I came across some posts from Martin Hutchinson's blog about all things economy related and stumbled into his dividend investing program which peeked my attention. There are some wild 10-30% returns being thrown around by investing in stable dividend companies that are almost guaranteed to pay quarterly while maintain their share price.

I realize the site reads like an infomercial and it has lots of "to good to be true" content on it that raises the bs meter a bunch. It costs $2k with a 90 day refund guarantee. I removed the link: moneymappress.com/category/trading-services/permanent-wealth-investor

I googled his name and the program name in a few configurations and couldnt turn up any dirt from others that have used the program that feel slighted or ripped off in any way. I really thought I would find something. I figured I would see if some of the more seasoned investors have used the program or even have heard about it. Why would this guy sell his proven methods if it made so much money and was so good?

I think the only way you are going to make 10-30% a year in net worth increase, is
if the stocks you are investing in increases in value/price.

I don't think there's any
stocks out there that has a dividend of 30% a year.

Maybe that's not what you meant?
Or what this Martin Hutchinson's guy offers, right?

Well, seems like he says that on his page:

And what if I were to show you an advanced technique that could take
that 9.5% dividend and juice it up by 30%, 40%, 50%? Even over 100%, as you'll see…

That's right. A 100% return on just one simple move that you can make in a
less than a minute. Stay tuned. You're going to see this.

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Taken right from his salesletter here:
moneymappress.com/category/trading-services/permanent-wealth-investor/

I wrote this before I found that big fat claim on his web site:

So if he has an eye for good stocks that will increase in price with time. Then
maybe it could be worth the $1,995. But I don't know his track record?

Personally I had passed. Maybe do some more research on the guy and see if you
can find somebody that has made money on his subscription.

Read this first by MJ DeMarco if you haven't?:
How to Never Work Another Day in Your Life, The Money-System Portfolio

I think this is what MJ invests in himself, am I right or wrong?

I say scam.

There are some companies that pay a shit load in dividend yield, but only because the stock price has been going down. If the price goes down then the yield goes up. theres a reason why the stock is being dumped.

Guaranteed dividend every quarter? Bullshit. Another way of saying it is guaranteed earnings stable quarter after quarter. BS again.

Stock investing is very risky because its difficult to calculate your risk. I cant imagine having 1 million in stocks and it goes down 3%, i'm down $30,000 .

There are stocks out there paying decent dividends. I don't know about 30%, but 10-15% maybe. The problem with some of these is that a drop in share price and you lose all your gains.

With that said, I have one stock FMN now paying 5.8% a year tax free. It pays $0.08 share monthly and is currently at $17. If you picked this up when it was at $9, you would be enjoying a 11% tax free return right now and an $8/share gain. So it can be done, you just need to research alot.

socaldude said:

Stock investing is very risky because its difficult to calculate your risk. I cant imagine having 1 million in stocks and it goes down 3%, i'm down $30,000 .

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Honestly, you get used it.

Let me see if I can clarify. It works like this. If you're an entrepreneur and you've built up a strong business. You likely know how much it is worth (maybe you do, maybe you don't, but let's assume that you do). Let's say that it's worth $2m. Since you know all the intimate details of this business, you don't get depressed when some fool tells you that it's worth $1m nor do you get all excited when another fool tells you that it's worth $4m.

The stock market is similar. If I know the businesses that I hold stock in are worth $2m, I don't get depressed when some fool (aka the market) tells me that it's worth $1m nor do I get all excited when another fool (aka the market) tells me that it's worth $4m.

I'm using very wide ranging numbers to make a point. But the point is similar for daily smaller moves (e.g. $30k). I don't get depressed if I wake up one day and some fool (aka the market) tells me that my portfolio is worth $30k less today nor do I get all happy if I wake up another day and some fool (aka the market) tells me that my portfolio is worth $30k more.

Now, what I do as an investor is this. When the fool (aka the market) is depressed and offering $2m stock for $1m, I buy. When the fool (aka the market) is optimistic and offering $2m stock for $4m, I (might) sell.

Why might I not sell? A few reasons: a) the business is still strong, b) the future value of the business will be far greater than $4m, c) capital gains tax stings a bit, and 4) I know that I will never, ever be able to buy back the same amount of stock for the $1m that I paid.

The last reason is huge. Have you ever read about grandparents who purchased homes or stock in the distant past and you just marvel at the ridiculous price they paid? Well, that's what the $1m that I paid will look like to my grand kids.

The future value of a strong business is massive. Anyway, I digress.

If I know what the businesses are worth, I understand that the market quotes are illusory.

On the topic in the OP, it seems very unlikely that those returns are possible with dividend stocks unless you really juice them up with leverage. But I've been wrong before.

You can achieve a high return with a dividend stock if you buy it when the market or company is distressed or there is pessimism around either.

I posted about one of my bigger dividend payouts this year and it's nowhere near 30%. This year it's closer to a 10% dividend payout and a 10% appreciation or 20% total return. But that's also because the company is run well so it isn't reasonably priced.

https://www.thefastlaneforum.com/investing-trading/42069-making-buckle-bke.html

I know that I don't need any fancy tricks to make good money in the stock market if I simply wait for (really) bad news.

Points taken everyone.

It seems he is doing some covered calls or other ways to boost the standard returns on the choice stocks he selects all based on the companies fundamentals. I would think if it was a scam there would be plenty of people talking about how this product is a ripoff ect.

I will ask Martin to come on over and comment on this post. Lets see if he can shed some light on some of our thoughts.