University is making me sick

[jerryB]

GrandRub
There are some fields of programming which I find interesting for instance frontend development.
What gives me energy and motivation? Going to gym, learning foreign languages, creating music, teaching. Foreign languages is the thing I've always loved and have been able to learn them quite quickly. I feel like I have a great talent when it comes to languages and I want to do something in this area. I want to finally do things which I find interesting and I love doing ("love what you do"), instead of studying something that will give me the job I hate. It took me a few years to realize what I really want to do/achieve in life.

NursingTn
Thank you. What can I say, I can totally relate. I feel like a piece of shit doing this major in CS. My choice of this studies was based on financial reasons. I didn't even think that I wouldn't be able to tolerate it this much.

 

[GrandRub]

GrandRub
There are some fields of programming which I find interesting for instance frontend development.
What gives me energy and motivation? Going to gym, learning foreign languages, creating music, teaching. Foreign languages is the thing I've always loved and have been able to learn them quite quickly. I feel like I have a great talent when it comes to languages and I want to do something in this area. I want to finally do things which I find interesting and I love doing ("love what you do"), instead of studying something that will give me the job I hate. It took me a few years to realize what I really want to do/achieve in life.

If i were you i would have a look at the whole "Digital Nomad" Lifestyle. You dont have to work in an office for the rest of your live... Coding is a very valuable skill. Many are working remotly - either for a company or for their own projects. you could experience new cultures and new languages while working abroad...
your job is a skill and not your "life mission" for the rest of your life.

Get your TEFL Certificate and teach english... there are tons of people teaching english wile working on their own projects.

Dont fall in that trap that you should work in a field that you love. have you read unscripted ?

 

[Games247]

I was this way with welding school, I hated welding but finished school, had a welding job for seven months then quit when I'd saved up enough money to last six months. Funnily enough I am learning programming now and want to get a programming job. I actually love programming. (Maybe you should check out welding lolol.)

 

[rwhyan]

@UnrealCreative

Agreed, but I think it’s better stated as: Stop doing things that aren’t meaningful.

Because obviously life requires work and pain to achieve things, so you’ll never always love what you’re doing.

But everything you do should be meaningful.

 

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[srodrigo]

I don't see the point in quitting at this point, given this is your last year. Also, if you quit because you hate it, do you think you won't quit in other areas of life (business included) when things get not fun?

 

[mojorisin]

You are very close. Finish your degree. I hated college, thought it was a waste until I found an end goal that my degree got me into so I finished with a 4.0.

You don't need to be a programmer. Use your skills to manage people, go into tech sales, teaching, a million jobs you can "pivot" that skill into. And if you DO want to start your own business then coding is a fundamental need for any start up in tech. You can do it yourself vs. having to pay or rely on others. Ask me how I know.

Good luck.

 

[MichaelCash]

It doesnt make sense to quite if you are in the middle already. IT is a very profitable industry but you need to have a good education to lang a job. If you don't like programming, you can become a project manager or work in sales and earn pretty good money.

 

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[GrandRub]

I think I’ll give the university one last try this semester even tho I’m emotionally done with it and probably won’t pass the semester(...) I don’t give a darn (...)I’m just wasting my time.

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I know what I want to do in life and what kind of value I can provide to others: I like teaching, I like languages and I’m trying to combine these two things into a business.

are you insane?

you just said that you know what you want to do - but you are doing the complete opposite, and you already know (or you are persuiading yourself) that you dont care about it.

just do what you want to do. get yourself a job that doesnt suck your brains out for food and a cheap room - and work like a mad man on your own project. learn learn. execute! DO IT.

after one year you will evaluate your progress. Maybe you have some experience but decide that you now will finish your Degree... maybe.

 

[Alvarorm1]

I got my bachelors in electrical and mechanical engineering. Only thing worth from it is saying it.

I also hated it and was the least suited person in my course. They were all doing placemtents with big tech companies some even with NASA.

But now I can do a tech sales job which is something wherein my abilities and interests lie in more so.

You’re not the only one that chose a degree they hated bc it has good job prospects. There’s way more stupid shit you could’ve wasted your time in.

Btw I went to uni in Scotland and was also free.

 

[Guest24480]

Isn't this another one of those posts that is looking for life advice? NO one can give you the right answer because it's YOUR life. There are too many factors to consider outside of a 3 paragraph blurb written on the Internet.

Side note..I am astounded by the limiting beliefs exhibited by the top posts in this thread. Get a master's degree as a backup plan? Care what people think about how you make ends meet while you build your empire?

Come on I know this place is better than that. This isn't Dave Ramsey's Total Money Makeover forum, or as Kak likes to say, the thousandaire fastlane.

 

[jerryB]

When it comes to my hustle, I’m working on something foreign language-related which includes programming. But here I don’t mind it, because programming is what it takes to finish my product.

I think I’ll give the university one last try this semester even tho I’m emotionally done with it and probably won’t pass the semester, because subjects are highly theoretical and I don’t give a darn about them and I’m just wasting my time. I know what I want to do in life and what kind of value I can provide to others: I like teaching, I like languages and I’m trying to combine these two things into a business. If it doesn’t work, I’ll just go back to 9-5 and figure something else.

It’s not like I’m quitting and landing on the street. I’ll take up a job to make ends meet, hopefully as a developer, because it’s my only employable skill as someone mentioned.

Yeah, it’s just one last year but on the other hand I’ve already got my bachelor diploma so I can always start another 2-year major studies, perhaps in a field which I like better.

 

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[jerryB]

are you insane?
you just said that you know what you want to do - but you are doing the complete opposite, and you already know (or you are persuiading yourself) that you dont care about it.

What can I say.. parents. They are crazy about this. I keep hearing things "If you don't finish it, you're done, nobody will help you" or they keep saying that I'm a disgrace to the family, etc.
Hearing these things is well.. heart-breaking.

This is really hard, guys. I know I shouldn't be searching for their approval. I wasn't aware that I was so attached to them. Last year I moved abroad to Netherlands to work there and learn the language. I paused my master studies. They kept discouraging me: "Stay, finish your degree and then do what you want" but I did just the opposite. I did what I wanted and I never regretted it, even though they went crazy and didn't want me to go. I learned dutch and got my certificate in dutch after just one year of working there. That's one of the best achievements in my life.

It doesnt make sense to quite if you are in the middle already. IT is a very profitable industry but you need to have a good education to lang a job. If you don't like programming, you can become a project manager or work in sales and earn pretty good money.

The studies make me depressed as F*ck. I literally hate all the subjects. My bachelor was quite interesting. I must say that I learned quite a lot, even thought I wasn't into programming that much. Master studies are pointless for me. I started these just because all of my friends did it and I thought that it was a right thing to do. I was a sheep following the crowd.

 

[MichaelCash]

I think I’ll give the university one last try this semester even tho I’m emotionally done with it and probably won’t pass the semester

I agree with the previous response, it sounds insane if you want to drop off. Most likely you will regret about this in the future. The reality is that you need a formal degree to get a good job and have a career. I would recommend you to talk to someone and get an advice from someone who is older than you before you make any decision.

 

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[JHZ]

God, this board is so frustrating sometimes. Rant incoming.

One. Time unused is wasted.

OP has no idea what they want to do.

OP has no skills to start a business.

OP lives in Europe where without a Masters you won't get funding or credit.

OP would do nothing with this year.

But sure, uhh, time is, uhuh, invaluable.

No. That's just a meme. Time is worthless if you waste it.

Two. People who think you can drop out and start a business tomorrow are LARPers.

Literally the only people who say this crap are here roleplaying and don't take action.

To start a business takes skills.

Skills you can learn without dropping out of your free education.

Skills you can learn without alienating your whole damn family.

I don't know where this meme that you can do stuff without any skill comes from.

But it needs to die in a fire.

I mean, say he drops out... what does he do?

He learns some basics... while working a job?

A shitty job instead of the one he would get with his degree?

A shitty job that takes 3 times the hours it takes to go to University?

A shitty job that makes him a failure in the eyes of his family, putting him under x10 the pressure?

This is your advice? This is your value proposition?

Is there a big joke I don't get?

Do you people even think before dishing out #EntrepreneurHustlerLife platitudes?

I'm sorry, isn't the advice constantly "don't quit your job, start on the side"?

Uni takes less time and energy than a job.

So do that now, right? That would be the logical advice.

But no, because screw college. College is useless, hurray!

Three. Building a business is failure, pain, and suffering.

So he hates his studies. So what?

That's a hard life? GTFO.

You people think he can tough it out in the market with this attitude?

OP could get another 5 years degree he hates and it would be easier than building a business.

He's feeling bad?

It's nothing close to how bad he will feel after he drops out, fails a couple of times, and considers himself a failure, judged by everyone around him.

"What happened to jerryB? He had such potential! Threw it all away."

People who went through the same thing know what I'm talking about.

People who didn't, don't get it.

That's all I'm saying.



No, they aren't. That's not what the sunk cost fallacy is.

Since you want to use the big words, we are saying that the marginal cost of getting the degree is small compared to the value of the degree, especially considering that since OP has no idea what to do, the opportunity cost is actually null. And since he would do nothing but fret on this board asking about this and that business model he has discovered yesterday, and which he's not remotely competent enough to put into action, he should get the degree instead.

Also OP lives in Europe. People in Europe care about Masters a crapload more than in the US.

At least in some places in the EU people actually ask you about your degree before doing business with you.
Not hiring you. Doing business with your company. Your successful company.

It entitles to a lot of status, and that matters a lot.

But sure, #HustleCultureLiveYourBestLife instead.

That's the only smart way to make this kind of decision.

And the reason why you can't tolerate it is that you emotionally decided you are done with it.

If you really couldn't tolerate it, you wouldn't have tolerated it for four years.

Look at it this way.

Is it smart to make decisions when you're not emotionally stable?

Fix your mindset and emotional problems. Then decide.

I really needed to hear this. I've been feeling lately kind of like a failure and a dreampeneur because I chose to finish my degree in Industrial Engineering (I have 6 months left, had 1 year left when I made my decision) basically for the same reasons you just laid out: I don't really have a plan, no hard skills I could leverage for income, no side business going on. Really the only thing I would do would be getting a high school degree job and using that income for a potential business opportunity (the income I would get from that is almost poverty) so considering all the options, I also think that the OP should finish his degree and continue his entrepreneurial path afterwards.

@jerryB I totally emphatize with you man, having to invest your time and effort into something that you have no desire to do. And also feeling pressured to drop out because that's what an entrepreneur supposedly does. I hope that you can find something positive in the year you have left in school

 

[Fastlane Liam]

Finish it and be grateful. You have the opportunity to get a Masters in Computer Science which is payed for and your parents are supporting you. Sorry can your life been any more handed on a plate?

 

[ZF Lee]

Isn't this another one of those posts that is looking for life advice? NO one can give you the right answer because it's YOUR life. There are too many factors to consider outside of a 3 paragraph blurb written on the Internet.

Side note..I am astounded by the limiting beliefs exhibited by the top posts in this thread. Get a master's degree as a backup plan? Care what people think about how you make ends meet while you build your empire?

Come on I know this place is better than that. This isn't Dave Ramsey's Total Money Makeover forum, or as Kak likes to say, the thousandaire fastlane.

Haha now you are talking!

IMO, I would only go for a Masters if I wanted to do research papers later. That doesn’t exactly make the Masters a backup plan.

And most profs at my place say to actually work some years in industry, before doing the Masters-that way, you know what to specialize more in later.

BTW wasn’t there a Gold thread around here recently on getting a programming job without a degree?

 

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[PapaGang]

Your post is literally the first mention of "backup plan" in the thread. We're talking about leveraging the degree.
Keep strawmanning: I'm sure this level of clear thinking is going to make you a trillionaire.

But let's review the options, shall we?

1. Leave. Now he has to work & learn skills & start a business on the side.
2. Stay. Now he has to study & learn skills. By the time he finishes, he has a better idea of how to move, and if he still gets a job, it's a better one. Which tires him less and gives him more time/energy to start a business on the side.

The number one skill in life is making smart decisions. Care to do a SWOT analysis?

Brass tacks, he is going to have to learn skills and start a business anyway. Might as well get the degree in the meantime and have a lighter workload while he does things on the side. This is not a limiting belief. This is simple decision making.

Let me red pill you instead.

You hallucinated the backup plan idea.
You hallucinated that actually thinking about a decision is a limiting belief.

Because you are programmed.

College = bad. Dropping out = good. Backup plan = limiting beliefs.

You haven't really considered the issue. You just ran the programs you picked up from, well, marketing ploys.

Reality:

• A degree is an asset like any other asset. It has real, tangible value because society values it. Better to have it than not have it.
• He has no skills to start a business he has to learn them. Easier to do while in college than on a job.
• He doesn't know what he would do, therefore he would spend months doing nothing but researching, which he can do on the side.

I would love to see someone explain the advantages of the actual scenario of dropping out.
Something that isn't some motivational nonsense, I mean.

Lastly, speaking of beliefs: dropping out when it's a stupid idea because "you can't take it anymore" teaches your brain that it's OK to give up when things are hard. It installs terrible beliefs. Whereas sticking it out teaches your brain you can do anything.
A belief-savvy guy like you should know that.

100%.

 

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[100ToOne]

The advice in the first reply is the best imho.

Just finish it. In 5 years you'll look back and be like thank God I was done with it.

After that just go and do what you feel like. It's only a year from now.

 

[Guest24480]

Your post is literally the first mention of "backup plan" in the thread. We're talking about leveraging the degree.
Keep strawmanning: I'm sure this level of clear thinking is going to make you a trillionaire.

But let's review the options, shall we?

1. Leave. Now he has to work & learn skills & start a business on the side.
2. Stay. Now he has to study & learn skills. By the time he finishes, he has a better idea of how to move, and if he still gets a job, it's a better one. Which tires him less and gives him more time/energy to start a business on the side.

The number one skill in life is making smart decisions. Care to do a SWOT analysis?

Brass tacks, he is going to have to learn skills and start a business anyway. Might as well get the degree in the meantime and have a lighter workload while he does things on the side. This is not a limiting belief. This is simple decision making.

Let me red pill you instead.

You hallucinated the backup plan idea.
You hallucinated that actually thinking about a decision is a limiting belief.

Because you are programmed.

College = bad. Dropping out = good. Backup plan = limiting beliefs.

You haven't really considered the issue. You just ran the programs you picked up from, well, marketing ploys.

Reality:

• A degree is an asset like any other asset. It has real, tangible value because society values it. Better to have it than not have it.
• He has no skills to start a business he has to learn them. Easier to do while in college than on a job.
• He doesn't know what he would do, therefore he would spend months doing nothing but researching, which he can do on the side.

I would love to see someone explain the advantages of the actual scenario of dropping out.
Something that isn't some motivational nonsense, I mean.

Lastly, speaking of beliefs: dropping out when it's a stupid idea because "you can't take it anymore" teaches your brain that it's OK to give up when things are hard. It installs terrible beliefs. Whereas sticking it out teaches your brain you can do anything.
A belief-savvy guy like you should know that.

Not even going to waste my time responding to this nonsense.

 

[zblundell]

I got my bachelors in electrical and mechanical engineering. Only thing worth from it is saying it.

I also hated it and was the least suited person in my course. They were all doing placemtents with big tech companies some even with NASA.

But now I can do a tech sales job which is something wherein my abilities and interests lie in more so.

You’re not the only one that chose a degree they hated bc it has good job prospects. There’s way more stupid shit you could’ve wasted your time in.

Btw I went to uni in Scotland and was also free.

I need your help with a design that requires mechanical engineering know how. Please contact me if your interested. Thanks Zach

 

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[ZF Lee]

I'm back after a few months. I decided to tell about what I decided.

So..I decided to quit the university. I've got my bachelor's degree. I quit in the middle of my 2-year master studies. Parents were angry at first, now they are sad because "I was so close to graduating" whereas I couldn't care less about this degree.

Those studies were literally making me sick. Constant stress, assignments, exams - I couldn't handle these anymore since CS wasn't even my field of interest. Going there everyday, doing things I hate was literally driving me nuts and giving me depression.

I decided to turn my life upside down and start something completely new. Something I know I can provide value with and thus make money on it.

My final advice for people in a similar situation? If you want to be free from 9-5, have your own business, run your own thing, be responsible for yourself, live without a boss and you have slowlane parents - don't listen to them. Obviously they want you to be happy and to live a stable life, like every parents, but probably their definition of happiness is different than yours. And honestly - you'll never be happy if you don't take responsibility for your own decisions. I was feeling like my life was owned by other people and thus I was getting more and more depressed because they were pushing me towards something I didn't really want doing. When I finally decided to make my own decision and stopped listening to advices from others I felt and immediate relief and it still feels amazing.

Good luck guys.

Good on you for making your own decisions and moves.
Thanks for the update!

As long as you can get your first customer and earn money in some way, without requiring the Masters, you are pretty set to go!

On the other hand, a Masters is better off pursued after a few years in the workplace.
That can be as long as 5-6 years, from what I see in my own university.
Working in the real world gives a better sense of direction on what to study and research in Masters.

But IMO, during those 5-6 years of working, most folks would be able to amass some good connections and records on the resume. That might very well make the Masters irrelevant.

 

[Fastlane Liam]

Be interesting to see how this pans out, I noticed you totally ignored me before

 

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