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    Hello Everyone,

    I am new to the forum and I have read MJ's book. I naturally gravitated to the investment portion of the forum because it is what I have been learning and studying for for many years.

    I read through all of the MJ's and ICK posts on the printing money thread. I commend them for detailing out the strategy they use how successful they are with it. It's really amazing and I encourage anyone who is interested in options to have a look at it. I traded that way for a few years, but then realized that, that style of trading was too stressful for my personality type. But It might fit your specific psychology.

    I searched for a less hands on approach and for something that allowed me to have a fixed risk on my money. I feel there is a need for this type of trading style if:

    1. You want to invest your money in the stock market but are afraid to lose
    2. You want an approach that does not require a lot of time
    3. You are patient
    4. You have some money that is sitting in an account generating little to no interest and you want to put it somewhere where it might get you an above average return.
    5. You are willing to put in a in some work studying different concepts

    If this fits you and you would like to learn more about the way I trade stocks, I am offering to run you through an educational program.
    The Cost is $250.00, and with it comes a full guarantee. If you don't think it was valuable or for any other reason you get your money back no questions asked.

    You will learn some

    A. Basic Fundamental Analysis
    B. Basic Technical Analysis
    C. Strategies to participate in a stock you want to own while limiting your risk.

    If you are interested or have any questions please send me a PM.
     
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    Approved, good luck.
     
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    Can you elaborate on what exactly you will be teaching? I've already purchased a few books and Udemy courses on the subject. I may be interested if you are offering something I have not already covered with those courses. $250 is a lot of money to drop on a vague description. :)

    Edit: have you thought about producing a Udemy course or something similar? It might be a good income stream.
     
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    What results do you guarantee?
     
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    I don't mean to discredit you but learning basic fundamental and technical analysis does not require spending $250.00. It requires reading a couple books or reading free info online. In all honesty the basic knowledge isn't even useful anymore with regards to making money in the market. Further more, to receive above average returns in the market requires accepting risk and takes time and effort. That's a reality, so to say something is low risk and requires little time, is not being very clear or honest with people.
     
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    Please post time phased proof of the rise of your own stock portfolio. Also, please outline the historical facts of your own portfolio so that people know that this method has garnered account growth to wealth in your own personal holdings. Since your credibility here is zero (not negative, just zero) people need some proof that they should listen to you before they send $1, much less 250x that amount.

    Also, some detailed information on your background might be helpful to people interested in this.
     
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    This caught my eye with my background - bachelors in finance, worked in IBanking for 4+ years and have a few certifications (series 7, 63, etc). First point I'd want to note is that options are extremely risky (unlimited loss potential in some cases) unless you're using certain strategies to hedge your bet.

    Second, as some others said, basic technical and fundamental analysis (I'm assuming you're teaching support lines, resistance lines, etc) isn't enough to say that you can invest in the stock market now and "limit your risk".
     
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    That's a myth. Perhaps on par with "starting a business risky" or "fat makes you fat."

    Options aren't any more risky the buying or shorting stock. And yet, the mainstream says that's perfectly safe because after all, buying stock is for your retirement.
     
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    Well options limit your risk to the amount you ante up to buy an option, but the probability of success in buying an option that expires in the money is very low. Much lower than 50:50.

    If you sell an option, the probability of making money is much higher, but there is always the low probability of a black swan type event. Since you can't limit your risk when writing an option, and a stop loss in options could move very far from the price you had intended to exit a trade at, it could be considered a much higher risk than owning the underlying asset outright. Options are also leverage investments by nature and relative to buying the underlying or shorting with a 1:1 margin, they are definitely of high risk.

    Options are much more complex than just buy or shorting the underlying outright because options are multi dimensional since you may have to figure out not only the direction, but also the magnitude of the move along with how quickly it will occur. This increases the risk but at the same time increases the profit potential significantly since accepting more risk in the market is normally compensated with a higher potential reward.


     
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    Hey MJ,

    Agreed about shorting stock, but with buying stock the most you can lose is the principal. With certain option strategies you have to open a margin account and can lose more than you originally put in.

    Any brokerage house will make you sign an options disclosure form if you want to trade those products because some strategies are inherently more risky than simply buy and hold stock trading.
     
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    Guys, I don't need a introductory course on options, I have extensive experience with them.

    And that's more risky than selling the put.

    You buy 100 shares of stock for $50, stock goes to ZERO. You lose $5,000.
    You sell 1 ATM $50 Strike Put at 2.60 (100 shares) stock goes to ZERO. You lose $4,740.00

    BUY STOCK: MAX LOSS ... $5,000
    SELL PUT: MAX LOSS ..... $4,740

    Buying stock is not safer or less riskier. The only reason why its deemed safer is because it has unlimited upside. And because the mainstream media fiscal sycophants wants you to believe so.

    Sorry for the thread hijack @Big Z -- however I think his strategy addresses this risk component.
     
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    I don't guarantee results because I can not control your actions. What I will say is if you don't like the course or you don't like what you learned or you just don't think it was worth it. You get your money back. Your risk is your time.
     
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    My bad, I didn't mean to hijack the thread or come off negative in any way. I just wanted to share my input with what I've seen in my experience.

    Options can definitely be a useful part of your portfolio if utilized correctly. I've seen people make a killing, but if you don't do your homework you can expose yourself to a lot of risk.
     
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    I agree with you. There is a ton of free information out there. Also without risk there is no reward. When I say low risk I mean that you're risk can be limited to a small percentage of your investment (1-5%), with an opportunity to MAYBE make more than that.

    There is a lot of information out there and it can be overwhelming and confusing. I put together what I feel are some of the better concepts that I have learned through my own education and experience.

    Also of course it takes time to learn the concepts but they are not complicated in my opinion. And I am not trying to be dishonest here either. There is zero risk to the buyer because they have nothing to lose but their time.
     
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    Hi, Thank for your comment. You are correct zero credibility. I know that and that is why I am offering a money back option. Zero Risk to the buyer.
     
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    Anyone here use the Robinhood app?
     
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    First I will show you how I evaluate a stock or company based on reading their financial information.

    Second I will show you how I evaluate the trend of a stock and how I choose when to enter a stock position based on the look of the chart.

    Once I identify a stock for purchase I choose a strategy to participate in the movement of the stock. I will show you the strategy that I use and the different adjustments that can be made once the stock moves.

    I also show you my scans for finding stocks.

    I have thought about doing a Udemy course, but for now I would like to work with people one on one so that they can ask questions and I can learn what their level of experience is and what their main questions and concerns are. Not everyone is at the same stage and some concepts might be foreign to some while well known to others.

    I will send you a PM so we can elaborate on what course or book you have taken so that you don't feel like you are buying the same or similar information.
     
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    Does that mean you have no plans to substantiate your credibility with documented screenshots of your own portfolio?

    You need to give people a reason to pay you, and I promise to pay them back if you are a fraudster is not sufficient.

    There's no reason anybody should trust you unless you establish your authority in the subject matter that you want people to buy.

    "Trust me" is not enough.

    For all I know you've never made a dollar in the market.

    Prove it. Prove it before anybody sends you any money.
     
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    I understand the skepticism. I could easily post screenshots, but then how would you know they aren't fabricated? Having said that I understand that what if I take the money and run , is a possibility. So I will propose this to people in this forum: If you want to explore what I have to offer, I will run through the course with the first 3 people. I will not take any money upfront. If you think it was worth it, then you pay me, if you don't then no payment will be required. Zero Risk to the buyer.
     
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    Grab a cell phone, point it at your screen and hit "record", log into your account, and go through it. Obfuscate anything sensitive, then post that.

    Not impossible to fake but a hell of a lot more credible than "trust me".

    While this is a great offer, it doesn't solve the credibility part.

    You are selling information which means the people likely to get the most value from it aren't savvy enough to tell if you are selling them Gold or Pyrite. It will look shiny and seem right, but that doesn't mean they can take it to the bank and cash it.

    If I came up with a diet and exercise program that cost $250, and I was reluctant to show anyone a photo of myself, would giving 3 people the course for free assuage anyone's skepticism of me?
     
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    Well it is one thing to just avoid posting screen shots because of what you said. It is illegal to post fake screenshots in the U.S obviously so a person that does this is breaking the law.

    The problem with doing what you are suggesting is that it takes along time to learn. Most people that sell some sort of course, ebook, etc on the stock market know that if you teach a beginner the basics and then they know more then they did before, they will provide a positive review. The problem is it takes a lot time for a person to start to making money consistently in the market outside of just luck, and most people will never make money. Therefore you get a positive review in the short term, only to watch the person never make money, or even worse, lose all there money when they actually are trading or investing. You the so called guru gets paid because it seems you are providing something of value to the unsuspecting victim that doesn't know any better.
     
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    The spread and the liquidity between an option and the underlying are much different though. Unless it's a penny stock, a biotech with some binary decision like FDA approval or a stock of a company with some sort of fraud, it will normally take along time for a $50 stock to go to $0. You'll have some time to get out. With a option it can happen extremely quickly because the spreads and the lack of volume. Really depends on the delta and how the option tracks the stock though.

     
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    You're arguing a straw man. I don't mess with options in the biotech space nor do I trade options which have bid/asks so wide a bus could be driven through it. In high volatility, bid/asks spread out for all instruments, not just options.
     
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    You mentioned you read the print money thread on the Inside. Did you really read it? Or did you just skim through it after 5-10 minutes because of your preconceived notions that options are risky? If so, I'd suggest at least giving it a second look.

    I don't understand how this is an excuse for not providing a track record.

    Either you're not as good as you say you are, or you are extremely terrible at writing sales copy and selling yourself.

    This thread kind of pisses me off actually. The fact that you really think someone would pay you $250 just from your original post where you don't introduce yourself or your background, don't post ANY proof, and provide extremely vague details is an insult to the people on this forum.
     
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    Not trying to insult anyone here. Also I don't "write copy" I am not a salesman nor do I have any experience selling online or internet marketing. I have studied stocks and options and the market for over 10 years. I have had good years and bad years. I believe I have found a way to invest which in my opinion , can be done while limiting the risk to what for me is comfortable level. If people are interested in investing money in the stock market I feel that they may benefit from what I have to offer. If you need proof or statements then I am not the person for you.