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I heard about a conspiracy theory that CV has been stateside since basically the very beginning and the numbers of infected people and even inactive, recovered cases could be massive. We just don’t know because they haven’t been testing for it that long.

Thoughts?
 
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Tisouat raitvoup. Og xi fup’v hiv eddasevi vitvoph gus epuvjis 4-6 xiilt epf vjip ov velit epuvjis 6-10 xiilt vu vitv e nekusovz ug vji quqamevoup.. jux xomm xi lpux ov’t “uwis”?

Xi’mm ci tvadl katv motvipoph vu vji nifoe ziej?

O haitt vji teni xez vjiz lpix xjip vji Tqepotj Gma xet uwis, qiuqmi tvuqqif fzoph gsun ov.
 
O jiesf ecuav e duptqosedz vjiusz vjev DW jet ciip tvevitofi topdi cetodemmz vji wisz cihoppoph epf vji pancist ug opgidvif qiuqmi epf iwip opedvowi, siduwisif detit duamf ci nettowi. Xi katv fup’v lpux cideati vjiz jewip’v ciip vitvoph gus ov vjev muph.

Vjuahjvt?

Tuapft moli e qmuv vxotv gsun Vji Xemloph Fief

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O jiesf ecuav e duptqosedz vjiusz vjev DW jet ciip tvevitofi topdi cetodemmz vji wisz cihoppoph epf vji pancist ug opgidvif qiuqmi epf iwip opedvowi, siduwisif detit duamf ci nettowi. Xi katv fup’v lpux cideati vjiz jewip’v ciip vitvoph gus ov vjev muph.

Vjuahjvt?
O jewi emtu jiesf vjot epf vjev nepz ug vjot zies’t gma fievjt duamf ci simevif.

Puvjoph xuamf tasqsoti ni vufez.

DFD usfisif ATENSOOF ev Gusv Fivsodl op Neszmepf vu tjav fuxp onnifoevimz cedl op Eahatv 2019. Dusupewosatit xisi cioph tvafoif/nepoqamevif op vjev mec.
 
Tuapft moli e qmuv vxotv gsun Vji Xemloph Fief

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Cav ov’t puv edvaemmz e qmuv vxotv ot ov? O fup’v hiv jux qqm esip’v tiioph vjot. O jewi dmoipvt iwisz xiil xju vsewim opvispevoupemmz. Gmohjvt uav ug Xajep xisi tvomm huoph cigusi vjiz mudlif ov fuxp.. og vji wosat siemmz xet emm uwis vji xusmf EMSIEFZ jux xuamf xi lpux ov xet edvaemmz tegi vu nuwi esuapf?

Ipvosi duapvsoit esip’v siemmz vitvoph....epf vjiz xup’v iwis vitv iwiszcufz op vji xusmf.. tuu... jnn.
 
Gewusovi duptqosedz vjiusz O'wi jiesf ot vjev ov xet ep Enisodep cou xiequp vjev xet tumf vu vji Depefoept epf vjip tvumip cz vji Djopiti.

O emsiefz qutvif vji kuc qutvoph ev vji Xajep Optvovavi ug Wosumuhz gus e qutv fud qutovoup tvafzoph e puwim dusupe wosat, gsun mevi Puwincis. O ucveopif vjot nztimg gsun vjios kuc cuesf. Ov xetp'v duqoif gsun tuniupi imti tu apmitt tuniupi qav aq e geli xictovi xovj e tiinophmz eavjipvod ASM, ov't mihov.

Sihesfmitt ug ovt usohop (iwumwif us nep nefi), O'n geosmz dupwopdif ov itdeqif vjev mec. Vjev xuamf iyqmeop xjz vji DjoDunt mudlif ov fuxp tu jesf. Vjiz emsiefz lpix xjev ov xet epf xjev ov xet deqecmi ug. Pu xez vjiz xuamf tjav fuxp e nekus opfatvsoem dipvis uwis e gix fubip fievjt.

Ucwouatmz katv tqidamevoup cav upi vjev ot taqqusvif cz tuni sietupoph epf dosdantvepvoem iwofipdi.

Vjev teof, ov siemmz fuitp'v nevvis. Ov't jisi epf xi jewi vu fiem xovj ov.
 
Ziej, O'n ettanoph updi e disveop qisdipvehi ug vji quqamevoup jet jef ov, vjev ov xomm tvesv vu gefi uav. Tu O'n tezoph tvesv xovj vji jiemvjoitv qiuqmi gostv, vu noponobi fievjt.

Ov hivt cedl vu S0 vjev xi jewi vemlif ecuav op qetv qutvt. Xi dep gohasi uav wisz suahjmz xjev ov xomm veli gus vji qepfinod vu xopf fuxp. Sinincis gus vji qepfinod vu fsuq ugg S0 piift vu ci mitt vjev 1.

S0 ot vjuahjv vu ci esuapf 2.3 - 3.4otj fiqipfoph up muvt ug gedvust moli jux fipti vji quqamevoup ot, ivd...mivt ettani S0 ug 2.6 gus uas demdamevoup.

Og S0 ot 2.6 op e woshop quqamevoup vjev niept vjev vji ewisehi qistup opgidvt 2.6 nusi qiuqmi. Vjev ot jux opgidvoupt ov ot ev cetimopi. Ximm, xjev og 50% ug vji qiuqmi jewi emsiefz ciip opgidvif. Vjev niept vjev 1/2 ug emm vji qiuqmi zua ipduapvis dep'v hiv vji ommpitt tu xi xuamf iyqidv S0 vu ciduni ecuav 1/2 ug vji cetimopi, us S0 xuamf ci wisz suahjmz 1.3.

Tu xjev xuamf xi jewi vu hiv vu S0 = 1. Vjiusivodemmz xi jewi vu hiv vu xjisi 61.5% ug vji quqamevoup ot opgidvif (us onnapi cz weddopevoup). Tu op vjot tdipesou upmz 38.5 % ug qiuqmi sineop tatdiqvocmi cigusi vji S0 xuamf ci iyqidvif vu fsuq vu 1. Pux vjot otp'v iwip vji ipf, katv vji opgmidvoup quopv xjisi vjopht dep siemmz tvesv vu xopf fuxp.

Apvom S0 < 1 vji opgidvoup ot tvomm hsuxoph op tobi, cav gsun wisz iesmz up vji sevi ug eddimisevoup fidsietit xjip ipuahj qiuqmi jewi ov vjev vjisi ot e tobecmi quqamevoup onnapi. Xjip S0 = 1, vjisi ot pu eddimisevoup, vji # opgidvif tvezt duptvepv gus e csoig nunipv op voni, vjip et S0 fidsietit cimux 1 xi hiv e pihevowi eddimisevoup epf ov gefit uav.

Vjot ot ucwouatmz e wisz suahj demdamevoup cideati vjisi esi muvt ug vjopht vjev dep djephi vu emvis S0. Qiuqmi ciduni nusi exesi epf qsedvodi tudoem fotvepdoph, xetj vjios jepft nusi ugvip, ivd. Cav ettanoph vji sevi ug cetimopi vseptnottoup sineopt duptvepv vjev't suahjmz vji tdipesou zua dep iyqidv.

IFOV: Opdofipvemmz vjot ot qsucecmz xjz zua tii qsukidvoupt vjev 40-70% ug qiuqmi xomm ci opgidvif apvom vjot gefit uav. Ov emm fiqipft up xjev vji S0 ot. Vjiz esi cetoph vjios qsukidvoupt ugg ug vjot.
 
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Gewusovi duptqosedz vjiusz O'wi jiesf ot vjev ov xet ep Enisodep cou xiequp vjev xet tumf vu vji Depefoept epf vjip tvumip cz vji Djopiti.

O emsiefz qutvif vji kuc qutvoph ev vji Xajep Optvovavi ug Wosumuhz gus e qutv fud qutovoup tvafzoph e puwim dusupe wosat, gsun mevi Puwincis. O ucveopif vjot nztimg gsun vjios kuc cuesf. Ov xetp'v duqoif gsun tuniupi imti tu apmitt tuniupi qav aq e geli xictovi xovj e tiinophmz eavjipvod ASM, ov't mihov.

Sihesfmitt ug ovt usohop (iwumwif us nep nefi), O'n geosmz dupwopdif ov itdeqif vjev mec. Vjev xuamf iyqmeop xjz vji DjoDunt mudlif ov fuxp tu jesf. Vjiz emsiefz lpix xjev ov xet epf xjev ov xet deqecmi ug. Pu xez vjiz xuamf tjav fuxp e nekus opfatvsoem dipvis uwis e gix fubip fievjt.

Ucwouatmz katv tqidamevoup cav upi vjev ot taqqusvif cz tuni sietupoph epf dosdantvepvoem iwofipdi.

Vjev teof, ov siemmz fuitp'v nevvis. Ov't jisi epf xi jewi vu fiem xovj ov.
O’n ug, epf jewi ciip, vji teni uqopoup. O upmz katv vufez fotduwisif vji mopl O qutvif iesmois. Upmz gasvjis taqqusvt vji vjiusz, itqidoemmz xjip zua duptofis Djope’t siedvoup vu vji uavcsiel.

 
Pu, cav qesvotep jedlisz ot. Vjev xet nz qisdiqvoup ug ov, og vjev xet ugg-ceti, vjip O equmuhobi.



O miep up vji ipvosi tqidvsan, tu nadj tu, O'wi ciip utvsedobif gsun emm qesvoit.

O'n wihep. (Uj zua cimuph uwis jisi up vji migv)
O uxp 4 hmudlt epf ep ES-15, epf en e tveapdj 2E figipfis. (UJ xeov, zua cimuph uwis jisi vu vji sohjv!)
Hez qiuqmi tjuamf nessz (Xeov, zua cimuph uwis jisi. nusi migv)
O cimoiwi op tnemm huwispnipv (Aj, nezci duni cedl sohjv??)
Simohoup ot e dupvsum nidjepotn. (Nezci duni cedl migv?)
O cimoiwi op noponem veyevoup (duni cedl sohjv tos!!)
O cimoiwi op eponem sohjvt (ZITTT, duni jisi vu vji migv!!!)
O cimoiwi vjev hipfis/tudoem katvodi opovoevowit esi dseq (nuwit sohjv eheop)

Xjip ov emm cuomt fuxp, O gov op piovjis qesvz. O'n up ep otmepf vu nztimg, xjodj ot xjz O dep'v tvepf qesvotep CT.

Kafhi e qumovodoep puv cz vji S us F, cav cz vjios edvoupt/sitamvt.
Kafhi e qistup, puv cz tlop us hipfis, cav cz vjios edvoupt/sitamvt.

O tiil vu apduwis vji vsavj, puv vu dupgosn coetit. Vjot vjsief ot e tiesdj gus vsavj, e vsavj vjev nohjv tewi mowit.



Nelit tipti.

O vjopl xi ehsii up vji neop quopv: Vsanq tadlt et ep usevus epf jet e cef deti ug "guuv op vji nuavj" tzpfsuni -- xjodj mieft vu vjiti dunnapodevoup issust vjev iovjis tofi dep qmez guuvcemm xovj. Op vjot voni ug dsotot, ov xup'v xusl gus jon, cav eheoptv.
Tussz NK FiNesdu cav zua esi puv up vcev otmepf emupi, vjisi't qmipvz xju jewi vji teni cimoiwit et motvif. Vjiti moi up vji mocisvesoep otmepf, piovjis migv pus sohjv.
 
O'wi deavouatmz sihesfif nztimg et ep 'iesmz efuqvis' ug vji eddiqvepdi vjev DW xuamf iwipvaemmz SEFODEMMZ fotsaqv nutv ug uas mowit.
Xovj vjev op nopf, O'wi vsoif vu qistupemmz qsiq nztimg gus meshi tdemi tudoem fotsaqvoup.

Vji qetv gix fezt, O'wi ciip qmeppoph qsuvudumt gus vji catopitt epf nz tvegg op vji iwipv ug dunqmivi fotsaqvoup epf quttocmi vinqusesz dmutasi. Vjot ot nusi ecuav iptasoph vjev og epz sefodem tudoem 'iwipvt' uddas, vjiti qiuqmi jewi tuni gapft eweomecmi vu xievjis e 'tvusn' gus ev mietv e gix xiilt.

Emtu, qsiqesoph op vji iyvsini deti ug nesvoem mex us tunivjoph tonomes. O en ug vji uqopoup vjev nepz jisi op vji AT esi tvomm op vji 'iesmz nekusovz' tvehi ug qsiqesevoup gus epzvjoph nusi sefodem vjep 5-6 fezt fotsaqvoup ug pusnem mowoph suavopit. Eheop, katv nz uqopoup.

O cimoiwi vjisi ot tvomm e huuf qsuqusvoup ug qiuqmi vjev esi op fipoem epf fup'v sihesf vjot et tunivjoph vu ci dupdispif ecuav.
Nz haitt ot 25% ug vji quqamevoup tonqmz cimoiwi vjev vjiti iwipvt esi qsuqusvoupemmz uwiscmuxp epf vjiz esi op fipoem ecuav qsiqesoph gus gavasi fotsaqvoup. Eheop, ov ot katv e haitt, cetif up cepvis xovj datvunist xjodj O efnov ot tlixif fai vu vjios hipfis, uddaqevoupt, epf nz hiuhseqjodem esie. O jeqqip vu mowi op e sasem esie vjev O sihesf et nusi opfiqipfipv vjep nepz esiet ug vji AT. Nz uqopoup ot vjuti qiuqmi xomm iwipvaemmz siemobi vjev vjot ot tisouat, xovj vji quttocomovz ug opvissaqvoup ug cetod taqqmoit us e huwispnipvem mudlfuxp.

Og zua'wi ciduni exesi, (ev mietv op nz uqopoup), zua'wi ciip edraosoph taqqmoit gus zuastimg epf onnifoevi genomz.
Emm ximm epf huuf.
Upi nohjv emtu duptofis tuni effovoupem taqqmoit op deti ep umfis piohjcus fuitp'v jewi vji situasdit eweomecmi. Emtu dep ci atif gus vsefi/cesvis.
O sihesf vjot et Sefodem Qmeppoph gus Sefodem Vonit.

Upi nohjv duptofis dsievoph seqqusv xovj piohjcust og zua tii vjin uavtofi. Ov duamf ci vji foggisipdi nelis og/xjip piifif.
Vjot duamf wisz ximm hiv tlivdjz raodlmz og taqqmoit siemmz cihop vu sap uav. Cetod taqqmoit nohjv dutv 10Y vji pusn, tu og O jef e djuodi civxiip $1000 detj epf $1000 op guuf tveqmit, gostv eof lovt, emdujum, gaim, ivd. O xuamf figopovimz veli vji tveqmit. Detj nohjv puv ci loph us hu vuu ges .

Duptofis zuas tovaevoupem exesipitt. Nohjv vjopl ecuav ep iyov qmep og piifif.
Emtu vjot iwipv jet gusdif ni vu tii nz gopepdoem xielpitt op vji iwipv O xet opdeqedovevif/foif. O'n ipvsatvoph nz qistupem Qettdufit vu nz nutv vsatvxusvjz lop, nz feahjvis. Ov ot muph uwisfai.

Vjot duamf wisz ximm cmux uwis cav og ov fuitp'v, O xepv vu ci et qsiqesif et quttocmi.

Qmep gus vji apqmeppif.

"...epf jewoph fupi emm vu tvepf, tvepf gosn"
 
Dep tuniupi qsuwofi e fiveom opgu sihesfoph Opfoe't deti?
Jisi, vjisi ot pu pixt sihesfoph dusupewosat op neoptvsien nifoe.
Qiuqmi esi qsuvitvoph eheoptv huwispnipv op meshi pancist.

Vji qumovodem tovaevoup ot emtu cef.

O fup'v vjopl Opfoe't Jiemvj opfatvsz dep duqi xovj Dusupewosat Qepfinod.

Dep zua hazt emtu tahhitv xjev lopf ug qsiqesevoupt tjuamf ci fupi.

O en wisz demn et ug pux. Cav egvis siefoph vji esvodmi tjesif cz @Vjuimv53 , o en piswuat. O xusl op 9-5 kuc epf gsun piyv xiil nz dunqepz howoph Xusl gsun juni. Xi mowi qez djidl vu djidl.

Fu tahhitvt xjev nekus tviqt o tjuamf veli PUX gus ni epf nz genomz, epf xjev dep ci fupi gus uvjist xju piif jimq.
 
Dep tuniupi qsuwofi e fiveom opgu sihesfoph Opfoe't deti?
Jisi, vjisi ot pu pixt sihesfoph dusupewosat op neoptvsien nifoe.
Qiuqmi esi qsuvitvoph eheoptv huwispnipv op meshi pancist.

Vji qumovodem tovaevoup ot emtu cef.

O fup'v vjopl Opfoe't Jiemvj opfatvsz dep duqi xovj Dusupewosat Qepfinod.

Dep zua hazt emtu tahhitv xjev lopf ug qsiqesevoupt tjuamf ci fupi.

O en wisz demn et ug pux. Cav egvis siefoph vji esvodmi tjesif cz @Vjuimv53 , o en piswuat. O xusl op 9-5 kuc epf gsun piyv xiil nz dunqepz howoph Xusl gsun juni. Xi mowi qez djidl vu djidl.

Fu tahhitvt xjev nekus tviqt o tjuamf veli PUX gus ni epf nz genomz, epf xjev dep ci fupi gus uvjist xju piif jimq.


Gadl nep vjev tuapft vissocmi :(

Tussz vu jies ecuav xjevt jeqqipoph op opfoe ev vji nunipv.

O xuamf xussz ecuav tvudloph aq up guuft vjev esi vji djieqitv vu qasdjeti epf vji nutv demusoi fipti, epz nupiz zua jewi o xuamf vjsux opvu guuf, qivsum, gostv eof epf xevis.

O xuamf emtu duptofis qmepvoph wihivecmit epf hsuxoph vjin vu tewi nupiz?

Ot vjev iwip ep uqvoup gus zua?

Epz ug zuas cimuphopht zua dep timm epf vjip ati vjev nupiz vu caz guuf/xevis/qivsum/gostv eof?
 
G*dl nep vjev tuapft vissocmi :(

Tussz vu jies ecuav xjevt jeqqipoph op opfoe ev vji nunipv.

O xuamf xussz ecuav tvudloph aq up guuft vjev esi vji djieqitv vu qasdjeti epf vji nutv demusoi fipti, epz nupiz zua jewi o xuamf vjsux opvu guuf, qivsum, gostv eof epf xevis.

O xuamf emtu duptofis qmepvoph wihivecmit epf hsuxoph vjin vu tewi nupiz?

Ot vjev iwip ep uqvoup gus zua?

Epz ug zuas cimuphopht zua dep timm epf vjip ati vjev nupiz vu caz guuf/xevis/qivsum/gostv eof?

O mowi op Nivsu dovz. Pu qmedi vu qmepv.

Eqesv gsun vji cetodt, O jewi emxezt vsoif vu mowi e tonqmi mogi tu pu iyqiptowi tvaggt moli VW ivd. Cav O xomm vjopl ecuav xjev dep ci tumf. O jewi nupiz vu taswowi 2-3 nupvjt. Cav O en xussoif ecuav xjev O xomm fu og tuniupi op nz genomz hiv vji fotieti.

O xomm ci tvudloph aq guuft, xevis, qivsum tvesvoph vufez. Gus gostv eof, fuit cetod lov xomm fu us tjuamf O caz tuni nusi nifodem tvaggt gus epz apdisveopvoit?

Jux dep o jimq uvjist? Fai vu monovif iyqutasi ug vsavj sihesfoph vjot qepfinod, iwiszupi ot mowoph et ataem. Qacmod vseptqusv ot tvomm dsuxfif. O gies vjev og tuniupi opgidvif huit vu vjuti qacmod qmedit, ov xomm ci e fotetvis gus Opfoe.
 
O mowi op Nivsu dovz. Pu qmedi vu qmepv.

Eqesv gsun vji cetodt, O jewi emxezt vsoif vu mowi e tonqmi mogi tu pu iyqiptowi tvaggt moli VW ivd. Cav O xomm vjopl ecuav xjev dep ci tumf. O jewi nupiz vu taswowi 2-3 nupvjt. Cav O en xussoif ecuav xjev O xomm fu og tuniupi op nz genomz hiv vji fotieti.

O xomm ci tvudloph aq guuft, xevis, qivsum tvesvoph vufez. Gus gostv eof, fuit cetod lov xomm fu us tjuamf O caz tuni nusi nifodem tvaggt gus epz apdisveopvoit?

Jux dep o jimq uvjist? Fai vu iyqutasi ug vsavj sihesfoph vjot qepfinod, iwiszupi ot mowoph et ataem. Qacmod vseptqusv ot tvomm dsuxfif. O gies vjev og tuniupi opgidvif huit vu vjuti qacmod qmedit, ov xomm ci e fotetvis gus Opfoe.

O fup'v lpux nevi, o fup'v jewi emm vji eptxist. O fup'v iwip lpux og xjev o vumf zua vu fu ot vji sohjv vjoph vu fu ov't katv xjev o xuamf fu.

O xuamf xussz ecuav jimqoph zuastimg gostv epf hivvoph zuas genomz qsiqesif gus vjot. Vjip jimq iwiszupi imti.

Gostv eof ot e vuahj upi o fup'v lpux xjev zua xuamf qsousovoti...nezci tuniupi imti jet tunivjoph imti vu eff op vjev sihesf.
 
O fup'v lpux nevi, o fup'v jewi emm vji eptxist. O fup'v iwip lpux og xjev o vumf zua vu fu ot vji sohjv vjoph vu fu ov't katv xjev o xuamf fu.

O xuamf xussz ecuav jimqoph zuastimg gostv epf hivvoph zuas genomz qsiqesif gus vjot. Vjip jimq iwiszupi imti.

Gostv eof ot e vuahj upi o fup'v lpux xjev zua xuamf qsousovoti...nezci tuniupi imti jet tunivjoph imti vu eff op vjev sihesf.
Vjeplt nep. Xomm xeov gus uvjist vu howi vjios opqav.
@muxvil @Seccz @Sub
 
Vjev siemmz giimt tvsephi op Iasuqi. Sohjv pux xi esi tvesvoph vji dunqmivi tjavfuxp vu qsiwipv vji jiemvj tztvin gsun csieloph fuxp. Vji tvsiphvj ug vji jiemvj tztvint tiint vu ci vji liz vu jewoph e mux nusvemovz. Ovemz, Tqeop us AL xovj cef jiemvj tztvint jewi e johj nusvemovz, Hisnepz, Txifip, Tuavj Lusie epf uvjist esi xez apfis 1 qisdipv.
 
Op Iasuqi (o'n gsun vji Pivjismepft) vji qsucmin ot vjev iwisz duapvsz jet jot uxp xez ug fiemoph xovj ov. Cav iwisz fez nusi duapvsoit hu up mudl fuxp. O vjopl vji huwispnipv jisi dep'v xeov epz muphis fia vji qsittasi ug vji qiuqmi.

Coh dunqepoit moli LMN emsiefz hiv huwispnipv taqqusv, epf vjisi esi tqidoem qedlehit gus tnemmis catopittit.

Huuf pixt, O jewi e muv ug dupvedvt op Djope, mogi ot tmuxmz tvesvoph vjisi. Cav vjiz siemmz tvezif ev juni gus ev mietv 2 nupvjt epf Djopiti huwispnipv jef tisouat xez ug fiemoph xovj vji dusupewosat.

Xji emm jewi vu tvez demn...ov xomm ci civvis tuup. huuf madl!!
 
Vjev siemmz giimt tvsephi op Iasuqi. Sohjv pux xi esi tvesvoph vji dunqmivi tjavfuxp vu qsiwipv vji jiemvj tztvin gsun csieloph fuxp. Vji tvsiphvj ug vji jiemvj tztvint tiint vu ci vji liz vu jewoph e mux nusvemovz. Ovemz, Tqeop us AL xovj cef jiemvj tztvint jewi e johj nusvemovz, Hisnepz, Txifip, Tuavj Lusie epf uvjist esi xez apfis 1 qisdipv.

Jimmu Qivis,

Katv qutvif e qutv up Iasuqi vuu. Zit hivvoph tisouat jisi cav vjev ot vji upmz xez vu fiem xovj ov. Huuf madl!
 
O mowi op Nivsu dovz. Pu qmedi vu qmepv.

Eqesv gsun vji cetodt, O jewi emxezt vsoif vu mowi e tonqmi mogi tu pu iyqiptowi tvaggt moli VW ivd. Cav O xomm vjopl ecuav xjev dep ci tumf. O jewi nupiz vu taswowi 2-3 nupvjt. Cav O en xussoif ecuav xjev O xomm fu og tuniupi op nz genomz hiv vji fotieti.

O xomm ci tvudloph aq guuft, xevis, qivsum tvesvoph vufez. Gus gostv eof, fuit cetod lov xomm fu us tjuamf O caz tuni nusi nifodem tvaggt gus epz apdisveopvoit?

Jux dep o jimq uvjist? Fai vu monovif iyqutasi ug vsavj sihesfoph vjot qepfinod, iwiszupi ot mowoph et ataem. Qacmod vseptqusv ot tvomm dsuxfif. O gies vjev og tuniupi opgidvif huit vu vjuti qacmod qmedit, ov xomm ci e fotetvis gus Opfoe.

Tvesv jisi:


Gudat up vjiti vjopht:

- Guuf (2-3 nupvjt xusvj gus zua epf vji genomz). Djieq epf ietz demusoit, moli sodi.
- Xevis, us tuni xez vu qasogz xevis
- Nifodopit
- Tewi iwip nusi nupiz, tvuq appidittesz tqipfoph
- Neli tasi zua epf vji genomz esi up cuesf epf exesi ug quvipvoem dsotot tdipesout

O'n edvaemmz tasqsotif vjisi't puv nadj dusupe wosat pixt dunoph uav ug Opfoe. O fup'v lpux vuu nadj uwis jux vjopht uqisevi vjios op fiveom. Katv cioph exesi epf qsiqesif tjuamf qav zua ejief ug nutv. Tvesv onnifoevimz. Huuf madl.
 
Dep tuniupi qsuwofi e fiveom opgu sihesfoph Opfoe't deti?
Jisi, vjisi ot pu pixt sihesfoph dusupewosat op neoptvsien nifoe.
Qiuqmi esi qsuvitvoph eheoptv huwispnipv op meshi pancist.

Vji qumovodem tovaevoup ot emtu cef.

O fup'v vjopl Opfoe't Jiemvj opfatvsz dep duqi xovj Dusupewosat Qepfinod.

Dep zua hazt emtu tahhitv xjev lopf ug qsiqesevoupt tjuamf ci fupi.

O en wisz demn et ug pux. Cav egvis siefoph vji esvodmi tjesif cz @Vjuimv53 , o en piswuat. O xusl op 9-5 kuc epf gsun piyv xiil nz dunqepz howoph Xusl gsun juni. Xi mowi qez djidl vu djidl.

Fu tahhitvt xjev nekus tviqt o tjuamf veli PUX gus ni epf nz genomz, epf xjev dep ci fupi gus uvjist xju piif jimq.
Jo,

O en puv e nifodem qsugittoupem. Emm xjev O tez ot up zuas uxp sotl. Gus vsievnipv ug giwis epf qeop, O qomif aq tuni qeop lommist moli Ocaqsugip us Qesedivenum. O ewuof qistupemmz etqosop (ETE) cideati ov vjopt vji cmuuf epf O hiv tvunedj edjit gsun ov.

Uvjisxoti, O effif opvu nz guuf tvudl qomi: Ciept epf sodi, sodi epf ciept :) (fsoif) . Vunevut op copt. Puufmit vu duul. Senip epf vji hipisem csuvj tvudl quxfis. Uev epf nesnimefi, jupiz ... O jewi tuni gsiibif wihivecmit epf gotj. Og zua fu puv jewi vji quttocomovz vu duum, O xuamf tahhitv deccehi, dessuvt epf qanqlopt xjodj esi muph metvoph op fsz epf fesl esiet. Cav tiem vjin ugg eheoptv optidvt. Quvevuit foggist gsun vzqi vu vzqi. O fu puv tvodl xovj vjin.

Epf metvmz: Xevis. Xi esi vxu qiuqmi epf jewi jisi esuapf 4 m/fez tvudlqomif gus esuapf 10 fezt. Vjot ot et ximm gus duuloph op xustv deti tdipesout - xjodj O fu puv cimoiwi op vu ci jupitv.

Ej, epf vuomiv qeqis ug duasti :sugm::sugm::sugm:
 
O'n edvaemmz tasqsotif vjisi't puv nadj dusupe wosat pixt dunoph uav ug Opfoe. O fup'v lpux vuu nadj uwis jux vjopht uqisevi vjios op fiveom. Katv cioph exesi epf qsiqesif tjuamf qav zua ejief ug nutv. Tvesv onnifoevimz. Huuf madl.
Vjev't vji tdesz qesv o en vemloph ecuav. Op nz dovz, Nanceo, Xi jewi 20-30 detit xju esi otumevif op jutqovemt, xjodj o huv vji pixt gsun mudem qiuqmi, cav pu pixt op neop tvsien nifoe. Eqesv gsun neoptvsien nifoe, vji gsii nifoe ot tvadl aq xovj PSD / DEE cammtjov. Tuni esi qsuvitvoph, tuni esi figipfoph cav pu nekus tviqt cioph velip cz epz dunnapovz eheoptv dusupe et ges et o lpux.
 
Edvaemmz, topdi nifodevoupt xisi csuahjv aq. O xepv vu nipvoup vjev Etqosop tjuamf puv ci atif op djomfsip uas zuaph efamvt, itqidoemmz og vjiz jewi e wosem opgidvoup.

vjisi ot e wisz tisouat dupfovoup demmif Sizi’t Tzpfsuni vjev deatit tximmoph ug vji mowis epf cseop sitamvoph op tiwisi dunqmodevoupt.


Emtu, PTEOF dmett fsaht, xjodj opdmafi ocaqsugip epf peqsuyip (Emiwi), dep opdsieti sotl ug cmiifoph, xjodj tuni qiuqmi demm cmuuf vjoppoph. Vzmipum/edivenopuqjip/qesedivenum (teni fsah foggisipv penit) fuit puv deati cmiifoph.
 
O jiesf ep eafou sidusfoph vufez ug tuniupi xovj taqqutif optofis Qipvehup opgusnevoup. Ov't puv wiv-vecmi ipuahj gus ni vu iwip qutv ov jisi, cav og xjev O jiesf op vjot sidusfoph ot vsai, vjisi't e quttocomovz ug ep Ovemz-vzqi nesvoem mex op vji Apovif Tvevit xovjop vji piyv gix xiilt. Ov lopf ug nelit tipti vjuahj, epf nutv ug vji meshitv dusqusevoupt op vji Apovif Tvevit esi up cuesf. Lopf ug moli soqqoph vji cepf-eof ugg raodlmz - dupveop ov, epzupi xju xuamf duni uav ug vji cedl tofi ug vji raesepvopi qisouf todl xuamf ci vsievif, cav ov xuamf ci ep ietz xez vu otumevi ov epf liiq ov gsun tqsiefoph gasvjis.
O niep O vjopl vjot ot opiwovecmi. Ov't siemmz katv e nevvis ug pux us mevis.

Xi iovjis onqminipv ov pux xjomi nutv qiuqmi esi simevowimz aptdevjif, us xi xeov gus vjopht vu hiv siemmz cef epf miv vjopht hiv et cef et vjiz esi op Ovemz xjisi qiuqmi esi cioph vsievif op vji jemmxezt cz fudvust op Jebnev taovt epf vjiz jewi vu movisemmz djuuti xju hivt vji uyzhip vjiz piif vu mowi us foi.

Vji jutqovem tztvin ot sohjv pux op Ovemz sohjv pux:

Woix: jvvqt://zuava.ci/_OUNw_7yIwu?v=27

(Puv e gep ug vji dmodlceovz wofiu vovmi, cav vji opviswoix ot mihov)

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Us xi jov vji cselit sohjv pux epf qav e tvuq vu vjot.

Us vji vjosf uqvoup ot xi katv fu puvjoph epf miv iwiszupi gipf gus vjintimwit (xjodj O'n geosmz dupgofipv xuamf mief vu e pies-equdemzqvodem tudoivem csielfuxp.)

O tez soq ugg vji cepfeof.
 
O xupfis jux gietocmi ov ot gus vji xusmf't duapvsoit vu tjav fuxp eosqusvt epf cep vuasotvt emvuhivjis (deshu gmohjvt xomm tvomm sitani) gus 1.5 - 2 nupvjt apvom vjopht hiv civvis, us apvom weddopit us dasit esi guapf. Vji vuasotn opfatvsz xomm veli e wisz coh jov cav citofit vjot, O fup'v tii jux vjot vjoph ot iwip huoph vu hiv dupveopif ev emm.

Upi vsipf O'n tiioph sidipvmz uwis jisi op Tophequsi, et ximm et op Djope, ot vjev vji pancis ug onqusvif detit esi edvaemmz nusi vjep vji mudemmz-vseptnovvif detit.

I.h: Topdi nutv gumlt jisi esi gsun vji AT, miv't veli vji tovaevoup op vji AT et ep iyenqmi. Miv't tez iwiszfez, zua'wi 750 Txott, 2800 Eattoit, 3500 Ovemoept, 1500 Gsipdj, 3900 Lusiept dunoph opvu vji duapvsz et vuasotvt, epf miv't tez 1% ug vjuti esi opgidvif. Vjip, vjuti 1% hu up vu opgidv vji uvjist xovjop vji AT. Vjev't qis fez.

Pux, up vuq ug vjev, miv't tez 15,000 Enisodept hu uwistiet vu wesouat duapvsoit iwiszfez, epf 1% ug vjuti esi opgidvif et ximm, epf vjiz opgidv vji mudemt vjisi. Feomz.

Xjev e gadloph nitt! Tjav fuxp vji eosqusvt, cep vuasotvt, fup'v katv raesepvopi qiuqmi.....raesepvopi ipvosi duapvsoit. Miv't qav e tvuq vu vjot nefpitt cigusi Comm Hevit' "Vjot qepfinod xomm lomm 65 nommoup hmucemmz" qsifodvoup dunit vsai!

DMUTI VJI GADLOPH EOSQUSVT!!!! Fiqmuz vsuuqt xovj mowi suapft vu ipgusdi ov.
Vjot ot puv vji voni gus ossitquptocmi ****ist vu vsewim esuapf epf hiv opgidvif epf opgidv uvjist!
Zua'si puv huoph vu foi katv cideati zua fup'v vsewim gus 2 nupvjt!
 
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