Will you take the COVID19 vaccine?

[sparechange]

I've been sick a couple times this year, at a 3% death rate, I'll take my chances

I don't smoke or drink, live a semi healthy lifestyle......gonna take my chances on this one

More worried about the bears around my house (which I see crawling around at night) even then I think dying in a bear attack is fairly slim....probably more likely to be killed by a drunk driver or getting swallowed by an orca while out in my mini yacht.

 

[Mattie]

I probably not. I am not anti vaccine, but I don't see the point to take a product that they rush it to launch for a disease that doesn't affect young healthy people.

That is my feeling. The more rushed they are to give you a vaccine that hasn't been studied thoroughly is kind of where you get concerned about side effect. There's already people against vaccines prior. You screw this up, people really will be against vaccines.

 

[VTK]

Im pretty pissed, my local grocery store just made masks mandatory to enter the store.

I don't care if I get sick, (been sick twice this year) Which leads me to wonder, how long will this little Chinese flu mask rule stay? 3 months? 1 year? Indefinitely?

The point of masks is to help prevent people who get infected from spreading it to others. All for one and one for all kinda thing.

 

[loop101]

They are rushing a COVID19 vaccine...making a rapid distribution plan...not clear if it will be mandatory or not.

If you've ever read about the terrible birth-defects caused by the "wonder drug" Thalidomide during the 1950s, you might be more than skeptical about any new drugs safety. It rarely caused birth-defects, so they didn't show up until it was rolled out world-wide. Now there are thousands of people with flippers for arms, and they are the lucky ones.

I'm willing to wear a mask indefinitely, or at least until it has been tested for a few years.

 

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[TonyStark]

I doubt it’ll be mandatory, when has a vaccine ever been mandatory (curious)?

Trials seem to be promising so far, if even a fraction of the population took it, it could slow down the spread immensely.

I won’t be the first to take it, but I’ll wait a little bit before I do. I don’t want to get COVID again

 

[Raoul Duke]

masks may be a more effective protection against coronavirus than any potential vaccine.

DUH

 

[daniel_m]

No way it's mandatory in the USA. Likely to be mandatory in a socialist country like Australia or Sweden.

 

[Kasimir]

Maybe USA, inc. plans to cash flow the national debt by selling vaccines or rights to use the vaccine to other countries?

I always thought the rush was only due to the election in November but that's a good point.
But if it's public that they rushed the vaccine to cash flow the national debt the US has some serious problems.

 

[Guest1413tpa]

Yeah, could be possible. But is it possible to have a result of the test that quickly?
I think some countries will ban travel from regions with high case numbers when you don't take the vaccine. Or you have to self-quarantine for 14 days.

Yes. The deep swab test is 97% accurate, and has results in 15 minutes.

 

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[AFMKelvin]

I hate to break it to you, but Australia has more economic freedoms than America, and this is proven.

Australia definitely has its issues but comparing it to the United States in the manner you have is just misleading.

Lol Australian can't even own guns and they don't have free speech. Some lady got arrested for posting something on facebook.

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S4Tp9oRw5aw


I'm so glad this website is one of the few that still allows open discussions without censoring. A website like this wouldn't be allowed in Australia.

Yes. The deep swab test is 97% accurate, and has results in 15 minutes.

Lol thinking the swab is accurate

https://www.fox13now.com/news/coron...ceives-letter-saying-she-is-C0VlD-19-positive

Also last time a vaccine was enforced in the USA it ended up killing many people. They're still been sued for it.

The Long Shadow of the 1976 Swine Flu Vaccine 'Fiasco'

Some, but not all, of the hesitance to embrace vaccines can be traced back to this event more than 40 years ago

www.smithsonianmag.com

 

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[daniel_m]

OK I'm not the happiest when I wake up that was unfair. Sorry.

So what you are referring to with 1-hour activity is only happening in one state within Australia.

This isn't happening in the entire country, and the leader in the state is going to be overthrown. Many people are not happy and they are getting sued as we speak.

I don't know where you heard all of that in regards to shopping malls and vaccination. But again that's only happening in one state.

What you posted is one beorocrats opinion in regards to forced vaccination.

Australians can purchase guns contrary to popular belief they just are not as easy to buy as they are in America, you just need to get a gun licence. The laws around that are to prevent weapons from getting in the wrong hands.

Economic Freedom Index:

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Explore the Index of Economic Freedom to gauge global impacts of liberty and free markets. Discover the powerful link between economic freedom and progress. The 30th edition, once again, illustrates key factors shaping our world's landscape. From @Heritage

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You can see above what are the freest countries.

Im not going to get into a debate about which countries the greatest.

You can leave the country right now, but it isn't easy to do so.

Our freedoms are trying to get taken away yes, but that's not really any different from the rest of the world right now.

It says on the Australian Gov website that permanent residents and citizens can't leave the country unless they have an exemption (urgent medical treatment, provision of aid, urgent & unavoidable business, etc.) Yes it is true that every country is imposing some sort of restrictions at this time, but I've never seen a major 1st world country restrict their own people from leaving like this, and for such a long period of time.

Even Canada didn't dare go this far. And usually Canada is at the top of the list when it comes to this kind of behaviour.

 

[DiamondDog]

I'll let other people be guinea pigs for me and I'll take it when I'm sure it's safe and effective.

 

[Jon L]

Blocked for being wrong on every single point.

What I love about this forum is I can hit ignore, and it's like the forum is full of smart people.

Goodbye forever.

haha ... I've done the same thing. There are just a handful of people that I've blocked, but that feature is oh so glorious.

 

[TonyStark]

Yes, I will, provided I read the studies showing its effectiveness and safety first. They're testing the stuff on 30,000 people prior to final approval. That's enough of a sample for me to be satisfied that they've found most of the likely issues with the thing.

I run my life based on probabilities for stuff like this. if something is less than 1:10,000 chance, I deliberately decide not to worry about it. I especially decide not to worry about 1:1,000,000 chance things, the kind of thing that grips news reporters, sending them into hysteria. (Accidental shootings: 1:1,000,000; kids getting kidnapped by a stranger: 1:1,000,000, etc.)

If there is 1:30,000 chace I might have a bad reaction to the vaccine, I judge that as a better risk than a 1:500 chance of death if I get the disease at my age, and will get the vaccine. Death is a far worse consequence than the likely side effects of the vaccine. Beyond the risk of death, there are the longer term effects of the disease itself. I know someone my age (mid 40s) that will likely have permanent health consequences from the thing. This ain't no standard flu. The risk of serious longer term consequences is a few percent. That's big enough for me to sit up and take notice.

This is the best response so far.

 

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[Martin.G]

I probably not. I am not anti vaccine, but I don't see the point to take a product that they rush it to launch for a disease that doesn't affect young healthy people.

 

[Matt Sun]

Except tobacco use won’t kill you in the span of a few weeks.

Why are you like this?

So is not about saving lives but rather diying slow instead of fast?

And i didn't mentioned 94% deaths with 2+ comorbidities. Financial ($) incentives to name deaths with Covid19 label. The creator of the PCR test saying it can't be used to diagnose a person of being sick. ETC... Covid 19 movie is boring and with lots of holes in the plot.

 

[Here]

It sounds like they’ll be rolling it out to seniors first, then younger adults, and kids won’t get it for awhile. I hope that hasn’t changed? I’m not worried about myself but there’s no way I’m letting them inject a brand new vaccine into my kids.

 

[GoodluckChuck]

If I was offered a covid vaccine right now I wouldn't take it. I took a flu vaccine one time and got the worst flu of my life the next day. Not a very good experience.

If they came out with one and made it mandatory, then I really wouldn't take it. I don't want to be told that I have to inject something into my body.

If it somehow comes down to a choice between taking a vaccine and feeding my family, it's a decision I would have to make at the time.

According to the CDC website only 6% of Covid deaths are from covid alone. The rest have an average of 2.5 other causes of death. With 10k deaths in the US from covid alone in 6+ months, I would say a vaccine might not be as necessary as the news seems to be pushing. A mandatory vaccine seems outside of the realm of reason.

 

[Matt Sun]

Us Gov updated Coronavirus mortality by age:

Infection Fatality Ratio†	0-19 years: 0.00002 20-49 years: 0.00007 50-69 years: 0.0025 70+ years: 0.028

We need a vaccine for this ? Seriously ?

Healthcare Workers

C0VlD-19 guidance, tools, and resources for healthcare workers.

www.cdc.gov

 

[Joseph1986]

No, I won't. I kinda stopped believing in them a long time ago

 

[socaldude]

unless you're one of those nut jobs that thinks Bill Gates is out to nanochip us with 5G, because we're so important.

Microsoft is one of the primary backers of the ID2020 project.

ID2020 | Digital Identity Alliance

 

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[Kasimir]

If it allows me to travel internationally without with restriction/testing on arrival, then yes.

Great point. Didn't think about that. That could potentially come, especially when you travel out of the US.

 

[OverByte]

I'm pretty shocked the propaganda messages are published on that site, which appears to be run by the NIH?

 

[Timmy C]

Australians literally can't even leave their country right now and are only allowed 1HR of outdoor activity per day for exercise, from what I'm hearing. And it sounds like Australians' other freedoms like entering shopping malls and restaurants will be restricted if they refuse vaccination -

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1296060336546643970

View: https://twitter.com/ezralevant/status/1296060336546643970?s=20
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Meanwhile Americans can legally purchase and own multiple assault rifles just for fun, and go about their business as they please. I don't think there is any comparison at all to be made.

OK I'm not the happiest when I wake up that was unfair. Sorry.

So what you are referring to with 1-hour activity is only happening in one state within Australia.

This isn't happening in the entire country, and the leader in the state is going to be overthrown. Many people are not happy and they are getting sued as we speak.

I don't know where you heard all of that in regards to shopping malls and vaccination. But again that's only happening in one state.

What you posted is one beorocrats opinion in regards to forced vaccination.

Australians can purchase guns contrary to popular belief they just are not as easy to buy as they are in America, you just need to get a gun licence. The laws around that are to prevent weapons from getting in the wrong hands.

Economic Freedom Index:

Index of Economic Freedom | The Heritage Foundation

Explore the Index of Economic Freedom to gauge global impacts of liberty and free markets. Discover the powerful link between economic freedom and progress. The 30th edition, once again, illustrates key factors shaping our world's landscape. From @Heritage

www.heritage.org

You can see above what are the freest countries.

Im not going to get into a debate about which countries the greatest.

You can leave the country right now, but it isn't easy to do so.

Our freedoms are trying to get taken away yes, but that's not really any different from the rest of the world right now.

 

[PizzaOnTheRoof]

Absolutely not. Rushing a vaccine to market without proper testing is a recipe for disaster.

Too bad, I will be labeled a conspiracy nutjob and an anti-vaxxer for it!

lol. Aus and Sweden are not socialist.


I won't be taking the rushed vaccine.

I'd never take a rushed vaccine.
But eventually, I think I'll take it too. Here in Switzerland, they don't rush it as much as in the US and have (to my knowledge) stricter rules than the US.

Its not rushed. It goes through the same strict FDA approval process as every other drug. The only thing different is that Trump has cut all the red tape BS out that delays things.

Operation Warp Speed - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

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[VTK]

I think the only sensible answer is to look at the science behind the vaccine, the scientific discussion around it and see if the vaccines that come out are properly tested for safety. It is incredibly scary how many people have already decided that they outright won't take the vaccine, because it means they're not willing to examine the theory or evidence in detail before making their decision.

 

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[MHP368]

Yes , I had COVID once and got away with a moderate cold. Dont want to gamble on a second bout. All my joints hurt and even though I had no respiratory symptoms I'm slightly shirt of breathe.

But , I took basic biology so i'm in a better place to read the studies and weigh / consider the vaccine.

I'm pretty excited about the technology of the Mrna vaccine. So its the messenger rna that codes for the spike protein in the virus (youve all seen pictures)

Then they wrap rhat in a psospholipid bilayer (oil , like the kind thats already in your bloodstream , hdl and ldl ring a bell?)

So , can't for the life of me see the negative. If its even mildly effective or useful for 3 months at a time thats a miracle.

Hopefully my gorked joints and apparently injured lung tissue repair in short order.

Also troubling to hear about cognitive effects in so many , even the asymptomatic.

 

[MA81]

The opinions expressed on this thread frustrate me. I respect all of you, but I don't think you're looking at this correctly. I'm going to say my peace, and let it stand as-is. I won't respond to comments. (I'm afraid if I do this will devolve into bad blood, which I don't want)

Also, I'm a little snarky in what I wrote below, so ... be prepared for that. I'm not trying to offend. I'm trying to get your attention and get you to think about things from a different perspective.

The attitudes that are anti-vaccine here seem to be: "A controlling big government is evil" "This thing was rushed, therefore its bad" "I have my freedom and am going to exercise it" "This virus isn't a big deal"

Let's take each one:

"A controlling big government is evil"

I agree. However, so what. A broken clock is right twice a day. If wearing masks is a good thing, its a good thing even if daddy makes you.


"This thing was rushed, therefore its bad"
No, it wasn't. Companies have been working on getting faster at vaccines for years. There is a TON of technology being brought to bear on this that has been in the works for a long time. Beyond that, the actual vaccines that are in development were actually developed many months ago. They have been in testing since then. Testing with actual human subjects: 30,000 of them per vaccine. I challenge you to read the studies when they're published. If they find that people die or sprout a third arm during the study, they'll say so. (And the FDA won't let the vaccine go into production). The kinds of side effects you can expect from a vaccine that passes a test with 30,000 people are minimal.

"But what about side effects that aren't caught during this test?" That means that there is a less than 1:30,000 chance you'll experience the side effect. You have about the same odds of dying in a car accident this year. I'm assuming you still drive...

"How do I know they're being truthful in reporting the correct statistics?" These things are public record. People will be looking for problems like this. Imagine being a reporter that finds the coverup? It would make your career. People are highly incentivised to dig into the details.


"I have my freedom and am going to exercise it"
Ok, but its still a bad decision. This virus isn't kind to a certain set of people. Read the studies of people who have long term side effects from this thing. They aren't fun. "But the death rate is 1/10th what they are saying." We all know that. Even at 10%, this thing isn't fun, and for elderly people, this thing is really not fun. Check out the statistics on polio. They're not too dissimilar to the statistics from covid. Pinkbook | Polio | Epidemiology of Vaccine Preventable Diseases | CDC



"This virus isn't a big deal"
Is it ebola? No, its not. But, its considerably worse than the flu for a significant number of people. If you didn't check out the link that talks about polio, go check it out. Very few people that caught the polio virus experienced the devastating effects of it. Most, something like 75% were asymptomatic. But, for a small percentage, it was quite terrible. Just like C0VlD-19.



"But I'm young and not likely to die."
So why not take the vaccine and help someone older not die.


"Aren't you just parroting media hysteria?"
I loathe the media. They disgust me. Truly. Reporters in general are vile, self-serving hypocrites. I've personally seen them take an event and twist what happened to the point that it was barely recognizable. And, this was on something innocuous. Imagine what they do to things that actually matter.

Science, however, is a different story. I'm not talking the science of the media with its grand, god-like pronouncements. I'm talking the messy, "here's my data, show me where I'm wrong" kind of science that admits when it doesn't know something, and tries to prove itself wrong. Science is honing in on this virus. There are now a lot of studies that have been published, and the picture it paints is of a virus that is not kind to millions of people.


Beyond all this, you're not going to change the overall public sentiment that causes the governments of the world to shut things down. We need herd immunity if only to make things go back to normal. Take the vaccine and help us end the economic devastation this thing has produced.

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JHoxsSK_DXo

 

[Ing]

My neighbor got a vaccine for uterine canzer some years ago.
The result of this quite common vaccine was an infection, which got to the brain and destroyed a part of the cerebellum.
Now, about 10 years after that, she learned to walk again and can have a quite normal life.

btw, its allready recogniced as a vaccine dammage after 100000s in lawyer costs and she gets indemnified financially.

So NO, that vaccine has to be tested over years and the need for it has to be more than the danger of a hard flu to make me vetting it.

 

[Kevin88660]

Where did you get that from???

From taxi drivers and internet stories that vaccines could lead to paralysis, infertility and many other issues.

There is a saying that “there is no tide without a wind.” Certainly there are people who like to exaggerate things and spread rumors...but do no expect me to believe that the opposite is true-Vaccines are as safe as prescription drugs in term of risk reward. When I take a Panadol at least I am using it deal with an existing symptom. To take a vaccine (risk) to deal with a virus (that I might get) it has to be ten times safer than Panadol to generate the same risk-reward ratio. Wearing a mask and practicing safety distancing sounds much more common sense to me.

 

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