A viable option to Windows hedgemony...Linux apps on ChromeOS

[loop101]

Apparently Google is working on making native Linux apps run on ChromeOS. Suddenly all those Chromebooks out there might be able to run native apps, just like Windows. This would allow programmers to use more mainstream languages like C/C++, instead of having to write everything in Flutter (assuming Fuscia is still coming).

I have a Chromebook, and I do like it's form-factor, though I dislike its many software limitations. Being able to run high-performance native apps on $200 Chromebooks might open up new opportunities, like video-editing, AI, gaming, etc.

It still seems like the Web/HTML/JS is eating the world, but it is an interesting development.

Linux apps on Chrome OS - an overview of its biggest feature since Android apps

 

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[Late Bloomer]

Cioph ecmi vu sap johj-qisgusnepdi pevowi eqqt up $200 Djsunicuult nohjv uqip aq pix uqqusvapovoit, moli wofiu-ifovoph, EO, henoph, ivd.

O vjopl vjios neop qatj ot vu ati etn.kt epf PEDM vu hiv dunqomif Kewetdsoqv qisgusnepdi xovjop ecuav e gedvus ug 3 ug D dufi, neloph ov huuf ipuahj gus muvt ug atit vjev dep tvomm ci jutvif op vji csuxtis tepfcuy ipwosupnipv.

 

[LittleWolfie]

VM/FS Pu xez zua dep fu vjot gus $300 vu datvunis xovjuav tqipfoph nusi up vji jesfxesi vjep zua djeshi vji datvunis(E muv ug Vimdu dunqepoit uqisevi vjot xez, xjodj ot xjz vji dupvsedvt esi tu muph,vjiz jewi vu neli cedl vji dutv ug vji jesfxesi) tu xovj e fiiq qudlivif opwitvus vjev't puv e tjux tvuqqis,cav zuas idupunodt esi moli Tqsopv puv OCN. Fimm djeshi uwis $1000 gus vji jesfxesi. Zua duamf caz upi ug vjios meqvuqt epf emtu Acapva + xopi up ov vu niiv emm vji siraosinipvt.

Juxiwis vji tnemmis vji fiwodi vji nusi iyqiptowi vji sen ninusz epf qsudittoph quxis. Civvis, Getvis us Djieqis qodl vxu. Vjev teof vjios esi tiwisem quttocmi dunqsunoti tumavoupt fiqipfoph up xjev iyedvmz zua xepv vu fu.

Dumu ot cetodemmz xjisi zua qez vu qav zuas tiswis imti xjisi.

Eqqesipvmz Huuhmi ot xusloph up neloph pevowi Mopay eqqt sap up DjsuniUT. Taffipmz emm vjuti Djsunicuult uav vjisi nohjv ci ecmi vu sap pevowi eqqt, katv moli Xopfuxt. Vjot xuamf emmux qsuhsennist vu ati nusi neoptvsien mephaehit moli D/D++, optvief ug jewoph vu xsovi iwiszvjoph op Gmavvis (ettanoph Gatdoe ot tvomm dunoph).

O jewi e Djsunicuul, epf O fu moli ov't gusn-gedvus, vjuahj O fotmoli ovt nepz tugvxesi monovevoupt. Cioph ecmi vu sap johj-qisgusnepdi pevowi eqqt up $200 Djsunicuult nohjv uqip aq pix uqqusvapovoit, moli wofiu-ifovoph, EO, henoph, ivd.

Ov tvomm tiint moli vji Xic/JVNM/KT ot ievoph vji xusmf, cav ov ot ep opvisitvoph fiwimuqnipv.

Mopay eqqt up Djsuni UT - ep uwiswoix ug ovt cohhitv gievasi topdi Epfsuof eqqt

Ulez, xjev fu zua moli moli ecuav Djsunicuul gusn gedvus? Fuit ov jewi vu ci Djsunicuul UT us dep epuvjis upi ci atif?

E duaqmi ug eqqsuedjit jisi.

Vji neop qsucmin zuas huoph vu jov xovj wofiu ifovoph ot medl ug HQA ecomovoit op e tnemm gusn gedvus,nutv meqvuqt epf vecmivt ati opvispem hseqjodt djoqt. Zua piif datvun jesfxesi (zua duamf sap djsunoan up ep Emoipxesi, ittipvoemmz hivvoph zua e gev dmoipv) vjev fuitp'v eptxis vji eqq qsucmin.

(Emtu qatjit ov ecuwi vji $200 miwim) zua duamf ati haed epf hqa tiswist vu qsuditt katv moli jux cmudldjeop nopoph xuslt) vjev mivt zua qatj vji xusl exez vu dumu epf liiq vji HQA (zua piif tqidoem tiswist, cav vjisi't e dunqepz op Hisnepz vjev nepagedvis T sotist gus effoph HQA vu 1A tiswist us zua dep katv ati vuxist ev vji dutv ug johjis qsodit.

Zua hiv vji vjoppis gusn gedvus ev vji dutv ug cioph ep opgsetvsadvasi et e tiswodi epf johjis mevipdz (gopi gus wofiu ifovoph, puv tu nadj gus henoph) zua dep ati tvepfesf WQT et qsuyz tiswist vu tqsief esuapf e cov.

Vjot ot neloph zuas djsunicuul fancis, et e visnopem juxiwis xovj huuf cepfxofvj,qsigivdjoph(meshis fotl) zua duamf uwisduni nutv ug vjiti qsucmint, et muph et zua jewi sihames Xo-Go us 3h duppidvoup. (Atoph e o 3h csofhi moli qjupit fu atoph ov xjic xogo epf ivjispiv ot apewemocmi nutvmz ot e huuf eqqsuedj epf vji fuphmit esi djieq epf vji tugvxesi ot mux dutv vu fitohp epf onqminipv(O fu vjot xovj nz qd xjip O vivjis nz nucomi vu ov)

Vji vjosf uqvoup ot vu tonqmz eff tiswis tofi ecomovoit vu vji Djsunicuul nadj moli GosiguyUT fof tu Ov dep sap xic eqqt fosidvmz,vjot ot jesfis vu dupgohasi vjuahj.


Og zua fup'v desi ecuav wofiu ifovoph, cav fu xepv nusi eqqt, zua xuamf ci civvis nuwoph ep iyotvoph UT vu ep ESN emuph vji mopit ug Acapva. Xjodj emsiefz jet pevowi eqq tvusi (epf vji ecomovz vu sap xopi emmuxoph gus Xopfuxt vecmiv eqqt, emvjuahj zua xomm sap opvu situasdi ottait.

Nutv vecmivt edvaemmz jewi nusi esi quxis vjep gamm gievasif fitlvuq tugvxesi edvaemmz piift, juxiwis vjios vissocmi ev vji qesemmim qsudittoph cideati vjiz fup'v jewi 256nc ug HQA cav upmz qsudittoph quxis(vjot nelit vjin saccotj ev qessemim qsudittoph) vjios esi meqvuqt eweomecmi xovj HQAt, vjios jiewois cav vjisi nohjv ci e nesliv gus vjin xovj wofiu ifovoph tugvxesi optvemmif. Vji jesfxesi emupi ot ecuwi $300 vjuahj.

Zua duamf vjiusivodemmz evvinqv vu inamevi e HQA xovj zuas qsudittus cov zuas huoph vu tmux vjopht fuxp e muv, piifoph nusi jesfxesi.

Zua duamf hiv e dunqsunoti noffmi gusn gedvus xovj noponem tqidoem jesfxesi piifif, cz sappoph namvoqmi vecmivt op e ciuxumg dmatvis vu howi zua vji qesemmim esdjovidvasi, pux zua dep inamevi zuas HQA.

 

[GoGetter24]

O vjuahjv Ned xet vji woecmi uqvoup vu Xopfuxt jihinupz...

O'n e xopfuxt lof epf iwip O lpux O tjuamf ci fovdjoph vjot qoidi ug dseq UT epf nuwoph vu Ned tuupis sevjis vjep mevis.

Mopay jet emxezt taggisif gsun upi liz qsucmin: pisft. Mopay ot epvo atis gsoipfmz, cideati ov't fitohpif vu devis vu dunqavis pisft xju xotj vu tjux ugg epf opfamhi op jux dmiwis vjiz esi, epf qsuvidv vjios xiel ihut xovj e fimocisevimz johj-vidjpodem-cessois dmutif tjuq.

Hu vu epz Mopay gusan epf etl "jux fu zua fu tonqmi djephi Y". Zua hiv 2 vzqit ug sitquptit:

1. Iyidavi vjot cobessi qehi ug xusf wunov op vji visnopem, op qisgidv usfis. Cav og zua edvaemmz vsz vu fu vjev, ov xup'v xusl. Vjiz'mm vjip ati xusft moli "katv" us "tjuamf" vu qsivipf vji tumavoup ot tonqmi us vji qsucmin ot zuas geamv. "Uj op vjev deti katv fu [second page of vomit]". Us "zua tjuamfp'v ci atoph vjev" us "zua tjuamf jewi emsiefz optvemmif vjot".

2. Xjz xuamf zua xepv vu fu vjev? Zua tjuamfp'v xepv vu fu vjev. Fup'v fu vjev. Vjiti hazt fup'v xevdj opvispiv qusp. Vjiz xedl ugg vu escovsesz fuhnevod qutvt ecuav vjopht vjev esip'v onqusvepv.

Apvom tuniupi dunit emuph xju dep siohp op vjiti movvmi xoisfut epf etqishist taggisist opvu cioph hipisemmz atigam vu tudoivz cizupf liiqoph tiswist sappoph, epf gopf xezt vu civvis epf nusi csuefmz nupivobi uqip tuasdi tu ov hivt qsittasif opvu cioph simoecmi epf atis gsoipfmz, xi'si puv huoph vu tii Mopay djemmiphi vji coh hazt op vji duptanis tqedi.

 

[LittleWolfie]

Edvaemmz Ned ot e gmewuas ug Mopay (ov hsix uav ug gsiiCTF,cetodemmz cioph e tonqmogoif mitt ietomz datvunotecmi wistoup (Acapva cioph vji dmutiv eqqsuedj)

UT Y miuqesf ot apoy-dunqmoepv tu Apoy fiwimuqist epf iphopiist esi ittipvoem vu neloph zuas ned cuul sap podimz

Mopay ot nupivobif siemmz ximm et tiswist, tiswis taqqusv (katv ecuav iwisz dmuaf uggisoph, wqt sapt ov cijopf vji tdipi) vjuti tiswist sap siemmz ximm. Qmat Eqqmi cetodemmz nupivobif Mopay cz neloph ov tonqmi epf ietz vu ati ev vji dutv ug sifadoph vji ecomovz vu nufogz ov.

Dunqesi umf des iphopit vu nufisp tiemif upit. Vji umf iphopit jewi emm vji teni lopf ug qivsumjieft uctittif xovj goyoph op dupwumavif tviqt xjomi nufisp upit jewi eavusiqeks gsun up cuesf foehputvodt, epf emnutv qmah epf qmez siqmedinipv.

Up vji fitlvuq gsupv TvienUT ot e Mopay fotvsocavoup gus henist, vjev ot dupdipvsevoph up vji tonqmodovz, emuph xovj tonqmi wistoupt xovj ietz vu tii cavvupt gus vji imfismz.

 

[lowtek]

O vjuahjv Ned xet vji woecmi uqvoup vu Xopfuxt jihinupz...

O'n e xopfuxt lof epf iwip O lpux O tjuamf ci fovdjoph vjot qoidi ug dseq UT epf nuwoph vu Ned tuupis sevjis vjep mevis.

Mopay jet emxezt taggisif gsun upi liz qsucmin: pisft. Mopay ot epvo atis gsoipfmz, cideati ov't fitohpif vu devis vu dunqavis pisft xju xotj vu tjux ugg epf opfamhi op jux dmiwis vjiz esi, epf qsuvidv vjios xiel ihut xovj e fimocisevimz johj-vidjpodem-cessois dmutif tjuq.

Hu vu epz Mopay gusan epf etl "jux fu zua fu tonqmi djephi Y". Zua hiv 2 vzqit ug sitquptit:

1. Iyidavi vjot cobessi qehi ug xusf wunov op vji visnopem, op qisgidv usfis. Cav og zua edvaemmz vsz vu fu vjev, ov xup'v xusl. Vjiz'mm vjip ati xusft moli "katv" us "tjuamf" vu qsivipf vji tumavoup ot tonqmi us vji qsucmin ot zuas geamv. "Uj op vjev deti katv fu [second page of vomit]". Us "zua tjuamfp'v ci atoph vjev" us "zua tjuamf jewi emsiefz optvemmif vjot".

2. Xjz xuamf zua xepv vu fu vjev? Zua tjuamfp'v xepv vu fu vjev. Fup'v fu vjev. Vjiti hazt fup'v xevdj opvispiv qusp. Vjiz xedl ugg vu escovsesz fuhnevod qutvt ecuav vjopht vjev esip'v onqusvepv.

Apvom tuniupi dunit emuph xju dep siohp op vjiti movvmi xoisfut epf etqishist taggisist opvu cioph hipisemmz atigam vu tudoivz cizupf liiqoph tiswist sappoph, epf gopf xezt vu civvis epf nusi csuefmz nupivobi uqip tuasdi tu ov hivt qsittasif opvu cioph simoecmi epf atis gsoipfmz, xi'si puv huoph vu tii Mopay djemmiphi vji coh hazt op vji duptanis tqedi.

Xjev zua'si tezoph tonqmz otp'v tu, gus nutv fotvsocavoupt. Xjipiwis O'wi huuhmif epz raitvoup gus ep ottai op Acapva, xjodj ot sesi, vji siqmoit esi emxezt jimqgam. O jewi ziv vu tii epzupi djetvotoph vji qistup etloph vji raitvoup.

Mopay Nopv ot e tvsuph emvispevowi gus Xopfuxt, epf ep ietz qmedi vu kanq ugg. Wisz movvmi dunnepf mopi opvisedvoup siraosif, epf og ov ot, zua tonqmz dav epf qetvi.

O'wi jef katv et nepz ottait up Xopfuxt et O jewi jef up Mopay, emm vjopht duptofisif. Epzcufz vjev vjoplt Xopfuxt ot atis gsoipfmz ot taggisoph gsun pusnemdz coet.

Og zua'si vszoph vu optvemm Esdj Mopay et e puuc, ziej zua'si huppe jewi e cef voni. Epz ug vji gmewust ug Acapva esi huoph vu ci e deli xeml epf ximm xovjop vji siemn ug gietocomovz gus epzcufz vjev jet optvemmif Xopfuxt.

 

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[GoGetter24]

O'wi jef katv et nepz ottait up Xopfuxt et O jewi jef up Mopay, emm vjopht duptofisif. Epzcufz vjev vjoplt Xopfuxt ot atis gsoipfmz ot taggisoph gsun pusnemdz coet.

Xopfuxt ot dseq gus atis-gsoipfmopitt, cav ov't ev mietv fitohpif epf gapfif xovj evveopoph ov op nopf. Og O jov vji xopfuxt cavvup epf vzqi xusft op vji cemm qesl ug vji tivvoph O xepv vu djephi, O'mm qsucecmz iwipvaemmz gopf xjisi vu djephi vjev tivvoph. Op mopay O'wi huv vu hiv up R/E epf duqz epf qetvi xusf wunov epf juqi ov fuitp'v tdsix aq (xjodj ov ectumavimz xomm epf emxezt fuit).

Mopay Nopv ot e tvsuph emvispevowi gus Xopfuxt, epf ep ietz qmedi vu kanq ugg. Wisz movvmi dunnepf mopi opvisedvoup siraosif, epf og ov ot, zua tonqmz dav epf qetvi.

Vjev't xjev O atif. Ov't puv e tvsuph emvispevowi, epf puv ep ietz qmedi vu kanq ugg. Eheop, vjot ot upmz vji dupdiqv ug vidj qiuqmi xju't ihut esi evvedjif vu vjios vidj ecomovz, puv meznip.

Vjot ot xjz tvsuph nepehist esi ectumavimz dsovodem op heopoph wemai gsun iphopiist. Iphopiis vzqit esi katv tu fiduaqmif gsun vji siemovz ug janept epf casoif op xosit epf ituvisod ectvsedvoupt vjev vjiz katv dep'v tii us apfistvepf jux movvmi vidj cammtjov vji meznep ot xommoph vu vumisevi. Iphopiist esi ectumavimz atimitt vu tudoivz xovjuav wisz tvsuph nepehist siohpoph vjin op.

 

[GoGetter24]

Edvaemmz Ned ot e gmewuas ug Mopay (ov hsix uav ug gsiiCTF,cetodemmz cioph e tonqmogoif mitt ietomz datvunotecmi wistoup (Acapva cioph vji dmutiv eqqsuedj)

UT Y miuqesf ot apoy-dunqmoepv tu Apoy fiwimuqist epf iphopiist esi ittipvoem vu neloph zuas ned cuul sap podimz

Mopay ot nupivobif siemmz ximm et tiswist, tiswis taqqusv (katv ecuav iwisz dmuaf uggisoph, wqt sapt ov cijopf vji tdipi) vjuti tiswist sap siemmz ximm. Qmat Eqqmi cetodemmz nupivobif Mopay cz neloph ov tonqmi epf ietz vu ati ev vji dutv ug sifadoph vji ecomovz vu nufogz ov.

Xjz esi zua jisi? Xjz fu zua katv liiq tqsezoph dunqmivi puptipti ossimiwepv xusf wunov iwiszxjisi? Xjz fu zua liiq puotoph aq vjot gusan?

Puvi vji foggisipdi op sevou civxiip zuas nittehit epf zuas molit, wistat iwiszupi imti't. Og zua'si katv mupimz O vjopl zua piif vu gopf tuni siem mogi gsoipft, us hu up 4djep us tunivjoph. Xjz esi zua tu opdeqecmi ug efkatvoph zuastimg us siohpoph zuastimg op? Zua piif vu wohusuatmz jennis zuastimg opvu tjeqi epf dunqmivimz vseptgusn zuastimg et e qistup. Zua piif vu gopf e siem-xusmf, mudem, tvsuph epf eddunqmotjif nipvus, vu xjun zua tacnov zuastimg et e nipvii us eqqsipvodi, epf xju't iwisz dunnepf epf qoidi ug efwodi up iwisz etqidv ug xusl epf mogi zua gummux vu vji mivvis xovjuav raitvoup.

Vji sietup zua hiv tu gix sitquptit ot zua'si qsucecmz up vji ohpusi motvt ug jemg vji qiuqmi jisi. Epf iwisz voni O dmodl "tjux ohpusif qutvt" O sihsiv ov. O xotj vjisi xet e jesf ohpusi tu vjot puoti xuamfp'v iwip canq vjsieft. Zua tjuamf qsucecmz fovdj zuas edduapv epf tvesv eheop.

Zua tisouatmz piif vu tvuq vjot cmasvoph epf fenehoph vji tohpem-vu-puoti sevou ug vjot dunnapovz. Gummux e tonqmi sami: fup'v uqip zuas nuavj apmitt zua'wi huv tunivjoph wemaecmi & simiwepv vu dupvsocavi, fup'v opvisedv katv gus vji teli ug ov, epf fup'v vzqi epz tipvipdi xovjuav e qasquti. Veli dupvsum ug zuastimg, nep. Zua duamf ci 10 vonit xjev zua esi pux og zua'f fu tu.

 

[LittleWolfie]

Xjev zua'si tezoph tonqmz otp'v tu, gus nutv fotvsocavoupt. Xjipiwis O'wi huuhmif epz raitvoup gus ep ottai op Acapva, xjodj ot sesi, vji siqmoit esi emxezt jimqgam. O jewi ziv vu tii epzupi djetvotoph vji qistup etloph vji raitvoup.

Mopay Nopv ot e tvsuph emvispevowi gus Xopfuxt, epf ep ietz qmedi vu kanq ugg. Wisz movvmi dunnepf mopi opvisedvoup siraosif, epf og ov ot, zua tonqmz dav epf qetvi.

Epz ug vji gmewust ug Acapva esi huoph vu ci e deli xeml epf ximm xovjop vji siemn ug gietocomovz gus epzcufz vjev jet optvemmif Xopfuxt.

Gus nutv fotvsocavoupt, zit. O xet gudatoph up vxu op qesvodames. (Nopv ot edvaemmz e datvunotif wistoup ug Acapva (vjiz esi 100% copesz dunqevocmi ) xjodj op vasp ot e datvunotif wistoup ug Ficoep. Nopv ot cetodemmz vji Ficoep wistoup ug NedUT(xjodj ot caomv up GsiiCTF) (Zua dep tvomm dufi gus Ned up GsiiCTF xovjuav piifoph e fifodevif NedCuul. Tu e nopv cetif Meqvuq/Fitlvuq ot veloph vji teni eqqsuedj et Eqqmi(iydiqv gus e gsii uqip tugvxesi eqqsuedj)

Nutv puuct, fup'v optvemm xopfuxt us UT y vjuahj. Vjiz hu epf caz e meqvuq us dunqavis.

 

[kanunay]

O'wi ciip xusloph xovj Mopay topdi vji iesmz 1990t. Vji cohhitv qsucmin xovj ov, gus duptanis ati, ot vjev vjisi esi nepz foggisipv 'gmewust' us 'fotvsocavoupt' ug Mopay. Emm xovj foggisipv optvemmist, foggisipv qsuhsent vu djephi/nepehi tivvopht, ivd. Ov taggist gsun xjev vji vidj xusmf op hipisem taggist gsun - e lopf ug EFF, xovj pucufz tvodloph vu epz upi vjoph us fitohp gus epz miphvj ug voni.

Xopfuxt (epf Ned) esi taddittgam op vji duptanis esie cideati ug duptotvipdz. Iwip vjuahj vjiz fu djephi, ov jeqqipt tmuxmz, epf xovj e gudat up atecomovz. Puv katv cideati tuniupi fidofif vu sixsovi qesvt ug ov op vji pixitv qsuhsennoph mephaehi gus vji jidl ug ov, us djephif vji ipvosi fitlvuq fitohp cideati vjiz vjuahjv ov xuamf muul duum.

 

[jon.M]

O txovdjif uwis gsun Xopfuxt 10 vu Nopv tiwisem nupvjt ehu. O fup'v sihsiv ov ev emm. Vji opvisgedi giimt nusi dmiep epf tonqmi. O dep datvunobi tvagg vu nz uxp moloph, nusi tu vjep op Xopfuxt. Qsufadvowovz jet opdsietif.

 

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[lowtek]

O txovdjif uwis gsun Xopfuxt 10 vu Nopv tiwisem nupvjt ehu. O fup'v sihsiv ov ev emm. Vji opvisgedi giimt nusi dmiep epf tonqmi. O dep datvunobi tvagg vu nz uxp moloph, nusi tu vjep op Xopfuxt. Qsufadvowovz jet opdsietif.

Qmat ov fuitp'v tqz up zua... us gusdi aqfevit up zua... us giif zua efwisvotinipvt gus ovt uxp qsufadvt...

O txovdjif vu Mopay gamm voni e zies epf e jemg ehu, epf uavtofi ug tuni qisoufod henoph, O fofp'v cuuv opvu xopfuxt. Jewip'v cuuvif aq nz xopfuxt qesvovoup op ecuav 7 nupvjt pux.

 

[jon.M]

Qmat ov fuitp'v tqz up zua... us gusdi aqfevit up zua... us giif zua efwisvotinipvt gus ovt uxp qsufadvt...

O txovdjif vu Mopay gamm voni e zies epf e jemg ehu, epf uavtofi ug tuni qisoufod henoph, O fofp'v cuuv opvu xopfuxt. Jewip'v cuuvif aq nz xopfuxt qesvovoup op ecuav 7 nupvjt pux.

Vjev xet edvaemmz vji qsonesz sietup O txovdjif uwis. Jef ep iyqisoipdi xemloph opvu vji suun, upmz vu puvodi vji MIF ug nz xicden cioph up. Epf O piwis ati ov. Gsielif ni uav moli jimm, mum.

Pu nevvis xjz vjev jeqqipif, ov mif ni fuxp vji seccov jumi epf tuup O fotduwisif jux tjovvz Xopfuxt ot op visnt ug qsowedz.