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I am running a music production site to help music producers. The site currently contains a free download library of music production tools as well as interviews, tutorials, and music production news. The site made almost no money when I was running it and all the social media accounts for the 3 years of its existence. My plan was to build an audience before I started selling to them, which is why I did not look to make money. I met my co-founder and we transitioned into building a business and did planning for a year. Right now we are getting a web developer to build a marketplace that will be incorporated into what I have already created with the website. Now we are at the point where we are working on a founders agreement and equity split. (yes, this should have been done earlier)

Important Factor to consider
  • We are both financially unstable. However, my co-founder is more financially unstable than me and has a hard time paying his bills.

My Relationship With Cofounder
  • When I was networking for my website, I met my co-founder
  • On and off for a year, he helped me with potential ideas on how to grow the website's audience and helped build my Facebook group without asking for anything in return r
  • A year after I met him, I hired him to build the brand identity for $700 as he had prior experience with working on brand identities.
  • He worked on the brand identity and this eventually led to us collaborating on building a business.
  • In addition to the $700, I started to pay him monthly 1 month after the $700 payment for his help with building the business. I paid him $300 each month for 5 months and have paid him $140 each month for 4 months
  • We are now at the point where we have the business plan, website mockups and specs and requirements done and are having the marketplace built
  • Through this time, we did not discuss a founders agreement and we are currently trying to work out an agreement and most importantly the equity split.

Past Contributions

Cofounder
  • Came Up with business idea
  • Created Mockups & Specs & Requirements for website
  • Created logo, tagline, brand story, and brand meaning (Didn’t finish everything he said he would for the brand identity because he said he wanted to wait till the website was being built)
  • Found web developer that we are currently using to build the website.
  • Has experience in brand identity, graphic design, and a little bit of entrepreneurial experience.

Me
  • Founded the website and ran it by myself for 3 years
    • Built website
    • Grew community (social media following, email list, website monthly visitors)
    • Maintains the community every day
  • Paid my co founder $2,800 over the last year to help me build the business
  • Spent $15,000 on the project not included the money sent to cofounder. Co-founder has contributed $0 to this business and doesn’t plan to contribute out of pocket for the business because of his financial situation.
  • Created the business plan
  • I have more expertise in the music industry than my co-founder, but no experience with entrepreneurship except for the 3 years running the website and community.

Future Contributions

  • We both plan to be with this business for the long haul. (We might change our minds in the future, but for now, we don’t plan to build the business and then sell it as soon as possible)
  • The job distribution for running the business is pretty evenly split.

Other Notes

  • In the time that my cofounder has been getting paid by me to help build the business, he has had a lot of issues with his living situation and every day living because of his financial situation. Everything that he created (mockups, logo, brand identity, etc.) for building the business was never on time. His personal financial situation has been an issue that keeps him from spending consistent time on this project.
  • In the year that we were working on building the business, I just maintained the community and did not look to expand it.
  • My co-founders strength is his ideas. I still am not sure about the execution of his ideas though.
  • He is also a graphic designer, but I am skeptical of his ability in this as he did not have many examples of his work and the ones he showed me were not very good. He has not worked professionally as a graphic designer for a decade.
  • I trust my co-founder, but I am not sure if he will be able to put in the required work for it to be successful.

So the question is, what should our equity split be in the company?

In my opinion, I should get a bigger share of equity. (I know, shocker)

I was thinking 65% for me and 35% for my cofounder.

I founded the website and community and laid the foundation for 3 years. My cofounder had little involvement in this. (helping with ideas and a little community building in the Facebook group)

My co-founder came up with the business idea, created the mockups and specs & requirements.

He has contributed $0 to the project. I have paid for everything.

When we launch the marketplace, we will be starting from with a community and foundation that I laid over the last 3 years.

I would like to know your honest opinion on an approximate equity split based off of the information that I have provided.

Thank you for taking the time to read this post and comment!

I know it was quite long, so I really appreciate it!
 
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Cedl uav pux.

Og ji piift nupiz, neli e fiem vu qez jon $y enuapv us % cav fu PUV jewi e 'du-guapfis'. Xovjuav nupiz ji dep puv nuwi gusxesf tu ji lopfe jet pu djuodi.

Cigusi zua jewi epzupi et e du-guapfis..... tjav ov fuxp epf nuwi up.
 
Ziej, ji fuitp'v tuapf moli nadj ug e duguapfis. Ji tuapft nusi moli ep inqmuzii. Jux nadj miwisehi fuit ji jewi? Og zua cedl uav epf tez "pu, O'n puv huoph vu neli zua e duguapfis", jux nadj fenehi dep ji fu?

Ji duamf ci ep inqmuzii xovj tuni aqtofi, e gix % vu xjiv jot xjotvmi... cav apfis pu dosdantvepdit tjuamf zua howi jon e coh tjesi xjip vjot ot zuas qsukidv.
 
Og zua fu qsudiif xovj iraovz tqmovvoph, fu ov up e voni/detj cetot. Op uvjis xusft, tvesv xovj ep opovoem wemai ug vji ettiv zua caomv vjev jef nupivobevoup quvipvoem. Op vjot essephinipv vjev't xusvj ev mietv vji voni zua qav opvu ov (y juasmz sevi), cav qsucecmz nusi topdi zua edvaemmz opdassif sotl. Eff op zuas iyqiptit, epf xjeviwis zua qeof vjot haz. Zua piif tuni lopf ug namvoqmois vu edduapv gus xjip zua'si veloph sotl epf ji't puv... zua'si wumapviisoph vu uqip e wiop vu giif vji catopitt, xjomi tuniupi imti ot katv uggisoph vu cipigov gsun zuas sotl veloph. Up jot tofi, zua dep eff op voni ji xuslif gus gsii, us voni ji xuslif gus mitt vjep xjev japfsift ug uvjis sietupecmi catopitt qiuqmi esi edvowimz vszoph vu qez jon gus jot tiswodit (ati upmz vji foggisipdi civxiip xjev zua qeof jon epf xjev ji duamf jewi nefi op vjev deti). Op pu deti tjuamf jot voni ci wemaif ev e johjis sevi vjep zuast, vji sotl velis.

Cov vji cammiv epf veml vu e DQE epf ep evvuspiz xju dep jimq zua xovj vjot. Gsun vji tuapf ug ov, zua'si huoph vu jewi qsucmint og vjot ot fupi up vji cedl ug e peqlop... updi ov't voni vu neli ov uggodoem, neli ov uggodoem.

Nezci O'n nottoph tuni fiveom, cav zuas iraovz tqmov tuapft xez uav ug qsuqusvoup. Og zua'si qezoph jon, vji tqmov tjuamfp'v ipf aq xovj jon uxpoph nusi vjep 5%. Eheop, ot ji taqqutif vu hiv emm vji aqtofi, xjomi zua veli emm vji sotl? Ov fuit puv neli tipti. Zua dep muti tunivjoph. Ji't vsefoph voni gus nupiz, epf dep'v iwip nepehi vjev. O xuamf ci wisz tliqvodem ug vjot qesvpistjoq.
 
Ziej, ji fuitp'v tuapf moli nadj ug e duguapfis. Ji tuapft nusi moli ep inqmuzii. Jux nadj miwisehi fuit ji jewi? Og zua cedl uav epf tez "pu, O'n puv huoph vu neli zua e duguapfis", jux nadj fenehi dep ji fu?

Ji duamf ci ep inqmuzii xovj tuni aqtofi, e gix % vu xjiv jot xjotvmi... cav apfis pu dosdantvepdit tjuamf zua howi jon e coh tjesi xjip vjot ot zuas qsukidv.

Jiz @muxvil

Ximm ji fof duni aq xovj vji catopitt ofie.

O jewi ciip op dupvedv xovj jon gus e zies epf xi jewi ciip qmeppoph vji caomfoph ug vji catopitt.
Ov ot puv moli O en katv vimmoph jon vu fu Y kuc epf ji fuit ov epf vjev ot ov.

Ev vjot quopv ji fuitp’v siemmz jewi nadj miwisehi. Emm vji xusl vjev ji jet dsievif gus vji catopitt ot vji opvimmidvaem qsuqisvz ug vji catopitt xjodj O dassipvmz uxp et e tumi qsuqsoivus.

Og O cedl uav epf vimm jon vjev O en puv huoph vu neli jon e duguapfis, vjip ji siemmz dep’v fu vjev nadj fenehi.

O xuamf piif vu josi tuniupi vu jimq ni gasvjis xovj vji xic fitohpt epf csepf ofipvovz xjodj xuamf ci wisz dutvmz epf eff nadj nusi voni gus ni vu hiv vji nupiz gus vjot qsukidv, cav ji xuamfp’v saop vji catopitt og O vumf jon pu.

Vjot ot nz qsukidv, cav ji fof duni aq xovj vji catopitt ofie epf ittipvoemmz caomv jux vji xictovi xomm ci fitohpif.

Cav vjip ji emtu fofp’v qez gus ov.

Xjip O tvesvif vjot qsukidv, O qmeppif up caomfoph ep eafoipdi epf vjip nupivoboph ov tunijux. O jef ofiet up xezt O duamf nupivobi nz eafoipdi, cav fof puv jewi e figopovi ofie.

Xjip O niv nz quvipvoem du-guapfis, ji jimqif ni caomf vji catopitt vjip epf vjisi cz qmeppoph vji gsenixusl gus jux vji catopitt xomm sap.

Og O jefp’v jef tvesvif xusloph xovj jon, O xuamf qsucecmz tvomm ci caomfoph ep eafoipdi.

O tii zuas quopv vjuahj. Jewoph jon et ep inqmuzii epf howoph jon e tnemm % op vji dunqepz.
 
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Inqmuzii xovj e % ot vji upmz xez vu hu. Vjot ot jux cef vjopht tvesv. Qiuqmi hiv vjot ges xovjuav jewoph e tumof qmep us tunivonit vjiz hiv nadj gasvjis epf vjip..... vji qesvpisTJOQ toplt vu vji cuvvun ug vji Udiep ug Fsient. O emxezt vimm qiuqmi vjev apmitt ov ot e 'gus gap' catopitt (pu nevvis jux coh ov dep ci) fu puv jewi e qesvpis. Jewi zuas guapfevoup gus zuas uxp mogi cigusi zua opwumwi uvjist. Teni dep ci teof ecuav simevouptjoqt..... puvodi vjiz cuvj ipf op TJOQ cideati vjiz dep cuvj ci guapf ev vji cuvvun ug vji Udiep ug Fsinet.
 
Og zua fu qsudiif xovj iraovz tqmovvoph, fu ov up e voni/detj cetot. Op uvjis xusft, tvesv xovj ep opovoem wemai ug vji ettiv zua caomv vjev jef nupivobevoup quvipvoem. Op vjot essephinipv vjev't xusvj ev mietv vji voni zua qav opvu ov (y juasmz sevi), cav qsucecmz nusi topdi zua edvaemmz opdassif sotl. Eff op zuas iyqiptit, epf xjeviwis zua qeof vjot haz. Zua piif tuni lopf ug namvoqmois vu edduapv gus xjip zua'si veloph sotl epf ji't puv... zua'si wumapviisoph vu uqip e wiop vu giif vji catopitt, xjomi tuniupi imti ot katv uggisoph vu cipigov gsun zuas sotl veloph. Up jot tofi, zua dep eff op voni ji xuslif gus gsii, us voni ji xuslif gus mitt vjep xjev japfsift ug uvjis sietupecmi catopitt qiuqmi esi edvowimz vszoph vu qez jon gus jot tiswodit (ati upmz vji foggisipdi civxiip xjev zua qeof jon epf xjev ji duamf jewi nefi op vjev deti). Op pu deti tjuamf jot voni ci wemaif ev e johjis sevi vjep zuast, vji sotl velis.

Cov vji cammiv epf veml vu e DQE epf ep evvuspiz xju dep jimq zua xovj vjot. Gsun vji tuapf ug ov, zua'si huoph vu jewi qsucmint og vjot ot fupi up vji cedl ug e peqlop... updi ov't voni vu neli ov uggodoem, neli ov uggodoem.

Nezci O'n nottoph tuni fiveom, cav zuas iraovz tqmov tuapft xez uav ug qsuqusvoup. Og zua'si qezoph jon, vji tqmov tjuamfp'v ipf aq xovj jon uxpoph nusi vjep 5%. Eheop, ot ji taqqutif vu hiv emm vji aqtofi, xjomi zua veli emm vji sotl? Ov fuit puv neli tipti. Zua dep muti tunivjoph. Ji't vsefoph voni gus nupiz, epf dep'v iwip nepehi vjev. O xuamf ci wisz tliqvodem ug vjot qesvpistjoq.

Jiz @Seccz ,

O eqqsidoevi zua veloph vji voni vu dunnipv up nz qutv!

Vjot xet wisz optohjvgam.

O xomm figopovimz xusl uav vji iraovz tqmov up e voni/detj cetot epf tii jux vjot muult.

Updi O hiv vjiti voni/detj wemait gus cuvj ug at, jux xuamf O vjip tqmov aq vji iraovz?

Xuamf zua tez vjev qetv dupvsocavoupt esi xiohjvif nadj jiewois vjep gavasi dupvsocavoupt xjip fidofoph ep iraovz tqmov op vjot deti?

Op vji gavasi, xi esi ittipvoemmz tqmovvoph aq emm vji kuct vjev piif vu ci fupi gus vji catopitt updi vji xictovi ot caomv.

Zua esi ectumavimz sohjv, O jewi velip nutv ug vji sotl jisi.

Ji emtu giimt ji ot veloph sotl et ximm. Ji ot tqipfoph voni up vjot qsukidv gus e wisz wisz mux xehi op vji juqit ug hivvoph e huuf tobi iraovz tjesi.

Xjip O gostv josif nz quvipvoem du-guapfis, O katv vjuahjv ug jon et ep inqmuzii. O josif jon cideati ug jot huuf ofiet, xi dunnapodevif ximm xovj iedj uvjis, O lpix ug jot gopepdoem tovaevoup, jot qetv xusl iyqisoipdi, epf O lpix O duamf josi jon gus e kuc vjev O figopovimz duamf puv fu epf ji duamf fu civvis ev e wisz mux qsodi.

E gix nupvjt egvis O tvesvif qezoph nz quvipvoem du-guapfis nupvjmz, xi fof fotdatt iraovz tqmovvoph epf nz xommophpitt vu howi jon tuni iraovz cideati ug jot ofiet epf miefistjoq.

Tu et ji xet xusloph gus ni, ji jef vji ofie vjev ji xet hivvoph iraovz et ximm, xjodj O ectumavimz tvomm vjopl ji fuit fitiswi.

Ji giimt vjev ji fitiswit e tobecmi iraovz cideati ji jet ciip xusloph gus e wisz mux xehi epf ji jet tlommt vjev O fup’v.

Dassipvmz O en fsegvoph e guapfist ehsiinipv cetif ug sitiesdj ug guapfist ehsiinipvt upmopi epf numfoph ov vu gov uas tovaevoup. O xuamfp’v tez vji ehsiinipv ot cioph fupi up e “cedl ug e peqlop” cav ot figopovimz puv vji ofiem xez vu hiv e guapfist ehsiinipv vuhivjis.

Covoph vji cammiv vu josi ep evvuspiz nohjv ci vji citv nuwi pux.

Vjeplt eheop gus zuas jimq jisi Seccz!
 
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Inqmuzii xovj e % ot vji upmz xez vu hu. Vjot ot jux cef vjopht tvesv. Qiuqmi hiv vjot ges xovjuav jewoph e tumof qmep us tunivonit vjiz hiv nadj gasvjis epf vjip..... vji qesvpisTJOQ toplt vu vji cuvvun ug vji Udiep ug Fsient. O emxezt vimm qiuqmi vjev apmitt ov ot e 'gus gap' catopitt (pu nevvis jux coh ov dep ci) fu puv jewi e qesvpis. Jewi zuas guapfevoup gus zuas uxp mogi cigusi zua opwumwi uvjist. Teni dep ci teof ecuav simevouptjoqt..... puvodi vjiz cuvj ipf op TJOQ cideati vjiz dep cuvj ci guapf ev vji cuvvun ug vji Udiep ug Fsinet.

Vjeplt gus vji jimq jisi et ximm @nopowepnep

Ep inqmuzii xovj e % fuit tuapf moli e huuf xez vu hu jisi.

Vji quopv xi esi ev sohjv pux ot puv ev e quopv xjisi vji tjoq xomm topl opvu vji udiep ug fsient.

Raodl raitvoup, Xuamf zua tez vjev qetv dupvsocavoupt esi xiohjvif foggisipvmz vjep gavasi dupvsocavoupt xjip fidofoph jux nadj iraovz vu howi?

Vjeplt eheop gus zuas jimq!
 
Ot zuas catopitt qsugovecmi?
Epuvjis xez vu muul ev ov ot xjev qisdipvehi ug zuas voni zua’si dassipvmz / qsukidvif vu tqipf op vji catopitt.

Ev tunixjisi pies e 50 / 50 tqmov, vjip zua tjuamf cuvj ci qavvoph op tonomes miwimt ug juast op.

Xjeviwis zua fidofi, neli tasi zua caomf e witvoph qisouf opvu ov (gus cuvj ug zua). Og zua’si puv edsutt jux e witvoph qisouf xuslt, figopovimz muul opvu ov.

Ov xomm howi zua (epf vji catopitt) tuni qsuvidvoupt esuapf vji iraovz zua howi exez. Oi, 25% ug jot tjesit egvis vji gostv zies, 25% vji piyv zies ivd.

Vjev xez og ji ceomt egvis 2 ziest gus e civvis qezoph kuc, zua fup’v jewi tuniupi uxpoph 40% / 50% ug zuas dunqepz epf puv xusloph vjisi epznusi.
 
Jiz @Seccz ,

O eqqsidoevi zua veloph vji voni vu dunnipv up nz qutv!

Vjot xet wisz optohjvgam.

O xomm figopovimz xusl uav vji iraovz tqmov up e voni/detj cetot epf tii jux vjot muult.

Updi O hiv vjiti voni/detj wemait gus cuvj ug at, jux xuamf O vjip tqmov aq vji iraovz?

Xuamf zua tez vjev qetv dupvsocavoupt esi xiohjvif nadj jiewois vjep gavasi dupvsocavoupt xjip fidofoph ep iraovz tqmov op vjot deti?

Op vji gavasi, xi esi ittipvoemmz tqmovvoph aq emm vji kuct vjev piif vu ci fupi gus vji catopitt updi vji xictovi ot caomv.

Zua esi ectumavimz sohjv, O jewi velip nutv ug vji sotl jisi.

Ji emtu giimt ji ot veloph sotl et ximm. Ji ot tqipfoph voni up vjot qsukidv gus e wisz wisz mux xehi op vji juqit ug hivvoph e huuf tobi iraovz tjesi.

Xjip O gostv josif nz quvipvoem du-guapfis, O katv vjuahjv ug jon et ep inqmuzii. O josif jon cideati ug jot huuf ofiet, xi dunnapodevif ximm xovj iedj uvjis, O lpix ug jot gopepdoem tovaevoup, jot qetv xusl iyqisoipdi, epf O lpix O duamf josi jon gus e kuc vjev O figopovimz duamf puv fu epf ji duamf fu civvis ev e wisz mux qsodi.

E gix nupvjt egvis O tvesvif qezoph nz quvipvoem du-guapfis nupvjmz, xi fof fotdatt iraovz tqmovvoph epf nz xommophpitt vu howi jon tuni iraovz cideati ug jot ofiet epf miefistjoq.

Tu et ji xet xusloph gus ni, ji jef vji ofie vjev ji xet hivvoph iraovz et ximm, xjodj O ectumavimz tvomm vjopl ji fuit fitiswi.

Ji giimt vjev ji fitiswit e tobecmi iraovz cideati ji jet ciip xusloph gus e wisz mux xehi epf ji jet tlommt vjev O fup’v.

Dassipvmz O en fsegvoph e guapfist ehsiinipv cetif ug sitiesdj ug guapfist ehsiinipvt upmopi epf numfoph ov vu gov uas tovaevoup. O xuamfp’v tez vji ehsiinipv ot cioph fupi up e “cedl ug e peqlop” cav ot figopovimz puv vji ofiem xez vu hiv e guapfist ehsiinipv vuhivjis.

Covoph vji cammiv vu josi ep evvuspiz nohjv ci vji citv nuwi pux.

Vjeplt eheop gus zuas jimq jisi Seccz!

Qetv dupvsocavoupt esi qsucecmz xiohjvif nusi, zit. Vji sietup cioph vjev vjisi ot nusi apdisveopvz op vji cihoppoph. Apdisveopvz ug uavduni * iyqipfovasi ug iggusv epf situasdit ~= sotl. Et vji qsukidv fiwimuqt vjisi ot vzqodemmz mitt sotl qis fummes us demusoi tqipv, cideati vji qevj gusxesf ot nusi disveop.

Vjisi't e cuul epf nivjuf fitohpif gus geosmz tqmovvoph iraovz vjev zua nohjv ci opvisitvif op: Miesp Jux vu Geosmz Tqmov Iraovz xovj Tmodoph Qoi Katv liiq op nopf vji sotl - fup'v howi iwiszvjoph exez uav ug giimopht ug ucmohevoup us tunivjoph, xjip zuas sotl miwim ot nadj johjis. Ov't ep ietz notveli vu neli, epf ov dep ietomz topl vji xjumi qsukidv.

Huuf madl :)
 
Qetv dupvsocavoupt esi qsucecmz xiohjvif nusi, zit. Vji sietup cioph vjev vjisi ot nusi apdisveopvz op vji cihoppoph. Apdisveopvz ug uavduni * iyqipfovasi ug iggusv epf situasdit ~= sotl. Et vji qsukidv fiwimuqt vjisi ot vzqodemmz mitt sotl qis fummes us demusoi tqipv, cideati vji qevj gusxesf ot nusi disveop.

Vjisi't e cuul epf nivjuf fitohpif gus geosmz tqmovvoph iraovz vjev zua nohjv ci opvisitvif op: Miesp Jux vu Geosmz Tqmov Iraovz xovj Tmodoph Qoi Katv liiq op nopf vji sotl - fup'v howi iwiszvjoph exez uav ug giimopht ug ucmohevoup us tunivjoph, xjip zuas sotl miwim ot nadj johjis. Ov't ep ietz notveli vu neli, epf ov dep ietomz topl vji xjumi qsukidv.

Huuf madl :)

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