Rich Dad Seminar Exposed (FINALLY!)

[Russ H]

Is it just me, or does it seem like untrustworthy promoters have a similar m.o.:
"If you don't see the genius in my advice, LEAVE! We don't need you anyway!"

Seems they're trying to make the consumers feel stupid/guilty for questioning the motives/value of the guru. Blatantly turning the question of sincerity on the audience rather than to the guy asking for $1,000.

It does seem to work though.

What's really strange is this is the attitude that we got from Robert Kiyosaki when we met him face to face: He screamed at us and tried to belittle us-- but he wasn't trying to "sell" anything! (we weren't there for one of these seminars).

But when he did this, I had the same reaction: Why would he be so bullying, and condescending? His behavior was reminiscent of low-life sleazy con artists. It certainly didn't seem fitting coming from someone whom we already respected and had traveled hundreds or thousands of miles to see.

But all he kept saying (as he was screaming four letter words at us) was "this is WHO I AM!!".

Yuck. Sure bummed me out. I had held him in much higher esteem, prior to that day.

I still respect what I've learned from his books and tapes. As a writer, he's a great teacher.

But as a man? And a mentor?

He left us all disappointed.

-Russ H.

 

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[anunez]

WOW, I cant believe how many MJ D@$# Riders their are on this website. Anyone with a half a brain knows MJ started on Rich Dad website and also Russ. And were Rich Dad biggest fans until Robert insulted these pansies and they got butt hurt and started this website. Robert is MJ's idol that's why he is trying to be like him and started this website and is writing his book which are spin offs of what the Rich Dad company is doing . MJ is going to make money though because he's actually applying what he learned of Robert's teachings. Not even Russ can deny that Robert is the real deal and used Roberts teaching to be more financially successful. Robert clearly licensed his name to this company who abused Rich Dads reputation to make money. But I still think Robert knew and was not complaining about it until he got caught. Never the less Robert has inspired millions which should give him a pass for this mistake.

 

[Russ H]

WOW, I cant believe how many MJ D@$# Riders their are on this website. Anyone with a half a brain knows MJ started on Rich Dad website and also Russ. And were Rich Dad biggest fans until Robert insulted these pansies and they got butt hurt and started this website. Robert is MJ's idol that's why he is trying to be like him and started this website and is writing his book which are spin offs of what the Rich Dad company is doing . MJ is going to make money though because he's actually applying what he learned of Robert's teachings. Not even Russ can deny that Robert is the real deal and used Roberts teaching to be more financially successful. Robert clearly licensed his name to this company who abused Rich Dads reputation to make money. But I still think Robert knew and was not complaining about it until he got caught. Never the less Robert has inspired millions which should give him a pass for this mistake.

Wow, strong words from a guy who has 20 posts here since 2007.

One of your 20 threads was "I need file bankruptsy but have no idea where to find good attorney".

That's a thread that got tons of great responses, gave you lots of encouragement.

And what did you do?

You never thanked-- or even acknowledged-- any of the responses or encouragement.

Hey, good luck w/things.

-Russ H.

 

[FDJustin]

Oh goody, I get something to pick apart and address many different points on! I'll just bold your statements, Anunez and address them to the best of my ability.

WOW, I cant believe how many MJ D@$# Riders their are on this website. Anyone with a half a brain knows MJ started on Rich Dad website and also Russ. And were Rich Dad biggest fans until Robert insulted these pansies and they got butt hurt and started this website.

Ah, what a colourful view of the situation! Why yes, they've mentioned many times in various places that they were in fact fans of RD, and are still fans of his word but not of his personality, or ethics.
Hmm, MJ dickriders you say. What a bitter and poorly executed way to belittle the idea of someone actually having loyal fans on their own website. Very reminiscent of "MONEY IS EVIL AND THOSE WHO HAS IT R TEH BABY EATERS!"

Robert is MJ's idol that's why he is trying to be like him and started this website and is writing his book which are spin offs of what the Rich Dad company is doing.
Ahh, so you've read his book? You should reply to the thread for those who read the book to get your graphic!

MJ is going to make money though because he's actually applying what he learned of Robert's teachings. Not even Russ can deny that Robert is the real deal and used Roberts teaching to be more financially successful.
They never tried to deny that his teachings are the real deal, did they? You can be a genius in one area of your life and still be a useless twat in other places.

Robert clearly licensed his name to this company who abused Rich Dads reputation to make money. But I still think Robert knew and was not complaining about it until he got caught. Never the less Robert has inspired millions which should give him a pass for this mistake.
Ahh, is that so? Deliberately and knowingly following a corrupt path, but being an inspiration for millions should be a free pass. I'll inform the fans of Hitler on that straight away, they'll love to embrace your message.

This is life, not some videogame where you can kill as many children as you want, but as long as you keep giving money to charity your 'alignment' stays in the good.

If you have trouble with metaphors, I'll spell it out for you. Each action you take has to be measured on it's own. No one should get a free pass for deliberately doing something corrupt.

Also... Mis-Take
–noun
1.
an error in action, calculation, opinion, or judgment caused by poor reasoning, carelessness, insufficient knowledge, etc.
2.
a misunderstanding or misconception.

Translated for your ease of consumption, that means he's either incompetent, or he didn't make a mistake. Your choice.

 

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[Russ H]

anunez,

If you really want to piss on things, I have a present for you (below).

Just don't do it to the good people of these forums.

-Russ H.

 

[Fennec]

WOW, I cant believe how many MJ D@$# Riders their are on this website. Anyone with a half a brain knows MJ started on Rich Dad website and also Russ. And were Rich Dad biggest fans until Robert insulted these pansies and they got butt hurt and started this website. Robert is MJ's idol that's why he is trying to be like him and started this website and is writing his book which are spin offs of what the Rich Dad company is doing . MJ is going to make money though because he's actually applying what he learned of Robert's teachings. Not even Russ can deny that Robert is the real deal and used Roberts teaching to be more financially successful. Robert clearly licensed his name to this company who abused Rich Dads reputation to make money. But I still think Robert knew and was not complaining about it until he got caught. Never the less Robert has inspired millions which should give him a pass for this mistake.

It doesn't sound like they're criticizing his teachings or his financial literature. It sounds more like they're addressing his lack of charisma and the scanty amount of content in his live seminars.

 

[anunez]

Thank you Russ for reminding the forum about my thread,"I need to file bankruptsy but have no idea where to find good attorney". Funny how you picked that one out of the twenty. But I am fine just a bump on the road but it sickens me when you and MJ bash Robert when this whole website and book was inspired by the Rich Dad.

"Go to college, graduate, get a good job, save 10% of your paycheck, invest faithfully in the stock market, max your 401K, slash your credit cards, live cheaply and clip coupons... then, someday way way off into the future when you are oh, say 65 years old, you can retire rich"

This is what you are selling? Did MJ just cut and pasted that directly from the Rich Dad website? Instead of asking me to thank the forum for their help. Why don't you email Robert and thank him for giving you his ideas that you are turning around and trying to sell as your own.

 

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[andviv]

Hey MJ, can I pls get a "MJ D@$# Riders" badge for my profile? pretty please?

 

[Russ H]

Hey MJ, can I pls get a "MJ D@$# Riders" badge for my profile? pretty please?

Ooh, and perhaps we can get one from the richdad forums that says "You're a f*cking LOSER!"

-Russ H.

 

[Russ H]

. . .it sickens me when you and MJ bash Robert when this whole website and book was inspired by the Rich Dad.

Why don't you email Robert and thank him for giving you his ideas that you are turning around and trying to sell as your own.

anunez, you need to read my posts a bit better, instead of just bashing me.

I've never "sold" RKs ideas as my own. And I've never "bashed" RK-- merely shared how the man behaved when we met him.

I've also defended RK's principles and teachings repeatedly over the years, to those who come here and post that his message/teachings are trash.

Please take a bit of time to look these things up. You'll find them all over the fastlane, and (prior to moving here), all over the richdad forums.

It's easy to call others names, as you have done. Actually learning about people is much harder.

I'd suggest you might do that, at least in regards to all the folks on these forums, before calling them "MJ's d*ck riders".

That's just so sad and troll-like. It goes against the very spirit of these forums.

-Russ H.

 

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[andviv]

Ooh, and perhaps we can get one from the richdad forums that says "You're a f*cking LOSER!"

Russ, stop saying that! Remember, we are not supposed to let anybody know how he treated us and how he explained to us who he really is. Shhhh!

 

[MJ DeMarco]

Anyone with a half a brain knows MJ started on Rich Dad website and also Russ.

Hey punk, never let a little research and diligence get in the way of your delusions. I was well on my way to becoming a millionaire when RDPD was first released. My millions came from the internet, not from real estate and certainly not from anything Kiyosaki taught. (That is unless RK was in my bedroom when I was 13 years old whispering ... 'start a business...start a business') Yes, the RDPD forum was one of the many venues where I got my writing start as this was were I could vent my own philosophy and get feedback from others.

Robert is MJ's idol that's why he is trying to be like him and started this website and is writing his book which are spin offs of what the Rich Dad company is doing

Really? RK was never my idol. And certainly, after I learned about his attitude and his repeated "sell-outs" (Russ Whitney company? Really?) he moved from respected author, to an arrogant annoyance. That said, I still think his first book is worth a read and to this day, I still recommend it. I suppose that would make a Kiyosaki lap-dog like yourself, happy.

MJ is going to make money though because he's actually applying what he learned of Robert's teachings.

Got to be the funniest thing I've read on here in years. There is NOTHING in my book that grabs from RK's teachings other than entrepreneurship and that you have to own your own business. "Own your own business" is one of the oldest pieces of advice out there that is in pretty much every "wealth" book, in fact, I even say that in my own book.

"I need to file bankruptsy but have no idea where to find good attorney".

Ah I see the source of your contempt; a bankrupt, broke-know-it-all, who can't spell bankruptcy. Yea, I'd be pretty angry at the world too.

Why don't you email Robert and thank him for giving you his ideas that you are turning around and trying to sell as your own.

Typical clueless Sidewalker ... you put so much faith into ideas. So while you're at your attorney ironing out your bankruptcy (let me guess, it wasn't your fault?) here is lesson #1: Ideas are worthless. Entrepreneurs take existing ideas and make them better ... so if you really believe that I've adopted RK's ideas, so what. I knew long ago (far before RK even wrote a book) that 401(k)s, jobs, and other Slowlane BS would never make me rich -- the fact that RK uses similar narratives doesn't change my personal story one bit. Of course the big difference is that I prove why in my book -- RDPD does not. God forbid Sergey Brin and Larry Page stole the search engine idea from Yahoo, Snap, and Alta Vista -- heavens! How dare they!

And finally, as the other past fans of RK on this board will tell you, the biggest threat to RK is RK himself -- not my book or any other guru's book.

 

[anunez]

#1: Ideas are worthless. Entrepreneurs take existing ideas and make them better ... so if you really believe that I've adopted RK's ideas, so what

So you adopted the Rich Dad Idea and made it better,It all makes sense now. Thanks for the lesson I might just buy your book if you keep giving insights like these.

 

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[MJ DeMarco]

Thanks for the lesson I might just buy your book if you keep giving insights like these.

Hey sport, I don't need your twenty bucks. Save it for RK's 24th book regurgitating the same sludge over and over, or better yet, give it to your bankruptcy attorney.

 

[camski]

How to Establish Self Esteem by anunez or by his pen name A. Tension Whore

Step 1. go on an internet forum and attack everyone on there by calling them names

Step 2. attack a successful moderator of the forum for his recounting of a disappointing experience with a best selling author.

Step 3. Attack the owner of the forum and accuse him of trying to be like said national selling author despite his success story not even remotely resembling said author

Step 4 Repeat steps 2 & 3 over and over for the amusement of all

 

[Motivated]

Most informational books are full of unnecessary text.

Everything could be explained so much easier, authors over complicate simple procedures.

Pictured examples with text explaining what is going on is the best way to teach.

While I agree with you to a certain extent, if people paid the same price for a smaller book with less words they would complain about it.
It's the message that the smart people (the "doer's") get out of the book, most people who have gained something from reading a book would pay ten times the price for what they get out of it than the physical book itself.

 

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[bflbob]

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1 page, $29.95

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[Motivated]

Eat less, move more!

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[JayKim]

Originally Posted by anunez
Anyone with a half a brain knows MJ started on Rich Dad website and also Russ.

Hey punk, never let a little research and diligence get in the way of your delusions. I was well on my way to becoming a millionaire when RDPD was first released. My millions came from the internet, not from real estate and certainly not from anything Kiyosaki taught. (That is unless RK was in my bedroom when I was 13 years old whispering ... 'start a business...start a business') Yes, the RDPD forum was one of the many venues where I got my writing start as this was were I could vent my own philosophy and get feedback from others.

Originally Posted by anunez
Robert is MJ's idol that's why he is trying to be like him and started this website and is writing his book which are spin offs of what the Rich Dad company is doing

Really? RK was never my idol. And certainly, after I learned about his attitude and his repeated "sell-outs" (Russ Whitney company? Really?) he moved from respected author, to an arrogant annoyance. That said, I still think his first book is worth a read and to this day, I still recommend it. I suppose that would make a Kiyosaki lap-dog like yourself, happy.

Originally Posted by anunez
MJ is going to make money though because he's actually applying what he learned of Robert's teachings.

Got to be the funniest thing I've read on here in years. There is NOTHING in my book that grabs from RK's teachings other than entrepreneurship and that you have to own your own business. "Own your own business" is one of the oldest pieces of advice out there that is in pretty much every "wealth" book, in fact, I even say that in my own book.

Originally Posted by anunez
"I need to file bankruptsy but have no idea where to find good attorney".

Ah I see the source of your contempt; a bankrupt, broke-know-it-all, who can't spell bankruptcy. Yea, I'd be pretty angry at the world too.

Originally Posted by anunez
Why don't you email Robert and thank him for giving you his ideas that you are turning around and trying to sell as your own.

Typical clueless Sidewalker ... you put so much faith into ideas. So while you're at your attorney ironing out your bankruptcy (let me guess, it wasn't your fault?) here is lesson #1: Ideas are worthless. Entrepreneurs take existing ideas and make them better ... so if you really believe that I've adopted RK's ideas, so what. I knew long ago (far before RK even wrote a book) that 401(k)s, jobs, and other Slowlane BS would never make me rich -- the fact that RK uses similar narratives doesn't change my personal story one bit. Of course the big difference is that I prove why in my book -- RDPD does not. God forbid Sergey Brin and Larry Page stole the search engine idea from Yahoo, Snap, and Alta Vista -- heavens! How dare they!

And finally, as the other past fans of RK on this board will tell you, the biggest threat to RK is RK himself -- not my book or any other guru's book.

psst nunez

 

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[JayKim]

I'd suggest you might do that, at least in regards to all the folks on these forums, before calling them "MJ's d*ck riders".

So funny he says this and goes on praising Richard Kiosaki. So your riding Richards dick is what your saying?

 

[bflbob]

Who is Richard Kiosaki?

 

[Russ H]

So funny he says this and goes on praising Richard Kiosaki. So your riding Richards dick is what your saying?

Who is Richard Kiosaki?

And since when does sticking up for someone's teachings and learning from them make you a d*ck rider?

Wow, I gotta get out more. :nonod:

-Russ H.

 

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[JayKim]

kiyosaki* lol

 

[bflbob]

kiyosaki* lol

I was thinking more about the Richard part. His name is Robert. ;-)

 

[TemptingFate]

Wow I was supposed to go to one of these not to long ago, but unfortunately I was not able to make it. Thank god for this post lol.

 

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[alainn]

This is really bad for his Kiyosaki's reputation. I obviously lost a lot of respect for the guy. On a side note, the guy(Robert Kiyosaki) encourages people to get into network marketing... or MLMs.... if you do your research, you'll find out that MLMs are closely similar to pyramid schemes... and although it's not illegal(MLMs I mean), it's really unethical if you look at it from a mathematical point of view. Fitzpatrick is an expert on MLMs and explains it best in his book: False Profits. Heard an interview of him and a radio show host on network marketing schemes a couple of days after having signed up with an MLM... but I was already brainwashed. I didn't want to believe it... now I see it though. I'm no longer in an MLM and I see the mathematical flaw in that business model.

 

[Flatlander]

Watched the video and had to chuckle when Russ Whitney's name came up. I can't believe that guy is still around.

 

[MJ DeMarco]

On a side note, the guy(Robert Kiyosaki) encourages people to get into network marketing... or MLMs.

Doing so is good for book sales ... bad-mouthing MLM is not. Of course, I'm more concerned with the truth of mathematical probabilities rather than book sales. :smxF:

 

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[buckmajor]

Holy oaks! I can't believe I missed out on the fun here lol??

I watched the whole video and couldn't believe what I saw. I was a big fan of RK back then but I didn't know how to get out of the rat race using real estate, so it didn't really matter lol. Come to think of it, I remember searching for the cashflow game 101 and it led me to the fastlane forum (I remember now). I was asking questions about the CF101 game.

Thanks MJ for posting this video, after reading your book, it made my vision a lot clearer. So, what happened after RK was exposed? Man, I can see clearly how RK uses up-selling on his own products. WOW! Did RK really charge advanced seminars for $12k - $45k?

If you watch the video again and listen to RK "He admitted not being happy with Whitney for the amount of unhappy customers, etc" but those complaints go back as far as 2006?? What sums it up, is the contract he is unable to get out of (20.00min Watch him wink, and defends his case, and the body language 20.21min)....you know for sure someone is on the back rope lol.

Out of the $45,000, you could save $44,973 by investing into MJ book 'Fastlane Millionaire' $27AUD, sad but yea I've definitely learned a lot from that video and saved me a lot of money

Thanks

 

[ClintonSkakun]

My self-education have cost me less than a few hundreds.

The thing I don't like about RK, aside from other things, is that he thinks business is the ONLY WAY. Business isn't everyone's thing, some people are great employees and are happy doing that. People like me can only be happy at a job for so long, that's why I've always liked business.