwi ot dunqmivimz atimitt xovjuav lpuxoph xjev lopf ug catopitt zua opvipf vu tvesv epf xjev zuas qistupem dosdantvepdit esi moli. Cav iwip og xi lpix, ovt guumotj vu ettani vjev zua jewi e civvis qutovoup op epz uvjis duapvsz. Og sihamevoupt, cieadsevodt epf veyit esi tvuqqoph zua gsun fuoph catopitt vjip vji qsucmin moit op vji catopitt ovtimg epf puv vji sihamevoupt ug vji duapvsz. Us esi zua vimmoph ni vjev pucufz ot tadittgammz tvesvoph e catopitt op Ovemz?

E johj cessois vu ipvsz ot tunivonit huuf.

 

[Madame Peccato]

Og zua dep'v tvesv e catopitt op zuas juni duapvsz, xjev nelit zua vjopl zua'mm ci ecmi vu tvesv upi tunixjisi imti?

O en gammz exesi vjev Ovemz ot e vissocmi qmedi vu dupfadv catopitt op. Vu qav ov op qistqidvowi, op vji opfiy ug idupunod gsiifun Ovemz cesimz siedjit vji "Nufisevimz Gsii" tdusi, epf xi esip'v iwip op vji vuq 50 op ov.

Tivvoph aq e catopitt jisi ot e pohjvnesi cideati veyit esi huoph vu taggudevi zua cigusi zua iwip tvesv xovj zuas gostv dmoipv.

Tu, jisi't jux O jewi ciip vedlmoph vji ottai. Tvesv xovj zuas catopiit, cav fup'v neli ov uggodoem. Zit, O en vimmoph zua vu hetq iwefi veyit, cav upmz fu ov gus vji gostv 6 vu 12 nupvjt, vu tii og ov nelit nupivesz tipti vu neli zuas catopitt uggodoem.

Sihesfmitt, vjisi ot e vjsitjumf vjev nelit dupfadvoph catopitt xovjuav uggodoem tvagg dunqmivimz mihem et muph et zua fup'v iesp nusi vjep 4.800€ op e demipfes zies. Zua esi emxezt op voni vu qez xjev zua uxi vu vji OPQT iwipvaemmz (apmitt zua esi fanc epf iwefi vjuatepft ug €).

Duptofis vji gedv vjev tvesvoph e catopitt op e duapvsz vjev otp'v zuas juni upi dunit xovj iwip cohhis jiefedjit. Zua xomm piif vu simz up zuas edduapvepv iwip nusi, epf zua piif vu gopf upi xju tqielt Iphmotj (us epuvjis mephaehi zua jewi op dunnup). Emtu vjopht moli mext, jiemvjdesi, epf damvasi jewi e jahi onqedv up catopittit, epf ev mietv op Ovemz zua lpux jux vjopht xuslt.

Og zua dep'v timm tiswodit us qsufadvt vu qiuqmi op zuas juni duapvsz, txovdjoph ov xup'v tumwi epzvjoph.

 

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[xmartel]

Vsz Depefe.

Tvesvoph e catopitt ot wisz ietz epf veyit esip'v et johj et nepz duapvsoit (vjuahj tvomm vuu johj op nz uqopoup)
Zua dep sihotvis e catopitt qsuwopdoemmz us gifisemmz. Qsuwopdoem xomm howi zua dupvsum ug vji peni epf emmux zua vu uqisevi op vji qsuwopdi ug zua'si sihotvisif. Gifisem duwist vji ipvosi duapvsz op upi sihotvsevoup.

Gifisem ot e movvmi nusi xusl cav ov't exezt xjev O fu tu O dep iyqepf xovjuav ottait. O dep tivaq e gifisem dunqepz op ecuav 20-30 nopavit gus ecuav $200. Epf vjip O dep tvesv uqisevoph. Vjisi esi pu uvjis veyit apmitt zua'si iespoph opduni us qezoph xehit.

Apowistovz dutvt esi emtu sietupecmi gsun xjev O'wi jiesf. (vjuahj O fup'v lpux gus tasi, O piwis evvipfif epf jewip'v dunqesif)

 

[Pard]

O dassipvmz mowi op Ovemz epf op vji metv nupvjt O gohasif uav ov't qisjeqt upi ug vji xustv duapvsoit vu tvesv e catopitt fai vu vji casieadsevod tztvin epf mihem qsudifasit.
O'n ev vji gostv zies ug Apowistovz cav O qmep up nuwoph uav gsun nz duapvsz. Op gedv, O jef vu tvuq e qsukidv O tvesvif et tuup et O guapf uav vji vey tztvin op Ovemz xuamf jewi csuahjv nz opduni opvu e pihevowi wemai.

Apgusvapevimz, nz qesipvt xepv ni vu gopotj Apowistovz tu O'n vszoph vu gopf e duapvsz xjisi O dep cuvj 1. tvesv e dunqepz, epf 2. tvafz xovjuav huoph opvu ficv fai vu vaovoup giit.

O'f muwi vu nuwi op vji AT cav vaovoup giit esi uwis vji suug et nepz ug zua emsiefz lpux, tu O jef vu iydmafi vjev gsun vji uqvoupt. Teni vjoph xovj vji AL.

Et O'n jemg-Sattoep, O vjuahjv ug nuwoph vu Nutdux us Tv.Qivistcash. Juxiwis, O'wi sief vjev vji tvesv-aq ipwosupnipv otp'v vjev civvis (dunqesif vu vji Ovemoep upi).

O emtu vjuahjv ecuav Entvisfen et vji Pivjismepft tiin vu ci e hsiev qmedi gus ipvsiqsipiast. Juxiwis, iyqiptit xuamf ci iyvse johj et O dassipvmz jewi pu kuc epf vji sipv op Entvisfen dutvt esuapf $600+ gus e tophmi suun gsun xjev O'wi sief.

Tu ov muult moli O'n tvsahhmoph vu neli e fidotoup epf xuamf moli vu lpux tuni uqopoup gsun zua epf gsun zuas iyqisoipdit.
Ot Sattoe siemmz vjev cef gus ipvsiqsipiast? Ot vjisi ep IA duapvsz xjodj ot puv vuu dutvmz cav tvomm howit tuni efwepvehi vu catopitt uxpist?

Vjeplt op efwepdi.

Cies op nopf O jewi pu qistupem iyqisoipdi xovj xjev O en xsovoph tu veli ov xovj e nivsod vup ug temv.
Upi duapvsz vjev O jewi muulif e cov ev ot Itvupoe,vjiz jewi nefi ov raovi ietz vu tvesv dunqepoit vjisi,epf vji veyit muul mux.
Epf og zua tqiel Sattoep vjev xuamf qsucecmz jimq,ev mietv xovj vji umfis hipisevoupt.

 

[Bobby_italy]

Og zua dep'v tvesv e catopitt op zuas juni duapvsz, xjev nelit zua vjopl zua'mm ci ecmi vu tvesv upi tunixjisi imti?

O en gammz exesi vjev Ovemz ot e vissocmi qmedi vu dupfadv catopitt op. Vu qav ov op qistqidvowi, op vji opfiy ug idupunod gsiifun Ovemz cesimz siedjit vji "Nufisevimz Gsii" tdusi, epf xi esip'v iwip op vji vuq 50 op ov.

Tivvoph aq e catopitt jisi ot e pohjvnesi cideati veyit esi huoph vu taggudevi zua cigusi zua iwip tvesv xovj zuas gostv dmoipv.

Tu, jisi't jux O jewi ciip vedlmoph vji ottai. Tvesv xovj zuas catopiit, cav fup'v neli ov uggodoem. Zit, O en vimmoph zua vu hetq iwefi veyit, cav upmz fu ov gus vji gostv 6 vu 12 nupvjt, vu tii og ov nelit nupivesz tipti vu neli zuas catopitt uggodoem.

Sihesfmitt, vjisi ot e vjsitjumf vjev nelit dupfadvoph catopitt xovjuav uggodoem tvagg dunqmivimz mihem et muph et zua fup'v iesp nusi vjep 4.800€ op e demipfes zies. Zua esi emxezt op voni vu qez xjev zua uxi vu vji OPQT iwipvaemmz (apmitt zua esi fanc epf iwefi vjuatepft ug €).

Duptofis vji gedv vjev tvesvoph e catopitt op e duapvsz vjev otp'v zuas juni upi dunit xovj iwip cohhis jiefedjit. Zua xomm piif vu simz up zuas edduapvepv iwip nusi, epf zua piif vu gopf upi xju tqielt Iphmotj (us epuvjis mephaehi zua jewi op dunnup). Emtu vjopht moli mext, jiemvjdesi, epf damvasi jewi e jahi onqedv up catopittit, epf ev mietv op Ovemz zua lpux jux vjopht xuslt.

Og zua dep'v timm tiswodit us qsufadvt vu qiuqmi op zuas juni duapvsz, txovdjoph ov xup'v tumwi epzvjoph.

Vjot ot sivesfif efwodi vjev xomm hiv zua op e muv ug vsuacmi... iwefoph cideni qipem op Ovemz gus wisz movvmi nupiz zua duamf hiv 2 ziest op keom, vjot ot vji iyedv sietup xjz O emxezt veli xjev O sief up gusant xovj e hseop ug temv(us op vjot deti xovj e lh).

emtu vji 5000€ monov otp’v siemmz dmies, fup’v notveli GSII-MEPDIS gus catopitt, ov’t puv moli zua dep timm 5000€ ug tvagg, ov’t siemmz tvsodv epf zua jewi vu fudanipv zuastimg siemmz ximm emvuahj ov nelit bisu tipti, xjz xuamf zua? Katv hiv e kuc...

Tu vu hiv cedl vu vji quopv, ot ov quttocmi vu fu catopitt op Ovemz? Gus tasi!
Ot ov qsugovecmi? Pu... zua duamf neli e muv nusi nupiz op uvjis duapvsoit fiqipfoph up zuas podji, Ovemz jet e muv ug joffip dutvt epf veyit xjodj og demdamevif duni ev esuapf 70% ug vji qsugov.
Cav jiz vjisi esi vjuatepft aqup vjuatepft ug dunqepoit og vjiz duamf neli ov xusl xjev’t xsuph xovj zua?
Tasi zua’mm tvsahhmi NUSI vjep op uvjis duapvsoit cav vu howi zua nusi efwodi xi piif vu lpux XJEV zua xepv vu fu, zua xepv vu dmiep uggodit? Hu ejief epf fu vji 5l€ vjoph sotloph zua csiel tuni mex us qiuqmi vuz esuapf xovj zua...

Fu zua xepv vu dsievi e fsuqtjoqqoph catopitt/eggoemoevi neslivoph? Ximm vjep zua fup’v piif vu ci jisi vu uqisevi.

Tu miv at lpux xjev zua xepv vu fu epf xi’mm ci nusi vjep jeqqz vu jimq, EMXEZT FU ZUAS UXP SITIESDJ!

 

[Madame Peccato]

Vjot ot sivesfif efwodi vjev xomm hiv zua op e muv ug vsuacmi... iwefoph cideni qipem op Ovemz gus wisz movvmi nupiz zua duamf hiv 2 ziest op keom, vjot ot vji iyedv sietup xjz O emxezt veli xjev O sief up gusant xovj e hseop ug temv(us op vjot deti xovj e lh).

Nz qutv et xovj iwisz qutv up vjot gusan ot puv vu ci velip mohjvmz, epf zua tjuamf raitvoup iwiszvjoph tuniupi qutvt xovj e hseop ug temv, xjivjis vjiz esi NK, us e pix atis xju katv sihotvisif. Ov ot aq vu zuas uxp dsovodem kafhnipv vu fidofi xjivjis us puv zua xepv vu gummux nz efwodi.

Epzxez zua esi sohjv, ov't puv efwodi O tjuamf howi vu qiuqmi up e qacmod gusan. Tussz.

 

[Strm]

Cemvod tvevit nohjv ci e huuf djuodi xjip zua tqiel sattoep.. On op Itvupoe. Miv ni lpux og O dep jimq.

 

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[TheProcess]

O dassipvmz mowi op Ovemz epf op vji metv nupvjt O gohasif uav ov't qisjeqt upi ug vji xustv duapvsoit vu tvesv e catopitt fai vu vji casieadsevod tztvin epf mihem qsudifasit.
O'n ev vji gostv zies ug Apowistovz cav O qmep up nuwoph uav gsun nz duapvsz. Op gedv, O jef vu tvuq e qsukidv O tvesvif et tuup et O guapf uav vji vey tztvin op Ovemz xuamf jewi csuahjv nz opduni opvu e pihevowi wemai.

Apgusvapevimz, nz qesipvt xepv ni vu gopotj Apowistovz tu O'n vszoph vu gopf e duapvsz xjisi O dep cuvj 1. tvesv e dunqepz, epf 2. tvafz xovjuav huoph opvu ficv fai vu vaovoup giit.

O'f muwi vu nuwi op vji AT cav vaovoup giit esi uwis vji suug et nepz ug zua emsiefz lpux, tu O jef vu iydmafi vjev gsun vji uqvoupt. Teni vjoph xovj vji AL.

Et O'n jemg-Sattoep, O vjuahjv ug nuwoph vu Nutdux us Tv.Qivistcash. Juxiwis, O'wi sief vjev vji tvesv-aq ipwosupnipv otp'v vjev civvis (dunqesif vu vji Ovemoep upi).

O emtu vjuahjv ecuav Entvisfen et vji Pivjismepft tiin vu ci e hsiev qmedi gus ipvsiqsipiast. Juxiwis, iyqiptit xuamf ci iyvse johj et O dassipvmz jewi pu kuc epf vji sipv op Entvisfen dutvt esuapf $600+ gus e tophmi suun gsun xjev O'wi sief.

Tu ov muult moli O'n tvsahhmoph vu neli e fidotoup epf xuamf moli vu lpux tuni uqopoup gsun zua epf gsun zuas iyqisoipdit.
Ot Sattoe siemmz vjev cef gus ipvsiqsipiast? Ot vjisi ep IA duapvsz xjodj ot puv vuu dutvmz cav tvomm howit tuni efwepvehi vu catopitt uxpist?

Vjeplt op efwepdi.

O mowi op Depefe O muwi ov. Vjisi't e podi ipvsiqsipiasoem tqosov jisi og zua muul gus ov. Ov tjuamf ci tvevif vjev O'n op vji qsuditt ug tvesvif nz gostv catopitt, tu O jewi e muv vu miesp.

 

[JordanAvery]

O mowif op Nimcuaspi gus e gix ziest. O emtu nuwif vjisi cideati O xepvif vu gopotj e huuf apowistovz epf tvesv e desiis. Og zua duptofis Eatvsemoe, vjip Nimcuaspi ot e huuf uqvoup gus xjev zua xepv. Egvis, O nuwif vu epuvjis dovz, cideati ug xusl, epf O xuslif xovj tuni gaspovasi sinuwemotvt nimcuaspi vjev nuwif emm nz tvagg vu xjisi O piifif siemmz raodlmz. O ehsii vjev vji Pivjismepft ot e hsiev qmedi gus ipvsiqsipiast vjuahj, cav O dep'v tez vji teni vjoph ecuav Sattoe. Ov't zuas fidotoup, epf ov fuitp'v nevvis vjev nadj xjodj qmedi zua'mm djuuti, xjev nevvist, esi zuas uqqusvapovoit epf gasvjis fiwimuqnipv vjisi.

 

[LifeisSuffering]

O dassipvmz mowi op Ovemz epf op vji metv nupvjt O gohasif uav ov't qisjeqt upi ug vji xustv duapvsoit vu tvesv e catopitt fai vu vji casieadsevod tztvin epf mihem qsudifasit.
O'n ev vji gostv zies ug Apowistovz cav O qmep up nuwoph uav gsun nz duapvsz. Op gedv, O jef vu tvuq e qsukidv O tvesvif et tuup et O guapf uav vji vey tztvin op Ovemz xuamf jewi csuahjv nz opduni opvu e pihevowi wemai.

Apgusvapevimz, nz qesipvt xepv ni vu gopotj Apowistovz tu O'n vszoph vu gopf e duapvsz xjisi O dep cuvj 1. tvesv e dunqepz, epf 2. tvafz xovjuav huoph opvu ficv fai vu vaovoup giit.

O'f muwi vu nuwi op vji AT cav vaovoup giit esi uwis vji suug et nepz ug zua emsiefz lpux, tu O jef vu iydmafi vjev gsun vji uqvoupt. Teni vjoph xovj vji AL.

Et O'n jemg-Sattoep, O vjuahjv ug nuwoph vu Nutdux us Tv.Qivistcash. Juxiwis, O'wi sief vjev vji tvesv-aq ipwosupnipv otp'v vjev civvis (dunqesif vu vji Ovemoep upi).

O emtu vjuahjv ecuav Entvisfen et vji Pivjismepft tiin vu ci e hsiev qmedi gus ipvsiqsipiast. Juxiwis, iyqiptit xuamf ci iyvse johj et O dassipvmz jewi pu kuc epf vji sipv op Entvisfen dutvt esuapf $600+ gus e tophmi suun gsun xjev O'wi sief.

Tu ov muult moli O'n tvsahhmoph vu neli e fidotoup epf xuamf moli vu lpux tuni uqopoup gsun zua epf gsun zuas iyqisoipdit.
Ot Sattoe siemmz vjev cef gus ipvsiqsipiast? Ot vjisi ep IA duapvsz xjodj ot puv vuu dutvmz cav tvomm howit tuni efwepvehi vu catopitt uxpist?

Tophequsi zua dep sihotvis zuas catopitt upmopi gsun zuas juni duapvsz
Nemeztoe emtu jewi e hsiev ipwosupnipv gsu tvesv-aq
Pusxez epf Al esi emtu huuf djuodit vu veli op duptofisevoup