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You are a highly organized pocket of star dust.

Your entire conscious life exists on a ballistic potential gradient that you use to attempt to create complimentary local order from system wide chaos.

You can also use life to share pics of cats in boxes. cats-in-boxes-08.jpg
 

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Emerson was quoting from the Bible. Proverbs 29:18

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This thread has been... Interesting...

Folks I don't claim to have all the answers, but I can say I am at peace. Far more peaceful peace than some of the disturbing stuff I have read here. So I'm going to make an offer.

I go to church here: https://www.thecrossing.cc/ it is in The Woodlands, Texas. I attend the 9am Sunday service and I sit upstairs. I invite you to join me and my wife. No judgement. No cares in the world. I'm just inviting you to see what has given me peace. If it isn't for you it isn't for you, but I don't want to bury what has made me a better and more effective man in both business and life in general.

We can even have breakfast together at my country club afterwards.

I am 100% serious. Take me up on it if you feel inclined.
 
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This is very much a matter of opinion, of course.

But if you refuse religious answers (and make no mistake, any philosophy that ascribes a higher meaning to life is essentially a religion) there is no intrinsic meaning to life.

The world is a cold, dark place governed by chaos.

Now, faced with this, there are three possible ways you can go.

You can go nihilist, and decide that nothing matters.

You can go existentialist, and decide that it is your responsibility to create your own meaning.

You can go absurdist, and decide that the best course of action is to rebel against the meaninglessness.
 

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Like @Primeperiwinkle and @Kak, I think it reasonable in the midst of a throng of atheists to answer the question posed by the OP.

I am saddened by the air of doom and gloom pervading this thread, dominated by philosophies that allow anyone to choose whatever idea suits their fancy, with the overriding result appearing to be a feeling of hopelessness or at least, resignation. That same air prevailed in the thread:
O/T: HEALTH A Conversation about death...

I am at peace, and do not fear death. I have read the entire Bible 59 times (enjoying working towards the 60th,) and because I approached it without any preconceived ideas I very quickly discovered that Church teachings bear only a passing resemblance to Bible teachings.

I was never an atheist because unlike many Bible critics I am not cynical enough to disbelieve, ridicule, or discard anything about which I know nothing. I was an agnostic, which I believe is a far more honest and productive approach to any subject.

One of the world's most quoted atheists, Mark Twain, at least read the Bible once, but that hardly makes him an expert, not least because he only read it because he was obliged by his parents to do so, and his reading was colored by their extreme views. Having familiarized myself with what the Bible actually says, I am inclined to agree with most of his dedicated railing against Christianity.

Unfortunately Christianity has acquired a bad name due to the teachings of most Christian churches that contradict what the Bible actually teaches.

I believe that the purpose of God is to fill the earth with his glory, and He will do it through those who respond to what He requires - not to what they imagine.

It may seem surprisingly business-like in this thread, but my life has a mission statement:
Micah 6:8 "He has showed you, O man, what is good; and what does the LORD require of you but to do justice, and to love kindness, and to walk humbly with your God?"

Walter
 

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Unfortunately Christianity has acquired a bad name due to the teachings of most Christian churches that contradict what the Bible actually teaches.
I believe that the purpose of God is to fill the earth with his glory, and He will do it through those who respond to what He requires - not to what they imagine.
Love both of these. Very well put.

PEOPLE are the ones that are to blame for the reputation Christianity has gotten. People are the church and people are flawed. That concept is as biblical as the day is long.

For those of you that are wondering why Christians are all hypocrites, that is because we are. Perfection is unachievable.

Most Christians that take their faith seriously land on a calling. What they feel their God given purpose is in this world. It becomes their life's work and their life's work means more because of it. Ever wonder why I get things done pretty quickly and effectively? The God given meaning I find in my work is probably responsible for 85% of my motivation.

What is that meaning? God has blessed me with the ability to build businesses and subsequently give... And I do. I help fund worldwide efforts to help people. I can only do that as an effective businessman.

I also have a nonprofit plan that I am as excited about getting started with as I am with any of my current businesses. My foundation will outlast my businesses and live on for generations. I think it has potential to affect change on a simillar "think bigger" scale that I like in business.

My golden geese (businesses) go to my future children. My golden eggs (cash) go to the foundation.
 

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most people will never do anything to understand this world

our job is to use them
My job is to help people, not use them.
 

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Emerson was quoting from the Bible. Proverbs 29:18

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To glorify God and enjoy Him forever.

To love the First Problem Solver and be like Him, solving others problems, instead of being the problem.

To love Love and be loved in return.

To love what He has made.

I will be glad for He is good His love endures forever.
 

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Not a business question, so posting in Off topic. But I know this forum is filled with insightful people.

Money is modern day survival. The passageway from childhood to adulthood is being able to survive on your own. Earning money becomes your purpose when you don't have enough to sustain yourself.

What is the point of life when you have enough money to sustain yourself?

The usual reply is "just do what makes you happy"

But what is happiness exactly?

All I understand is our brains have one goal in mind: to reproduce. When we are doing actions that are inline and satisfy that, our brain creates happy chemicals to tell us "Good job keeping doing this!"

So is the point just to follow our egos and primal desires as closely as possible?

I don't mean to ask this to try and sound smart or create some debate or something. Ive genuinely been stuck and lost for the past few years as to what life is all about. Or if it is really nothing with no meaning. We happen to exist up until this point and so you just make what you want of it, but at the barebones its to have the most optimum and prolonged survival.
 

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I really like Naval's thinking around meaning of life, and I've applied it to my own life:

There is no answer. The real answer is ‘because.’ You get to make up your own answer is the beauty. If there was a single answer, we would not be free. We would be trapped…we would all have to live to that answer…luckily there is no answer.
 

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so maybe i can help you :

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people like me know why they are on earth because we are initiates


you don't know and 99 % of people don't know either because they are the energy of society

not the mind


society is a giant human being with a mind ( rational masterminds ) and a body ( emotional masses )

AS ABOVE SO BELOW


human level : mind and emotions
society level : mind and emotions


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by the way most people can't understand what i say because:




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Less use of bold font.
More starting progress thread.
 

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Not a business question, so posting in Off topic. But I know this forum is filled with insightful people.

Money is modern day survival. The passageway from childhood to adulthood is being able to survive on your own. Earning money becomes your purpose when you don't have enough to sustain yourself.

What is the point of life when you have enough money to sustain yourself?

The usual reply is "just do what makes you happy"

But what is happiness exactly?

All I understand is our brains have one goal in mind: to reproduce. When we are doing actions that are inline and satisfy that, our brain creates happy chemicals to tell us "Good job keeping doing this!"

So is the point just to follow our egos and primal desires as closely as possible?

I don't mean to ask this to try and sound smart or create some debate or something. Ive genuinely been stuck and lost for the past few years as to what life is all about. Or if it is really nothing with no meaning. We happen to exist up until this point and so you just make what you want of it, but at the barebones its to have the most optimum and prolonged survival.
so maybe i can help you :

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people like me know why they are on earth because we are initiates


you don't know and 99 % of people don't know either because they are the energy of society

not the mind


society is a giant human being with a mind ( rational masterminds ) and a body ( emotional masses )

AS ABOVE SO BELOW


human level : mind and emotions
society level : mind and emotions


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by the way most people can't understand what i say because:




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this is the real point.

some people have done their homework and most people will never do anything to understand this world

our job is to use them
Taking advantage of those less wealthy, less educated, less intelligent, less physically capable, and intellectually or mentally disadvantaged is the savage law of the jungle.

I prefer to help them find their way out of that jungle, and to my great relief I have found a business forum in which apart from a tiny minority, that is the prevailing mindset.

Walter
 

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There both is an isn't a point until we can objectively prove it, but I feel you aren't seeking an answer that's deep or satirical. You seem to be searching for an answer that will push you out of feeling "stuck and lost."

(Like even if I told you the Mormon religion had all the answers, would you believe me anyway?)

I feel the real question you have is how do I not feel stuck and lost in life?

Now, I may not have the best answer, but perhaps the following exercise could help nudge you in a better direction...

Please note: This hasn't been fully tested and results may vary.

1) Get a pen & paper or open a fresh document.

2) List everything that interests you and also everything you are curious about. Everything! Yes, even the embarrassing shit you don't want people to know about. Ideally, nothing illegal though.

3) Now pat yourself on the back, you just created objectives to pursue. These objectives hold the answers you seek. But, you have to do them. So if you are curious about slap fighting, you got to try it rather than just read about it. Some stuff from your list will be more difficult and/or take time. That's okay and those objectives will have significant impact on your life if you actively pursue them.

4) You can now decide whether you wish to pursue these missions in a sequential order or draw them randomly out of a hat?

It might sound crazy, but I believe the solution to getting out of these type of slumps is action. Even if it isn't recognized at first.
 

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With 2000 visitors per day here, there should be around 20 "initiates" perusing this forum at any given moment.
Three initiates here immediately spotted the error here. What good news for you, @guy93777 . Metaphysical visionaries don't post misquote memes. You have no metaphysical destiny to be the savior to mankind any more than @broswoodwork 's cats, and frankly I'm more inclined to bet on the cats.
You're off the hook. You're free.
Cats are always a safe bet. box-4.jpg
 

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I assume you ask for your Self.

to quote:
"I warn you, whoever you are, Oh! You who want to probe the arcana of nature, that if you do not find within yourself that which you are looking for, you shall not find it outside either! If you ignore the excellences of your own house, how do you pretend to find other excellencies? Within you is hidden the treasure of treasures! Know thyself and you will know the Universe and the Gods." incription of an old temple

To find your answer, you'll have to search in the inner world. Any external answer won't be yours, even if you find some of them "interesting" to take it as yours. Many writings of hundreds of years tried to lead readers to their way of finding it. But I never heard from anyone who found their individual answer that it was possible to skip inner search during the search for meaning.

I found two ways to find mine: One is meditation. The other one is contemplating by writing. Good luck.
 

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I'm an atheist, and I'll admit it sucks not having answers. Just because religion can offer some answers, doesn't mean those answers are correct, and I can't force myself into believing something that I don't think is true. I don't want to start a religious argument here though, I'm not anti-religion and have nothing against people who find value in it.

One thing that I've found to give meaning is helping others and providing value. I've also found that meditation can help increase awareness in that respect.
 

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Personally, I feel that we all take life way too seriously. We are here to experience regardless of our situation. We have a blank slate in front of us. We then color it as we wish. Even when we feel that the world is doing us so much harm and the victimhood starts to kick in.... We are still splattering colors on our slate.
 
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Not a business question, so posting in Off topic. But I know this forum is filled with insightful people.

Money is modern day survival. The passageway from childhood to adulthood is being able to survive on your own. Earning money becomes your purpose when you don't have enough to sustain yourself.

What is the point of life when you have enough money to sustain yourself?

The usual reply is "just do what makes you happy"

But what is happiness exactly?

All I understand is our brains have one goal in mind: to reproduce. When we are doing actions that are inline and satisfy that, our brain creates happy chemicals to tell us "Good job keeping doing this!"

So is the point just to follow our egos and primal desires as closely as possible?

I don't mean to ask this to try and sound smart or create some debate or something. Ive genuinely been stuck and lost for the past few years as to what life is all about. Or if it is really nothing with no meaning. We happen to exist up until this point and so you just make what you want of it, but at the barebones its to have the most optimum and prolonged survival.
I have struggled with this issue many times over the years. All I can tell you is what is right for me.
When I was young I was always going to be happy when something happened in the future -- or I was able to buy something. I had a major health issue and almost lost my life. While I was lying there in bed, I asked when I was going to give myself permission to be happy. I was afraid I wouldn't last that long. So, as I got back on my feet, I changed my life and made myself new rules.

1. I live every day as though it will be my last one. Time is SO precious.
2. I try to pay forward by being helpful to the people around me. I want to leave a legacy of kind acts.
3. I don't want to make a bad cause by intentionally hurting anyone. It's not worth it to be mean or nasty.
4. I take care of myself. I try to eat right, exercise, sleep enough and spend some quiet time every day.
5. I take care of and cherish my relationships. That includes my dear husband, off-springs, and my close friends. They are the first people I go to with my joys and my sorrows.
6. I clean house a lot in my life. It's figurative and literal. I'm always evaluating things. I decide what activities and/or stuff I want to keep and what to 86 out of my life. Life needs room to send you something new. I try to make room for change.

Your life is a blank canvas. If you aren't happy, change it. It's your life!
 

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First of all, what does it mean for something to have a purpose?

A tool has a purpose. A hammer puts nails in a wall.

That’s because humans designed a tool to meet their end goals.

Do you want to be a tool for the end goal of a higher being?

If so, then what is the purpose of that higher being? What would God be a “tool” for.

My point here is that somewhere down the line there is creative intelligence that ascribes a purpose and then tools to that end. There can be no ultimate purpose because the idea of a purpose leads to an infinite regression.

I prefer to believe that there is no purpose ordained to us and that we are not tools for a higher goal.

From my point of view, We are the highly unlikely yet inevitable result of the total infinity of “time” and “space.”

The greatest gift that you have is that you’re not a tool. You ascribe purpose.

Regardless of whether you believe in free will or determinism (and I believe in neither) - you have deep desires that you want to see manifested.

Whether it’s the desire for love, giving, legacy, or creating great things and putting them out into the world.. it’s your vision and your very existence that will determine how those things are manifested.

Our lives have much greater spheres of influence than we realize, and it’s a terrible loss that so many of us downplay the purpose and meaning that there is within our own relationships.

The impact that we have on eachother and our connection to the world is pregnant with possibilities for how your own purpose will play out.
 

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I think purpose, not happiness, gives life meaning. Of course I want to be happy, and I want to live a long time, and I want that for everyone, but purpose is what gives me fulfillment, and that purpose sometimes doesn't make me happy at all. Easing someone's life and making the world a better place is sometimes fun and beautiful, and sometimes it is hard.
 

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people like me know why they are on earth because we are initiates


you don't know and 99 % of people don't know either because they are the energy of society

not the mind


society is a giant human being with a mind ( rational masterminds ) and a body ( emotional masses )

AS ABOVE SO BELOW


human level : mind and emotions
society level : mind and emotions


View attachment 28434





by the way most people can't understand what i say because:




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Please, please, please, make a thread elaborating on this world view you keep pointing towards and give the unwashed masses a chance to digest your wisdom.
 

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