You Don’t Have to be a Freelancer

[Kak]

Copywriting proponents always talk about how it’s good for someone just starting out. I want to challenge them to find a single copywriter that went on to start a successful multimillion dollar unrelated company.

It’s a lie, distraction, and cop out. No one shows up to an entrepreneur forum with a modicum of ambition wishing they could be a keyboard ninja 18 hours a day.

The freelance cultist groupthink needs to stop. This is an entrepreneur forum and not a support group for struggling freelancers. We are here to actually thrive.

You might wonder why I’m so vehement about this lately. It pains me to see bad advice so freely flowing.

It’s time we take some ground back, as a forum, for true scalable and high value commerce. It is available to you even if you think it isn’t.

Edit: If you go through the thread there are several examples of entrepreneurs that started without being a freelancer first. I know because I posted three of them. Feel free to post your own examples. The point of this thread is to put on high display some alternative, and higher probability, starts that show it can be done. You don’t have to be a freelancer first or forever.

This thread is a reminder that entrepreneurs are people that think outside the box and are willing to face things that might be more difficult.

 

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[Antifragile]

Copywriting proponents always talk about how it’s good for someone just starting out. I want to challenge them to find a single copywriter that went on to start a successful multimillion dollar unrelated company.

It’s a lie, distraction, and cop out. No one shows up to an entrepreneur forum with a modicum of ambition wishing they could be a keyboard ninja 18 hours a day.

The freelance cultist groupthink needs to stop. This is an entrepreneur forum and not a support group for struggling freelancers. We are here to actually thrive.

You might wonder why I’m so vehement about this lately. It pains me to see bad advice so freely flowing.

It’s time we take some ground back, as a forum, for true scalable and high value commerce.

100% this.

We need to pivot the discussion. Stop with bad advice and start with better than bad advice.

If I was 20 again, what would I do? Knowing what I know now…

1. Cover the bills. Yea, get a job if you need to.
2. Start a business. Buy/sell shit on Craigslist, become a plumber, hire people, provide snow clearing in winter, whatever. Fail or succeed, expect to win big in experiences. Start a drywall company. Do it better than competitors by learning, studying, practicing, tinkering…

Don’t do copywriting “business” unless you are a rockstar at creating an agency.

Shit like that. I’m just spitballing.

 

[Kak]

It got moved to its own thread!

Ok, let’s get this party started.

 

[JAJT]

Are folks generally advocating copywriting as an actual business idea?

I've always seen it recommended as a side hustle or short term income stream (instead of a typical job), but very rarely do I see folks advocating for it as an actual business.

I've done freelance copywriting myself here and there and while I personally think I'm pretty good at it, and it certainly worked as an income stop-gap, I'd never actually advocate it as a business idea.

Years ago when I was doing it, I could make about $120 USD for roughly 3 hours of work doing copy and keyword research for product pages (amazon, websites, etc). If I was unemployed and had to pick between a min-wage burger flipping type job, or a $40 per hour copywriting hustle, I'd pick the hustle every time. Especially since it's not terribly hard to get higher paying gigs, repeat business, etc. It's VERY easy to make sustainable and self-sourced income with it.

But I agree - it's not a business. It has a linear earning potential where hours in equals income out. 1:1. It's the exact definition of a job.

 

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[Skroob]

Weren't we just talking, like two weeks ago, about how ChatGPT is going to destroy every copywriter anyway? I know the bloom is kind of off the ChatGPT rose now that everyone's realized it's only incrementally better than every other chatbot in existence, but still! Two weeks!

 

[Kak]

Are folks generally advocating copywriting as an actual business idea?

Yes, every week I see someone new show up asking what they should do (which is the first mistake) but inevitably, copywriting is suggested.

It’s as if anything remotely perceived as even slightly more difficult is shunned.

There has always been path of least resistance groupthink in our circles, but the irony is that the path of least resistance is also the path of most competition and work for an ever diminishing level of return.

But I agree - it's not a business. It has a linear earning potential where hours in equals income out. 1:1. It's the exact definition of a job.

My point exactly. Wheel spinning. Survival masquerading as entrepreneurship.

 

[MJ DeMarco]

I think we get a lot of "copywriting / freelance!" posts here because we get a lot of "I have no money and no skills" posts here. As such, freelancing is viewed as more high value in terms of skill creation and money versus working at Burger King for $15/hour.

Giving a choice, I'd rather freelance 6 hours and make $600 than work 40 hours at Burger King for the same amount.

Hard work as a freelancer might yield personal benefits too (selling yourself, deadlines, discipline) while flipping burgers likely won't.

Most people, especially outside of Western countries have to deal with the reality of having ZERO money, and jobs in their countries don't pay $15/hour, but $5/hour.

 

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[RicardoGrande]

I think we get a lot of "copywriting / freelance!" posts here because we get a lot of "I have no money and no skills" posts here. As such, freelancing is viewed as more high value in terms of skill creation and money versus working at Burger King for $15/hour.

Giving a choice, I'd rather freelance 6 hours and make $600 than work 40 hours at Burger King for the same amount.

Hard work as a freelancer might yield personal benefits too (selling yourself, deadlines, discipline) while flipping burgers likely won't.

Most people, especially outside of Western countries have to deal with the reality of having ZERO money, and jobs in their countries don't pay $15/hour, but $5/hour.

This. I have a dayjob in a specialized IT field that wouldn't allow me to do anything else unless someone wanted to hire a part time paper jockey or I signed my life away in contracts being a managed-services provider for local and small businesses. I did work to learn and re-skill twice but ultimately came to the understanding I was building up the foundation for another J.O.B. and more of the same I had at my current job.

@Fox And his web school gave me away to adapt part of my skill set (programming, infrastructure, design skills leftover from college) into making a month's worth of my pay with just 80-120 hours of work. It's not perfect and I've had to make over 2,000 cold calls and stretch myself to the limit to get to a point where I can live just off of freelancing- but the sense of agency and responsibility woke me the F--- up from the zombie-like state I'd been for YEARS while "toying around" with product or ecommerce ideas.

I've also learned a lot about how businesses operate and grow and function at higher levels and made a lot of personal connections and gained knowledge I never would have if I never bothered to start freelancing. This field is saturated as F--- like @Kak says but now that I have more skills, more time, and more capital I can focus on a different business to grow and graduate out of being a freelancer while also not hating my life and the few precious years I have left of being in my 20s.

 

[Robin 133]

There's a huge amount of YouTube's/Gurus pushing this at the mo, so it's probably leaking in from there.

Learning to write copy doesn't seem a bad idea. Understanding how to get your ideas across in a clear persuasive way is a good skill to have. But probably best used to get your ideas across and sell your product.

 

[Kak]

I think we get a lot of "copywriting / freelance!" posts here because we get a lot of "I have no money and no skills" posts here. As such, freelancing is viewed as more high value in terms of skill creation and money versus working at Burger King for $15/hour.

Giving a choice, I'd rather freelance 6 hours and make $600 than work 40 hours at Burger King for the same amount.

Hard work as a freelancer might yield personal benefits too (selling yourself, deadlines, discipline) while flipping burgers likely won't.

Most people, especially outside of Western countries have to deal with the reality of having ZERO money, and jobs in their countries don't pay $15/hour, but $5/hour.

I see your point, but, how does someone with “no skills” suddenly grow an effective and marketable copywriting skill? A skill they can somehow magically sell for $100/hr no less.

2/3 of the time the person they are suggesting copywriting to has pisspoor spelling and grammar too. I understand that English can be a second or third or fourth language, and it excuses their abilities for all, but the most formal use of language. Selling written ad copy is a formal use of the language. They may be better in their first language, but literally zero people suggesting this line of work know.

Can someone who comes here with written skills like a 12 year old truly go market those “skills?”

So my perception of the money side of this argument is the computer. If they have a computer, they have some resources. They can buy rags and wash windows. They can buy paint brushes and start painting. They can buy some wood and start building some shit. They can buy some ingredients and start selling some food. All of that stuff can be turned into a business if you get the value right.

The true answer to having no skills and money though is to build more skills, not accept some lot in life and reject anything that looks like hard work.

 

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[heavy_industry]

THE TITLE OF THE THREAD

 

[Andy Black]

Copywriting proponents always talk about how it’s good for someone just starting out. I want to challenge them to find a single copywriter that went on to start a successful multimillion dollar unrelated company.

It’s a lie, distraction, and cop out. No one shows up to an entrepreneur forum with a modicum of ambition wishing they could be a keyboard ninja 18 hours a day.

The freelance cultist groupthink needs to stop. This is an entrepreneur forum and not a support group for struggling freelancers. We are here to actually thrive.

You might wonder why I’m so vehement about this lately. It pains me to see bad advice so freely flowing.

It’s time we take some ground back, as a forum, for true scalable and high value commerce. It is available to you even if you think it isn’t.

By default I recommend freelancing to people new to business. They get paid to get good at a skill, at selling that skill, and to rub shoulders with business owners if their service is B2B.

I've never recommended copywriting though as I think (guess) it's harder to make work than, say, setting up a website, creating short videos from long videos, or even setting up ads for businesses.

The next time a 13 year old joins wondering what business to setup I'm still going to ask if they watch a lot of YouTube and if they've ever edited videos. Our 10 and 12 year old kids have uploaded YouTube Shorts off their own bat. They wouldn't be able to create any decent copy, and certainly wouldn't be able to land contracts managing paid ads for businesses.

I consider self-employed plumbers, accountants, and software developers as freelancers or solo-preneurs too. I think it's a step towards setting up a business. The harsh learnings trying to sell your skill will teach people a lot about sales, and how little it is about your skills or certifications. Then there's the step of scaling by divorcing your time from your revenue. These are all great skills to learn, and they can be stacked on top of each other.

I'd rather someone starting out picked a skill and then got paid to learn how to deliver great results, rather than spend thousands on business or marketing courses, or on products they then try to sell.

Going self-employed/freelance is often the start or someone's entrepreneurial journey and I for one have a soft spot for helping people on that journey.

 

[Lex DeVille]

Should you learn how to write marketing copy? Yes

Should you start a business as a freelance copywriter? No no no no no no no no no no!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Should you buy my guru courses if you freelance on Upwork? Yes.

Can you trust me? No.

Are freelancers just job-seekers? Yes.

Are freelancers entrepreneurs? No.

Does @BizyDad think I'm incredibly good-looking? Yes.

Can we stop talking about freelancing now? I f*cking hope so.

Can someone who comes here with written skills like a 12 year old truly go market those “skills?”

I did, but I still wouldn't recommend it lol.

 

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[Kak]

THE TITLE OF THE THREAD

I changed it for a reason. This isn’t about attacking freelancing as entrepreneurship. It isn’t entrepreneurship or business ownership. It’s self employment at best, but most of this is contract employment by Upwork.

This should be about the fact that every single millionaire entrepreneur started somewhere, and it wasn’t a cookie cutter prescription for freelancing that got them where they ultimately ended up.

I’ll go, I started mowing lawns and washing cars in high school… In college I signed up, for free, with several providers, to broker their electricity services to businesses. It cost me zero dollars to start. Just a computer and a phone. I ended up landing an entire municipality and also a million square foot data center.

It was saturated but, I was the first to employ echosign at the time and have electronic contracts instead of faxed. So they could sign up on my website. It was pioneering in a weird way and led to some decent success.

I ultimately sold that company and went on to a bunch of other stuff. That’s just how it happened.

Everyone is an unskilled idiot until they aren’t.

 

[Antifragile]

"I have no money and no skills" posts

the solution to "no money & no skills" isn't to try to sell skills you don't have. Just pointing that out. That's my main issue with all those posts.

In real life, I get hit up by copywriters. I gave a few of them a try. They sucked. I should't have been surprised. But here we are...

If you have no skills - work on getting skills, not trying to make bank. Get creative on how to make money from employment too. If "Burger king" is your only option, you aren't creative enough.

Example? A kid reached out to cold on LinkedIn. Asking for advice on how to get started in our industry. Sent me his resume. At the right time... I gave feedback, he scored a job. Foot in the door. Fast forward a year later... he's interviewing with my VP Dev for a six figure job. Sure, it's a job and you all hate that and would rather focus on the "internet business". But that's my point, there are thousands of ways to become an entrepreneur.

 

[Kak]

Funny enough about the Burger King posts…

A friend of mine got his start at Taco Bell. He worked the lowest level job they had. No manager or anything.

Today, he owns 5 hamburger restaurants in small towns all over Texas. He’s a multimillionaire. He swears he learned a ton from that job.

That’s one more guy that made the leap from fast food to multimillionaire than I know that did it from freelancing.

 

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[hexelbyte]

Copywriting only as a skill is like saying you're a chef but only cook via microwaving.
It's easy to start but doesn't mean you can just copywrite your way to riches, just like microwaving everything and calling yourself a chef.

Instead copywrite at its core is sales/marketing.
Develop the skill and use to complement your business.

 

[Kak]

Another millionaire friend of mine… Got his start maintaining equipment for a big corporate lawn service. Worked his way up to an executive level there.

He began working on golf carts in our neighborhood on the side. We have a heavy golf cart culture going on here and they are junk so they break a lot. He eventually got laid off when this company went under and focused fully on the golf carts.

He now has a facility, employees, 7 figure annual billings, and his company heavily sponsors youth motocross now.

 

[Fox]

As a forum sponsor for a straight up freelancing offer let me give me two cents.
And no it won't be to shill freelancing, I agree with a lot of points here.

Instead, I wanted to give my thoughts on why freelancing probably comes up so much more these days.

First, I would guess over the last few few years the traffic of the forum has become less American and more global. In most new threads these days I am seeing members from all over - Europe, Asia, South America, Africa etc.

This also goes along with where I see MJ's books promoted the most - usually on very international channels/content with a large beginner following. This is one example...

For a lot of these countries freelancing is an obvious first choice. You have a job you don't like (or no job at all), and you want to start becoming more entrepreneurial. But your cashflow is next to nothing and your options super limited.

Freelancing is a way to jump in fast with minimal capital needed and not a whole lot of risk (except time).
You have an internet connection and possibility of international clients who can pay 10-50x local wages.

This usually also lines up with the culture of this regions. When you are from a small town in Ireland or Poland or Uganda your local "brick and mortar" options are low and you don't exactly have access to much or any credit.

The appeal of starting a physical store or going washing cars in these countries is next to nothing.
What can be a great hustle in America can quickly get you bankrupt and homeless in some of these countries.

For example I heard on a Lewis Howes podcast a story of how his neighbour was making $3k a day walking dogs.
Like okay - but walking dogs in most other parts of the world means you are practically homeless.

So it isn't that these people don't want to go big, it is that they can't see how.
It is yet hard to imagine a full Fastlane approach to life, and freelancing is a more tangible bridge to get started with.

And none of this is meant to be a limiting belief - big things can always be done in any region.
But just stating the fact of what most people are likely to lean towards in different regions.

Think of the "possibility" difference in perspective between someone from NYC and someone from a Romania village. One guy can get a subway downtown and see all types of wealth creation in person. The other guy walks out the door and sees some farmers moving sheep from one field to another.

Also, I think another reason for this "freelancing activity" is the lack of other niches making much noise at the moment. Where are all the new property threads, or new ecommerce threads, or product creation, or Saas businesses?

And I am 100% not pointing fingers here. All the active forum members (and of course MJ) do a lot of work to help any new threads get going. But I just don't see the organic push on these topics right now - maybe it is post-scamdemic or the current economy.

But - the other niches do seem quiet atm.
So freelancing wins out by just being more popular in general atm...



I do get the counter argument here though - if there were more non-freelancing threads...maybe it would attract even more bigger Fastlane threads and so on.

My thoughts on that though is the pyramid of knowledge. You will always have 80% of people in a large open community at a starting level. So if you want to promote more advanced topics (like BIG Fastlane type progress) then it needs to be done more directly, like hosting calls or doing interviews etc. - and then promoting them over other topics.

Otherwise the starting threads will outnumber the rest 10:1.
it is just the nature of a large form with tons of new members each week.

---

On the copywriting side of this - ya a lot of people need to be honest with themselves and see it isn't the right route for them. To try and compete as a non-english speaker and hope to run a profitable freelancing copywriting business is not very realistic. As Andy said there are way better options like video editing or something more technical.

But copy as a skill (not a business) is of course super valuable, I am sure no one disagrees with that.
So it is more about how people use skills, than the skills themselves.

Anyway, this is getting a bit ramblely but my thoughts would be that this issue could probably be best solved on the forum design/intro side of things. Just like a social media platform's algorithm - you would want a design that pushes certain types of threads more to the front that others.

This way the "goal" of the forum and MJ's work is woven into the journey a new forum user would take and what type of content they are likely to interact with the most. But much easier said that done ha! (Managing a large forum is a beast of a thing and these ideas take 100s of hours of hard work to even test!).

For example a "Fastlane" section with the big historical and current progress threads and then a different Freelancing section with "a guide" to show how it can connect to a bigger plan.

But... I know MJ has worked hard on the layout and that the base software for this forum is a nightmare.
So not saying this is easy, or that it would even work, just more my own guess on what might help.

But ya - it would be cool to see much more BIG fastlane threads.
Freelancers (and everyone else) need to see what is possible with thinking big.

Skills can get you going, but the business model is the way to win.

 

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[Andy Black]

Can someone who comes here with written skills like a 12 year old truly go market those “skills?”

Ah Kyle. Genius copy looks like it was written by a 12 year old.

 

[Kak]

Ah Kyle. Genius copy looks like it was written by a 12 year old.

Thank you guys for all hanging out with me and my searing headache today.

 

[Johnny boy]

The freelance cultist groupthink needs to stop. This is an entrepreneur forum and not a support group for struggling freelancers.

It feels like the latter some days lol

 

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[Kevin88660]

I think we get a lot of "copywriting / freelance!" posts here because we get a lot of "I have no money and no skills" posts here. As such, freelancing is viewed as more high value in terms of skill creation and money versus working at Burger King for $15/hour.

Giving a choice, I'd rather freelance 6 hours and make $600 than work 40 hours at Burger King for the same amount.

Hard work as a freelancer might yield personal benefits too (selling yourself, deadlines, discipline) while flipping burgers likely won't.

Most people, especially outside of Western countries have to deal with the reality of having ZERO money, and jobs in their countries don't pay $15/hour, but $5/hour.

Nowhere near $5 an hour for developing countries.

A college grad I hired from Philipine to play crypto games told me his full time job is 300 U.S. dollar a month. That is around two dollar an hour.

That would be a good case for them to do remote work for English speaking clients oversea.

The reverse is true though I am not in the space of freelancing, that I wonder how you compete as a freelancer as a beginner when someone across the world will be willing to do for much less.

Perhaps freelancing through physical labor is a better option in Western countries. The best business entry barrier is work visa.

In Singapore policies on foreign labor is very liberal. Freelancing through physical labor does not pay well but setting up a cleaning agency with workers hired from Bangladesh works well and has produced millionaires.

 

[Kevin88660]

Copywriting proponents always talk about how it’s good for someone just starting out. I want to challenge them to find a single copywriter that went on to start a successful multimillion dollar unrelated company.

It’s a lie, distraction, and cop out. No one shows up to an entrepreneur forum with a modicum of ambition wishing they could be a keyboard ninja 18 hours a day.

The freelance cultist groupthink needs to stop. This is an entrepreneur forum and not a support group for struggling freelancers. We are here to actually thrive.

You might wonder why I’m so vehement about this lately. It pains me to see bad advice so freely flowing.

It’s time we take some ground back, as a forum, for true scalable and high value commerce. It is available to you even if you think it isn’t.

Edit: If you go through the thread there are several examples of entrepreneurs that started without being a freelancer first. I know because I posted three of them. Feel free to post your own examples. The point of this thread is to put on high display some alternative, and higher probability, starts that show it can be done. You don’t have to be a freelancer first or forever.

To summarize in short that because the size of the copywriting space isn’t large enough to accommodate thousands of profitable business with large revenue, by developing freelancing skill as a copywriter you starts a journey that leads to nowhere.

As you need to find your own customer at start despite not having the relevant skills, the near term reward of copywriting is not as good as it seems. In comparison it is often worst then a job.
Many jobs offer skills that could later be used to develop scalable business.

Hope this summary clarifies and I am getting your message correctly.

 

[BizyDad]

I want to challenge them to find a single copywriter that went on to start a successful multimillion dollar unrelated company.

This anti-copywriting/anti-freelancing rant is tired.

And this quote in particular is lazy thinking. There are numerous "Google-able" examples. It's nice of you to throw out an appeal to ignorance and argue against it. Since you only need one, Joe Sugarman. He built several. His last that I know of happened at age 86 I believe, which is pretty cool.

When you can use the printed word to sell just about anything, what exactly does unrelated mean?

At least those who start down these copywriting / freelancing paths are trying something. You really think flipping burgers is a better starting place? Really? Really really?

But ya - it would be cool to see much more BIG fastlane threads.
Freelancers (and everyone else) need to see what is possible with thinking big.

Forgive my ignorance (and my repeated use of this word).

But can't a category be created called "BIG fastlane threads" and move/promote threads into that category? This category can then be featured in various places on the forum.

Just a thought that I think wouldn't take 100's of hours. But again, I am speaking out of ignorance as I don't know the forum software.

Does @BizyDad think I'm incredibly good-looking? Yes.

Well, did you?

The point of this thread is to put on high display some alternative, and higher probability, starts that show it can be done. You don’t have to be a freelancer first or forever.

Be a doctor or go into real estate. Data shows those are the paths with the most entrepreneurial millionaires (research I did years ago. This was based on American data.) To be clear, I don't mean being a surgeon or family doctor forever. I mean Doctor's often founded high earning companies after they get their degree and work in the industry for a time. Doctors also have a higher degree of patents than most other professions. (It wasn't the highest, I tried to find what was and couldn't).

Now that we know the higher probability paths, can we agree the forum wouldn't be any better for being chock full of aspiring RE investor or aspiring doctorprenuer threads?

People are going to start wherever they start, however they start. Your first ventures didn't show the "Think bigger" methodology. You had to grow into it. Kudos to you for doing it.

But not everyone gets to be @Ravens_Shadow and even Ravens_Shadow didn't know his company could grow so large when he first started it.

He was just trying to solve a problem...

So what are we talking about here? Inspiring more Johnny_boys and @Juan Pimentel? Get people to start in home services? More GPM cryptopeeps? Do we want to highlight more Africans like @KnockTheHustle? Guys like @Kokaka and @AmazingLarry and @Carlitos and @MrTrash757 have some of my favorite progress threads and don't get nearly the recognition or attention they deserve.

And while marketing agencies get a bad wrap, guys like GuitarManDan and @Pat D. Rick have their threads going and growing. I know I'm missing several in this category that I like, but I'm tired and not totally with it right now.

I do wish I knew of more ecom based threads, but those seem to be dormant. Maybe someone else can post what I've missed.

Does that help the goal of the thread?

It is one thing crap on an entire industry over and over and over. It is entirely another to highlight those who are grinding out their own success stories. One makes the forum stronger, the other doesn't.

What are your current favorite progress threads @Kak?

Does anyone else feel like someone deserves a shout out?

 

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[Andy Black]

Does anyone else feel like someone deserves a shout out?

There's a lot of great progress threads listed in this YouTube master thread:

GOLD! - EXECUTION - [Master List] Starting and Building a Youtube Channel

I thought it would be helpful to list all the YouTube progress threads and maybe use this thread as a chat thread about YouTube. I’ll keep this opening post up to date. Please let me know if I’ve missed any. GOLD! - Creating a Thriving Personal Brand w/ YouTube - A Journal & A Personal Guide...

www.thefastlaneforum.com

I've also tried to pull together progress threads about selling courses:

CHAT - [Master Thread] Selling Courses

Here's a thread to chat about selling courses. I'll keep this opening post up to date with links to progress threads and other related threads. Please reply and tag me if there's any I've missed or if there's any new ones. I'll add them to this opening post. # People who know a bit about...

www.thefastlaneforum.com

@MJ DeMarco ... maybe we could create subcategories for various types of progress threads and members could create their threads in the appropriate category, and us mods could move them?

 

[Robdavis]

Does anyone else feel like someone deserves a shout out?

I am a little bit disappointed that more people didn't appear to pay attention to this thread. Maybe they missed it.

SIDE HUSTLE - EXECUTION - Finally getting started!

After all the family and festivities in December, my wife and I are finally getting started with our bakery! This seems like the right place to share my progress. I'd welcome any feedback along the way. First thing - I got my wife to start reading Fastlane. People have been paying her for...

www.thefastlaneforum.com

But it seems to me that whilst this is very very early days (they are only a few weeks in), it is a business that could potentially scale. I don't have any skills / knowledge in this industry so I have only been able to post encouragement, but I'm sure that a few more likes or a comment from someone with expertise would add enormous value to this forum member.

 

[Lex DeVille]

@BizyDad I dunno if you've kept up with my latest progress thread, but it's a digital ecom product that reached just under $7,000 for its third month in business. It's in the INSIDERS's area, so I dunno if that counts for the purposes of this thread.

https://www.thefastlaneforum.com/community/threads/lexs-authority-site.105507/

 

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[Robdavis]

I'm trying to think about how to shift the emphasis of the forum a bit. It seems to me that Fox is right and that there will always be more starting out threads than super success threads, unless the forum is having a crisis of new membership. What might be fairly straightforward from a coding perspective, might be to choose threads of particular type, say progress threads concerning building business systems, and pin them to the top of the forum for say 24 - 48 hours.
The mods would need a process for choosing which thread to feature and I would assume that they would only feature a single thread at a time. Also it would need some kind of label or tag like the "marketplace" tag, but different. Say like a "Fastlane growth story" tag, that would applied for the time it was at the top of the forum. Then we would all know it wasn't a paid-for listing.
This idea might put a way of putting the kind of content that I think that Kak wants to see more of, in people's faces, despite that fact that these type of threads are going to be rarer than the startup threads.
We wouldn't have to have a thread like this posted at the top of the forum all the time, so we wouldn't need to worry about running out of threads.
We could, for example, do it on a regular basis, say every Monday and Tuesday, but not the rest of the week.

 

[BizyDad]

@BizyDad I dunno if you've kept up with my latest progress thread, but it's a digital ecom product that reached just under $7,000 for its third month in business. It's in the INSIDERS's area, so I dunno if that counts for the purposes of this thread.

https://www.thefastlaneforum.com/community/threads/lexs-authority-site.105507/

3 thoughts:

1. The beautiful people have it so easy, don't they?

2. I think it counts. More people should pony up for the INSIDERS.

3. Only $7k? Bro, step it up. Let's go! It's called the FASTLANE forum not the 7k cakewalk. You've had 90 whole days. Sharpen that pencil. You're basically proving Kak's point that copywriting skills don't mean much. Them good looks don't last forever.

Who am I kidding, you're probably going to age like fine wine...

#makeFLFtoughagain