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I am currently living in Germany doing my bachelors. I am thinking about emigrating after I finished my masters, or perhaps even doing my master abroad.
I am interested in a country that is more open-minded in the technological field. Here in Germany many people and companies avoiding risk, work slowly to avoid any mistakes and just doesn't like change. Sadly I am the complete opposite. I like change, love to work fast and fail and try again. There are some other points like taxes, but hat is only a minor point.
The current politics here has shown me that while it may worked a few decades ago, no one is willing to change it so that it will work today. I have read a very good description of our current politics: "Keep it up"

Some additional points which are not that important but I still consider:

- I don't very gold climate. I am allergic so something without a lot of allergens would be great

- I would love a place with a lot of travel varieties. I like hiking and skiing a lot but sailing and gliding as well

What countries would you recommend? They should embrace new technologies more openly.

I was thinking about the US, more specific California. Nevertheless, there are its downsides compared to Germany especially in terms of healthcare and food quality(corn syrup). I was thinking about the Nordic countries as well but to be honest I don't like the cold weather there.
 

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California is quickly becoming one of the worst places to live.

Asian and Middle-Eastern startup hubs are probably your best bets for embracing new technology.

Shenzhen in China (if you don't mind the government). Singapore. Seoul. Dubai. Tel Aviv. Except for Seoul, all have relatively friendly climates but not sure about allergens (for that you'd probably need to live in an arid climate). If you want varied sports activities as well, you'll need to decide what you want more.

In Europe, Estonia and Finland (but they won't work climate-wise).

Check this thread out:

Remember that it's not so easy as just packing your stuff and going to the US. Pandemic aside, you need to get the right work permit to move there and it may not happen anytime soon.
 

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California is quickly becoming one of the worst places to live.

Asian and Middle-Eastern startup hubs are probably your best bets for embracing new technology.

Shenzhen in China (if you don't mind the government). Singapore. Seoul. Dubai. Tel Aviv. Except for Seoul, all have relatively friendly climates but not sure about allergens (for that you'd probably need to live in an arid climate). If you want varied sports activities as well, you'll need to decide what you want more.

In Europe, Estonia and Finland (but they won't work climate-wise).

Check this thread out:

Remember that it's not so easy as just packing your stuff and going to the US. Pandemic aside, you need to get the right work permit to move there and it may not happen anytime soon.
Well. I doesn't want to go now. I, either wanted to finish my master or doctor there and then work for 2 years(which you can with a US degree right?). And if I like it, and already worked there to impress the company I have a better chance to get a visa sponsored.

I heard this about California but never the causes for it?

While I like the idea of Singapore, no real forest, mountains or similar is kind of a no-go for me.

China and Dubai are kind of a no-go in terms of government for me
 

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When you have a big company (as I imagine your experiences in Germany are pointing towards)

Large company
A quick change/improvement
upside: save $10,000 dollars
Downside: lose $50,000 dollars if it flops

Small company/startup
upside: make new product, get paid $10,000
downside: go out of business
 

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While what you are describing could be a German thing, surely there are some rulebreakers? Could it be the area of Germany that you are living in? I find it hard to believe that there are no fast paced startups in your country with the type of culture you are looking for. I lived there for a little under a year and while I can see this being the case for a city like Frankfurt, which is old and a banking/financial hub, I feel like cities like Hamburg or Kassel might have the type of scene you are looking for.

Here in the US, I'd recommend my area, Boston/Cambridge. Plenty of physical activities like hiking/skiing that you mentioned along with the summer stuff. As far as food quality goes, that is 100% on you pretty much wherever you go - there are enough options everywhere that you can eat like an enlightened vegan bodybuilder who avoids sugar if that's what you want to do.
 

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While what you are describing could be a German thing, surely there are some rulebreakers? Could it be the area of Germany that you are living in? I find it hard to believe that there are no fast paced startups in your country with the type of culture you are looking for. I lived there for a little under a year and while I can see this being the case for a city like Frankfurt, which is old and a banking/financial hub, I feel like cities like Hamburg or Kassel might have the type of scene you are looking for.

Here in the US, I'd recommend my area, Boston/Cambridge. Plenty of physical activities like hiking/skiing that you mentioned along with the summer stuff. As far as food quality goes, that is 100% on you pretty much wherever you go - there are enough options everywhere that you can eat like an enlightened vegan bodybuilder who avoids sugar if that's what you want to do.
I have heard Munich and in particular TU Munich is very good, that's why I am currently applying for a master there
 

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I am interested in a country that is more open-minded in the technological field. Here in Germany many people and companies avoiding risk, work slowly to avoid any mistakes and just doesn't like change. Sadly I am the complete opposite. I like change, love to work fast and fail and try again.

While I like the idea of Singapore, no real forest, mountains or similar is kind of a no-go for me.

:rofl: @Xeon is a Singaporean. Is that true Singapore has no real forest?

Then consider its neighbour, Malaysia. My country have real forests, and mountains in each of its 13 states. Except that our climate is equatorial. So you can't go skiing.

I currently live at the East Coast of Peninsular Malaysia. About 5-6 hours from the capital, Kuala Lumpur. The state that I live in, is considered rural, undeveloped and famous for its conservative religious practices. But if the seas and beaches are your soul, you'll enjoy it. In terms of technological openness, the whole citizens of Malaysia knows that the country is left behind its neighbour, Singapore. :rofl:

I don't think your problem is technology. It's the work culture. In the state that I live in, employees clock in earlier to go for breakfast, instead of working on their desks. I was one of them. :playful: And it's natural for business owners to avoid unnecessary risk. I'm talking about the likes of McDonald brothers in the movie The Founder.
 

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Austin or Israel is your best bet.

As somebody who works in the techspace, where I used to see startups all being from CA, increasingly I'm seeing Austin being brought up again and again.
 

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Hi

I am currently living in Germany doing my bachelors. I am thinking about emigrating after I finished my masters, or perhaps even doing my master abroad.
I am interested in a country that is more open-minded in the technological field. Here in Germany many people and companies avoiding risk, work slowly to avoid any mistakes and just doesn't like change. Sadly I am the complete opposite. I like change, love to work fast and fail and try again. There are some other points like taxes, but hat is only a minor point.
The current politics here has shown me that while it may worked a few decades ago, no one is willing to change it so that it will work today. I have read a very good description of our current politics: "Keep it up"

Some additional points which are not that important but I still consider:

- I don't very gold climate. I am allergic so something without a lot of allergens would be great

- I would love a place with a lot of travel varieties. I like hiking and skiing a lot but sailing and gliding as well

What countries would you recommend? They should embrace new technologies more openly.

I was thinking about the US, more specific California. Nevertheless, there are its downsides compared to Germany especially in terms of healthcare and food quality(corn syrup). I was thinking about the Nordic countries as well but to be honest I don't like the cold weather there.
Come to Africa. Emerging markets, great people, great weather, fresh air, lions, and bucket loads of opportunities to solve massive challenges if you can figure your way around the petty hurdles.

First-world countries have too many rules, regulations and red tape. They tax you from 6 different angles, and walk around like zombies. Maybe you are allergic to zombies.

In Africa we are alive!
 

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Come to Africa. Emerging markets, great people, great weather, fresh air, lions, and bucket loads of opportunities to solve massive challenges if you can figure your way around the petty hurdles.

First-world countries have too many rules, regulations and red tape. They tax you from 6 different angles, and walk around like zombies. Maybe you are allergic to zombies.

In Africa we are alive!
Where in Africa do you live? I don’t know a lot about Africa but I always assumed that there are areas where living conditions and growing a business would be nearly impossible for a foreigner?

I could very well be wrong though. For example I grew rather fond of China, been there a couple of times and found that some areas would be amazing to live in, while others aren’t easy (governmental restrictions and controls and whatever people talk about).
 

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:rofl: @Xeon is a Singaporean. Is that true Singapore has no real forest?

Then consider its neighbour, Malaysia. My country have real forests, and mountains in each of its 13 states. Except that our climate is equatorial. So you can't go skiing.

I currently live at the East Coast of Peninsular Malaysia. About 5-6 hours from the capital, Kuala Lumpur. The state that I live in, is considered rural, undeveloped and famous for its conservative religious practices. But if the seas and beaches are your soul, you'll enjoy it. In terms of technological openness, the whole citizens of Malaysia knows that the country is left behind its neighbour, Singapore. :rofl:

I don't think your problem is technology. It's the work culture. In the state that I live in, employees clock in earlier to go for breakfast, instead of working on their desks. I was one of them. :playful: And it's natural for business owners to avoid unnecessary risk. I'm talking about the likes of McDonald brothers in the movie The Founder.

Yes, we've no real forests, barely any lol. The whole city state is a concrete jungle (office buildings, apartments, shopping malls).
 

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Where in Africa do you live? I don’t know a lot about Africa but I always assumed that there are areas where living conditions and growing a business would be nearly impossible for a foreigner?

I could very well be wrong though. For example I grew rather fond of China, been there a couple of times and found that some areas would be amazing to live in, while others aren’t easy (governmental restrictions and controls and whatever people talk about).
I am South African. Foreigners have been growing businesses in Africa for centuries. The living conditions for the poor is horrendous in every country in the world. The "foreigner" view of Africa is skewed and conditioned by mass media. Kenya, Malawi, Botswana, Uganda, Zambia, Tanzania, Rwanda, South Africa, Ghana and Nigeria are ranked as emerging markets in sub-Saharan Africa.
 

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Yes, we've no real forests, barely any lol. The whole city state is a concrete jungle (office buildings, apartments, shopping malls).

I'd say that the Central Catchment Nature Reserve is a pretty pleasant place much closer in experience to a "real" forest than a city park. Hiking there definitely felt more like being in nature than in most urban parks in major cities. But of course it's not a real wilderness area, that's for sure.

I am South African. Foreigners have been growing businesses in Africa for centuries. The living conditions for the poor is horrendous in every country in the world. The "foreigner" view of Africa is skewed and conditioned by mass media. Kenya, Malawi, Botswana, Uganda, Zambia, Tanzania, Rwanda, South Africa, Ghana and Nigeria are ranked as emerging markets in sub-Saharan Africa.

What about personal safety? One of the reasons why I'm yet to explore Africa is because of safety. I know that some countries are safer but they're probably still nowhere safe compared to Europe.

Well. I doesn't want to go now. I, either wanted to finish my master or doctor there and then work for 2 years(which you can with a US degree right?). And if I like it, and already worked there to impress the company I have a better chance to get a visa sponsored.

So when do you want to go? If in a few years, it doesn't make sense to think about it now.

I heard this about California but never the causes for it?

Socialism, woke culture, extreme taxation, dumb politicians, ridiculous cost of living, homelessness, drug addicts...

China and Dubai are kind of a no-go in terms of government for me

China I can understand. Dubai is pretty good for foreigners, though.
 

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Yes, we've no real forests, barely any lol. The whole city state is a concrete jungle (office buildings, apartments, shopping malls).
At least your waterways are super clean...even otters hop in and out as they please and no one bats an eye...

Here in Malaysia, the government tried to clean up Klang River into a wonder, but lots of shit happened like alleged corruption (unreported cash outflows), some boo-boos in reporting new sources of pollution for the river and sub-contractor issues:


Till today, that river still looks damn muddy.

But I guess Singapore really needs its waterways to be real clean...it plays a good part in your water catchment system.
 

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What about personal safety? One of the reasons why I'm yet to explore Africa is because of safety. I know that some countries are safer but they're probably still nowhere safe compared to Europe.
I am a Caucasian female born in Africa, and living in Africa my entire life. I have travelled all over South Africa solo, and have also travelled to Mozambique and Kenya. There are certain stupid things you just don't do in Africa, or any other country for that matter. Try to avoid the dodgy areas. I have been to London and Australia (they have their dodgy areas too). Do your research on which areas are recommended, and which modes of transport are suitable. Book a safari or holiday through a holiday / travel agent for your first trip. Once you see what it is really like in Africa, you can relax and return less paranoid for more visits.

You don't know what you are missing. There is nothing on earth like experiencing the beauty of African nature, and the warmth of African people.
 

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I'd say that the Central Catchment Nature Reserve is a pretty pleasant place much closer in experience to a "real" forest than a city park. Hiking there definitely felt more like being in nature than in most urban parks in major cities. But of course it's not a real wilderness area, that's for sure.

Just curious, did you lived in Singapore at some point previously? What's your nationality?
 

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Just curious, did you lived in Singapore at some point previously? What's your nationality?

Just passed through, never lived there.
 

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I am a Caucasian female born in Africa, and living in Africa my entire life. I have travelled all over South Africa solo, and have also travelled to Mozambique and Kenya. There are certain stupid things you just don't do in Africa, or any other country for that matter. Try to avoid the dodgy areas. I have been to London and Australia (they have their dodgy areas too). Do your research on which areas are recommended, and which modes of transport are suitable. Book a safari or holiday through a holiday / travel agent for your first trip. Once you see what it is really like in Africa, you can relax and return less paranoid for more visits.

You don't know what you are missing. There is nothing on earth like experiencing the beauty of African nature, and the warmth of African people.

Watching the TV series Black Sails has shown me how beautiful South Africa is, especially around Nassau.

How much do you wager one should be making per month to survive and thrive there? In your currency.
 

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Watching the TV series Black Sails has shown me how beautiful South Africa is, especially around Nassau.

How much do you wager one should be making per month to survive and thrive there? In your currency.
Minimum: 20 000 ZAR / month (that is about 1 500 USD)
Middle class: From 40 000 ZAR (3 000 USD)
Comfortable: From 80 000 ZAR (6 000 USD)
 

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I heard this about California but never the causes for it?

High taxation. Traffic congestion. Poor governance. Drought. Ever worsening fire seasons.

Austin or Israel is your best bet.

As somebody who works in the techspace, where I used to see startups all being from CA, increasingly I'm seeing Austin being brought up again and again.

I was going to mention Austin. Several southern US cities are following suit. And you can find skiing in North Carolina. Consider Charlotte.

Come to Africa. Emerging markets, great people, great weather, fresh air, lions, and bucket loads of opportunities to solve massive challenges if you can figure your way around the petty hurdles.

First-world countries have too many rules, regulations and red tape. They tax you from 6 different angles, and walk around like zombies. Maybe you are allergic to zombies.

In Africa we are alive!

I AM allergic to zombies! This is the best advertisement for anywhere ever. I want to see this in a commercial on YT.

Someone should invent a zombie allergy test. Solve a massive problem right there.

I think I want to go to Africa* where the people are alive. Africa > California.

I'm adding this to my list of places to see. Africa. All of it. Except the dodgey parts. I have to see Australia first though. They have kangaroos.

*The lions weren't a selling point... :rofl:
 

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I am currently living in Germany doing my bachelors. I am thinking about emigrating after I finished my masters, or perhaps even doing my master abroad.
I am interested in a country that is more open-minded in the technological field. Here in Germany many people and companies avoiding risk, work slowly to avoid any mistakes and just doesn't like change. Sadly I am the complete opposite. I like change, love to work fast and fail and try again. There are some other points like taxes, but hat is only a minor point.
The current politics here has shown me that while it may worked a few decades ago, no one is willing to change it so that it will work today. I have read a very good description of our current politics: "Keep it up"

Some additional points which are not that important but I still consider:

- I don't very gold climate. I am allergic so something without a lot of allergens would be great

- I would love a place with a lot of travel varieties. I like hiking and skiing a lot but sailing and gliding as well

What countries would you recommend? They should embrace new technologies more openly.

I was thinking about the US, more specific California. Nevertheless, there are its downsides compared to Germany especially in terms of healthcare and food quality(corn syrup). I was thinking about the Nordic countries as well but to be honest I don't like the cold weather there.
What about Spain with

Canary Island Digital Innovation Hub (CIDIHub)​

 

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Want to trade cities? :rofl:

Which part of the US are you from? If NYC, no. But anywhere that has countryside stuff, yes.
 

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Come to Africa. Emerging markets, great people, great weather, fresh air, lions, and bucket loads of opportunities to solve massive challenges if you can figure your way around the petty hurdles.

First-world countries have too many rules, regulations and red tape. They tax you from 6 different angles, and walk around like zombies. Maybe you are allergic to zombies.

In Africa we are alive!

You convinced me with the lions :playful:. Do you need a visa or something like that to live or work in countries like South Africa?. That's the problem with many good countries, like the USA, you have a lot of barriers before you are able to start working.

For example, the other day I read the story of someone from my country that get a Visa for investment (the cheap one). He had to open a company before they gave him a Visa, and if they denied it, he could have lost his investment.

Also, he is a software consultant, so he doesn't need a lot of space or hire people. But they made change the business plan because the lay is kind of old, and it was thought to other kind of company, more traditional.

And the end I get it, you don't want a lot of people using your taxes, but that rules also kill the progress. That are the good things about countries that are emerging, they can create something from zero, and better. Like Estonia, that it's practically a digital country in some things.
 

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I just thought: What about Luxembourg? I know its far more business friendly than Germany and pretty close to it as well as in the EU making trade pretty easy and I doesn't need any work permit.
Anyone living there who can tell me about how the country is ?
 

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