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Hey guys,

Figured I should post another thread since it's been a long time. Been very busy working for someone else's business (although it's my family's). I've tried and failed at more ideas this past year than I ever had in years prior (LOL) but wanted to get some feedback on this one...

I've been following the workout program written by Kinobody (I know some of y'all love him and some hate him) for going on 3 years now with pretty great results.

The problem is that I have this extremely long-winded note in my phone to track my progress! So, using Microsoft Excel, I designed an app with every screen I'd like it to have, every button, and all the functionality, and I hired a freelancer to program it for me.

This was over 6 months ago...

I paid roughly $300 for this guy to do the programming and he sent me demo videos, I suggested changes, and he made them for free. He delivered the finished product, and the videos looked good, but there is one problem...

I don't own a Mac!

So, if this idea is worth pursuing, should I shell out multiple G's ($$$) for an Apple Macbook, to be able to open the files, view his work, edit anything that's ugly or wrong, and publish to the app store?

What would the Fastlaners do?

Lots of confused replies to this. It's not a workout plan, a training plan, or a diet plan. It's a tool that you use with whatever program you decide to go on. The tool is for better tracking of whatever you do in the gym.
 

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Hey guys,

Figured I should post another thread since it's been a long time. Been very busy working for someone else's business (although it's my family's). I've tried and failed at more ideas this past year than I ever had in years prior (LOL) but wanted to get some feedback on this one...

I've been following the workout program written by Kinobody (I know some of y'all love him and some hate him) for going on 3 years now with pretty great results.

The problem is that I have this extremely long-winded note in my phone to track my progress! So, using Microsoft Excel, I designed an app with every screen I'd like it to have, every button, and all the functionality, and I hired a freelancer to program it for me.

This was over 6 months ago...

I paid roughly $300 for this guy to do the programming and he sent me demo videos, I suggested changes, and he made them for free. He delivered the finished product, and the videos looked good, but there is one problem...

I don't own a Mac!

So, if this idea is worth pursuing, should I shell out multiple G's ($$$) for an Apple Macbook, to be able to open the files, view his work, edit anything that's ugly or wrong, and publish to the app store?

What would the Fastlaners do?
There are many virtual cloud mac minis service or use aws mac mini
 

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There are many virtual cloud mac minis service or use aws mac mini

Never heard of that, thank you.

That alone is another fastlane business : renting out your hardware through the cloud, if I understand correctly.
Wow!
 

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By 'app,' do you mean an app for an iPhone? If you do, he should be able to publish the program using TestFlight so you can run it on your phone.

$300 for an app, even in Pakistan, is very little money...
 

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Hey guys,

Figured I should post another thread since it's been a long time. Been very busy working for someone else's business (although it's my family's). I've tried and failed at more ideas this past year than I ever had in years prior (LOL) but wanted to get some feedback on this one...

I've been following the workout program written by Kinobody (I know some of y'all love him and some hate him) for going on 3 years now with pretty great results.

The problem is that I have this extremely long-winded note in my phone to track my progress! So, using Microsoft Excel, I designed an app with every screen I'd like it to have, every button, and all the functionality, and I hired a freelancer to program it for me.

This was over 6 months ago...

I paid roughly $300 for this guy to do the programming and he sent me demo videos, I suggested changes, and he made them for free. He delivered the finished product, and the videos looked good, but there is one problem...

I don't own a Mac!

So, if this idea is worth pursuing, should I shell out multiple G's ($$$) for an Apple Macbook, to be able to open the files, view his work, edit anything that's ugly or wrong, and publish to the app store?

What would the Fastlaners do?
Do you have the code? That's only thing matters now
 

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By 'app,' do you mean an app for an iPhone? If you do, he should be able to publish the program using TestFlight so you can run it on your phone.

$300 for an app, even in Pakistan, is very little money...

Yes, an iphone app. It was extremely cheap; the guy was on Fiverr. I really need to find a way to run it and test it out because otherwise I basically burned $300 for nothing!
 

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Do you have the code? That's only thing matters now
Yes I do, it's all in an Xcode folder I believe but my PC at home doesn't recognize any of it of course.
 

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Yes, an iphone app. It was extremely cheap; the guy was on Fiverr. I really need to find a way to run it and test it out because otherwise I basically burned $300 for nothing!

Indie app dev here and I second every work Jon L said.

~Testflight is an app that lets you test out fully functional iOS apps that haven't actually been released yet. Your developer sends you an email with a code and once you "Redeem" it in the testflight app your own app installs. Works perfectly for everything except activating subscriptions.

~ $300 for an app sounds too good to be true, make sure you test the app on Testflight before you hand over the cash.

Best of luck dude... :peace:
 
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Indie app dev here and I second every work Jon L said.

~Testflight is an app that lets you test out fully functional apps that haven't actually been released yet. Your developer send you an email with a code and once you "Redeem" it in the testflight app your own app installs. Works perfectly for everything except activating subscriptions.

~ $300 for an app sounds too good to be true, make sure you test the app on Testflight before you hand over the cash.

Best of luck dude... :peace:

Thank you so much!!

Yes it was quite cheap lol - maybe my app is too simplistic. I'll be testing it after Christmas.
 

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Where did you find this freelancer? is there a special website for Pakistani freelancers?
He was on Fiverr. It’s not the best place to hire freelancers, but the app is very simple and this guy had great reviews.

He was easy to work with and responsive.

Am I worried about people stealing my idea? Not really! It’s not a crazy revolutionary idea, it’s just my own way of how to organize a common problem.
 

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@thechosen1 - I was looking at hiring a dev off Fiverr, but would realistically have to pay $1-2k since mine is a bit more complicated. Keep us updated on the progress, I'd like to see the first version of the finished product and see how far $300 got you. Cheers.
 

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I don't necessarily think this is a great idea. There's plenty of people who have tried this approach already.

Chris Hemsworth created Centr. He's a multi-millionaire with a platform to promote his product through a physique that people only saw in movies under the best lighting conditions put together by people who work in a billion-dollar industry.

Jordan Peters is a monstrous bodybuilder who created the app 'trained by JP". He boasts a freaky physique that he uses to promote his training methods through the app.

Renaissance periodization has training templates and a very successful dieting app. They're an army of IFBB bodybuilding professionals, PHDs, and exercise science researchers who are incredibly well respected within the evidence-based strength training/body recomposition community.

Train Heroic is a software that allows coaches to create group programs to share with a large audience via a subscription fee. Matt Ogus and Paul Carter are both people who utilize this app and many people already use it. They already have large social media followings and are also well respected within the evidence-based strength training community.

Eugene Teo created an app called the Ganbaru method that offers an ultra-wide range of well designed and aesthetically pleasing programs, instructional videos, and lectures. His youtube channel promotes this and he leverages a large audience pool with his physique.

Now then the question is, what does "thechosen1" bring to the table with his training app? I truly don't mean to be condescending here my friend, I just hope you take this on board. Why should people pick your training app over everyone else's? Is it more palatable, presentable, and easy to use than apps/programs designed by people like Eugene, Paul, and Matt?

Do you have a large audience pool to draw from due to you playing a role in a superhero movie with people hired with the sole job of making sure you look perfect from every camera angle?

Do your training methods really help your clients gain substantially more results than companies who are packed with people at the forefront of exercise science as advisors? Are you really doing a better job and creating more value than these other applications that are already on the market?
 

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I don't necessarily think this is a great idea. There's plenty of people who have tried this approach already.

Chris Hemsworth created Centr. He's a multi-millionaire with a platform to promote his product through a physique that people only saw in movies under the best lighting conditions put together by people who work in a billion-dollar industry.

Jordan Peters is a monstrous bodybuilder who created the app 'trained by JP". He boasts a freaky physique that he uses to promote his training methods through the app.

Renaissance periodization has training templates and a very successful dieting app. They're an army of IFBB bodybuilding professionals, PHDs, and exercise science researchers who are incredibly well respected within the evidence-based strength training/body recomposition community.

Train Heroic is a software that allows coaches to create group programs to share with a large audience via a subscription fee. Matt Ogus and Paul Carter are both people who utilize this app and many people already use it. They already have large social media followings and are also well respected within the evidence-based strength training community.

Eugene Teo created an app called the Ganbaru method that offers an ultra-wide range of well designed and aesthetically pleasing programs, instructional videos, and lectures. His youtube channel promotes this and he leverages a large audience pool with his physique.

Now then the question is, what does "thechosen1" bring to the table with his training app? I truly don't mean to be condescending here my friend, I just hope you take this on board. Why should people pick your training app over everyone else's? Is it more palatable, presentable, and easy to use than apps/programs designed by people like Eugene, Paul, and Matt?

Do you have a large audience pool to draw from due to you playing a role in a superhero movie with people hired with the sole job of making sure you look perfect from every camera angle?

Do your training methods really help your clients gain substantially more results than companies who are packed with people at the forefront of exercise science as advisors? Are you really doing a better job and creating more value than these other applications that are already on the market?
Excellent post!

It may however be possible to find a niche where you could find a loyal audience.

I’m trying that with my Celtic meditation app as it’s a unique take on an increasingly flooded market... I’ll be able to tell you this time next year if it worked! Lol

Also check out this fitness app review... it covers some of Sifix’s points:
about 20 minutes into the video:
View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bzxb5hBCHak&ab_channel=AppMasters
 

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Excellent post!

It may however be possible to find a niche where you could find a loyal audience.

I’m trying that with my Celtic meditation app as it’s a unique take on an increasingly flooded market... I’ll be able to tell you this time next year if it worked! Lol

Also check out this fitness app review... it covers some of Sifix’s points:
about 20 minutes into the video:
View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bzxb5hBCHak&ab_channel=AppMasters
Cheers mate. I agree that he could find a niche and loyal audience. I think I should've actually made it clear that I believe he most likely will.

The main thing I was getting at waswhether or not it will be far too niche. He's already paying a lot for a programmer. There's also going to be financial/time costs like the following:

- Are you a registered dietician or doctor? If not there could be legal issues if an elderly person, teenager, or person with a pre-existing condition uses your app and gets themselves hurt. Lawyers are expensive.

- I'm a competitive strength athlete (powerlifter). I have worked with coaches, seen people coach clients, and also coached some people myself. They WILL ask questions. There will be people who don't know what a squat is, or ask questions like "should my foot point out slightly at 'x' angle?", "why does my butt itch after lunges?". If you DON'T answer these questions you will run into problems with adherence to your app. If you DO answer these questions, you'll probably lose money trying to keep up with them.

- Your app will almost certainly have bugs that come up. You will have customer complaints. You are going to spend a lot of time dealing with this and are enough people actually going to have a reason to use your app?
 

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I don't necessarily think this is a great idea. There's plenty of people who have tried this approach already.

Chris Hemsworth created Centr. He's a multi-millionaire with a platform to promote his product through a physique that people only saw in movies under the best lighting conditions put together by people who work in a billion-dollar industry.

Jordan Peters is a monstrous bodybuilder who created the app 'trained by JP". He boasts a freaky physique that he uses to promote his training methods through the app.

Renaissance periodization has training templates and a very successful dieting app. They're an army of IFBB bodybuilding professionals, PHDs, and exercise science researchers who are incredibly well respected within the evidence-based strength training/body recomposition community.

Train Heroic is a software that allows coaches to create group programs to share with a large audience via a subscription fee. Matt Ogus and Paul Carter are both people who utilize this app and many people already use it. They already have large social media followings and are also well respected within the evidence-based strength training community.

Eugene Teo created an app called the Ganbaru method that offers an ultra-wide range of well designed and aesthetically pleasing programs, instructional videos, and lectures. His youtube channel promotes this and he leverages a large audience pool with his physique.

Now then the question is, what does "thechosen1" bring to the table with his training app? I truly don't mean to be condescending here my friend, I just hope you take this on board. Why should people pick your training app over everyone else's? Is it more palatable, presentable, and easy to use than apps/programs designed by people like Eugene, Paul, and Matt?

Do you have a large audience pool to draw from due to you playing a role in a superhero movie with people hired with the sole job of making sure you look perfect from every camera angle?

Do your training methods really help your clients gain substantially more results than companies who are packed with people at the forefront of exercise science as advisors? Are you really doing a better job and creating more value than these other applications that are already on the market?
Sigh...

It’s not a training app.

It’s a tool for recording your progress.

I don’t tell users what workouts to do or what meals to eat.

Everything you described is irrelevant to what my app is designed to do.

I’ve done programs like those. They’re all pretty good, but none of them have the tracking tool that I designed.

So I guess I didn’t explain my app very well because what you’re talking about is not at all what I’m making!

You can do ANY program and then use my app to record your progress. That way you don’t have to have a pen and paper, or worse, a 10,000 word iPhone Note. Because none of these programs have a good tool for this.

So my app is a utility - it is not a “workout” or “training” program that you follow to get fit. Just a tool that you use with someone else’s workout or training program.
 

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Cheers mate. I agree that he could find a niche and loyal audience. I think I should've actually made it clear that I believe he most likely will.

The main thing I was getting at waswhether or not it will be far too niche. He's already paying a lot for a programmer. There's also going to be financial/time costs like the following:

- Are you a registered dietician or doctor? If not there could be legal issues if an elderly person, teenager, or person with a pre-existing condition uses your app and gets themselves hurt. Lawyers are expensive.

- I'm a competitive strength athlete (powerlifter). I have worked with coaches, seen people coach clients, and also coached some people myself. They WILL ask questions. There will be people who don't know what a squat is, or ask questions like "should my foot point out slightly at 'x' angle?", "why does my butt itch after lunges?". If you DON'T answer these questions you will run into problems with adherence to your app. If you DO answer these questions, you'll probably lose money trying to keep up with them.

- Your app will almost certainly have bugs that come up. You will have customer complaints. You are going to spend a lot of time dealing with this and are enough people actually going to have a reason to use your app?
Yeah like I said, you don’t seem to understand what the app does.

It doesn’t give you any workouts.

It doesn’t tell you how to eat or what diet to use.

It is just a tool for recording information week by week.

So those “competitors” are not actually my competitors.

In fact, those other trainers and program designers would be my best customers. They would refer clients to use my app or use it themselves.

Unless they prefer keeping a pen and paper journal every week (yuck)
 

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If you couldn't find any app that solves the problem you're having with taking notes in the way that you want, then maybe there's other people out there that would like your app.

The best way to find out is :

Phase 1 -> Go on the interwebs and ask around. Probably reddit would be a good place. Do not try to sell your idea or your soution. Just ask if other people have a problem taking notes like you do. Or maybe ask how people take notes and why. That should give you an idea if what problems people have and what other solutions/competitors are out there. If it looks like other people are in your shoes, then you're golden. Proceed to Phase 2.

Phase 2 -> make a small prototype. You can publish the app you already paid for, or make an edited video showing people how your solution would work( how dropbox did ), or simply ask them if an app like what you have in mind would be useful for them and you.
Go into this from a WE mentality. We all have the same problem, let's see if there's a way to fix it.

Phase 3 -> take the feedback they gave you and if needed, change your solution to better suit their needs.

Then present the new solution, then take feedback and change product again and again. Even after your product is live, still have a way to collect user feedback or user behavior data. You should always aim to improve your product.

I am currently in this process myself so if you need more tips, feel free to dm me.
 

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If you couldn't find any app that solves the problem you're having with taking notes in the way that you want, then maybe there's other people out there that would like your app.

The best way to find out is :

Phase 1 -> Go on the interwebs and ask around. Probably reddit would be a good place. Do not try to sell your idea or your soution. Just ask if other people have a problem taking notes like you do. Or maybe ask how people take notes and why. That should give you an idea if what problems people have and what other solutions/competitors are out there. If it looks like other people are in your shoes, then you're golden. Proceed to Phase 2.

Phase 2 -> make a small prototype. You can publish the app you already paid for, or make an edited video showing people how your solution would work( how dropbox did ), or simply ask them if an app like what you have in mind would be useful for them and you.
Go into this from a WE mentality. We all have the same problem, let's see if there's a way to fix it.

Phase 3 -> take the feedback they gave you and if needed, change your solution to better suit their needs.

Then present the new solution, then take feedback and change product again and again. Even after your product is live, still have a way to collect user feedback or user behavior data. You should always aim to improve your product.

I am currently in this process myself so if you need more tips, feel free to dm me.

Thank you. This is a great idea.

I'm thinking (based on replies to this thread) that my intentional ambiguity around the idea has misled people about what it is. I shouldn't be surprised, because I was trying not to give away too many details.

Basically, I tried to find an app myself that does this and there were none.

Here's what mine does (or will do):

You set up a weekly routine. Type in whatever workouts you want. Add a new workout and name it something you made up, doesn't matter.

Assign this to a weekly schedule (MWF, TR, MTWRF, etc.)

Every day you work out, open the app, record your sets, reps, and weight. You can set it up to keep sets constant or reps constant or both. Personally my sets are the same but the reps vary, as does the weight.

Record what reps you did at what weights.

Look back over the past 52+ weeks to see your progress.

That's it! :)
I don't want my idea to be stolen, but there you have it. I'm working on this. If someone steals my idea, at least give me some credit.
 

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I don't want my idea to be stolen, but there you have it. I'm working on this. If someone steals my idea, at least give me some credit.
Don't worry mate. Ideas are not that important. Execution is where it's at. I'm sure there's been hundreds of people with your idea that did nothing with it. I personally have a quite weird idea and when I did some market validation, I had at least 3 other people say they had the EXACT same idea but never got around to working on it.
 

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I guess you mean something like Simple Workout Log for Android:
or Strong Workout Tracker Gym Log for iPhones:
I am using SWL on android and it's great. Never used the iPhone one, but it has a lot of good reviews too.
Workout log like that is a fairly simple thing (for me: the simpler the better). It may be hard to improve on it, but I guess you have a plan on doing that (that you probably don't want to share here). I've been working out for years and went through different notebooks, spreadsheets, and now apps to track my progress, so I'll be interested to see your baby. Good luck!
 
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Yeah like I said, you don’t seem to understand what the app does.

It doesn’t give you any workouts.

It doesn’t tell you how to eat or what diet to use.

It is just a tool for recording information week by week.

So those “competitors” are not actually my competitors.

In fact, those other trainers and program designers would be my best customers. They would refer clients to use my app or use it themselves.

Unless they prefer keeping a pen and paper journal every week (yuck)

There are already apps out there that do exactly what your app does. It's either already built into the apps I mentioned so there is no reason they'd refer their clients to you (why not just cut out the middle man?). They already have a super clean UI designed by a professional app development team. Why would they spend extra time and money subscribing to and learning how to use an app when their own app already does the same thing (and most likely better too)?

One example, Train Heroic not only allows you to track all your volume load, it even lets you track and log recovery variables. It has a network where your coach can give you direct feedback as well as view your feedback.

Other than that, I guess my only anecdotal observation would be that everyone in my gym either doesn't track their training, has their coach do it for them, or simply uses google sheets they can find online in 10 seconds for free.

Even if they didn't, what makes your app better than the hundreds of other workout logging apps out there? They have bigger dev teams, more customer support, and a well-established pool of users. They even spit out your e1RM and accessory/main lift correlation for you. They're either apps promoted by fitness influencers who have a large following or they are the top results when you search in google:

So then I guess my question is since your idea is certainly not a novel one, what separates it from the rest of the market? Are people even going to see your app?
 

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I guess you mean something like Simple Workout Log for Android:
or Strong Workout Tracker Gym Log for iPhones:
I am using SWL on android and it's great. Never used the iPhone one, but it has a lot of good reviews too.
Workout log like that is a fairly simple thing (for me: the simpler the better). It may be hard to improve on it, but I guess you have a plan on doing that (that you probably don't want to share here). I've been working out for years and went through different notebooks, spreadsheets, and now apps to track my progress, so I'll be interested to see your baby. Good luck!

Awesome!! I’ve actually never found any good workout logging apps. I’m going to try out both of these for some ideas and modifications.
 

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There are already apps out there that do exactly what your app does. It's either already built into the apps I mentioned so there is no reason they'd refer their clients to you (why not just cut out the middle man?). They already have a super clean UI designed by a professional app development team. Why would they spend extra time and money subscribing to and learning how to use an app when their own app already does the same thing (and most likely better too)?

One example, Train Heroic not only allows you to track all your volume load, it even lets you track and log recovery variables. It has a network where your coach can give you direct feedback as well as view your feedback.

Other than that, I guess my only anecdotal observation would be that everyone in my gym either doesn't track their training, has their coach do it for them, or simply uses google sheets they can find online in 10 seconds for free.

Even if they didn't, what makes your app better than the hundreds of other workout logging apps out there? They have bigger dev teams, more customer support, and a well-established pool of users. They even spit out your e1RM and accessory/main lift correlation for you. They're either apps promoted by fitness influencers who have a large following or they are the top results when you search in google:

So then I guess my question is since your idea is certainly not a novel one, what separates it from the rest of the market? Are people even going to see your app?

Coke and Pepsi both exist.

If we all give up every time something similar exists, nobody would ever make anything.

There are absolutely things that can be done differently or just done better.

Im gonna be honest though - this “Strong” app looks exactly like what I had the guy on Fiverr make.
 
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Im gonna be honest though - this “Strong” app looks exactly like what I had the guy on Fiverr make.
That doesn't sound good. I guess most people would just quit at this point and maybe that's the wise decision I don't know.

But before you quit on this idea, do some research. See how many customers they have, how much the app costs and how much money that app potentially makes. Maybe see if it does everything you need it to do. Maybe it misses something, or maybe the marketing of that app sucks and you could do it better.

Main point is, maybe you could do a better job and find some space for yourself in the market.
 

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That doesn't sound good. I guess most people would just quit at this point and maybe that's the wise decision I don't know.

But before you quit on this idea, do some research. See how many customers they have, how much the app costs and how much money that app potentially makes. Maybe see if it does everything you need it to do. Maybe it misses something, or maybe the marketing of that app sucks and you could do it better.

Main point is, maybe you could do a better job and find some space for yourself in the market.
And check out all their reviews, especially the 1/2 star ones for ideas! That’s what I do! ☘️
 

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@Mike Stoian not sure about monetization of Strong app, but Simple Workout Log is free. It has some premium plan I was never interested in and in the free version it displays ads at the bottom. That's it.
 

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