I would literally rather drop dead than work a 9-5 for $75K a year, so there's that.
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Free registration at the forum removes this block.If for some wacky reason you wanted to build your own light bulb, instead of spending years duplicating Edison’s thousands of failed experiments, wouldn’t it be wiser to read his lab notes and see how he did it? How he discovered that a carbonized bamboo filament burns slowly enough in a vacuum to produce more than 1,200 hours of reliable light?
Of course! You’d simply duplicate what he did, rapidly produce a long-lasting light bulb, and get on with your life. Whenever you study someone who was successful at a task you’re preparing to attempt, you pave yourself an incredible shortcut to success.
To say that a degree is completely worthless is a little bit of a longshot.
What about when the market needs say.. Data Scientists. That’s a good example because Data Scientists are in high demand and low supply, so there’s a goldmine there. Same with Artificial Intelligence and Machine Learning. So how do land a position doing Data Science AI or ML without training?
Same with nurses, physicians, psychologists, astrophysicists, engineers, neuroscientists, etc.
Am I going crazy or is everybody basically arguing the same point?
We're not hard on education, we're hard on school. There's a difference.
I usually try to avoid getting into these discussions. It really is a matter of opinion. But, here goes.Okay trust me, I value and respect your perspective and opinion, otherwise I wouldn’t even be here and I actually agree with a lot of what you’re saying... but I’ve spent years studying Data Science and to say "any chart manufactured by a government organization" is to literally accuse the Bureau of Labor Statistics of data fraud. It’s widely known that college graduates, on average, earn more. Pew Research Center and Gallup Polls (which are literally the two most highly respected data science firms in the country, who are not affiliated with the government at all) have similar findings.
I would get bored and roundhouse kick the water machineWhy? And are you sure?
Don't agree. Seems that we will not be on the same page. Not necessary for me to respond anymore.Jobs and businesses are the same thing when boiled down to their essence. As an employee you’re selling your services to an employer in the same way your mechanic sells his services to you.
Except that it does not seem like you get it....I agree with and subscribe to the Fastlane approach for the most part.
The economics will sort itself out. People studying entrepreneurship and going through all the motions but not making sales will go the way of any business that doesn’t make sales.I feel a bit ill, looking at the rising trend of 'fake entrepreneurs', as Gary V calls it. I feel a little afraid to consider what all this will lead up to..probably nothing short of a total economic F*ckup?
The % of degrees that have ZERO economic value or cultural demand is probably greater than three-fourths, or 75%. So instead of educating our youth, the university system has become an indoctrination camp, propagandizing our youth to be useful idiots ready to join the ranks of the victim ideology and the party that panders to it.
I partially read this ..millions seems to stream..
CULTURE HAS EFFED UP OUR STABLE STATE
Why not be happy making 200K and run for the hills? .
My ideology may be effed but millions nowadays should be for philanthropists and those changing the world. We should not compete...we should collaborate.
I am not a millionaire. Nowadays, i dont want to be. The Gov disguise it in taxes but they know our world needs help.
## ditch media exposure for 5 days...notice how you feel after the weekend
@ChrisV
I think there's a little bit of a misrepresentation here.
I don't think anyone is saying that education is bad or evil. It has its place and a lot of the technologies we take for granted today came from Universities and very educated folk.
The bigger picture that I got from Unscripted and TMF is that the market doesn't give a poo about your education.
The market is selfish and wants what it wants.
So, yes go to Uni or College, but go in with your eyes open and don't dare complain when your BS degree doesn't even provide enough value to society that you can't afford to move out your mothers basement.
If someone makes 120k/yr, it’s most likely becasue they provide 120k of value each year. Employers just ‘round’ the numbers like that becasue it’s kind of hard to look over everyone’s shoulder and see exactly how many widgets they’re making. And I think it just makes their expenses more predictable. That and a lot of people like a predictable salary and don’t like the idea of making 18k some months then 1k on others. I think they say “Okay this guy is worth 10k/mo” becasue he provides 10K worth the value per month. It may fluctuate a little each month, but for the most part it’s probably pretty steady.
We're not hard on education, we're hard on school. There's a difference.
Add business analytics and business law to that.But even aside from that, I found college classes to be enriching and really changed my perspective on a lot of things. Logical rhetoric, the scientific method, literature.
I went for a group discussion for one of my college group projects yesterday. A social entrepreneurship proposal project.They *hate* it at this stage. I’ve never seen them so sad. They look depressed they have to keep playing this game of lectures, continuous assessment, grind, exams, piece of paper.
Something I've been thinking about lately... The entrepreneur route is probably more competitive than the job market at the moment. Way too many idiots are calling themselves entrepreneurs when they really created nothing new. They just saw dollar signs and thought "I can do that." Most people would make more money with less effort in a job... unless they start something to be scaled from the beginning. And by scale I don't just mean if the stars align and your product goes viral. I mean something with immediate multi-million dollar potential.
Now to the topic on hand... a real 4 year university degree... OK it's not going to hurt you unless you committed financial suicide to get it.
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