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What are the advantages of being German?

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it is.. construction work is booming (still...) but next to nobody want to learn these jobs nowadays (cause the pay isnt good. dont know why these companys dont pay more... most "blue collar" jobs are of the "we always did it that way" and the "when i was young it was good.. then it is good today" way of thinking
customer pays 50€, 19% vat->42, health insurance, levy, machine-hour 50%->21, man wants to earn 17€, rest is 4€, minus income tax =2€. If you have a roofers business, you earn 2 € for your workers hour. For your work to manage.
And 17€ for the worker is .... ridiculous.

A dream.....
 

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you have to have the residence out of Europe to have the advantages of not to be here.
100% bull.

I started out without any residence out of Europe. You are probably limiting yourself with your mindset.
 

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Coming from Austria this is my point of view:
  • almost no cost for university (which is pretty big compared to other western countrys)
  • as @Andy Black already mentioned, the german market is usually behind the english speaking market
  • no earthquakes, tsunamis, hurricanes or things like that - pretty good climate over all
  • medical care is pretty much free for everyone
  • extremely good quality of drinking water - where else could you get that?
It's easy to only focus on the disadvantages, but I think there are pros and cons in every country.
 

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100% bull.

I started out without any residence out of Europe. You are probably limiting yourself with your mindset.
yes, maybe your right! but restricting laws speek about "if you have your residence in..., than...."
but maybe I m a bit too frustrated about some things.
 

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Whoops - googled that and David Hasselhoff is actually American, only with a German background.

I always thought he was born in Germany.
They still love him though!

Sie lieben die Hoff!

or

Sie lieben der Hoff!

or

Sie lieben das Hoff!


Nobody knows, not even the Germans, and if they do know, they can't tell you why. Ah the mysteries of Der/Die/Das. Lolz :-D
 

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As we are compatriots, I ll try to make just a brainstorm:

Well, maybe, you can go to America and open a Bavarian Tavern and sell Schweinshaxe mit Knödel und Obaztn. Or a kiosk with Würstel mit Kraut (sausages with cabbage).
When you are good at all, you can sell franchises.

Btw. I m looking, too. But the disadvantages are much faster coming into my mind. I only say Dsgvo! But if you are a lawyer, it could be a bonanza, too.

In Germany you get everything very cheap, so selling something cheaper is nearly not possible. Hard life for sellers as everyone searches for hours to get anything as cheap as possible. And more in times of internet.
Also German cars, my niece who lives in New York tells me that there is a good market for VW/BMW especially, and the mark up will allow you to make a profit.
 

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If Airbnb and Uber were invented in Germany. We would never have them. Too much bureaucracy and regulation.
Thats unfortunately so true. Germany is WAY to overregulated.
There are so many stupid laws and regulations which make it really entrepreneur unfriendly.

From GDPR to forced (and mandatory to be paid depending on your revenue) memberships in organistations like Chamber of Commerce and Industry and Environmental compliance laws, there are so many pickpockets that want to have a peace of the pie. It cripples a lot people before the can really grow.

Taxsystem is a catastrophe.
And now since the politicians have gone full retard on the Greta Hype they use this to introduce even more taxes and regulations.
Killing a lot companies in the energy sector(switching from atom & coal before even having an alternative) and automobil sector in the process. So industry will be going downhill quickly. Thats also show in the sacking of tens of thousands of people in this sectors.

More and more highly skilled people are fed up with this and are leaving. Which will increse the situation.

And while the infrastructure in Germany is going more and more to the shitter A. Merkel is giving out money to the whole world.

For example
 
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Whoops - googled that and David Hasselhoff is actually American, only with a German background.

I always thought he was born in Germany.
Don't worry, no American is going to be upset with you. :rofl:
 

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Coming from Austria this is my point of view:
  • medical care is pretty much free for everyone

The "free" is a myth. You pay it via taxes and other social security contributions. And then you have to pay additional payments if you go to the doctor or the pharmacy.

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The "free" is a myth. You pay it via taxes and other social security contributions. And then you have to pay additional payments if you go to the doctor or the pharmacy.

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a short excurse at medicals:


In Germany the employee automatically pays 14.6% of income and another 14.6% pays the employer.
If the employee earns more than about 50000€, he can make a privat insurance instead. Its cheaper, when young, more expensive when older. at 54, I pay about 10000€ per year. Half of it pays the employer.

What is right: medical care is ery good and everyone has that, because its mandatory,

whats wrong : its of course not free at all!
 

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They still love him though!

Sie lieben die Hoff!

or

Sie lieben der Hoff!

or

Sie lieben das Hoff!


Nobody knows, not even the Germans, and if they do know, they can't tell you why. Ah the mysteries of Der/Die/Das. Lolz :-D
No, in German its not that easy!

Its : Sie lieben den Hoff! Besause hes male and its akkusativ!;)
 

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Thats unfortunately so true. Germany is WAY to overregulated.
There are so many stupid laws and regulations which make it really entrepreneur unfriendly.

From GDPR to forced (and mandatory to be paid depending on your revenue) memberships in organistations like Chamber of Commerce and Industry and Environmental compliance laws, there are so many pickpockets that want to have a peace of the pie. It cripples a lot people before the can really grow.

Taxsystem is a catastrophe.
And now since the politicians have gone full retard on the Greta Hype they use this to introduce even more taxes and regulations.
Killing a lot companies in the energy sector(switching from atom & coal before even having an alternative) and automobil sector in the process. So industry will be going downhill quickly. Thats also show in the sacking of tens of thousands of people in this sectors.

More and more highly skilled people are fed up with this and are leaving. Which will increse the situation.

And while the infrastructure in Germany is going more and more to the shitter A. Merkel is giving out money to the whole world.

For example
Yes, these are the reasons, why here often Germans ask questions and lateron it seems, that they don’t care about given advices.
often its just nearly impossible to follow.
always a high intrance criteria though!
 

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Are you familiar with "the German Brothers"?


The Samwer brothers, who I heard of many years ago, basically take popular concepts in e.g. America and they create it for Europe/Germany and sell it back to the company(ies) they "copied" it from.

In other words, what exists in e.g. America that doesn't exist in Germany?

Find as many things as you can, then list them all.

From there look at how each could be executed and then start doing some research on your market to determine if it is something that the Germans demand.
 

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Ragulations!
I see it in that way: if you want to adress people in US, you make a wesite and just do it.
When you do that in Ger, you first of all will pay a lot of penalty.
Its not that easy here!
I do that all the time - no penalties... you just should know what is a go and what is a no go. there are shitty "penalties" in the US as well (ADA Lawsuits against Websites e.g.)
 
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The "free" is a myth. You pay it via taxes and other social security contributions. And then you have to pay additional payments if you go to the doctor or the pharmacy.

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Well that may be true.
But I don't know any person my age that had to take on an absurd amount of debt for "education", while it's pretty common in north america.
So yeah, instead of taking on debt at a young age I think I'd rather take the taxes (although I think both is pretty bad)
 

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Well that may be true.
But I don't know any person my age that had to take on an absurd amount of debt for "education", while it's pretty common in north america.
So yeah, instead of taking on debt at a young age I think I'd rather take the taxes (although I think both is pretty bad)
I was talking about the healthcare system.

And you´re right. Getting that much in debt at a young age might be a burden for the whole life.
 

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No, in German its not that easy!

Its : Sie lieben den Hoff! Besause hes male and its akkusativ!;)
Lolz, you are bringing back many German grammar nightmares for me!! Why did you have to introduce male, plural accusative??

I have asked many German people how I can work out in advance which form to use, like maybe some clues like in Spanish or Italian with word endings. They always just tell me that they just know, and can't give me any guidelines.

So, I just guess, and use whichever sounds good to me. I'm sure I sound funny to most Germans when I go there :happy:
 
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Are you familiar with "the German Brothers"?


The Samwer brothers, who I heard of many years ago, basically take popular concepts in e.g. America and they create it for Europe/Germany and sell it back to the company(ies) they "copied" it from.

In other words, what exists in e.g. America that doesn't exist in Germany?

Find as many things as you can, then list them all.

From there look at how each could be executed and then start doing some research on your market to determine if it is something that the Germans demand.
Those guys are A-holes, they basically copy an idea that you haven't patented in Germany and then try and blackmail you into buying it from them. I think the first one they did was PayPal.

By the sounds of it though, they have huge budgets and always did. They probably need a good amount to use for legal fees.
 

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Lolz, you are bringing back many German grammar nightmares for me!! Why did you have to introduce male, plural accusative??

I have asked many German people how I can work out in advance which form to use, like maybe some clues like in Spanish or Italian with word endings. They always just tell me that they just know, and can't give me any guidelines.

So, I just guess, and use whichever sounds good to me. I'm sure I sound funny to most Germans when I go there :happy:
There are really no set-in-stone guidelines mostly for these types of situations in Germany. In fact, even many Germans make lots of grammar mistakes daily because they do not focus on speaking correctly, so don't worry about sounding funny to most Germans.

On the other hand, Germans are quick to change to speaking English with you if they feel that you are struggling with speaking German ~fluently~ :-D
 

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On the other hand, Germans are quick to change to speaking English with you if they feel that you are struggling with speaking German ~fluently~ :-D
For this reason I want to learn even more! :)
 

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-Work Ethic.
-Strong passport.
-Doing business with Austria, Switzerland, Luxembourg (rich countries).
-Good reputation from being from a strong country (this can sound silly but when you tell people you are from a rich country they see you differentely, if you do not believe me next thing you meet someone tell them you are from a poor country and see the difference).
-In demand language. This can be useful to bond with people or become a language teacher if you wish too ( or more fastlane develop your own german language school lol).
 

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customer pays 50€, 19% vat->42, health insurance, levy, machine-hour 50%->21, man wants to earn 17€, rest is 4€, minus income tax =2€. If you have a roofers business, you earn 2 € for your workers hour. For your work to manage.
And 17€ for the worker is .... ridiculous.

A dream.....
Don't forget the church tax! Oh and solidarity Tax on top
 

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There are pros and cons in Germany, which can always be seen as cons and pros if you want to capitalize on it.

1) Germans have a gazillion bank holidays, these on top of normal vacation holidays (totals around 45 days per year here in Nordrhein-Westfalen). How they get anything done is a miracle to me.
Look at the personalized photo sock business as an example, they sell as much in the weeks up to Christmas as they do the whole rest of the year. Can you capitalize on all these German national holidays?

2) Germans for the most part tend to be affluent with their money (feinschmeckers) when compared to other surrounding nations. They eat out frequently, drink as much beer as the Irish and stay in a hotels 10 minutes down the road from their house because... no idea, seems crazy to me. They prefer spending their cash on quality goods rather crap imports. Money is power in Germany, for example one's car is your status symbol for ALOT of people, can you exploit the symbols of affluence?

3) Mortgages for a second house are really cheap (compared to the Netherlands), houses are bloody cheap when compared to the Netherlands. Buy-to-Let is also possible. Can you exploit this?

4) you don't actually need to cook a bratwurst, still amazes me :)
 

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I'm German and left Germany almost 5 years ago. The high taxation and regulations were driving me mad. That being said, Germany is awesome if you are visiting as a tourist and you have no involvement whatsoever with the authorities. I'm visiting 1-2 a year and love it this way. Also, all successful German entrepreneurs that I personally know, have left and are living in Asia, Bulgaria, Dubai or other low tax and business friendly countries. Personally, I don't see many advantages in being German, other than the strong passport that allows me to travel to almost any country.
 

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PS: Sorry for the double post, it was unintentional.

Any other German entrepreneurs here?
 
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High engineering standards. I wish there was more german tech. Why doesn't germany makes smartphones and routers...
 

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Thats unfortunately so true. Germany is WAY to overregulated.
There are so many stupid laws and regulations which make it really entrepreneur unfriendly.

From GDPR to forced (and mandatory to be paid depending on your revenue) memberships in organistations like Chamber of Commerce and Industry and Environmental compliance laws, there are so many pickpockets that want to have a peace of the pie. It cripples a lot people before the can really grow.

Taxsystem is a catastrophe.
And now since the politicians have gone full retard on the Greta Hype they use this to introduce even more taxes and regulations.
Killing a lot companies in the energy sector(switching from atom & coal before even having an alternative) and automobil sector in the process. So industry will be going downhill quickly. Thats also show in the sacking of tens of thousands of people in this sectors.

More and more highly skilled people are fed up with this and are leaving. Which will increse the situation.

And while the infrastructure in Germany is going more and more to the shitter A. Merkel is giving out money to the whole world.

For example

I agree with you on many points here!
Germany is highly overregulated and the law is king everywhere! Even in first line of the national anthem: "Einigkeit und Recht und Freiheit" (translated: "Unity and Law and (then) Freedom).
Translated into reality, it means that you have to comply with any law before you even start your own business or to work as a free-lancer and there are many! Believe me, I was there and it was one of the reasons why I left this country as a German. There plenty of lawyers whose business model is the following: to give you fines and that as much as possible! Fines for small mistakes in GDPR forms on your homepage or because your Impressum is not the correct one in your Amazon profile. It happened to one of my friends even that a lawyer has registered his Amazon brand, one week before he did it himself! The result was that he wanted to have all revenues from this brand, because "he was first" ? As a young company / start-up, you will always lose if you need to hire a German lawyer for min 300€/ h in order to compete with this corporate lawyer who is doing it for nothing.....

Besides the good thinks like strong engineering and hard skills, I would like to add that Germans are missing on emotional intelligence. I had to move out of Germany to realize it.

Cheers from Malta
Mateusz
 

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An old girlfriend of mine was German, but her parents were from Myanmar and emigrated to Bremerhaven before she was born.

Her dad moved back to Myanmar when their economy started opening up a few years ago to sell German products he would send over. Although that is a bit of a more unique situation.
 

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