What's going on with Elon Musk? Eccentric or going mad?

[CPisHere]

Access to social media when tired, drunk, angry etc... + being famous is a dangerous combo.

 

[MJ DeMarco]

Lately Elon Musk has been making some odd comments and making eyebrows rise.

From the sales conference call some weeks ago where he made some bizarre comments, to Twitter barbs, to this Thai cave rescue thing and calling some critic a PEDO, his comments are starting to make people wonder. Lately he's been sounding more like Trump and not unlike any other corporate figure of a publicly traded company.

Elon Musk tweets he'll "bet ya a signed dollar" that Thai cave rescuer is a "pedo"

https://www.cnbc.com/video/2018/05/...musk-moments-from-the-bizarre-tesla-call.html

I'm sure Nikola Tesla was considered an odd-ball in his day and age, so is this just Elon being Elon?

Is this his eccentricity or do you think something else is going on?

A billionaire with FU money saying FU?

 

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[csalvato]

How would you feel if you made some of the greatest advancements in technology and the human condition in the past 20 years through sheer force of will, then have the press relentlessly criticize you, Wall Street ruthlessly short you, and have literally thousands (millions?) of negative tweets, emails and other personal correspondence a year telling you how you’re an idiot, pigheaded, narcissistic, etc.?

My bet is that alone is ridiculously hard to cope with. And recently the media is amplifying all the negative stuff because he’s called them out...

This will be a true test of his character.

 

[ZCP]

Dude needs to take a day off. Especially a day off social media.

Then get back to changing the world. Let the haters hate.

How many other people got off their a$$ and offered to help the rescue? Props to him for that. He doesn't wait and hope. He jumps in to solve the problem. As an engineer, I love the guy.

He can say all the stupid things he wants if he continues to change the world.

 

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[msufan]

The pedo comment was indefensible. Definitely harmed himself and his brand for absolutely no reason there.

Gotta be honest -- I've seen a LOT of people harm themselves and their careers with social media. Definitely a cautionary tale here.

 

[Black_Dragon43]

There are quite a few sources on the internet saying that his father owned an emerald mine in Zambia, which he declines because its linked to apartheid, so you take that however you want. Besides that, his dad supposedly had a successful engineering business, and was a millionaire before the age 30. I don't really have many any sources at hand, but here's an article you can read: errol_musk (btw I don't know how reliable these sources are)

You have a mentality that is very typical of Eastern Europeans. It’s based on jealousy of others. And that’s what motivates you to find reasons to discard his success. That’s BS man, and it’s paradoxically the reason you’re not successful... because you think you need a rich father.

Musk’s dad did not lift a finger to help him build Tesla, nor SpaceX, nor the Boring Company. In fact, Musk doesn’t even get along well with his dad. But his dad may have been an alpha male dad who programmed his kids for success by pushing them and challenging them. Which is why they don’t like him. Success ain’t easy.

Anyway, work on the mindset! Also, why are you not joining INSIDERS? If you hold onto your money, you will lose it! Invest it!

And no, I don’t think Musk is a genius, I just think he’s a hard, ruthless son of a bitch who gets the job done and never gives up. What you should be as well if you want to be successful. It doesn’t mean that you don’t help others and so on, but rather it means that you never give up and keep pushing and pushing and pushing. Steve Jobs was also a ruthless bastard. You would have hated working for him. So what? He got the job done!

 

[JAJT]

I've noticed a marked increase in hate directed towards him these last few months.

Lots of name calling, challenging him, criticizing his treatment of workers, saying people should stop worshiping him, etc...

He's also pretty well known for being snarky on social media - calling out other companies to challenge him when he feels "on top" and then slinging shade at anyone who talks ill of him.

I bet it's nothing more complicated than he can deal it but not take it.

 

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[MJ DeMarco]

He might also have developed a bit of an ego

Well it has to be frustrating to make such a worldly impact and have some socialist basement dweller tweeting you about how you aren't doing enough, and that you should "spread the wealth." GMAFB.

Looks to be political. E donated to GOP

It was very little in the scope of power donations, but I'm sure that hasn't helped quell the SJW lynch mob.

I'm just pointing out the irony that, "What if Elon visited" has been used to shut down some other threads here.

Some water cooler discussions are acceptable. Others are just plain poor taste or show a lack of diligence.

The reference to Musk was that it could be any high-profile entrepreneur visiting. If Barbara Corcoran or Lori Greiner visited here, do you think they'd want to see "How do u guyz get chicks in bed?" on the front page? No, they don't. And if they did, they'd be out in seconds, and not just because they are women.

 

[SYK]

some other viewpoint FYI lol
https://nypost.com/2018/07/21/elon-musk-is-a-total-fraud/

Quote from the article “He has yet to succeed at anything...”

Ahh... so he’s one of those unsuccessful kinda billionaires.

My other favorite from the article… “So many of its rockets have burned up or crashed…”

The idea that you nail something as complex as a rocket launch first go is beyond stupid. With this logic, NASA should have boarded up back in the 1950s.

This whole article is such a microcosm of much of society. It’s just a more prominent version of trolls who comment on Facebook posts telling you your business or product is shit. People sitting on the sidelines doing nothing, throwing barbs at those who do. Why try something? It’s much safer to just watch others and criticize them.

Sure, Elon has said/done stupid shit, which he should be called out on. But tens of thousands of electric cars on streets across the world. Dozens of satellites launched into space. Not single-handedly his doing, but enough to define him as a success. No matter how you measure it.

 

[GPM]

For the life of me I can't figure out what the "R" word could possibly be. A rodent?

"He has yet to succeed at anything but somehow spins every failure into proof of imminent success. His only accomplishment has been this decades-long Jedi mind trick."

Haha! Really? The fact that every major car company is now pushing electric tech shows to me that he is a massive success. Whether or not the Tesla ends up staying around, they were the only ones with the huevos to push electric vehicles into the public eye, and actually make them good.

Another piece of nonsense written by someone who sits behind a monitor and acts tough. They probably go home from work and hate their boring lives, all the while using technology all around them with no idea where it all came from. Quality-of-life-bettering stuff just appears around these people magically, and yet they will constantly complain about "rich people".

 

[Invictus]

Could be stress?

Most people would struggle to run just one of Elon's companies, and yet he's simultaneously running three or four. Even if he's focused only on big picture stuff, that's going to be stressful.

He's likely running from big decision to big decision, with no time to recover in-between.

Combine that with his F.U. money so he doesn't face consequences as easily as someone else may, and I think you have a recipe for eccentricity.

He might also have developed a bit of an ego (IE: "People desperately want to hear what I have to say) just because so many people have wanted to hear what he had to say.

Which is entirely human. You give anyone that large of a platform and that much attention and we all start thinking we need to say a lot more than we really do.

 

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[Fox]

I think he has got on the wrong side of the media and they have tasted blood. He used to be someone that they wanted to rally behind but now that they see his alliances are elsewhere they will find whatever they can to take him down.

When you are on the wrong side of the press it can start to accelerate bad decisions. If you have ever seen a comedian dive during a performance its the same thing - they try take bigger social gambles to work themselves back to a good spot but it just makes it even worst. Id say he is feeling the heat somewhat and its causing more mini meltdowns.

Also the twitter thing is a huge double edged. It helps him connect with people and seem relatable but that is also going to mean getting into the odd battle in which either way he loses. All those responses above (not the pedo one though) seem quite funny - he is just calling out fake news and annoying reporters.

 

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[Brad S]

I'd say his behavior is probably a combination of the reasons given in these 2 articles.

Peter Thiel Thinks Elon Musk and Donald Trump are a Lot Alike | Inverse

Does Elon Musk Need a Vacation?

Not only are his tweets entertaining, I think there should be more people willing to put themselves out there and say whatever the F*ck they want about whoever the F*ck they want.

Especially when most of it is true.

I'm not sure why Elon involves himself in things like a thai cave problem..

But the better question is why anyone cares to say something negative.

The media in general is a cancer.

Just like all the worthless self righteous people that have nothing better to do but criticize people they dont know like Elon and Trump.

We need MORE people who bully these self righteous p.c. lynch mobs.

I think Elon has declared war.







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[ZF Lee]

Yea, Elon Musk will do to help the world in ONE DAY than most of these haters will do in their entire lives. But it's OK, because he's one of the lucky billionaires who isn't paying their "fair share."

Welp, even if the madness puts Musk on the deep end, he still has accomplished way more than most folks.

Reminds me of this good oldie of a tweet (that popped out of the blue in my mind)

 

[jon.M]

I get the feeling from their tone that many people in this thread want him to fail. Not just lludgiwg (who has a financial stake in that).

 

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[Get Right]

but think on it

I did. It led to me using the ignore user feature. Thanks!

 

[G-Man]

When I was a kid, whenever we'd see crazy sh*t my dad would say "Well, bud, everybody is crazy but me and you... and I'm starting to have my doubts about you".

 

[MikeS]

Actually, the social media are one of the biggest dangers for celebrities. If you lose it once, people will keep using it against you forever. In most cases, it is true that once you post something on the internet, it stays on the internet.

A great example of that is Zuckerberg. When he started the Facebook didn't have an idea about how big impact can his immature behaviors have in the future. When Facebook got sued for some privacy issues, I think it was about a decade ago, the plaintiff used against him this conversation that he had with his college friend in the past. He couldn't have predicted it, but he could've prevented this by simply not behaving like an idiot.

 

[rogue synthetic]

Social media has a way of bringing out some of the worst habits and qualities in people. It turns individuals into mouthpieces for groupthink, it discourages thoughtful reflection and patience (and/or it selects for people who don't have these virtues), it makes trivial things seem much more important than they are.

I've come to see it as a systematic dysfunction of ordinary forms of human communication. In-grouping and gossip and tribal attacks on The Other Guy are nothing new for our species of course, but it is only really in the last two decades that we've seen platforms appear where these negatives are features that the technology actually encourages with its incentives.

It's quite interesting to watch from the outside, though it's less nice to think about the impact on public life.

I think Elon is getting hit from two sides here. He's having to deal with the rubbernecker's syndrome that is encouraged by the regular Two Minutes of Hate, where anyone and everyone is encouraged to pile on whatever flash-fire dominates this week's news cycle. It will be memory-holed soon enough, and if anyone even remembers this in 4 week's time (short of a Tesla or Space-X implosion) it will be truly surprising.

Add to that the fact that social media itself is a game that, like any other activity with reward-loops and social status hanging on the line, can be addictive in its own way. I don't mean that it encourages repeat play (it does), but that participating in the culture, using the language, repeating the actions, makes it hard to resist falling in line with the mass-produced thoughts of mass-produced media. Even the most patient soul will have his patience tested here.

Like the MAD doctrine of the Cold War, the only winning move is not to play.

The second best move? Troll hard and burn out in a blaze of glory. Elon might be going for this one.

 

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[The Abundant Man]

Welp, even if the madness puts Musk on the deep end, he still has accomplished way more than most folks.

Reminds me of this good oldie of a tweet (that popped out of the blue in my mind)

Just finished Elon Musk by Ashlee Vance. The guy is a workhorse. The problem is he likes to do everything himself. He's one of those show off know-it-alls where he likes to correct people on everything.(He got bullied to death in his elementary and high school years because of this. Plus he was the awkward kid who was in the back of the classroom/kept to himself type). It's a personality trait of his that's a double edged sword. He doesn't like to give up control to other people because he thinks he can do better than them. Everytime he did give control of a company to somebody else. He got screwed over. He's a real brilliant guy but it can be both a blessing and a curse.

 

[rogue synthetic]

Hell with Elon Musk, I'm glad @GMSI7D is back.

 

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[MJ DeMarco]

This whole article is such a microcosm of much of society.

Yea, Elon Musk will do to help the world in ONE DAY than most of these haters will do in their entire lives. But it's OK, because he's one of the lucky billionaires who isn't paying their "fair share."

 

[LPPC]

Dude is looking rough

Seems optimistic though

So he is 47 years old. In this video he looks much much older. If it's because of the stress, then it's pretty scary what it can do to you.

If Elon Musk manages to enable us to live on Mars, then we will just bring the same problems we have on earth to Mars.

I don't think he is solving humanities biggest problems. Humanity's biggest problem is the way we think/our consciousness. The outside world reflects our inside world.

Why go to Mars if we can prevent ourselves from destroying planet earth?

Just wanted to my share my opinion.

 

[GMSI7D]

a lot of guys ask me in private conversations about those " masterminds " i am talking about


so what's the point with these guys that i consider "masterminds " and are INTJs or rational at least , according to the mbti theory


just look at the picture for a moment





Bobby Fischer . chess world champion and genius




Arnold Schwarzenneger





Jay Abraham, pope of marketing




Jim Rohn , business philosopher




Elon Musk , visionnary




Putin, Russian leader




Stuart Goldsmith, innercircle philosophy





Sun Tzu, military strategist






Eben Pagan , marketing guru and investor





Nietszche, philosopher





any guess ?


these guys are not on earth to be part of the crowd


these guys are on earth to honour intelligence and intelligence has nothing to do with being a good sheep in a controlled society



so i won't go further because this is too deep at your level

but think on it

 

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[MJ DeMarco]

TSLA has unexpectedly moved their earnings date release up 2 weeks.

This is another BS move because options are priced differently around earnings.

So if an INSIDERS had this knowledge, you could have bought TSLA options with cheap IV and after the announcement the IV would have doubled, hence, jumping the option prices. No price movement needed.

This is no different than INSIDERS trading and yet, this kind of shit gets a pass by the SEC.

That said, the announcement move means what? TSLA will report great results?

 

[Deleted50669]

Stress will bring out the worst in anyone. If you think about the level of stress he's experiencing... making good on billions in investment with an under-performing workforce and inadequate surrounding leadership, he's in a pressure cooker. In his case, the stress breaks down the wall he usually puts up between his ego and the public. In his biography there are glimpses of his ego that are mostly managed away from being noticed. But his sympathy for us lesser beings is diminishing with his staved emotional resources.

 

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[Late Bloomer]

This only gives more support to the notion of being an a**hole to succeed, Steve Jobs was the same way.

I don't think it's a necessary trait but I'm not successful so I can't say.

By definition, a world-changing entrepreneur thinks about things the rest of the world isn't thinking about. They think about typical things in a different way that's far from typical. And they keeps pushing until their vision becomes the new reality. That requires a self-assured confidence in one's own ideas, even when one's own thoughts contradict what the whole rest of the world does. It's not that far from having this level of confidence, to being called an a**hole by many... or actually being one.

 

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[TheOrchestrator]

This just all reminds me of a post I read by Ryan Holiday a few months back, which suggested that the best kind of success is to be successful, yet at the same time, largely unknown by the general public.

The Most Successful People Are The Ones You’ve Never Heard Of (And Why They Want It That Way)

 

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[csalvato]

Maybe my choice of words is poor. What I call a subsidy is whenever a company gets money from a government, even if they deliver something (and SpaceX might create tremendous value).

I am not going to argue about this. I just thought he might be under pressure from the government (usually governments spend money recklessly so there should be no pressure)... It's just my personal opinion.

This guy lays it out pretty well.

https://www.quora.com/How-much-did-SpaceX-receive-in-government-subsides-in-2016

And this one adds to this a bit.

www.latimes.com/business/la-fi-hy-musk-subsidies-20150531-story.html

With respect, your comment was ignorant as your links highlight.

A $20M economic development subsidy is peanuts for a rocket company. Receiving money from government contracts is business, not subsidy.

 

[csalvato]

Look at his actions. This is a guy with enough ego to believe he can start two multi-billion dollar companies at the same time;

Why does this have to be called `ego` with a negative connotation, rather than `confidence` with a positive one?