Don't forget about Thailand. $20 and you're a king for a day.
Yeah, until you find out 'she' is a king too...
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Free registration at the forum removes this block.Don't forget about Thailand. $20 and you're a king for a day.
In 2012 when I came back from Japan I could have bought a 3 bedroom, 2 bath house across the streets from my parents for $7500. No typo, seventy five hundred. Granted it looked like a $7500 house and was in a town with a population of around 550.Have you guys ever considered moving to a rural, i.e. non-urban location, and doing your e-business from there?
In some area's of indonesia it's more dangerous to be a christian than in countries like China
(if they know you're a christian when you come into the country, there is a high chance to be shot. It is up to the officer in charge to decide. If you bring a Bible in the country it is almost certain to be a Bye-bye. The only form of "Christianity" that is allowed are the government churches...which are everything except for christian. An exception to this rule is Hong Kong.)
In the last few years people actually get rewarded sums of money for killing Christians in Indonesia by muslim extremists.(They actually have ties to the government, leading to the release of several murderers and terrorists in the last few years.)
Next to the actual physical violence christians are not welcome in many shops, supermarkets and so forth. Effectively eliminating christian present in some area's. (If you can't buy your food...what do you do.) And if they're accepted they can expect to pay 2-3 times the original prize. this counts for anything from rent of a house to well...anything else. Official number of christian-restricting rights in indonesia since 2010 are 150 different laws.
In fact, the only country where there are more reported murders on christians worldwide is Nigeria.
So nope, in reality it is not a secular country. it is one of the most dangerous countries in the world to live in as a christian.
Don't forget about Thailand. $20 and you're a king for a day.Not bad, but there are -way- cheaper countries to live in.
Such as the philipines or indonesia.(Ok, watch out in indonesia if you're a christian.)
I got a mate living in the philipines, barely any costs. barely any taxes. and you can rent a housemaid (or gardener etc)for your house for less than $50 a month.
Update : That'll teach me for taking the OP at face value currency exchange rates with the UK/EU house prices are very good for the size of the properties but they're not 45K at least the one's he has shown. You're talking about over £200K there so still a massive financial investment for anyone interested. I guess you could find property for those prices but I'm guessing it wouldn't be too safe ah well
(and I'm not talking about living in a deprived slum area).
Around 450K usd. That was. Anyway now I updated the OP, no such nice houses for that price range in Budapest but made quite a guide. Hope it still helps someone. Kinda ashamed but I guess first threads are just first threads. Except if you're Mj, he probably nailed his first thread too, lol.So that house was actually four hundred thousand dollars? That's pretty funny dude.
(Ok, watch out in indonesia if you're a christian.)
Yeah but Budapest is actually Western-country-like and a pretty decent place to live in (in nice neighborhoods, stay the F*ck away from 8th and nearby)Not bad, but there are -way- cheaper countries to live in.
Such as the philipines or indonesia.(Ok, watch out in indonesia if you're a christian.)
I got a mate living in the philipines, barely any costs. barely any taxes. and you can rent a housemaid (or gardener etc)for your house for less than $50 a month.
@David Fiddler , do the Slovaks and Hungarians still hate each other?
I'll be in Vienna/Bratislava this summer, wondering if I'm going to have any problems crossing the bridge if I decide to visit.
In some area's of indonesia it's more dangerous to be a christian than in countries like ChinaIndonesia is a secular country. Aceh could be uncomfortable, but you're not likely to run into any problems anywhere.
Holy shit I'm so sorry. This is where enthusiasm, being hurry and too little sleep takes you. Missed a null when I exchanged the currency.
I'll fix this in the original post and try to find some decent homes for a nice price range.
Debating whether I should waste my time responding to you, but here goes.
Your portrayal of a country of a quarter billion people is outlandish. Are there certain islands I would avoid? Of course, yet keep in mind there are hundreds of islands that comprise Indonesia.
Indonesia is a massive and populous country. The odds of anything bad happening to you are extremely small.
1) You have been to indonesia?People should not let irrational fear dictate their lives.
I'm no Christian, but I'm a very clearly a white guy from North America, and I never had any problems. Most people are super friendly and willing to help you out with language barriers, etc without caring about your particular religion or no religion, or whatever other differences you may have.
"People like you" just makes you sound narrow-minded and judgemental, so for now I will just consider that as a typo, and take you seriously.People like you also told me Iran was 'too dangerous' and that they hate Westerners and that I was going to die. All I can say is what a beautiful and friendly place. People would invite me and my friends into their homes for meals every day. Complete strangers. I didn't die.
I could go on and on.
There's a wide and amazing world out there, don't give in to the propaganda.
Yup, you are ignorant and narrow minded, Ahh well. thanks for the ignore,
Don't want to communicate with narrow minded/ignorant people anyways.
For the rest: I do agree that travelling is awesome, and communicating with people from different cultures is too.
I travel the world and communicate/work with 75+ nationalities on a daily basis from different social statuses, financial statuses and backgrounds.
But that doesn't mean that some places aren't more dangerous than others, and that you shouldn't be aware of the dangers of certain places/cultures before you go there, especially if there is a hatred/prize on the heads of people from your specific culture.
Simple truth is is that there is a lot of violence going on, and violence against Christians has rapidly grown worldwide, especially in certain countries, such as Indonesia, Nigeria and so forth. So by going to "high risk" areas you're putting yourself in unnecessary danger- otherwise known as foolishness.
there are hundreds of other awesome places to visit. And you can always go to the high risk places once they are not that high risk anymore. I'm lucky to get updated exactly how the risks are before going to a place. Sometimes it means getting extra security on our ship (FBI or Marines onboard/Navy vessels waiting just outside the international water line) and sometimes it means skipping a place all together (Such as that we skipped Ukrain earlier on.) But if you don't get this high level intelligence/risk assesments...be double careful
I guess that there are many different facts out there. As I based this on 5 different sites,In any case, I like to deal with something called facts.
In 2010, the U.S. Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals found, for purposes of U.S. immigration law: "[T]he record compels a finding that Christians in Indonesia are a disfavored group."[44][45] The definition of this term is "a group of individuals in a certain country or part of a country, all of whom share a common, protected characteristic, many of whom are mistreated, and a substantial number of whom are persecuted" but who are "not threatened by a pattern or practice of systematic persecution." The court blamed the rise of anti-Christian sentiment on Suharto consorting with militant Islamic groups in the 1990s in order to maintain his power, noting that he had 'purged his cabinet and army of Christians and replaced them with fundamentalist Muslims', adding that support and protection for violent Islamic militia such as Laskar Jihad by the military and political elite had continued since Suharto's exit from power. According to the ruling: "Christian churches throughout Indonesia have been burned, bombed, and vandalized by Muslim extremists. These attacks are often accompanied by threats, such as: 'God has no son. Jesus could not help you. Until doomsday, Muslims will not make peace with Christians. Death to all Christians.'"
On 8 February 2011, trial spectators attacked the defendant, prosecutors and judges[46] and Muslim rioters severely vandalized Protestant and Catholic churches, schools, and other property in Temanggung, Central Java in protest that prosecutors only demanded that the court sentence Antonius Bawengan to five years in prison (the maximum sentence permitted by law) for his alleged blasphemy against Islam via distributed leaflets.[47] A local Muslim cleric allegedly demanded that Antonius receive a death penalty. The judge immediately sentenced Antonius to five years in prison.[48] Local Muslim residents reportedly protected a Catholic priest and tried to minimize damage. The local Muslim cleric later received a one year sentence for inciting the Temanggung riot.[49] The Temanggung riot occurred two days after 1,500 Sunni Muslims attacked Ahmadiyya Muslims in Cikeusik, Banten, murdering three.
On the other hand and also in February 2011, a local FPI leader and followers each received at most a 5.5 months sentence and were released based on time served after members of the group struck an HKBP pastor in the head with a wooden plank and stabbed an HKBP elder in the abdomen. The planned, drive-by attack occurred in Bekasi, West Java while the victims were walking to church service and related to local Muslims' objection to church construction. While local human rights activists expressed disappointment in the minimal sentences, no riots occurred.[50] Earlier, in 2010, hundreds of FPI members had attacked congregants during an HKBP church service in Bekasi, beating many women. Police were on site, but provided little protection.[51]
On early Ramadan in August 2011, group of Muslims attacked and burned three churches on Kuantan, Sengingi, Riau Province. Police not giving any clue for reason of burning, Police says its for sake of keeping ramadan peacefully for Muslim.[52]
Non-Muslims experience ongoing discrimination, including obstacles to university entrance and civil service jobs. A survey conducted in 2002 in Jakarta noted that 80% of respondents wanted faiths other than Islam outlawed, 73% wanted non-Muslims excluded from teaching in government schools, and 42% did not want churches constructed in their area.[53] Of particular concern to non-Muslim religious organizations, a 2006 joint ministerial decree on house of worship (signed by the Religious Affairs Ministry and Home Ministry) requires a religious group to obtain the approval of at least 60 households in the immediate vicinity before building a house of worship. This decree has been used frequently to prevent construction of non-Muslim places of worship and has been cited by radical Muslim organizations for various attacks on non-Muslims.[54]
The constitution provides for freedom of religion, accords "all persons the right to worship according to their own religion or belief," and states that "the nation is based upon belief in one supreme God." The first tenet of the country's national ideology, Pancasila, similarly declares belief in one God. The government does not allow for not believing in God. Government employees must swear allegiance to the nation and to the Pancasila ideology. Other laws and policies placed restrictions on certain types of religious activity, particularly among unrecognized religious groups and "deviant" sects of recognized religious groups. The central government did not invoke its constitutional authority to review or revoke local laws that violated freedom of religion.
Aceh remained the only province authorized by the central government to implement Islamic law (Shari'a), and non-Muslims in the province remained exempt from Shari'a. Some local governments outside of Aceh also have laws with elements of Shari'a that abrogate certain rights of women and religious minorities. Aceh adopted a Shari'a based penal code imposing physical punishment for violations.
The Ministry of Religious Affairs extends official status to six religious groups: Islam, Catholicism, Protestantism, Buddhism, Hinduism, and Confucianism. Unrecognized groups may register with the Ministry of Culture and Tourism as social organizations. Although these groups have the right to establish a house of worship, obtain identity cards, and register marriages and births, they sometimes face administrative difficulties in doing so. In some cases these challenges make it more difficult for individuals to find jobs or enroll children in school. Legally, identity card applications are now acceptable when the "religion" section is left blank; however, members of some groups reported that they sometimes faced obstacles.[1]
Human Rights Aspects[edit]
International human rights organizations cite persistent attacks and intimidation against religious minorities and atheists. Amnesty International reports that the Ahmadiyya community is increasingly targeted and at least four provinces issued new regional regulations restricting Ahmadiyya activities. By the end of 2011, at least 18 Christian churches had been attacked or forced to shut down.[7]
In Indonesia the extremist group Laskar Jihad has killed as many as 10,000 Christians. In addition, it has forcibly converted thousands more to Islam, and has destroyed hundreds of Christian churches.
A mob of 600 Muslims threw bags of urine, stones, and rotten eggs at the congregation of a Protestant church at the start of Ascension Day service; they shouted profanities and threatened to kill the pastor. No arrests were made. The church had applied for a permit to construct its house of worship five years ago. Pressured by local Muslims, the local administration ordered the church shut down in December 2009, even though the Supreme Court recently overruled its decision, saying that the church was eligible for a permit. Local Muslims and officials are nevertheless demanding that the church shut down.
After protests "by hard-line groups including the Islamic Defenders Front," nearly 20 Christian houses of worship were sealed off by authorities on the pretext of "not having permits." The authorities added that, to accommodate the region's 20,000 Christians, only one church may be built in the district in question.
The Muslim mayor who illegally sealed the beleaguered GKI Yasmin church, forcing congregants to worship in the streets, has agreed to reopen it—but only if a mosque is built next door, to ensure that the church "stays in line." "As well as opposition from the mayor, the church has faced hostility from local Muslims, who have rallied against them [the Christians], blocked them from accessing the street where the church is situated and disrupted their outdoor services. It is unlikely that they will suddenly embrace the Christians," according to the report.
Indonesia: In South Sumatra province, hundreds of armed Muslim men, led by local Islamic leaders, stormed and forcibly occupied two acres of land owned by the small Christian community. The raid was prompted after local Muslims realized that Christians were planning to build a place of worship. Days earlier the ceremony of laying the first stone had been held, amid protests from local residents. According to Asia News, "The process for building a church in Indonesia—Catholic or Protestant—is quite complicated and may take five to ten years to obtain all permits required by law… permission must be obtained from a number of [Muslim] residents in the area where the building is to be constructed... And even if the permission is granted 'unspecified reasons' can come into play that will lead officials to block the projects. Often, this occurs after pressure from the Muslim community or radical Islamic movements."
Also, in the Indonesian province of Aceh, a new law appeared saying that Islamic laws (Sharia) be extended to non-Muslims, the majority of whom are Christian. Elements of Sharia had already been in force but were applied only to Muslims. The new by-law [Qanun Jinayat] was approved by Aceh's legislative council and signed by Governor Zaini Abdullah, who said "Theqanun [law] does indeed oblige everyone in Aceh to follow sharia without exception. It would be unfair if Muslims were punished while non-Muslims were not, just because sharia violations are not stipulated in the Criminal Code." Since then, non-Muslim women have been harassed by police for not wearing veils, and men for wearing shorts. Three-time violators of the dress rules could be publicly caned.
Not so high numbers back then, but it's growing exponentially.Indonesia
Indonesia does not have a law specifically devoted to apostasy, but punishment for acts of blasphemy is prescribed in article 156(a) of the Penal Code. The Code imposes a penalty of up to five years’ imprisonment for expressions or actions in public that have “the character of being at enmity with, abusing or staining a religion, adhered to in Indonesia” or are committed “with the intention to prevent a person to adhere [sic] to any religion based on the belief of the almighty God.”[20]
Either the Penal Code or a 1965 Presidential Decision on blasphemy could be used to prosecute someone for renouncing his or her religion.[21] This Decision specifically forbids
every individual . . . in public from intentionally conveying, endorsing or attempting to gain public support in the interpretation of a certain religion embraced by the people of Indonesia or undertaking religious based activities that resemble the religious activities of the religion in question, where such interpretation and activities are in deviation of the basic teachings of the religion.[22]
This law, which recognizes six official religions (Islam, Catholicism, Protestantism, Buddhism, Hinduism, and Confucianism), allows the government to ban groups and prosecute people who “distort” any of these religions.[23] Violation of this law carries a maximum penalty of five years of imprisonment.[24] The 1965 blasphemy law was upheld by the country’s Constitutional Court in 2010, with the Court holding that “the government maintains the power to impose limitations on religious freedoms based up on security considerations.”[25]
In addition to the blasphemy laws, Indonesia also has in place a targeted ban on proselytizing. In 2008, the government issued a ministerial decree specifically banning the Ahmadiyya Muslim Community from proselytizing.[26]
Reports indicate an increase in the application of blasphemy laws in Indonesia in recent years. While close to 40 individuals have been convicted on blasphemy charges since 1965, over half of the convictions were after 2009 with four convictions in 2011 and ten in 2012.[27]
INDONESIA: The largest Muslim population in the world. There is great openness to the Gospel in spite of persecution—the church is growing at a rate of 5% per year.
There are more than 25 million Christians in Indonesia, and more than 13 million of them are without a Bible. As more and more seekers convert, the church grows, and the Bible gap only widens.
Christians are threatened and their churches are bombed. Throughout many parts of the country, thousands of Christians have been force to undergo Muslim conversion rituals. Those who refuse to embrace Islam are often beheaded, and their heads are paraded through the village to strike fear into the hearts of other Christians.
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