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What are your trusted resources? There is too many 'information' out there.

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If you search for something like.. digital marketing, for example, there's a gazillion of companies, ppl, youtube videos, books etc. etc. that claim to teach you this.

What's more frustrating is that if you click on one link, you get adverts / links to to several others, so you feel completely overwhelmed by all this 'information'.
I feel like a potential cash cow (not that I ever handed over any money), for these companies, and most likely that is what they're looking for.

Can we please get a list of tried-and-tested list of resources that actually bring value?
It could be on any aspect of entrepreneurship.

(I'm a newbie, read quite a few books on this topic, and the only two books that ring true to me are Fastlane Millionaire & Unscripted .
So I'm going to bank on this forum & trust that everyone has good intentions, working towards a similar goal.)
 
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If you search for something like.. digital marketing, for example, there's a gazillion of companies, ppl, youtube videos, books etc. etc. that claim to teach you this.

What's more frustrating is that if you click on one link, you get adverts / links to to several others, so you feel completely overwhelmed by all this 'information'.
I feel like a potential cash cow (not that I ever handed over any money), for these companies, and most likely that is what they're looking for.

Can we please get a list of tried-and-tested list of resources that actually bring value?
It could be on any aspect of entrepreneurship.

(I'm a newbie, read quite a few books on this topic, and the only two books that ring true to me are Fastlane Millionaire & Unscripted .
So I'm going to bank on this forum & trust that everyone has good intentions, working towards a similar goal.)
For business related stuff, I don't trust anything but the search function here.
 

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I remember before smart phones and the commoditifcation of content when you could search the net for something and the answer (if it existed) was a personal website for someone who just lived abd breathed the subject. Like they did nothing but geek out about whatever it was you were curious about.


Now I have to scroll down 6 paragraphs for a recipe , or if its a business model question dig through 20 blogs and amalgamate 20 seperate gems found somewhere within.


Not thats its all bad , we have wikihow and old enough communities for most things to at least have a solid starting place but...I miss those total geekout sites.
 

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I just start talking to myself when I have a problem or want to find more information. Gotta consult with the smartest person I know, ya know?

Now I have to scroll down 6 paragraphs for a recipe

That's a complaint I have a problem with. Not the paragraphs part, but people complaining about it.
 

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That's a complaint I have a problem with. Not the paragraphs part, but people complaining about it.

Well the reason is they're gaming the SERP , more time on page and farther scroll down = higher ranking. Thank god for those google answer box.
 
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I trust books. I know I haven't made any money online and you should be skeptic about what I recommend here.

But the logic here is there are proven ways to do things right. Most of the time, the proven ones are old because they're timeless. The world is changing. But one thing will never change -- that is human nature.

Anyway... this gentleman posted a decent book recommendation. Specifically, I searched for copy-writing books and found this one:


I've read two books from it, and I'm practicing it. I'm writing a copy of the recruiting poster from a company I'm interning. I'll update the result. *fingers crossed*

EDIT: Don't forget to check the author's background. Just like how you check the blogger's or the Youtuber's credibility and become a skeptic yourself. Jim Rohn said, "You can't teach what you don't know." That summarizes everything about credibility filtering.
 
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I hear this all the time: There's too much information out there!

Generally what it means is that the person is looking for a shortcut. They don't want to spend twenty or thirty hours wading through information to start gleaning some context about the subject -- let alone spend the several thousand hours building up a foundation of expertise.

If you spend a few dozen hours reading on a topic, you'll build some context and you'll start to recognize what information is good and what information is bad. From there, you can then spend hundreds/thousands of hours taking in the good information and actually building your skills.

The other option is to spend a lot of money to have someone teach you in an organized fashion. That's the expensive route...
This is absolutely true! I can confirm it from my experience with hours and days of searching for a place, a book, or a course to learn something. And then ended up with a bunch of sources i finally didn't even visit for a second time. That is because you don't know what you want to learn and also you don't action.

I find that the best way is to action and then when you're stuck, search google for a book, a course until you come up with the solution, then get right back to work, learning along working. Also just stick with a place if you find yourself lonely, it could be a facebook group, a subreddit or a forum. But only one. I find myself TFLF is the best way to be in. Just focus on learning one thing at a time, and learn it to do, don't learn something that belongs in the far future!
 

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Well the reason is they're gaming the SERP , more time on page and farther scroll down = higher ranking. Thank god for those google answer box.

Perhaps, you wouldn't say that if your livelihood depended on writing good content and monetizing the traffic that actually lands on your page.

The issue doesn't affect me personally, but it is content appropriation, the way I see it.
It is inevitable that Google will face bigger lawsuits about it in the near future.
Google runs ads against its search results, which with answer boxes allows users to consume content right there. So it is directly monetizing other people's content.

Try monetizing a website with Google Adsense and exclusively post snippets of third party content, with a link back to the source. You will be suspended in no time by the same Google.

Many webmasters are furious about the negative impact the answer box and Google Images have had on their organic traffic, and revenue. It's only a matter of time.
 
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No theories - just experience - your or others'.
 

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Oh God, I can talk about this for hours. As a doctor you'll understand this...

So what I do is try to understand the topic from a scientific perspective.

I'll type something like "Evidence-based marketing"

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This will give me mainly results that have been tried and tested under rigorous conditions.

The same way that doctors rely on "Evidence-based medicine" you can rely on, say, "Evidence-based marketing."

Use what you know as a doctor and apply it to other topics. Apply the same level of scrutiny. You son't realize it now, but you have a major head-start.

MediaBiasFactCheck: I love this site because it rates different sources on 2 separate/important criteria: their reliability and potential political spin.


For example the New York Times, has a left-leaning bias but their reporting is factual.

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Factual Reporting: HIGH
Country: USA
World Press Freedom Rank: USA 45/180

Then you have places like Buzzfeed, which is biased, but also often non-factual.

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Factual Reporting: MIXED
Country: USA
World Press Freedom Rank: USA 45/180

Then for other sources it rates them on their scientific credibility:

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Some sources are rated on a "Conspiracy theorist" scale:

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But here's the really cool thing. They also have a custom Google search that let's you weed out results by certain criterial. So you can set it to search valid scientific sources. Or you can set it to only search sources with the least political spin.


This search saves a lot of time. I also have my own custom Google search for credible sources, but I'm not sure how helpful it would be for you.

I think determining factual sources can be just as much as an art as a science. i find that legitimate sources use a very logical, unemotional tone. Mainstream sources are usually more factual. If a website uses a bunch of emotional, bombastic or excited language, be very careful. Real scientists are boring. They use really boring big words and rarely make grand statements.

An unbiased source will often present both sides of the argument. The answer

Legitimate sources will say "however," illegitimate sources will say"moreover." In other words, Legitimate sources show you the nuances of the argument, and how there can be opposing points and exceptions to any argument. Illegitimate sources just pour on evidence

If you really want to get into this, check out the work of James Pennebaker. He did some really enlightening experiments to see what personality types made the most accurate predictions.


Pennebaker found the "Fox" type predictors to be significantly more accurate. Hedgehogs are very confident. "There's a 100% chance I'm right!" Foxes will show you both sides of the argument. "There's a 70% chance I'm right."

He found that those who were more accurate had a very nuanced view. For example someone may say "Socialism is bad!" or "Socialism is good!"... but the real answer any question is usually somewhere in the middle. Socialism in general usually doesn't work, but places like Norway and Denmark have taken aspects and employed them successfully. Therefor the answer isn't just black and white. Whenever someone says the answer is black or white without inspecting the shades of grey, they're probably relying on biases, heuristics or rules of thumb rather than objectively looking at the evidence.
 
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Now I have to scroll down 6 paragraphs for a recipe , or if its a business model question dig through 20 blogs and amalgamate 20 seperate gems found somewhere within.

⌘ + F or ctrl + F is helpful for that. Just jumps to whatever work I'm looking for.
 

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If you search for something like.. digital marketing, for example, there's a gazillion of companies, ppl, youtube videos, books etc. etc. that claim to teach you this.
Don’t search “digital marketing” then?

Search for something more specific. Solve the problem in front of you.

If you want to learn from someone specifically then maybe even do the search on YouTube? By watching someone present you will get a better feel for them, their style, and their values.

Keep a note of who helped you solve the problem in front of you. Did their advice help? Did it make sense? Would you trust them again to solve another problem?

These might help:

If I want a broader knowledge of a new subject then I’ll immerse myself by watching videos on YouTube, listening to podcasts, and buying the occasional (short!) Udemy course.

I learn better by doing. I’ve many progress threads in here where I decide to get my head round something and document it as I go along. Maybe check one or two of those out to see how I learn. Not saying I’m excellent at learning or anything, just that I learn more by immersing myself and by chipping away every day for about 30 days. Oh, and by documenting that journey too.
 

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Perry Marshal
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Jordan Belfort

Just a few bigger names...
 
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There's better information online now. You just had less options a few years ago and you were happy with your search results. Don't forget text stuffing and black hat link building. That meant you were getting results from people who were not experts just first on the google search results.

When you're looking for quality there's no shortcuts. Even in finding quality content.

Start by searching on: This forum, Youtube, Quora and Reddit

Read through all the answers given by the members of those communities. Write down the names of the people they recommend. Once you read through all four communities and have a good list of names you'll have the answer you want. Start circling the names that have more than one entry. There's you're experts.
 

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If you search for something like.. digital marketing, for example, there's a gazillion of companies, ppl, youtube videos, books etc. etc. that claim to teach you this.

What's more frustrating is that if you click on one link, you get adverts / links to to several others, so you feel completely overwhelmed by all this 'information'.
I feel like a potential cash cow (not that I ever handed over any money), for these companies, and most likely that is what they're looking for.

Can we please get a list of tried-and-tested list of resources that actually bring value?
It could be on any aspect of entrepreneurship.

(I'm a newbie, read quite a few books on this topic, and the only two books that ring true to me are Fastlane Millionaire & Unscripted .
So I'm going to bank on this forum & trust that everyone has good intentions, working towards a similar goal.)

For a start, look at the companies that you admire like Dropbox, Slack, Intercom, etc. Find out who the founders are. Go to youtube and find their interviews. Avoid people like Tai Lopez, Gary V, Grant Cardone, etc at all costs.
 

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If you search for something like.. digital marketing, for example, there's a gazillion of companies, ppl, youtube videos, books etc. etc. that claim to teach you this.

What's more frustrating is that if you click on one link, you get adverts / links to to several others, so you feel completely overwhelmed by all this 'information'.
I feel like a potential cash cow (not that I ever handed over any money), for these companies, and most likely that is what they're looking for.

Can we please get a list of tried-and-tested list of resources that actually bring value?
It could be on any aspect of entrepreneurship.

(I'm a newbie, read quite a few books on this topic, and the only two books that ring true to me are Fastlane Millionaire & Unscripted .
So I'm going to bank on this forum & trust that everyone has good intentions, working towards a similar goal.)
If you ever want the actual facts on anything the government is really doing, US trade agreements, any federal legislation, including funding decisions, anything signed at the White House on any given day, or the real story behind the slivers of info we hear about from the triggered media, you can access it in two steps.

1. go to the Federal Register website and 2. actually look up and read the continuously published document that goes by this name.

www.federalregister.gov

 
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I told @A_Random_Guy I was going to make a thread on effectively learning about topics, but writing thread takes a long time so I'll just post here.

I think the biggest thing is gauging the reputability of sources.

Journalism site Poynter has a really good course on Fact-checking:


It's a (pretty short) course for Journalists, but I think we all have a responsibility toward Fact-checking and fighting fake news. Checking data, etc.

Watch for the following: Bombastic, emotional tone. Subjective statements. Overconfidence. Personal opinions.

Check the citations. If an article had no citations, be very weary. An author I like says "Don't ever read a book without sources unless you enjoy reading fiction." I agree. If it references a claim without a citation, try to google around and see if you can find that claim in a reputable source. For example if a website says "Omega 3s reduce the risk of heart disease" but doesn't cite the source Google "Omega 3s and heart disease" and read the reputable, mainstream sources (or better yet this tool.) Ignore the alternative health blogs and conspiracy sites. Search "the science of marketing" (or whatever) then read the reputable sources. See what university sources say about the topic. Their stuff is usually based more on research than other sources. Domains: .gov, .org, .edu are generally more reputable than .com, but that does not mean they're 100% correct. This is a rule of thumb.

Also it helps to look for a neat and tidy professional appearance.

See the difference:

in comparison to


27023 vs 27024

27025 vs 27026

Note the difference?

On the left: Clean, organized content calmly presented factually. Presents fact-checked information, and their reputation is important to them

On the right: Emotional, sensationalist content designed to elicit an emotional reaction. Meant to provoke public interest or excitement. No emphasis on fact-checking or care for their reputation.

Of course this is a mental shortcut, and a bullshit source can decide to implement a clean layout, but in general I find it to be true. Take some time to get used to the different styles.

Take a few minutes to read the junk on this site, so you realize how bullshitters use the art of bullshit:


Legitimate sources always note when they're presenting their opinion rather than factual information. Bullshitters present their opinions as facts.

A more subtle example is this:


At first glance, the site seems legit enough. He analyses nutrition studies. Until you start watching the videos and start realizing that every video supports the hypothesis "plant based diets cure disease" and "meats are the devil." This is a more subtle example of bullshit. Like I said before:

Legitimate sources will say "however," illegitimate sources will say"moreover." In other words, Legitimate sources show you the nuances of the argument, and how there can be opposing points and exceptions to any argument. Illegitimate sources just pour on evidence

All he does is pour on more and more evidence that humans are natural herbivores (which is utter nonsense.)

But note the piling on of evidence to one side without acknowledging the other. This is a sure sign of bias.

Be careful of sources that use these types of arguments:


This is from the work of the eminent psychologist Philip Tetlock. Here's a summary of his research:


The man himself:


Note: this concept has a lot to do with System 1 and System 2 thinking, as will be discussed in this month's Fastlane Book Club book, Thinking Fast and Slow by Daniel Kahneman or Jonathan Haidt's "Elephant and the Rider" metaphor.
 
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I told @A_Random_Guy I was going to make a thread on effectively learning about topics, but writing thread takes a long time so I'll just post here.

I think the biggest thing is gauging the reputability of sources.

Journalism site Poynter has a really good course on Fact-checking:


It's a (pretty short) course for Journalists, but I think we all have a responsibility toward Fact-checking and fighting fake news. Checking data, etc.

Watch for the following: Bombastic, emotional tone. Subjective statements. Overconfidence. Personal opinions.

Check the citations. If an article had no citations, be very weary. An author I like says "Don't ever read a book without sources unless you enjoy reading fiction." I agree. If it references a claim without a citation, try to google around and see if you can find that claim in a reputable source. For example if a website says "Omega 3s reduce the risk of heart disease" but doesn't cite the source Google "Omega 3s and heart disease" and read the reputable, mainstream sources (or better yet this tool.) Ignore the alternative health blogs and conspiracy sites. Search "the science of marketing" (or whatever) then read the reputable sources. See what university sources say about the topic. Their stuff is usually based more on research than other sources. Domains: .gov, .org, .edu are generally more reputable than .com, but that does not mean they're 100% correct. This is a rule of thumb.

Also it helps to look for a neat and tidy professional appearance.

See the difference:

in comparison to


View attachment 27023 vs View attachment 27024

View attachment 27025 vs View attachment 27026

Note the difference?

On the left: Clean, organized content calmly presented factually. Presents fact-checked information, and their reputation is important to them

On the right: Emotional, sensationalist content designed to elicit an emotional reaction. Meant to provoke public interest or excitement. No emphasis on fact-checking or care for their reputation.

Of course this is a mental shortcut, and a bullshit source can decide to implement a clean layout, but in general I find it to be true. Take some time to get used to the different styles.

Take a few minutes to read the junk on this site, so you realize how bullshitters use the art of bullshit:


Legitimate sources always note when they're presenting their opinion rather than factual information. Bullshitters present their opinions as facts.

A more subtle example is this:


At first glance, the site seems legit enough. He analyses nutrition studies. Until you start watching the videos and start realizing that every video supports the hypothesis "plant based diets cure disease" and "meats are the devil." This is a more subtle example of bullshit. Like I said before:



All he does is pour on more and more evidence that humans are natural herbivores (which is utter nonsense.)

But note the piling on of evidence to one side without acknowledging the other. This is a sure sign of bias.

Be careful of sources that use these types of arguments:


This is from the work of the eminent psychologist Philip Tetlock. Here's a summary of his research:


The man himself:


Note: this concept has a lot to do with System 1 and System 2 thinking, as will be discussed in this month's Fastlane Book Club book, Thinking Fast and Slow by Daniel Kahneman or Jonathan Haidt's "Elephant and the Rider" metaphor.

But your search engine of choice Search News based on Highly Factual Reporting considers BBC and Aljazeera as mostly neutral :( while they are mostly left-leaning for some countries.

Also, BuzzFeed is your daily source of entertainment where the authors of articles are 50-year-olds with the mind of 10-year-olds completing their daily school assignments of writing fiction. I'd rather read stuff from someone not citing any resources rather than someone citing buzzfeed as their source.
Shout out to Prince Ea and Jay Shetty and other motivational speakers.
 

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But your search engine of choice Search News based on Highly Factual Reporting considers BBC and Aljazeera as mostly neutral :( while they are mostly left-leaning for some countries.

Also, BuzzFeed is your daily source of entertainment where the authors of articles are 50-year-olds with the mind of 10-year-olds completing their daily school assignments of writing fiction. I'd rather read stuff from someone not citing any resources rather than someone citing buzzfeed as their source.
Shout out to Prince Ea and Jay Shetty and other motivational speakers.

On point.
Notice how much " neutral" news content is a collection of opinions from experts who all have an agenda to push.
The most reliable news is free of reviews and opinion. You can learn to screen out the biased content and just scan for the facts. Takes a bit of practice.
 
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They report BBC and Aljazeera as leaning left:

BBC:

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Al Jazeera:

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If you're using the "Mostly Center" option it includes slightly left and slightly right sources too. You probably want the "Least Bias Only" option which wouldn't include sources that leaned left or right.

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Brian Tracy. All of his books.l Specially Maximum Achievement
The Effective, Executive by Peter Drucker
The E-Myth Revisited, Michael Gerber

Quora is generally a good resource, since users can rate best answers and you can also post questions.
 
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Outside of MJ's ecosystem, I can't speak highly enough of Andy Frisella and his MFCEO project podcast

His podcast, like this forum, is not about making money, but simply providing massive value
 

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I think it's good to pick one or a few people who have accomplished what you want -- those who've 'been there and done that' -- and then 'model' yourself after them. (Shoutout to Tony Robbins.)

Read all their stuff and listen to all their interviews. See what sources of info they recommend (take with a grain of salt if they're affiliate links). Jump headfirst into the rabbit hole.

Instead of looking at the methods and tactics they use, study the principles behind them and adapt them to your situation. In other words, don't just copy their tricks, but try to come up with your own.

IMPORTANT: Narrow down your selection of people you want to model. Pick 1-3 reputable sources and learn from them. Don't overload yourself with information. (Admittedly, this is a PSA to myself as much as to anyone else.)
 

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If you search for something like.. digital marketing, for example, there's a gazillion of companies, ppl, youtube videos, books etc. etc. that claim to teach you this.

What's more frustrating is that if you click on one link, you get adverts / links to to several others, so you feel completely overwhelmed by all this 'information'.
I feel like a potential cash cow (not that I ever handed over any money), for these companies, and most likely that is what they're looking for.

Can we please get a list of tried-and-tested list of resources that actually bring value?
It could be on any aspect of entrepreneurship.

(I'm a newbie, read quite a few books on this topic, and the only two books that ring true to me are Fastlane Millionaire & Unscripted .
So I'm going to bank on this forum & trust that everyone has good intentions, working towards a similar goal.)

The best source of knowledge is to learn from someone you trust. Find yourself a mentor. And work for him, for free. I'd never be where I am now without my mentors, who became my associate on few others projects.
 
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I told @A_Random_Guy I was going to make a thread on effectively learning about topics, but writing thread takes a long time so I'll just post here.
...

Thanks @ChrisV !

You gave us a huge value with your criteria and tools.
You have my respect.

So don't take what I write below as a criticism:
I am just going to tease you gently ;-)

And the rest of my post just shows how effective your criteria and search tools are!!!

So the rest of the post is just a digression on the website you analyse.

My reason to take the time to write this:

I don't want your post to indirectly spread the belief that meat is good for us.
Because I believe that reducing meat consumption can help people improve their health ;-)

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So here are your suggested criteria to distinguish fact from personal opinions:

Watch for the following: Bombastic, emotional tone.
Subjective statements. Overconfidence. Personal opinions.[...and]
Legitimate sources always note when they're presenting their opinion rather than factual information.
Bullshitters present their opinions as facts.


In the light of those criteria, below is the part of your post that made me smile:


At first glance, the site seems legit enough. He analyses nutrition studies. Until you start watching the videos and start realizing that every video supports the hypothesis "plant based diets cure disease" and "meats are the devil."
This is a more subtle example of bullshit
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[...]
All he does is pour on more and more evidence that humans are natural herbivores (which is utter nonsense.)

Would that be emotional tone?
Subjective statements?
Personal opinions? ;-)

Is that a fact that you are 100% sure of?

My opinion/ belief on the topic of meat:
Meat is a "last resort" food for humans.
We can process it, but it's far from ideal.
So in winter when there is no delicious fruit around and plants are hard to find, then yes, we can survive on the occasional meat, going "keto" during that limited period.

"Plant-based diet" is the terms he uses on his website, not "herbivore".
The term "herbivore"could influence readers to believe that he means that humans are only meant to eat grass, herbs,...

And the definition in wikipedia is:
"A plant-based diet is a diet consisting mostly or entirely of foods derived from plants, including vegetables, grains, nuts, seeds, legumes and fruits, and with few or no animal products.[1][2][3][4] "
Source: Plant-based diet - Wikipedia

So, not that extreme a diet.

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Now is the time to put your own recommended search tools to the test!

Doing a search on the simple keyword "meat" the first articles that pop up discuss the relation between eating meat and health risk:


32832


32833

I love it.

Thanks again for your methods and tools ! :)

Now it's up to you to decide if you want to reconsider your view on meat/plant-based diet and on the website NutritionFacts.org | The Latest in Nutrition Related Research ;-)

Cheers
 
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This is probably way off topic, and didn't mean for the topic to go in this direction, but the Omnivore vs Herbivore discussion isn't controversial among biologists. The scientific consensus is that we're Omnivores.

I'm not against vegetarianism or veganism as a personal choice one bit - but to say that 'humans in their natural habitat are herbivores' is contrary to the scientific consensus. If veganism is

Here's an excellent review:

Evolutionary Adaptations to Dietary Changes, Annu Rev Nutr. (2010) 30: 291–314.

The evolutionary history of hominins has been characterized by significant dietary changes, which include the introduction of meat eating, cooking, and the changes associated with plant and animal domestication.
(...)
Meat is a critical food resource for modern human hunter-gatherers, along with plant foods (...) The earliest evidence for meat-eating in hominins dates to ~2.5 Mya.
There seems to be a scientific consensus about the fact that the human digestive system has evolved to consume both animal and vegetal foods.

Humans are omnivores as they can eat and digest meat. That fact itself is evidence that we're herbivores. You won't see a Tiger eating leaves, and you won't see a dear cannibalizing a mouse. Humans before modern society were hunter/gatherers. We have canine teeth for eating meat. Sure, people can intentionally limit their diet to plants only but from a purely biological perspective humans are omnivores.

A better search would have been this:

32837

I didn't mean to start a big thing on it, it was simply one example.
 

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