WINTER IS COMING: European Winter of '22

[GPM]

The world does not have an energy problem. There is in fact more available energy for us to use than ever before thanks to technological advancements. What the world has is a government problem, and people putting up with what said government forces upon us.

Why do people still buy that the government is the moral authority and speaks as such? They have proven time and time again to not be the moral authority, and in fact are so corrupt it is frightening. And yet they say what they do is "right" and the idiot masses just lap it up.

 

[GPM]

Ah yes, the big woke agenda of running on gas, oil and coal. Smh.

Ummm, no, they are prematurely stopping using those resources and going after "green" tech. In reality "green" tech is inferior in every way, and barely even stands up using stolen tax dollars and forced mandate. Will it be better? Absolutely, there is no way it won't end up better in every way. But it is not even close to there yet.

Cutting the resource off that has literally given the planet the current standard of living and comfort that we all enjoy, and replacing it by force with something that is just as horrible environmentally, but just in a different way, that is nowhere even close to ready to replace the worlds power resources, is absolutely foolish.

I can guarantee you that not a single person pushing for 100% "green" is living what they are preaching. For goodness sake, the whole idea of a "carbon footprint" was invented by a freaking oil company!!!

 

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[Fox]

Buying into government Green energy policies is as scripted as it gets.



Imagine giving up control of your basic needs to heat/cool your own house or when/how you drive your car...


But...


As if politicians give AF. It is either for more control or to virtual signal.

At the start of the Russian/Ukraine war, people called on Elon Musk to stop all Tesla cars from working in Russia. If these Green politicians get their way, that will be you next - instead, it will be for anything from a new green goal or that you posted something offensive online.

If it all boils down to it, what you need most is shelter and food. And energy is a massive part of that. Giving more control to the government on this is the worst idea ever.

 

[MitchC]

Giving more control to the government on this is the worst idea ever.

This 100%.

People don’t realise they are voting for their own imprisonment when they vote for this shit.

What does “net 0” look like? Well the WEF will tell you. It means no commercial flights for one thing. 0 commercial flights by 2030 is literally written right there on their plan.

I believe the Netherlands are paying $10,000 per head of cattle that farmers cull. They are basically using tax payers dollars to starve tax payers. Apparently this will reduce carbon emissions. What will the people eat? Fake seed oil and gmo soy slop from bill gates or starve no doubt. Or crickets and bugs if you check the WEF website.

California is encouraging people not to charge their cars, what happens when electricity shortages like that become normal and everyone has electric cars?

Well clearly the govt will decide who, when and where people are allowed to drive their cars.

Which will effectively mean they’ll decide who’s work is “essential” like the pandemic, and only those people will be able to drive to work, everyone else can work from home.

Want to leave your house to do shopping or go on a road trip? Sorry get delivery from Amazon and have a holiday in Metas VR.

 

[AceVentures]

The energy debate is as old as any political debate. The reason why we have a massive reliance on fossil fuels can be linked to power structures and over a century of F*ckery for the centralization of it.

Free energy means freedom in every possible way you can imagine. Energy centralization is necessary for any type of top down control. But that's just a briefer on why we're in this position today.

Now onto the climate change talk: the reality is that fossil fuels are nasty and ultimately not as energy dense as the energy released from nuclear and electrochemical reactions. Is the world going to end if we don't fully transition by 2030 or 2035 or whenever the WEF promises us the bug eating pod lifestyle? No.

Look at the pattern: climate crisis has been promised in the next decade, for half a century now. Fear is a powerful tool for control - and what better than the fear of something you have 0 control over? The climate. Drought and hurricanes. Even the ancients used droughts to instill crazy ideas like mass sacrifices. Because people are scared of it, and nobody knows it's patterns.

Chaos theory actually emerged from meteorology: any simulation of multivariate problems leads to paradoxical outcomes in that any one tiny change in any of the variables produces wildly different outcomes. This is the nature of partial differential equations - every variable depends on one another. This is why I look at the climate change scientists' projections 100 years into the future and laugh at their doomsday porn. I mean, look at the weather predictions: they can't even predict what happens TODAY, and you buy their fear of what happens 100 years from now?

The idea is to transition from the dirty and inefficient idea of burning an energy dense Fossil fuel and using the heat to produce energy. Keyword transition.

So, all the people that aspire for a more efficient and brighter future (myself included) go ahead and come up with creative solutions. But while you're at it, let's not cut the energy literally fueling your life AND your research for alternative sources. The world will not end in 10 years, so take as long as you need to crack the problem. Let's use all of our resources to get there, and not cripple ourselves back to the stone age while we try to come up with better answers.

We're on the path of innovation - energy sourcing and transmission is in THIS current stage of its evolution. It will change and we will find better answers to the mysteries of this universe. In the meantime, please do not shut the lights in my laboratory, cut access to the heat that keeps my family safe or cripple industries that provide all of the goods and services that allow for my quality of life and the quest for a more prosperous future.

 

[Fox]

It is looking like Europe is about to get wrecked on power prices...







If these are the new rates, then this is about to wipe small businesses hard.

I asked a friend who has been a risk manager and trader in power for years...



Looks like a perfect storm.

What are your guys takes - anyone on here with pro insight into what is likely to happen?

 

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[MJ DeMarco]

Some scary stuff in the pipeline...

And damn, that's a lot of coffee to sell to just pay that bill.

Hope things turn around fast, because it simply isn't sustainable.

 

[eramart]

I know about an entrepreneur who grows sturgeons in Spain.

He began preparing for an energy crisis several years ago - got two used hydroelectric generators and refurbished them, covered a lot of flat surfaces with solar panels, built local sewage plant, got all the necessary paperwork.

Nowadays, he sells power to Spain, instead of buying it.

 

[Bekit]

It is looking like Europe is about to get wrecked on power prices...

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If these are the new rates, then this is about to wipe small businesses hard.

I asked a friend who has been a risk manager and trader in power for years...

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Looks like a perfect storm.

What are your guys takes - anyone on here with pro insight into what is likely to happen?

Just back-of-the-napkin math...

Let's say the it's a small coffee shop. Let's say they see an average of one customer every 5 minutes all day for 8 hours. I'm not sure if this is realistic or not - I've never run a coffee shop - but hypothetically, let's imagine these are the numbers for a coffee shop in a small community.

Let's say the average order is $5.

If their electric bill is $12,000 per year, that works out to about $0.35 of each order that goes to the power bill. Seems doable.

But if their electric bill jumps to $64,000 per year, that works out to about $1.90 of each order that goes to the power bill.

Therefore, to keep up, the coffee shop would have to raise the price of items by $1.55, so that $5 order jumps to $6.55.

But let's say they round that $1.55 up to $2 so that they can keep up with the overall increases in everything.

Suddenly, that regular coffee shop customer sees their normal order go from $5 to $7.

So they cut back on how frequently they stop.

It's easy to see how the coffee shop owner would feel like it's a game they can't win.

 

[Andreas Thiel]

If Germany (and the UK) has no heat in homes, won't the water pipes burst?

I am sure Canada gets colder than Germany, so it may not be apples to apples. If the heat goes out here you have to move very fast to get it back up again or your pipes will all freeze and burst. Is that not a worry?

How are the everyday citizens reactinf to this this far? Do any realize that this is a 100% man made emergency?

I should reach out to the Germans in Mexico who left a few years ago to avoid this very situation to see what they think. If I recall correctly, their families all thought they were insane.

At least it is common knowledge that, in general, one should always leave the heating on at least "defrost" settings rather than switching it off completely when leaving the flat unsupervised in winter, so it must be a concern.

I heard that there will be quite a few things that need to be done in many households. There were articles that said there won't be enough qualified workers to do all that necessary work. That made it on my father's radar. I personally hear mostly from people who have enough money that they recently bought their new houses and installed solar panels etc, so I don't know enough stories to have an accurate picture.

And yes, there are quite a few people who get what is going on. The media pegs all people who complain as right wing extremists who support Russia and kill kittens for fun. From what I have seen, everybody who has a brain opposes what the politicians decide. People here just don't know what they are supposed to do about it. Recently I head from a former schoolmate who said the only way out of the mess is beheading all politicians. That sentiment is definitely on the rise. But pretty much everybody grew up learning that you can trust the media.

It is a slow and gradual awakening for many and people simply have not learned how to "resist", because it was never necessary. In my youth I learned that only in a totalitarian system opposition is not allowed.
Now democracy is pretty much dead. We are told what we are supposed to think. The only promising pivot would be telling the USA to go f itself (themselves?), which is just not an option. The whole media landscape is made up of pro USA journalists. All the people in power are paid by US institutions.
Former chancellor Gerhard Schröder keeps bringing up Nord Stream 2 and except for the death penalty it feels like any punishment is on the table.

 

[GPM]

Don't worry, Canada said they will help out with windmills and green tech. Meanwhile we sit on more oil and gas than we possibly know what to do with....

I met a few German families who fled to mexico while I was down there. They were engineers and saw the writing on the wall and did not want their families to freeze to death once it all hit the fan. Looks like they were right, and they got out at a great time.

Yup, well off, educated Germans fleeing the homeland for Mexico. You can't make this stuff up.

"The West" is hell bent on Woking itself to death, quite literally.

 

[RicardoGrande]

It is a decade-long slow car crash of terrible policies mixed in with the last two years.
...
It is hard to believe a country would every purposely cripple itself with power but there you go.

Didn't the World economic forum push this same ESG bs in sri lanka back in the 10s and now for the past year sri lanka has been starving and without fuel and in constant political turmoil and unrest?
The dutch government signed onto some similar guidelines, arbitrarily decided to reduce nitrogen by shutting down farms which ended up in those dutch farmer riots.

Crazy how a few lobbyists trying to make some extra $$$ can cause so much damage.

 

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[MJ DeMarco]

I just got a notification : electricity will be 54 €cent per KWH in Oktober.
It was about 30 last summer.

80% inflationary increase in reality, but don't worry, your government says its 9%.

 

[heavy_industry]

I'm not sure anyone on the thread could coherently argue that climate change isn't real. Just walk outside your house and observe the weather and the environment for the last year.

Climate change is real, just like covid was real.

But the solutions proposed by the green activists are like the restrictions imposed during covid:

Pseudo-scientific garbage that doesn't work at all in solving or even mitigating the problem, and its sole purpose is to change the power dynamic of society and transfer money from the stupid and scared population to a small group of smart and psychopathic people.

 

[Happyheart]

I am appalled to see how many people in an entrepreneurship forum see "greenization" as a "hippie policy".

This is the exact SCRIPTED avoidance towards change.

It is our job to find green solutions to energy problems. Just like Elon Musk is trying to do (or sell).

Just because something is not pragmatical or convenient, does not mean it is true.

Climate change is real. Burning fossil fuels is really unsustainable (whether it is convenient to burn them or not)

So yes, shutting down fossil fuel plants was correct.

What was done to replace that gap was wrong in majority.

Our only carbon neutral alternatives are nuclear, hydro, wind, solar and geothermics.

Hydro is already utilized worldwide on a broad scale.

The only rapidly scalable of these is nuclear.

Most countries (including Germany) closed down most of these after the events of Fukushima.

Yet, Germany is able to build cutting-edge technology reactors with the ability to cool passively. (when you leave it on its own, the core cools down itself, eliminating the risk of a meltdown)

We have breeder reactors. (reactors that do not create waste, but uses the waste to make new fuel)

We could've easily sustained our energy needs with nuclear, and led the world to these new technologies. (just like we did with fossil burning technologies like internal combustion engine.

Instead of this, we have shut down all, made ourselves completely dependent on unscalable alternatives like wind and solar, and in the mean time to gas from Russia.

The result was that Germany has exported the nuclear power production to neighboring countries, who are tolerant of nuclear plants. (especially France) We are importing it now.

But try telling this to the average consumer. In Germany, we have 7-8 million people, who are illiterate. Yes, in Germany. In 2022.

There are tens of such problems, like the expansionist monetary policies, widening of EU etc. where a socialist hippie Jürgen/Sandra does not understand the global dynamics and tries to save the F*cking world with his/her limited brain capacity without finishing a degree even.

Germany is a very decadent group of socialist, entitled hippies, that have no understanding of the world in general whatsoever.

The problem in Germany is that it is too democratic. There is too little elitism.

Technocrats have too little authority.

And maybe in the whole Western world as well.

And I think that the current problem of the world is that we are at the end of democratic nation states. This is what will bring an end to the world order set at the end of WW1. (not the second)

As a non-German living in Germany, your tendency to totalitarianism scares me and at the same time strikes me as typically German.
Although I feel you are right in your opinion that too little evidence based decisions are being made, technocrats are not the solution. I am a scientist and meet a great many fellow scientists who use their intelligence to believe dumb things because they are fashionable. This, even in their own fields.

 

[Ing]

The Covid desaster was a Desaster for young people.
I did very much with my now 22 year son. Cycling, climbing and so on.
This year he told me, how thankful he is , that I did so much with him, as he would have sit in the room alone all the time.
Yes, for th young people The lockdown was a desaster. I believe more, than if there hadn’t been lockdown.

 

[JordanK]

I was listening to the top economics/finance podcast in Ireland and they recommended this book. I'm about halfway through as I started reading it while on holidays. A crazy deep insightful view into how commodities really are traded and the people behind it all. It's one of Amazon's most popular books at the moment. Even the air hostess on my flight was telling me that she was reading it (lol). The book was released in March this year so it's mostly up to date on current events.

The World for Sale: Money, Power and the Traders Who Barter the Earth’s Resources: Amazon.co.uk: Blas, Javier, Farchy, Jack: 9781847942678: Books

 

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[c4n]

Now we will flatten the curve... sounds familiar?

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1567462388898594816

View: https://mobile.twitter.com/disclosetv/status/1567462388898594816

 

[originalMJT]

Now we will flatten the curve... sounds familiar?

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1567462388898594816

View: https://mobile.twitter.com/disclosetv/status/1567462388898594816

Glad I'm in the UK and not in the EU run by crazy nut jobs,

 

[Frank_95]

Don't worry, Canada said they will help out with windmills and green tech. Meanwhile we sit on more oil and gas than we possibly know what to do with....

I met a few German families who fled to mexico while I was down there. They were engineers and saw the writing on the wall and did not want their families to freeze to death once it all hit the fan. Looks like they were right, and they got out at a great time.

Yup, well off, educated Germans fleeing the homeland for Mexico. You can't make this stuff up.

"The West" is hell bent on Woking itself to death, quite literally.

Hello,

I´m from Germany and I can confirm that Food, Energy and Product Prices go heavy up in a scary short time laps (4 - 8 weeks). Nessesary things like toilet paper go up and a 100 Years old Toilett Paper Factoy goes brankrupt because they can`t afford their energy bill longer ...

Thanks Good that my family have a little farm and own forest

 

[Johnny boy]

I'm not sure anyone on the thread could coherently argue that climate change isn't real. Just walk outside your house and observe the weather and the environment for the last year.

You're about to be very energy efficient this winter bud lol

 

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[GPM]

This is a man made issue, and the government won't solve it. Any action they take will compound issues.

The real solution if anyone were to ask me, which they won't, would be to let the market decide. If there is natural gas and nuclear competing for your dollars, the most efficient and inexpensive will win out and people will have plenty of power based on companies providing a need at the best value.

If thoreum reactors or like gen 4 nuclear or freaking space based solar that beams the energy to earth comes along and provides more power for less price, then that technology will take over and the people will have even more power. The government telling everyone "what needs to be done" won't work, other than making things worse.

They shut down nuclear and gas because they are dirty. Now shit is so expensive and people are going to freeze, people are literally going to be cutting up wood and anything they can find to burn. Yup, that sounds like a better and greener solution! Thanks for coming out guys.

 

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[DavidePaco00]

It is looking like Europe is about to get wrecked on power prices...

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If these are the new rates, then this is about to wipe small businesses hard.

I asked a friend who has been a risk manager and trader in power for years...

View attachment 44941

Looks like a perfect storm.

What are your guys takes - anyone on here with pro insight into what is likely to happen?

Try to make Your current business as scalable as possibe right NOW.

Covid taught us that our beloved state can close Your activity in any moment if it wants.

Even in a cafe there could be things that are more scalable, allowing You to reduce costs while increasing sales.

Build a newsletter with Your clients and / or allow them to text you on whatsapp what they want to eat for that day. Build trust with your list and launch special offers every now and then.

You can do a crowdfunding campaign to launch a new project , You can also make Your cafe a place where writers can make a presentation of their books , for example.

Look at the businesses in Your local area and try to see what's missing there. The idea should always be to produce on demand , just in time, while digitalizing Your business more and more, in this way You can cut the costs and earn profit differently.

Cheers

Davide

 

[georgetod79]

I was listening to the top economics/finance podcast in Ireland and they recommended this book. I'm about halfway through as I started reading it while on holidays. A crazy deep insightful view into how commodities really are traded and the people behind it all. It's one of Amazon's most popular books at the moment. Even the air hostess on my flight was telling me that she was reading it (lol). The book was released in March this year so it's mostly up to date on current events.

The World for Sale: Money, Power and the Traders Who Barter the Earth’s Resources: Amazon.co.uk: Blas, Javier, Farchy, Jack: 9781847942678: Books

Another good one on the energy topic is Alex Epstein's Fossil Future: Why Global Human Flourishing Requires More Oil, Coal, and Natural Gas--Not Less. Released in May 2022.
Lots of statistics but also looking at the philosophical side - why do they want to shut down not only fossil fuel plants, but also nuclear, hydro, etc? Hint - CO2 is not the reason.
Funny to see quotes from many doomsmen about the upcoming end of the world ... 10, 20, or 30 years ago LOL
His first book is The Moral Case for Fossil Fuels, a great one too.

 

[GPM]

From the few people I've talked to, they're blaming big bad energy companies. New UK PM is wanting to cap what energy companies can charge.

What happens when energy costs more to deliver than the power company can charge... ?

Sounds like a government solution to a government problem. I am sure nothing would ever backfire by doing that!

That is a good way to have companies walk away from assets, have the government nationalize them, and blame the whole thing on greedy capitalists. Nothing bad could ever come from that!

 

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[heavy_industry]

France woke up and realized that freezing to death may not be the best strategy for this winter.

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d7BlzKHfxPk&ab_channel=FRANCE24English

 

[theag]

I live in Germany and stopped believing in some big crash as the catalyst to turn things around. Nothing serious will happen. There will be some bail/handouts to pay the higher prices, taxes going up even more to finance it and then just business as usual.

 

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[Mikkel]

In the UK we are being told they will cap Gas/Electric at £2400 a year for the next two years, lets hope it works out as next month its time to fire up the heating in the UK (October until March)

What could go wrong? Nothing bad has ever happened with capping prices...

 

[GPM]

In the UK we are being told they will cap Gas/Electric at £2400 a year for the next two years, lets hope it works out as next month its time to fire up the heating in the UK (October until March)

Can I send some of my crypto miners that way? I would love to have some energy price caps on those things!

 

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[MitchC]

I am appalled to see how many people in an entrepreneurship forum see "greenization" as a "hippie policy".

This is the exact SCRIPTED avoidance towards change.

It is our job to find green solutions to energy problems. Just like Elon Musk is trying to do (or sell).

Just because something is not pragmatical or convenient, does not mean it is true.

Climate change is real. Burning fossil fuels is really unsustainable (whether it is convenient to burn them or not)

So yes, shutting down fossil fuel plants was correct.

What was done to replace that gap was wrong in majority.

Our only carbon neutral alternatives are nuclear, hydro, wind, solar and geothermics.

Hydro is already utilized worldwide on a broad scale.

The only rapidly scalable of these is nuclear.

Most countries (including Germany) closed down most of these after the events of Fukushima.

Yet, Germany is able to build cutting-edge technology reactors with the ability to cool passively. (when you leave it on its own, the core cools down itself, eliminating the risk of a meltdown)

We have breeder reactors. (reactors that do not create waste, but uses the waste to make new fuel)

We could've easily sustained our energy needs with nuclear, and led the world to these new technologies. (just like we did with fossil burning technologies like internal combustion engine.

Instead of this, we have shut down all, made ourselves completely dependent on unscalable alternatives like wind and solar, and in the mean time to gas from Russia.

The result was that Germany has exported the nuclear power production to neighboring countries, who are tolerant of nuclear plants. (especially France) We are importing it now.

But try telling this to the average consumer. In Germany, we have 7-8 million people, who are illiterate. Yes, in Germany. In 2022.

There are tens of such problems, like the expansionist monetary policies, widening of EU etc. where a socialist hippie Jürgen/Sandra does not understand the global dynamics and tries to save the F*cking world with his/her limited brain capacity without finishing a degree even.

Germany is a very decadent group of socialist, entitled hippies, that have no understanding of the world in general whatsoever.

The problem in Germany is that it is too democratic. There is too little elitism.

Technocrats have too little authority.

And maybe in the whole Western world as well.

And I think that the current problem of the world is that we are at the end of democratic nation states. This is what will bring an end to the world order set at the end of WW1. (not the second)

Believing in climate change and green policy is scripted.

The WEF or whatever you want to call them clowns have been using climate alarmism forever to try and introduce their totalitarian agenda.

Here’s my contribution to what’s already a very political thread.

View: https://youtu.be/FfJv9QYrlwg


People should be more worried about Europe running out of food because that’s what’s going to happen next because of these “green” policies.