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Wow..talk about stealing from TMF lol

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The thing is, Scott openly praised TMF ... I would have thought he would have at least given some credit somewhere on his page before ripping my shit.
 
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That is Scott Oldford. @S.O here on the forum. (Last seen here April 2014)

He was actually selected to speak at the 2016 Fastlane Summit but never showed up. No notification, no reply to my repeated emails. Just a "no call, no show".

He's been running ads on Facebook like crazy for this SSF thing. I had to hide his video ads because that are extremely annoying.

https://www.facebook.com/officialscottoldford/

Last LOGGED IN to the forum then. Probably last here 5 minutes ago, like most of the creepers. Want some more material, Scott?

Funny that this thread will be indexed for you on Google.

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Aside from the blatant tipping of Fast Lane term..

Holy bad page design batman.

That color scheme hurts my eyes. The copy is horrible. The long copy doesn't.. ever... end.. it.. just.. keeps.. going...

There isn't a CTA until the very bottom. No ones going to stick around through a 15 minute read to see that.

This could be a really good example of what NOT to do for a page.
 

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Aside from the blatant tipping of Fast Lane term..

Holy bad page design batman.

That color scheme hurts my eyes. The copy is horrible. The long copy doesn't.. ever... end.. it.. just.. keeps.. going...

There isn't a CTA until the very bottom. No ones going to stick around through a 15 minute read to see that.

This could be a really good example of what NOT to do for a page.

So he stole from MJ, but didn't actually learn anything from MJ.

Figures.
 
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Scott has contacted me and while he technically or legally needs to do absolutely nothing about this, he has agreed to cite credit to TMF in his verbiage.

I didn't even know who Tai Lopez was until you dbags started complaining about him

Ha Ha -- we are the best of MOFOs aren't we?

Leads... cold, warm, hot... makes perfect sense to me.

Why confuse readers by bringing in terms that don't even match what you're trying to explain?

Which brings us to another question...

What would be a better 3-tier structure for the meaning he is trying to convey?

1) Sleepers (cold)
2) Listeners (warm)
3) Jumpers (hot)

Perhaps we can shift his branding around.


I dunno, just doing some brainstorming which is always fun.
 

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Let's make it easy for google...
Sidewalk, Slow Lane, and Fast Lane sales funnel
SSF method scam ripoff lies

Last LOGGED IN to the forum then. Probably last here 5 minutes ago, like most of the creepers. Want some more material, Scott?

Funny that this thread will be indexed for you on Google.

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There are about 34,000 members here. What if we all clicked his FB ads? Hahahahahah...evil laugh....Hahahahahha.
 

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Props that at least you had the kahunas to own it and post here.

I just finished a draft of a book and I specifically went back through it to eliminate some language that had the potential to infringe on somebody else's thought process. There are so many millions of words in the English language that I just didn't want to run the risk of poking the exact hornets nest that you just poked. There's just too many ways to do things right to spend any time doing them wrong.

You could re-wordsmith it without losing any of your intended focus.
 

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He's the guy that literally did a no-show for the speaking engagement? If I remember correctly, you and I did a soft shoe tap/jazz routine to fill the space.

I told you these knockoffs usually trace back.

NOW it makes sense that he didn't show up to speak.

Imagine his speech, when he starts in with :

The SSF Method is based on what I call three lanes: Sidewalk, Slow Lane, and Fast Lane.

And @GlobalWealth throws the first tomato.
 

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That is Scott Oldford. @S.O here on the forum. (Last seen here April 2014)

He was actually selected to speak at the 2016 Fastlane Summit but never showed up. No notification, no reply to my repeated emails. Just a "no call, no show".

He's been running ads on Facebook like crazy for this SSF thing. I had to hide his video ads because that are extremely annoying.

https://www.facebook.com/officialscottoldford/

He's the guy that literally did a no-show for the speaking engagement? If I remember correctly, you and I did a soft shoe tap/jazz routine to fill the space.

I told you these knockoffs usually trace back.
 

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So he stole from MJ, but didn't actually learn anything from MJ.

Figures.

This ^ perfectly sums it up.

The funny thing is MJ seldom worries about people like this.

Because... they almost always flame out.

Nobody cares. Look at that page. Shitty page, shitty message, NO contact information.

Go ahead and give them your credit card number.

Many times these losers trace back to an email to MJ, a forum member with negative rep, or just a nobody.
 

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you assclowns... now I see this sucker's ugly mug all over my Facebook feed.

Oh the horror.
 
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Leads... cold, warm, hot... makes perfect sense to me.

Why confuse readers by bringing in terms that don't even match what you're trying to explain?
 
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Not that he should have used those terms, but if you actually read his site....

His version of Sidewalk, Slowlane and Fastlane has nothing to do with what MJ talks about. He uses those terms to describe people's willingness to buy a product

  • Sidewalkers don't even know they have a need for your product
  • Slowlaners know they have a need but aren't likely to buy anything right now
  • Fastlaners know they have a need are are desperate to buy something now to fix their problem.


Now, will I sign up for his service? Nope. I don't even know what he's offering. The copy is too painful to read.
 
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So he stole from MJ, but didn't actually learn anything from MJ.

Figures.

He'll still get some people, because they don't know any better either.

"Waterboarding at Guantanamo Bay probably sounds amazing if you don't know what either of those things are." - some guy on reddit.
 
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That is Scott Oldford. @S.O here on the forum. (Last seen here April 2014)

He was actually selected to speak at the 2016 Fastlane Summit but never showed up. No notification, no reply to my repeated emails. Just a "no call, no show".

He's been running ads on Facebook like crazy for this SSF thing. I had to hide his video ads because they are extremely annoying.

https://www.facebook.com/officialscottoldford/
 
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I don't get it.

And I will never get it.

How can you expect to get away with things like that?

Especially in (digital) times like this.

What does that mean for your future (business) life if you are caught stealing once?

Show some freaking respect for other people's work.

Man, show some freaking respect for your freaking self.

Because if you did, you would never blatantly copy anything.
 

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The ffsmethod ...
 

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Hey guys, Scott here.

I figured I'd chat in here real quick -- since someone was nice enough to post on a Facebook Post of mine and Google Alerts let me know :).

I give full credit where credit is due.
MJ influenced my life in a huge way, about 3.5 years ago when I was in a lot of debt, I used to bring his book to the gym with me on the treadmill almost every day... after selling "out" to an agency and giving up on my dream and my mission, it helped me find my passion again, when I didn't "want" to find it.

I go as far as talking about his book and how much I respect him in a multitude of ways and even include an interview with him in our Online Lead Generation course - The SSF (Sidewalk, Slow Lane, Fast Lane), telling those who buy into what we do (and even those that don't at times), that this book along with The Freaks Shall Inherit the Earth (Chris Brogan) changed the game for me.

If you read into the methodology, while it uses the same language, the mentality is about buyer awareness (cold, warm, hot leads), not specific to finances and life and/or business in the Million Dollar FastLane.

I was also set to speak specifically on this method back at the Feb meet-up - I canceled. I was in Florida beforehand, had a flight from there and got sick on the way... Iit was last minute, I didn't get a reply after I let the team know, I reached out a few times after, however, I figured I burnt a bridge (that I obviously never would want to burn). I didn't intend to not go -- I even promoted this internally to my customer-base at the time.

Simply put - MJ's book changed my life. He also changed my beliefs on the fact that I could be who I was... the weird, geeky "fat kid" that grew up and always seeking validation from the business world.

Anyways, there isn't a person that I talk too, where this doesn't come up in my story... it was just too impactful.
I do apologize, if as a community you feel that I'm overstepping a boundary and I've reached out to MJ again to chat on this, again, yesterday evening.

Talk soon.
 

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I don't get it.

And I will never get it.

How can you expect to get away with things like that?

Especially in (digital) times like this.

What does that mean for your future (business) life if you are caught stealing once?

Show some freaking respect for other people's work.

Man, show some freaking respect for your freaking self.

Because if you did, you would never blatantly copy anything.

Probably because copying something as successful as TMF , and someone as successful as MJ, is seen as a shortcut to riches.

"Skip the process and proceed directly to wealthy." <----yeah, that'll work :rolleyes:

Apparently he missed the part where MJ worked hard to build his process.
 

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Well I don't know about that specific site/funnel but this guy makes crazy amounts of money so he is living in the fast lane. He was recently featured on entrepreneur.com, mixergy.com, success.com and other sites.

There was a guy on the forum a few years ago. He talked a LOT about how much sales he did. I got to know him. What nobody knew was that he spent more than he sold. I guess he thought he would make it up in volume. Things aren't always what they appear to be.
 

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Probably because copying something as successful as TMF , and someone as successful as MJ, is seen as a shortcut to riches.

"Skip the process and proceed directly to wealthy." <----yeah, that'll work :rolleyes:

Apparently he missed the part where MJ worked hard to build his process.

I get why people do it.

I just don't get how people can be so naive that they...

A...do it
B...expect to have lasting success
C...and expect to get away with it

I found this today and think it's a good chance to bump it - @SinisterLex and his take on shortcuts:

 
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you assclowns... now I see this sucker's ugly mug all over my Facebook feed.

Oh the horror.

I started seeing these ads right after posting on this thread. Same with Tai F'ing Lopez. I didn't even know who Tai Lopez was until you dbags started complaining about him, and now I see his ads every day. That's an innocence I can never get back.

The only way to stop the impending thousand year Zuckerreich is to log out of FB and clear your cookies BEFORE doing anything else on your browser.
 

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holy thread necro, batman.

For giggles, I clicked the link to see what he's up to now. Now it's the ROI method; his "relevancy engine".

Typical 2012 sales page stuff. Video with testimonials and "application" for a 15 minute call.
I watched the video. He's online marketing his services that help online marketing companies market their online marketing services better.

@lowtek You're the resident physics expert here on the forum - Is this the beginning of a black hole forming?
 

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I watched the video. He's online marketing his services that help online marketing companies market their online marketing services better.

@lowtek You're the resident physics expert here on the forum - Is this the beginning of a black hole forming?

lol we're approaching critical mass of bullshit.

@MJ DeMarco I propose that you expand the bro marketing terminology to encompass this phenomenon. I think "Broception" is a fitting description :p
 

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