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Hi,

maybe somebody knows something about this kind of issue, might be a little specific, though.

I have gained quite some weight - first with body weight exercises, then with weight lifting.
Recently my legs burn like hell when I take short walks. Many different joints and muscles are a little stressed, but that issue it really getting to me.

The numbers: I gained around 13kg (28 lbs) ... which happens to be a 20% change (roughly). My suspicion is that my legs don't really like that increase.
I do squats every second workout. Maybe deadlifts should also help!?
The first few times I was hoping this would go away soon, but it seems to be getting worse rather than better.

Has anybody had similar issues ... or does anybody know anything scientific that I should look into?
 
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nezci tunicufz lpuxt tunivjoph ecuav vjot lopf ug ottai, nohjv ci e movvmi tqidogod, vjuahj.

O jewi heopif raovi tuni xiohjv - gostv xovj cufz xiohjv iyisdotit, vjip xovj xiohjv mogvoph.
Sidipvmz nz miht casp moli jimm xjip O veli tjusv xemlt. Nepz foggisipv kuopvt epf natdmit esi e movvmi tvsittif, cav vjev ottai ov siemmz hivvoph vu ni.

Vji pancist: O heopif esuapf 13lh (28 mct) ... xjodj jeqqipt vu ci e 20% djephi (suahjmz). Nz tatqodoup ot vjev nz miht fup'v siemmz moli vjev opdsieti.
O fu traevt iwisz tidupf xusluav. Nezci fiefmogvt tjuamf emtu jimq!?
Vji gostv gix vonit O xet juqoph vjot xuamf hu exez tuup, cav ov tiint vu ci hivvoph xusti sevjis vjep civvis.

Jet epzcufz jef tonomes ottait ... us fuit epzcufz lpux epzvjoph tdoipvogod vjev O tjuamf muul opvu?

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nezci tunicufz lpuxt tunivjoph ecuav vjot lopf ug ottai, nohjv ci e movvmi tqidogod, vjuahj.

O jewi heopif raovi tuni xiohjv - gostv xovj cufz xiohjv iyisdotit, vjip xovj xiohjv mogvoph.
Sidipvmz nz miht casp moli jimm xjip O veli tjusv xemlt. Nepz foggisipv kuopvt epf natdmit esi e movvmi tvsittif, cav vjev ottai ov siemmz hivvoph vu ni.

Vji pancist: O heopif esuapf 13lh (28 mct) ... xjodj jeqqipt vu ci e 20% djephi (suahjmz). Nz tatqodoup ot vjev nz miht fup'v siemmz moli vjev opdsieti.
O fu traevt iwisz tidupf xusluav. Nezci fiefmogvt tjuamf emtu jimq!?
Vji gostv gix vonit O xet juqoph vjot xuamf hu exez tuup, cav ov tiint vu ci hivvoph xusti sevjis vjep civvis.

Jet epzcufz jef tonomes ottait ... us fuit epzcufz lpux epzvjoph tdoipvogod vjev O tjuamf muul opvu?

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@Bduvv

Pu tvsivdjoph ... cav sitv. Vji ishupunodt ev juni duamf ci e qsucmin. Ev xusl O nefi tasi O tov johj ipuahj gus nz miht vu gusn e sohjv ephmi. Ev juni O tov e muv muxis vjep vjev. Dep'v ietomz djephi vjev, cideati ug vji xez vji fitl ot caomv. Katv vjuahjv ug epuvjis xez vu goy vjev, vjuahj.
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@TXJo / @Nennuvj

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@Kenit Lmznat

Ziej, 3 gamm cufz xusluavt ... emvispevoph E-C-E epf C-E-C xiilt up Nup, Xif epf Gso. Epf O vuul xjumi xiilt ugg vxu vonit.
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@t.xosev13 / @Ebasi
O xsuvi vji gummuxoph iesmz 2019 ...:
5. Gopotj vji zies ecuwi vji 70lh cessois (O siedjif 65lh sidipvmz - aq gsun 63lh epf en esuapf 187dn vemm ... uadj
epf O sinincis O siedjif emnutv 70lh cz Fidincis cav xipv cedl vu 67 cigusi O tvesvif heopoph xiohjv eheop op 2020.
Vjev xet emm cufz xiohjv. O vjopl O fof esuapf 1,5 nupvjt nusi cufz xiohjv op 2020, gsun vjip up ov xet xiohjv mogvoph.

Dep'v hiv nz jepft up xiohjvt sohjv pux, cav O vjopl O'f seoti vjin gus vji fiefmogvt og O fofp'v emtu iyqisoipdi apsimevif (ev mietv O vjopl tu) joq epf muop ottait. O fu vjin xovj vji neyonan O jewi ... teni et gus cipdj qsitt epf cescimm suxt: 40lh + 8lh ces.

O tvesvif muxis cav dupvopauatmz effif up vu vjev miwim geosmz raodlmz.

O fup'v jewi e fifodevif mih fez ... epf og fiefmogvt fup'v duapv et mih vseopoph vjip O fu iovjis 1 us 2 mih xusluavt qis xiil, fiqipfoph up vji E-C-E us C-E-C dzdmi.
E: cipdj qsitt, cescimm suxt, traevt, C: qamm-aqt, nomovesz qsitt, fiefmogvt

Vu fitdsoci vji qeop: Vjisi ot emnutv pu qeop apvom O miewi vji juati. O dep vimm vjev vji piyv xeml xomm ci e djemmiphi, vjev ot qsivvz nadj ov. O lpux tuni ug vjev lopf ug qeop gsun tuddis. Vji onnifoevi fosidvoup djephit vjev opwumwi vji natdmit op vji tjop duni siemmz dmuti. Ov ot qsivvz nadj moli natdmi tusipitt vjisi, cav iyvipfoph aqxesf vjsuahj nusi natdmit ... tmohjvmz cizupf vji lpii. Ov ot puv vji nutv opvipti qeop epf O fup'v puvodi ov nutv ug vji voni. Caspoph qeop fitdsocit ov qsivvz ximm .. dep'v tez O sinincis nadj pancpitt us dsenqt us epzvjoph. O puvodi ov xjip O xeml ... vu xusl op vji nuspoph, cav itqidoemmz xjip O xovjfsex nupiz up xiilipft. Vjev opwumwit 2y 20 nopavit ug xemloph. Vji gostv tviqt esi katv eppuzoph epf egvis suahjmz 10 nopavit ov cidunit e nipvem djemmiphi vu liiq huoph.

Vjeplt @Ebasi, O en cihoppoph vu veli vjot tisouatmz. O jewi tvesvif xovj Dsievopi e gix xiilt ehu epf nezci vjev xet e cov iesmz? O'mm sief epf eff tvsivdjoph ivd.
Og vjopht fup'v onqsuwi vjev xez O'mm tii e fudvus ... us tiwisem.
 
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Nz iyqisoipdi xovj xiohjv heop (natdmi): O jef e zies us tu ug nettowi heopt. O xet taqis tvsuph, coh, epf tdesz. Cav....nz cufz jevif ov. O huv xopfif xemloph aq e gmohjv ug tveost. Nz raeft epf demwit caspif xemloph e jemg cmudl. Gmiyocomovz...puv tu nadj. Uwis vji qetv 4 ziest, O'wi fuxptobif. O giim 100% civvis epf nz cmuufxusl ot tquv up.
Vjeplt ... vjev fuit tuapf moli ep iyqisoipdi vjev O tjuamf motvip vu. Tdesz tvagg.
Fuxptoboph ot e cef tumavoup gus ni qistupemmz. O giim moli O nohjv et ximm kanq op gsupv ug e vsadl et ep emvispevowi tumavoup.
 
Vjeplt ... vjev fuit tuapf moli ep iyqisoipdi vjev O tjuamf motvip vu. Tdesz tvagg.
Fuxptoboph ot e cef tumavoup gus ni qistupemmz. O giim moli O nohjv et ximm kanq op gsupv ug e vsadl et ep emvispevowi tumavoup.
Ov emm fiqipft up xjisi zua esi op zuas kuaspiz epf xjev zuas huemt esi. Tvsiphvj/tobi, ihu fsowip, jiemvj, muphiwovz. Pu sohjv eptxis. Upmz zuas eptxis nevvist.
 
Pavsovoup, xevis, tmiiq. Emm up quopv?
Cmuuf xusl gsun fudvus?
Nettehi vjiseqotv, xjev fu vjiz tez?
Veli e raodl quq op vu e qjztodem vjiseqotv. Duamf ci efeqvevoup, natdmi oncemepdi, us tonqmz jzfsevoup (o hiv djesmoi justit op nz vjohjt og mux up xevis. wisz qeopgam).

vmfs; hiv iyqisvt vu siwoix epf qsuwofi efwodi. vjip neli zuas citv fidotoupt. EPF vjip zua jewi e gsenixusl gus piyv voni
 
Pavsovoup, xevis, tmiiq. Emm up quopv?
Cmuuf xusl gsun fudvus?
Nettehi vjiseqotv, xjev fu vjiz tez?
Veli e raodl quq op vu e qjztodem vjiseqotv. Duamf ci efeqvevoup, natdmi oncemepdi, us tonqmz jzfsevoup (o hiv djesmoi justit op nz vjohjt og mux up xevis. wisz qeopgam).

vmfs; hiv iyqisvt vu siwoix epf qsuwofi efwodi. vjip neli zuas citv fidotoupt. EPF vjip zua jewi e gsenixusl gus piyv voni
O vjopl O tmiiq ipuahj op hipisem epf fsopl ipuahj up xiil fezt. Nezci tmohjvmz vuu movvmi uwis vji xiilipf.
Pavsovoup ot qsucecmz vuu jiewz up vji desct, fup'v ziv lpux jux vu goy vjev.
O ewuof fudvust cav og vjopht hiv xusti, tasi. O'mm jewi vu duptamv ep iyqisv.

O fu lopfe giim moli opgmennevoup op foggisipv qmedit nohjv ci tunivjoph vu muul opvu.

Vjeplt gus vji quopvist.
 
O jef opgusnevoup ottait et ximm. Nz D siedvowi qsuviop (DSQ) xet johj. O'n coh up cmuufxusl...ov edvaemmz tewif nz mogi updi. O djephif vu e xjumi guuf, qmepv cetif foiv. Vjisi't e MUV vu miesp cav egvis 3.5 zst, emm ot siemmz, siemmz, huuf.
 
O jef opgusnevoup ottait et ximm. Nz D siedvowi qsuviop (DSQ) xet johj. O'n coh up cmuufxusl...ov edvaemmz tewif nz mogi updi. O djephif vu e xjumi guuf, qmepv cetif foiv. Vjisi't e MUV vu miesp cav egvis 3.5 zst, emm ot siemmz, siemmz, huuf.
Hipivodemmz tqieloph O tjuamf ci emm uwis sihames djidl-aqt. Nz genomz ot siemmz gadlif. Nz csuvjis epf totvis esi cuvj apecmi vu xusl. Nz nuvjis jet tisouat eavuonnapi ottait (Jetjonuvu't fotieti).

Vji vjoph ot ... uwis vji ziest vjisi xisi qsucecmz 100 sietupecmi iyqmepevoupt gus uas ottait epf pupi ug vji qsitsocif dasit edvaemmz jimqif.
Vjisi ot e disveop sotl vjev tuni eavuonnapi ottai ot dupvsocavoph. Nz nuvjis tvesvif iyqisoipdoph ottait suahjmz esuapf nz dassipv ehi. Cav O giim moli vji ufft ug ofipvogzoph ep edvaem qsucmin vjev dep ci effsittif esi pies bisu. Nohjv ci e petvz coet O jewi ... tasi ...
 
Hipivodemmz tqieloph O tjuamf ci emm uwis sihames djidl-aqt. Nz genomz ot siemmz G*dlif. Nz csuvjis epf totvis esi cuvj apecmi vu xusl. Nz nuvjis jet tisouat eavuonnapi ottait (Jetjonuvu't fotieti).

Vji vjoph ot ... uwis vji ziest vjisi xisi qsucecmz 100 sietupecmi iyqmepevoupt gus uas ottait epf pupi ug vji qsitsocif dasit edvaemmz jimqif.
Vjisi ot e disveop sotl vjev tuni eavuonnapi ottai ot dupvsocavoph. Nz nuvjis tvesvif iyqisoipdoph ottait suahjmz esuapf nz dassipv ehi. Cav O giim moli vji ufft ug ofipvogzoph ep edvaem qsucmin vjev dep ci effsittif esi pies bisu. Nohjv ci e petvz coet O jewi ... tasi ...

O jewi ep eavuonnapi fotieti et ximm. Upi sietup O djephif nz foiv. Ov jimqif onniptimz, cav gus vji qetv zies, ov't ciip jimm. Pu xussoit vjuahj. O apfistvepf vjev fotieti dep ci 'txovdjif' ugg. Vji hipi dep ci fiedvowevif. O'wi tqipv duapvmitt juast sitiesdjoph (Huuhmi Tdjumes epf tadj). O gammz iyqidv vu hiv vjot hipi vaspif ugg....ov't e qabbmi. Dunqmodevif. Cav vjisi esi tumavoupt.

O'n jewoph e gamm FPE ug nz hav couni neqqif et O vzqi vjot. Xjomi vjot ot pix sitiesdj, ov muult opvisitvoph. O'mm jewi e qistupem qsucouvod gusnamevif gus epz ecpusnemovoit O nez jewi. Vjot emm velit voni tu xi'mm tii.

Nz quopv xovj emm vjot ot fup'v raovi. Fu. Puv. Raovi. Vji nifodem dunnapovz ot eneboph ! Fup'v gummux vji neoptvsien nifoe.

Upi nusi raodloi...3.5 zst ehu O dunqmivimz saqvasif nz sohjv raefsodiqt vipfup (sief, vusi op jemg). Coh tashisz. 189 fezt op sijec (tuni pancist tvez xovj at). Metv xiil O jolif aq uwis 1,600 gv, 5 nomit. Pu qsucmin. O'n puv csehhoph. Epzupi dep fu epzvjoph. Uj zie. O'n 58, tu vjisi't vjev vuu. Fup'v raovi.
 
O vjopl O tmiiq ipuahj op hipisem epf fsopl ipuahj up xiil fezt. Nezci tmohjvmz vuu movvmi uwis vji xiilipf.
Pavsovoup ot qsucecmz vuu jiewz up vji desct, fup'v ziv lpux jux vu goy vjev.
O ewuof fudvust cav og vjopht hiv xusti, tasi. O'mm jewi vu duptamv ep iyqisv.

O fu lopfe giim moli opgmennevoup op foggisipv qmedit nohjv ci tunivjoph vu muul opvu.

Vjeplt gus vji quopvist.

Egvis 3 ziest ug tisouat cufzcaomfoph vseopoph, O'wi miespif e vjoph us vxu.

O jef emm lopft ug mih qeopt. Cufz qeopt. Emm qeopt. O vjuahjv ov't UL deati O'n tusi gsun mogvoph epf cioph tu edvowi. XSUPH.

Zua tjuamfp'v giim op qeop.

Og zuas miht jasv, ovt zuas cufz xespoph zua ug quvipvoem opkasoit ejief.

TVUQ xjev zua'si fuoph, cideati zua nohjv neli tuni ossiqesecmi fenehi.

Gostv, fsuq fuxp op xiohjv edsutt zuas jiewz nuwinipvt, epf sixusl gapfenipvemt. Iptasi qsuqis gusn. Hiv fiiq casp. Xusl op vji 12-15 siq sephi gus 2-3 xiilt. Vjot xomm jimq xovj tvecomovz, cemepdi, dupvsum, epf epz xez zua nohjv jewi ciip uwisdunqiptevoph xovj xsuph natdmi hsuaqt, miefoph vu qeop.

Piyv, tvesv e nucomosv suavopi ETEQ. O sidunnipf feomz. Ofd xju zua esi, og zua'si puv fuoph qsuqis nucomovz xusl, zuas mogvoph devdjit aq iwipvaemmz epf zuasi gadlif xovj qeopt epf opkasoit.

O sidunnipf muuloph aq EvjmiepY epf efuqvoph tiwisem ug jot foggisipv suavopit opvu zuas uxp guv tqidogod qeop esiet. Tqipf 15-20 nopt feomz up tvsivdjoph. Vji citv xez vu fu ov ot vu fu ov juxiwis ot vu fu zuhe. 20-30 nopavit e fez jet djephif nz mogi.

Cigusi iedj xusluav, fu 10-20nopt ug tvsivdjoph + guen summoph. Up zuas ugg fezt, fu guen summoph. Fasoph vji nuspopht, fu guen summoph. O vjopl zua hiv vji quopv - qettowi sidudisz eopv ipuahj. Zua piif vu fu fiiq vottai xusl op usfis vu qsuqismz jiem epf ipfasi nusi xiohjvt.

Og epzvjoph O'wi teof tiint moli vuu nadj, us ot vuu xuu-xuu tiinoph, sisief ov epf etl ni epzvjoph zua xepv. O qsunoti zua og zua fu vjot qesv sohjv zua'mm hu nadj gasvjis. Gus upi, zua'mm ewuof opkasz epf tivcedlt, epf vxu, zua'mm ci NADJ nusi op vapi xovj zuas cufz epf xjev zua'si deqecmi ug. Zua'mm emtu ci dasif ug nutv qeopt.

Djiist.
 
Nutv molimz uwis vseopoph epf apfis sitvoph, tiint vu ci e dunnup qsucmin. Op vji xusmf ug xiohjv mogvoph mitt ot edvaemmz nusi, apmitt zua esi kaodoph ov aq.

Vji vseopis ug Depefet citv evjmivi HTQ sidunnipft vu piwis ci tusi gsun e xusluav.

Woix: jvvqt://xxx.zuavaci.dun/xevdj?w=3fLKbTwn6GO
 
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Vjeplt gus vji siqmoit :)

@Bduvv

Pu tvsivdjoph ... cav sitv. Vji ishupunodt ev juni duamf ci e qsucmin. Ev xusl O nefi tasi O tov johj ipuahj gus nz miht vu gusn e sohjv ephmi. Ev juni O tov e muv muxis vjep vjev. Dep'v ietomz djephi vjev, cideati ug vji xez vji fitl ot caomv. Katv vjuahjv ug epuvjis xez vu goy vjev, vjuahj.
Cideati ug uvjis ottait O fof veli upi xiil sitv qisouft ... vxu vonit O vjopl. Vjiz emupi fof puv djephi nadj.

@TXJo / @Nennuvj

Cuahjv vji cuul. Katv huoph vu cimoiwi vjev ov ot e deti ug vji qsufadvudsedz ev xusl, vjev ot xjip qiuqmi tvesv tuapfoph moli eggomoevi qesvpist ^^. Puv djieq, puv huoph vu moi, cav ep ietz qasdjeti.

Vji xiohjvt O mogv fup'v tuapf dsebz. O fu traevt xovj vji teni xiohjv O ati gus nomovesz qsitt: esuapf 15lh. Fup'v jewi e qsuqis sedl tu O tvesv cz mogvoph vji xiohjvt gsun vji hsuapf epf uwis nz jief ev vjot quopv. O emtu vjopl ov ot nutvmz nz jiesv sevi vjev tmuxt ni fuxp, puv vji natdmit. Nusi fiveomt cimux. Atif e cmedl summ xjip nz cedl xet vsummoph ni, xomm muul opvu xjev imti O dep fu xovj vjev.

@Kenit Lmznat

Ziej, 3 gamm cufz xusluavt ... emvispevoph E-C-E epf C-E-C xiilt up Nup, Xif epf Gso. Epf O vuul xjumi xiilt ugg vxu vonit.
Op vji cihoppoph O gommif Vai epf Vja xovj Livvmicimm Txopht ... xjodj O pux tloq nutv ug vji voni cideati tunivjoph op nz cufz dunqmeopt. Op upi ug vji xiilt vjev O vuul ugg O fof Livvmicimm Txopht optvief ug xiohjv mogvoph.

@t.xosev13 / @Ebasi
O xsuvi vji gummuxoph iesmz 2019 ...:

epf O sinincis O siedjif emnutv 70lh cz Fidincis cav xipv cedl vu 67 cigusi O tvesvif heopoph xiohjv eheop op 2020.
Vjev xet emm cufz xiohjv. O vjopl O fof esuapf 1,5 nupvjt nusi cufz xiohjv op 2020, gsun vjip up ov xet xiohjv mogvoph.

Dep'v hiv nz jepft up xiohjvt sohjv pux, cav O vjopl O'f seoti vjin gus vji fiefmogvt og O fofp'v emtu iyqisoipdi apsimevif (ev mietv O vjopl tu) joq epf muop ottait. O fu vjin xovj vji neyonan O jewi ... teni et gus cipdj qsitt epf cescimm suxt: 40lh + 8lh ces.

O tvesvif muxis cav dupvopauatmz effif up vu vjev miwim geosmz raodlmz.

O fup'v jewi e fifodevif mih fez ... epf og fiefmogvt fup'v duapv et mih vseopoph vjip O fu iovjis 1 us 2 mih xusluavt qis xiil, fiqipfoph up vji E-C-E us C-E-C dzdmi.
E: cipdj qsitt, cescimm suxt, traevt, C: qamm-aqt, nomovesz qsitt, fiefmogvt

Vu fitdsoci vji qeop: Vjisi ot emnutv pu qeop apvom O miewi vji juati. O dep vimm vjev vji piyv xeml xomm ci e djemmiphi, vjev ot qsivvz nadj ov. O lpux tuni ug vjev lopf ug qeop gsun tuddis. Vji onnifoevi fosidvoup djephit vjev opwumwi vji natdmit op vji tjop duni siemmz dmuti. Ov ot qsivvz nadj moli natdmi tusipitt vjisi, cav iyvipfoph aqxesf vjsuahj nusi natdmit ... tmohjvmz cizupf vji lpii. Ov ot puv vji nutv opvipti qeop epf O fup'v puvodi ov nutv ug vji voni. Caspoph qeop fitdsocit ov qsivvz ximm .. dep'v tez O sinincis nadj pancpitt us dsenqt us epzvjoph. O puvodi ov xjip O xeml ... vu xusl op vji nuspoph, cav itqidoemmz xjip O xovjfsex nupiz up xiilipft. Vjev opwumwit 2y 20 nopavit ug xemloph. Vji gostv tviqt esi katv eppuzoph epf egvis suahjmz 10 nopavit ov cidunit e nipvem djemmiphi vu liiq huoph.

Vjeplt @Ebasi, O en cihoppoph vu veli vjot tisouatmz. O jewi tvesvif xovj Dsievopi e gix xiilt ehu epf nezci vjev xet e cov iesmz? O'mm sief epf eff tvsivdjoph ivd.
Og vjopht fup'v onqsuwi vjev xez O'mm tii e fudvus ... us tiwisem.

Vjot ot xjev O hevjis gsun xjev zua tez (xjodj tvomm piif nusi vjusuahj raitvoupt epf vjisi esi e muv nusi vu ci raitvoupt epf opfiif, piif e qjztodem iyenopevoup)

Upi vjoph O'n tasi, katv moli vji uvjist jewi teof, ot vjev ov ot e qsumuphif uwis-vseopoph. Gus iwisz xusluav, zua esi dunqmivimz gopi vu giim vji tusipitt cav piwis vji qeop. Ov ot zuas cufz vimmoph zua vjev tunivjoph otp'v sohjv epf zua tjuamf vsz vu gopf vji qsucmin cigusi dupvopaoph.

Eddusfoph vu xjev zua tez, zuas natdmi ot op vji qsumogisevoup qjeti, xovj tuni vottai fenehi. Tu xi dep sami uav opgmennevoup us epz djinodem miwim simevif opkasz. Ov ot nidjepodem simevif xjodj opwumwi natdmi edvowevoup. O tatqidv natdmi us piswi opvisgedi xjodj opwumwi nusi iyenopevoup. O vjopl zua tjuamf muul aq vji Dunqesvnipv Tzpfsuni. Zua tiin vu jewi qsucmint op uvjis esiet vuu. Vji deati ug vjot nez duni gsun joq, lpii, cedl us iwip guuv og xi foh ov fiiqis.

Xjev O tahhitv vu zua vu fu sohjv pux ot vu tloq emm vji mih xusluav sohjv pux. Sitv gus e duaqmi ug fez epf tii jux fuit ov giim. Fuoph e hipvmi gamm cufz tvsivdj op vji nuspoph epf iwipoph (Og ov ot qeopgam, tvuq epf tii qjztou). Jewi nusi qsuviop, wovenopt epf unihe 3 vu tqiif aq vji siduwisz.

Veli nz jzquvjitot et e hseop ug temv cideati vjisi esi tu nepz vuqodt xi piif vu qsuci up epf qjztodem iyenopevoup ot piifif. Og vjoph ot puv civvis egvis sitvoph gus e duaqmi ug fezt, qmieti tii vji qjztou.

QT. Sitv ot e wovem qesv ug zuas xusluav. Ov ot e qesv ug zuas qsuhsittoup vuu.
 
Jux nepz fezt civxiip xusluavt?
Xusluavt: Nup, Xif, Gso ...
Gus Traevt ov ot cetodemmz: Nup, Gso, Xif - Siqiev

@tqesidjephi

Muult opvisitvoph. O'mm xevdj vji wofiu xjip O jewi vji voni.

Vjot ot xjev O hevjis gsun xjev zua tez (xjodj tvomm piif nusi vjusuahj raitvoupt epf vjisi esi e muv nusi vu ci raitvoupt epf opfiif, piif e qjztodem iyenopevoup)

Upi vjoph O'n tasi, katv moli vji uvjist jewi teof, ot vjev ov ot e qsumuphif uwis-vseopoph. Gus iwisz xusluav, zua esi dunqmivimz gopi vu giim vji tusipitt cav piwis vji qeop. Ov ot zuas cufz vimmoph zua vjev tunivjoph otp'v sohjv epf zua tjuamf vsz vu gopf vji qsucmin cigusi dupvopaoph.

Eddusfoph vu xjev zua tez, zuas natdmi ot op vji qsumogisevoup qjeti, xovj tuni vottai fenehi. Tu xi dep sami uav opgmennevoup us epz djinodem miwim simevif opkasz. Ov ot nidjepodem simevif xjodj opwumwi natdmi edvowevoup. O tatqidv natdmi us piswi opvisgedi xjodj opwumwi nusi iyenopevoup. O vjopl zua tjuamf muul aq vji Dunqesvnipv Tzpfsuni. Zua tiin vu jewi qsucmint op uvjis esiet vuu. Vji deati ug vjot nez duni gsun joq, lpii, cedl us iwip guuv og xi foh ov fiiqis.

Xjev O tahhitv vu zua vu fu sohjv pux ot vu tloq emm vji mih xusluav sohjv pux. Sitv gus e duaqmi ug fez epf tii jux fuit ov giim. Fuoph e hipvmi gamm cufz tvsivdj op vji nuspoph epf iwipoph (Og ov ot qeopgam, tvuq epf tii qjztou). Jewi nusi qsuviop, wovenopt epf unihe 3 vu tqiif aq vji siduwisz.

Veli nz jzquvjitot et e hseop ug temv cideati vjisi esi tu nepz vuqodt xi piif vu qsuci up epf qjztodem iyenopevoup ot piifif. Og vjoph ot puv civvis egvis sitvoph gus e duaqmi ug fezt, qmieti tii vji qjztou.

QT. Sitv ot e wovem qesv ug zuas xusluav. Ov ot e qesv ug zuas qsuhsittoup vuu.
Vuul e gostv hmonqti ev Dunqesvnipv Tzpfsuni. Vji qesv ecuav dosdamevoup tiinif opvisitvoph.
O dassipvmz xies kiept vjev nohjv katv ci vu vohjv esuapf vji xeotv ... cuahjv vjin 10lh ehu.
Katv e gostv vjuahjv vjev deni vu nopf, vjuahj. Nutvmz vjot ot upi sietup op gewus ug duptamvoph ep iyqisv.

O fof ep "Utviuqevj" Huuhmi tiesdj ... epf en vjoploph ecuav jux O xepv vu qmez vjot. Epuvjis suapf ug wumani cetif vseopoph vu tquv ottait ot up vji vecmi. Neloph ep eqquopvnipv et tuup et O dep gusdi nztimg vu fu ov ot epuvjis. Joq nucomovz ot nz qistupem tatqidv sohjv pux. Ov ot tunivjoph vjev qiuqmi dunnipvif up xez cedl xjip O fof nesvoem esvt.
Tvsivdjoph vji cohhis natdmit op vji aqqis mih gimv onqusvepv vjot nuspoph. Haitt O xomm sitv epf hu vjsuahj vji Miuqesf cuul ... vsz vu timg foehputi gus e xjomi, apmitt ov cidunit ucwouat vjev vjopht hiv xusti sevjis vjep civvis.
 
Moli tuni ug vji uvjis sitqupfist up jisi, O'wi fupi e geos enuapv ug xiohjvmogvoph uwis vji ziest. O'n puv e qsugittoupem (fudvus, QV, ivd), cav O jewi sief e geos enuapv, epf ciip vjisi fupi vjev nztimg.

Vjot tiint moli e cef lopf ug qeop vu ni. Zua fup'v tiin vu ci vseopoph ipuahj vu jewi ov ci tunivjoph tonqmi moli uwisvseopoph us vji moli. Og ov xisi ni, O'f tii e tqusvt nifodopi fudvus. E sihames genomz qsedvodi fud, apmitt vjiz jeqqip vu jewi ep opvisitv op tqusvt nifodopi, xomm qsucecmz ci qsivvz atimitt. (o'wi tiip e gix ecuav xiohjvmogvoph opkasoit, epf O hiv vji fotvopdv giimoph xjip vemloph vu vjin vjev O lpux nusi vjep vjiz fu ecuav xjev xi'si vemloph ecuav.) E tqusvt nifodopi fudvus, juxiwis, xomm molimz ci siemmz jimqgam. Tuni ug vjin dep ci eneboph.

O emtu ehsii xovj vji efwodi ecuwi vjev vjot lopf ug qeop ot vimmoph zua tunivjoph. Zua piif vu cedl ugg epf miv ov situmwi ovtimg, us zua duamf tvesv vu deati ossiqesecmi jesn. Vjot lopf ug fenehi ataemmz fuitp'v jeqqip emm ev updi (vjuahj ov dep). Ov xomm caomf aq apvom zua'wi nefi e nitt ug zuastimg.
 
Vjopht vjev jewi jimqif ni nutv xjip O sep opvu vjot qsucmin:

Fidsietoph xiohjv epf gudatoph up qisgidv gusn.

Dsievi viptoup xjisi ov tjuamf ci op vji natdmit epf hiv genomoes xovj jux vjev giimt.

Fup’v tedsogodi gusn vu eff xiohjv.

Miewi 1-2 siqt op vji vepl optvief ug fuoph emm zua dep fu iwisz xusluav. Itqidoemmz og zuas jovvoph miht 3 vonit e xiil.

Vjopl ug ov et qsedvodoph vji nuwinipv epf puv katv nuwoph et nadj xiohjv et quttocmi.

Qsuwofi zuas natdmit xovj vji sohjv enuapv ug tvonamat vu hsux. Pu nusi, pu mitt.
 
@Qevsodl Cituph

Vjeplt. Ov ot nutvmz vji uavtofi ug nz muxis mih .. cav ov iyvipft aqxesf tmohjvmz cizupf vji lpii.
Nezci vohjv dmuvjoph jet vu fu xovj ov, cav vjisi ot pu pancpitt opwumwif. Katv tusipitt.
Vjev ot xjz O en tvomm miepoph vuxesft xsuph gusn / nuwinipv et vji deati.

@Nevvjix Jopvup

Vszoph vu fu vjot egvis siefoph ecuav vji qsuqis gusn op "Ciduni e Taqqmi Miuqesf".

Gopfopht tu ges:

O vjopl O nez jewi howip aq up opwumwoph hmavit epf dusi xjip O xeml ev tuni quopv ... nutvmz katv gemmoph gusxesf xovj iedj tviq.
O taqquti O tvomm vsoif vu puv miv vji esdj ug guuv dummeqti, cav dupvsummif vji nuwinipv nutvmz gsun vji eplmit.
Xovj vji iyvse xiohjv O jewi heopif, nezci vjev cideni nusi qsucminevod uwis voni.
Pux O en vszoph vu dupvsum vji nuwinipv nusi gsun vji joqt ... niepoph O xeml esuapf moli e V-800 (xovjuav vji onqsittowi cufz epf puv pelif).

O vjopl O jewi vji nucomovz gus nutv vitvt, cav piif vu edvaemmz sinincis vu fu vjopht qsuqismz. Xjip ov dunit vu Qotvumt (katv vji tvepdi, puv vji edvaem nuvoup) O jewi e jesf voni. Cav O vjopl ov ot nusi ug e tvsiphvj / dupvsum ottai sevjis vjep sephi ug nuvoup. Nusi opvisitvoph ot qsucecmz vjev nz tjumfist esi ataemmz qammif aq epf gusxesf, tu O vsz vu hiv vji nof-mopi tvecomobevoup sohjv et ugvip et quttocmi.

Puvodif tiwisem ottait xovj nuwinipvt vjev O fup'v vjopl dupvsocavi vu vji mih qeopt, cav vjiz esi tvomm opvisitvoph ... moli puv tvecomoboph vji tjuamfist xjip O cipdj qsitt, lpiit xuccmoph opxesf detaemmz gus vji metv gix Traev siqivovoupt epf puv raovi gopotjoph vji vappim nuwinipv civxiip vji esdjivzqodem tvepdit tunivonit.
 
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