Tin Foil Hat Time: Are Aliens Here?

[MJ DeMarco]

I consider myself open minded and today I'm going to admit that I'm leaning toward the idea that aliens are here and have been visiting Earth ever since the first atomic bomb went off.

While I'm not radically entrenched in that belief (I'd say it fluctuates between 60/40 and 70/30 in favor of aliens are here) I am becoming more acclimatized to the idea. Five years ago I'd say my belief was 40/60, in favor of them NOT being here.

Part of this belief probably evolved from being an avid Star Trek fan with a particular casual interest in quantum physics, space/time topics, and the humble realization that we are technological cavemen in the grand scheme of things.

It also might be possible that TIME is moving very slowly for us (which is a function of gravity) so 1 year for us humans could quite possibly be 1000 years for aliens.

I'm bringing this topic up NOW because I've noticed recently in the last, say 2 years, there has been significant UPTICK in the "aliens are here" claims/assertions, many of such which are coming from scientists, ex-government employees, and highly professional folks, such as pilots, both civilian and military.

Additionally, the government is starting to TRICKLE out little bits of information (or allowing it to occur) from unexplained navy pilot videos, to the disclosure that the American government was running the secretive AATIP organization. It seems the folks involved in this stuff are no longer fearful of retribution, persecution, or even death (while being labeled a tin-foil hat conspirator).

Advanced Aerospace Threat Identification Program: 5 Fast Facts You Need to Know

AATIP has left us with many unanswered questions. Where is the UFO material that was recovered? Two of the Senators who founded the program are no longer alive.

heavy.com

Moreover, I've noticed that the "aliens are here" assertion is starting to bleed into the MAINSTREAM while many of these MAINSTREAM figures (Michio Kaku, Rogan ) are starting to dive into the topic. For example, Bob Lazar was recently on the Joe Rogan podcast discussing many things, including Lazar's contention that he was in charge of reverse engineering an alien spacecraft which used Element 115 as a propulsion component, a component allegedly involved in warping space/time.

Of course, many assert that Lazar is full of crap, and a variety of other folks involved.

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BEWz4SXfyCQ


And now, just the other day, Fox News put the UFO story on the front page of its website (On Friday which was promptly removed when the California earthquake hit) asking the question itself, are they here? And what does the Trump think about it? I went there to get news about the earthquake and was promptly hit with the UFO headline.

Whether you believe any of it, is not my point.

I feel like I'm in the middle of a counter-intelligence operation, from the TV programs (like Ancient Aliens, UFO documentaries, etc.) whereas culture is being slowly groomed with the idea that we are not alone.

So when it happens, it won't be such a big shock.

Years ago this stuff was considered fringe.

Now I'm starting to see it bleed into the mainstream.

So much so that I'm willing to say that "something" is going on -- maybe not aliens perse, but something.

 

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[AgainstAllOdds]

Naw. No way aliens are here.

If there's a civilization advanced enough that they could be here, I doubt they'd want to be. It'd be like someone from Chicago going to Gary, Indiana.

 

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[lowtek]

Sightings of UFOs have gone back literally decades, from what we can gather from photographic evidence and eye witness accounts. One of the most famous of which being the battle of Los Angeles, in which the military spent a couple hours shelling a UFO, which can be seen by its outline in a black and white photo, thinking it was an enemy blimp. Nothing at the time could have withstood so much assault, and yet... they couldn't bring down the unknown craft.

More recently, various military organizations across the planet have released radar data and pilot accounts of encounters with highly advanced air craft that execute maneuvers that, by all accounts, are outside the realm of known engineering.

Just this past year our very own federal government, right around Christmas, revealed the existence of a program to study this phenomenon. They admitted that it was real and that they have no idea what it is. It is almost certainly a craft of some kind, with unknown origin, operating on unknown technology. It is claimed that this technology does not belong to us.

Adding all this up, we are left with two possibilities:

Either a) the technology is terrestrial in origin or b) it is extraterrestrial in origin. Each of these assertions requires a certain set of conditions to be true.

If a), then we have to believe that the technology has been developed in secret for decades, and that the people who developed it have not spoken out about it. The resources required to develop such technology would be immense, and the US does indeed having a missing defense budget of order 10 trillion or so... but this says nothing of the intellectual capital to design and perfect the technology. While the money doesn't speak, people certainly do. Why has nobody come forward to claim credit for the advances in aerospace engineering and physics? How can you keep thousands of people quiet for 70+ years? This stretches the imagination, to say the least.

What's even worse is that if you accept the assertion by our government that the technology isn't ours, then you have to also accept that a foreign government did it while spending a fraction of the amount that we do. Even more unbelievable is that this government would make such a leap and then not announce it to the world. Both Russia and China were recently flexing their hypersonic weapons, and the doomsday nuclear torpedo (in the case of Russia), heck even the Tsar Bomba back in the 60s... so there is precedent for our adversaries being keen to announce their strategic advantages. Why would they keep such a leap frog to themselves, for decades?

None of this is impossible, but in my mind it all stretches the limits of plausibility. Keeping thousands of people silent for decades while secretly developing technology that has no parallel in known science, and then not announcing that strategic advantage to the world is simply too much to believe.

if b) then all we have to accept is that there are far more advanced civilizations out there and that they have developed technology outside of our current understanding. Given that we still have uncontacted tribes here on Earth that live in the stone age, there is a known precedent for this situation right here on this planet.

Both theories have equal explanatory power, yet theory b has fewer moving parts. Occam's razor suggests that we should adopt explanation b.

And so I have. I've never bought into the advanced government craft hypothesis, and I've been reading about this stuff since I was a young adult. While alien visitation is a difficult technical problem, it's far simpler to solve than the human problem of keeping egotistical type A scientists, let alone power mad politicians, from bragging about their accomplishments, for almost an entire century if not longer.

 

[AgainstAllOdds]

Aliens are not here. They might exist, but not here, and not in the form we think of them.

There's too many parties incentivized to push the narrative that aliens exist. The biggest being the government and media:

• Government: If you believe aliens exist, then you're more likely to approve of large military spending and support your government (control by fear)
• Media: If you're interested in aliens, then your media consumption increases. The media creates bullshit articles to take advantage of your curiosity

Nationalism is dying off. The ability to unite everyone under the government with an 'Us vs Them' attitude is harder than ever. So what's new?

Give the government more money. Give them more power. Or the big bad aliens will come and destroy us all. Pay more taxes. Sign away your rights. Huge incentives for the government.

Then with the media, you have things like this:

The History Channel figured out years ago that Aliens are better TV than actual history. So they created countless programs about how aliens built the Ancient Pyramids, etc. The mainstream media is just adopting a trend that has already existed.

Today's media is entirely void of any journalistic values - pushing alien stories is just another addition to their array of fake news. Find news that people want to read = get readership = make money off ads.

@ZCP made a good point about the media.

So as far as your Occam's Razor principle, what's more likely:

• Aliens existing?
• Or a spread of misinformation that benefits multiple parties including the government and media?

 

[Red]

I'm starting to see both this above & the use of psychedelics for therapeutic reasons become much more mainstream. I welcome both.

 

[Vitaly the Winne]

Since alien related programs and the accounts of highly respectable people claiming sightings are being more covered by the media and given nore attention to, what's it =really distracting us from? I've boticed the media enjoys playing the magician, giving one topic intense coverage and drawing eyes and ears towards it, while also drawing us away from other topics by minimizing exposure to them and burying information. Call me a tin hat wearing moonrock worshipper, that's just what I've noticed.

 

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[biophase]

MJ,

I'm listening to this book now. It's a very fascinating history of how and why Area 51 was formed. It's not only a UFO book, but more of a book about how our nuclear and stealth weapons were developed.

https://www.amazon.com/dp/0316202304/?tag=tff-amazonparser-20

It's just crazy to look back in history less than 100 years to see that it was acceptable to:
1) blow up islands in the pacific and kill everything for hundreds of miles for science
2) have human pilots fly through mushroom clouds to collect data

Regarding aliens and UFO's, it is really interesting to listen to both sides of the possibilities here.

It's really hard for me to believe that every single person who has claimed to see an UFO, or been abducted, is making it up. So mark me down for believing in life on other planets.

 

[Sander]

Legalizing ganja in the US maybe was a bad idea xD

 

[MJ DeMarco]

I'm pretty convinced that the new "disclosure" that we now see on regular mainstream media news sites are coordinated "fear-building" psyops to foster globalism, fear, and an increased global security state.

People Luis Elizondo and his cohorts are CIA/NSA shills who are authorized to build fear and lobby for an increased national security state, as if humans had any chance of defending themselves against an alien race 100s or 1000s of years more advanced than us. Watching these guys argue about how these ufo's are "violations of our airspace" is a joke, on par with a housefly in your garage crying about you are violating his airspace.

The way to create a globalist utopia and erode individual freedoms while confiscating wealth is to create a common enemy that everyone views as the boogieman. Covid was the boogieman in the last 2 years. I'm sure they are working to make "the alien threat" the next boogieman thanks to these "former intelligence operatives" you now see being carted around and propped up by the mainstream media.

Don't be fooled ... they are part of the "fear-building" plan.

The biggest threat to humans aren't aliens, it's other humans.

 

[lowtek]

@lowtek what's your professional, physicist opinion on this Bob Lazar guy that MJ posted to in the OP? I watched a decent amount of the interview, but I don't know enough about physics to separate the wheat from the chaff.

From his Wikipedia entry:

Lazar claims he earned a master's degree in physics from the Massachusetts Institute of Technology (MIT), and a master's degree in electronic technology from California Institute of Technology (Caltech); however, there are no records of Lazar attending either MIT or CalTech.[5] Furthermore, Lazar was not a member of a professional body.[citation needed] Lazar speculates that his academic records were erased in an effort by authorities to discredit him.[citation needed]

During trial and under oath, Lazar again claimed degrees from MIT and Caltech.

Does he sound like he knows his stuff? Does he sound like someone who could potentially hold a Master's Degree from Caltech, or does he sound like someone who's winging it. The headache thing honestly raised a few red flags for me because it seems like it could be a cop out for difficult questions, but then again, the government has been known to do things like what he's saying. Does he sound like someone who could potentially be an actual physicist?

Apologies for the delayed reply. I must have missed the notification from the mention.

I learned about Lazar many years ago, as a UFO enthusiast. As far as I'm aware, his story has remained consistent over decades. This is incredibly difficult to do for liars, which is one point for his credibility.

Based on the Joe Rogan interview, he does have a strong grasp of physics. Here are just the things I remember:

The comment about Element 115 having to be a stable isotope because all the forms we have synthesized to date have half lives of order milliseconds. This is plausible and not something I would see a crackpot coming up with.

His explanation for how the UFO that the navy pilot saw appeared to be bouncing around (effectively gravitational lensing from the antigrav drive) is both plausible enough and indicates more than passing knowledge of physics.

His critique of the consequences of Tesla's wireless transmission of power is also correct, and not something the typical crackpot would even think of.

Also, his delivery of all this didn't seem to indicate any deception. He sounded convinced of what he was saying, so at the very least, he believes it all to be true.

In my mind, the two biggest points against his credibility are the lack of degrees and verification from LANL. Both of these could be engineered by the government, as LANL is a government lab and both universities have close ties with government.

On the balance of evidence, what little there is, I tend to believe him. That could certainly be my own bias and wishful thinking, but I've seen many crackpots and he doesn't fit the typical mold.

 

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[ZCP]

24 hour news cycle ... has to be filled with something

if this was 1951, you'd wait to read things in the paper the next day. now, they have to fill the time w/ something. you hear about it more because you just hear more now.

 

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[B. Cole]

Just splatting my own brainwaves here...

I think the next 10 years is going to be insanely transformative for mankind. At a point where open communication, free thinking and the technology to do so are running the show, we’re now witnessing our transformation from the close minded, arcane planet dwellers to intellectually adaptive beings of the universe, and who knows what or who has already achieved that and is standing by, waiting for us to reach a safe point to connect. I don’t imagine there will be a “holy cow aliens just landed” moment. It will probably be incremental and with caution, just as we are seeing it.

This pattern always resonates with me -

Malignant cells, in their own time frames, seemingly sit forever, going through slow transformations and hostility driven adaptations against things like the immune system, who’s advances toward ending their progress, or their own naturally short lifespans and other harsh factors often succeed at smudging the fledgling cells’ existence. At some point, for the successful mutations, a single cell achieves traveling beyond its formation and a metastatic life form, capable of traveling and much more resilient, is born.

This same pattern works with plants, animals - everything. Once branched out, the transformation has begun. The species has adapted and progressed to a new phase.

Portions of our species have conquered things necessary to this, like unified communication, systems thinking, shared objectives and so on. We’ve long achieved the moon, and soon, will achieve Mars. We are in a new phase of metastasis.

If one can free their mind from flat earth, nostalgia based thinking that still consumes most of our species, enough pieces can be put together to forecast, look forward and appreciate what is obviously coming. We’ve been in evolution and largely incapable of handling what we are starting to now accept, which is and has been the case every second along our evolutionary timeline, and will continue to be.

It’s natural progression not to stay as we are forever - just as we never have. To do so is to succumb to the depletion of resources that sustain our current state and die out. The pattern of branching out, staking new territory and encountering new life forms will continue through eternity as long as there is energy and mass, in this universe and beyond.

We’ve probably been or are being studied, just as we study cells under a microscope ourselves. Who knows if what we’re seeing are the end result extraterrestrial beings, or the tools and counterparts being used to interact with us at our size and scale.

What an exciting time to be alive!

 

[socaldude]

I think the chances of life being "out there" somewhere in space is pretty high.

To think that earth is the only planet that has life seems pretty naive.

I get the feeling that if there is life out there they are way smarter than us and don't really want to bother us because they probably see us as pretty naive and unintelligent.

As humans we are pretty intellectually arrogant, there is no way we know as much about physics as is possible.

There is no evidence or reason to deny or negate the possibility of life or aliens in outer space.

 

[JAJT]

Also worth noting that sleep paralysis is an excellent "occam's razor" explanation for most night time alien abduction / visitation stories.

These experiences can be highly realistic, extremely emotional, scary beyond words, and are accompanied quite often by total body paralysis. They don't feel like dreams at all so even the sanest person would swear up and down that they weren't dreaming during an episode.

I experience them occasionally in various degrees (especially while stressed) and honestly they fit the bill so perfectly to most abduction/visitation stories. It feels like you are a prisoner in your own body (as if being held down by an invisible force) and what you see/hear looks as real as anything else. And go figure - once the episode is over, you find yourself alone in your room as if you were "returned" after some crazy event.

Here's a description of the hallucinations from wiki (bold mind):

Several types of hallucinations have been linked to sleep paralysis: the belief that there is an intruder in the room, the presence of an incubus, and the sensation of floating.[15] A neurological hypothesis is that in sleep paralysis the mechanisms which usually coordinate body movement and provide information on body position become activated and, because there is no actual movement, induce a floating sensation.[15][10]

The intruder and incubus hallucinations highly correlate with one another, and moderately correlated with the third hallucination, vestibular-motor disorientation, also known as out-of-body experiences,[15] which differ from the other two in not involving the threat-activated vigilance system.[19]
...
A hyper-vigilant state created in the midbrain may further contribute to hallucinations.[7][10] More specifically, the emergency response is activated in the brain when individuals wake up paralyzed and feel vulnerable to attack.[15] This helplessness can intensify the effects of the threat response well above the level typical of normal dreams, which could explain why such visions during sleep paralysis are so vivid.

It's honestly the perfect storm to turn even the sanest person into a raving advocate for the existence of aliens.

 

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[MJ DeMarco]

The push for disclosure is EXTREMELY bipartisan.

Which is scary.

The COVID response was pretty bipartisan on a worldwide level except for some of the execution details. After that massive psychological operation conducted globally by unelected bureaucrats in the WHO/WEF/CDC, I don't trust any bureaucrat/politician, Republican or Democrat.

They all have the same objective, and that is a NWO with complete social and monetary control.

While I do believe the Alien phenomena is a very real possibility, our governments co-opting it for their own agenda is more likely. Remember, everything they do is for our safety because in their eyes, we're illiterate children incapable of making decisions.

 

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[MJ DeMarco]

This is really cool, love the visual interface.

Exoplanet Catalog | Discovery – Exoplanet Exploration: Planets Beyond our Solar System

NASA’s Exoplanet Exploration Program, the search for planets and life beyond our solar system.

exoplanets.nasa.gov

Amazing that there are some things just mere light years away.


Not really alien related, but it does give you some perspective on all the stuff out there...

 

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[MJ DeMarco]

Give the government more money. Give them more power. Or the big bad aliens will come and destroy us all. Pay more taxes. Sign away your rights. Huge incentives for the government.

If they aren't here, this would be my guess: It's a coordinated attempt to institute a "one world government" all in the name of global security.

Let's be clear: If there are aliens here, there is no global security issue. We're ants under a 5 year old's shoe. They'd be able to do whatever they wanted and there's nothing we could do about it.

In truth, I would trust an advanced species more than I would humans.

what's your professional, physicist opinion on this Bob Lazar guy that MJ posted to in the OP?

Destroying one's credibility is how to marginalize critics. There are stories of records disappearing when pertaining to military officials who claim non-terrestrial interactions.

However....

In Lazar's case, I question his inability to post a picture of his college days, transcripts, or a framed degree.

If someone said I didn't go to college, I could immediately produce transcripts and degrees, much less a legion of photos and memorabilia from the era.

This is where Lazar loses credibility.

psychological priming.

Incorrect.

It's not psychological priming when I visit a financial or a politically focused website and instead get hit with material pertaining to it.

For instance, I don't go to Politico and expect to see/read anything on UFO's.

U.S. Navy drafting new guidelines for reporting UFOs

The service says it has also "provided a series of briefings by senior Naval Intelligence officials as well as aviators who reported hazards to aviation safety."

www.politico.com

Trump says he was briefed on Navy sightings of UFOs

"I want them to think whatever they think," Trump said of the Navy pilots.

www.politico.com

Democratic Candidate Andrew Yang: UFOs 'Probably' Exist

Andrew Yang expressed curiosity on the UFO question, making him one of the first 2020 presidential candidates in the Democratic primary field to take a position on disclosure.

www.newsweek.com

This is where I meant there seems to be recent "bleed" of this stuff from expected sources (Space, NASA, Science) to mainstream sources (Politico, Newsweek, Fox). I don't expect to read material pertaining to "aliens" or "ufos" unless I actively seek it.

 

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[AgainstAllOdds]

The idea about aliens being a false flag operation is an actual conspiracy theory I have heard for years. Here is a bit more about it:

Whether aliens are here or the government is trying to trick people into thinking they are here IS INSANE.
View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_L1fmT6SwAw

False flag - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

If our government was willing to do that, then I have little doubt they were and are willing to execute on many other politically profitable actions - especially the ones that don't cause direct harm (aliens).

Here's what they were willing to do if you don't want to click the link:

"The proposed, but never executed, 1962 Operation Northwoods plot by the U.S. Department of Defense for a war with Cuba involved scenarios such as fabricating the hijacking or shooting down of passenger and military planes, sinking a U.S. ship in the vicinity of Cuba, burning crops, sinking a boat filled with Cuban refugees, attacks by alleged Cuban infiltrators inside the United States, and harassment of U.S. aircraft and shipping and the destruction of aerial drones by aircraft disguised as Cuban MiGs."

I find the plausibility that the government is involved with "aliens" far from insane.

 

[AllenCrawley]

Anyone going?

‘They can't stop all of us': More than 250K pledge to storm Area 51 to uncover alien secrets

More than 250,000 people have signed up to attend a Facebook event planning a raid on Area 51 in southern Nevada to “see them aliens.”

www.fox10phoenix.com

 

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[MJ DeMarco]

People are going to raise hell demanding more if they hold back in the June report.

Kinda like they raised hell when "10 days to slow the spread" turned into 2 years?
Kinda like they raised hell when they closed churches?
Kinda like they raised hell when they started proposing vaccine passports?

Nothing will happen with disclosure.

And no one will "raise hell", unless "hell" equates to tweets and TikTok videos.

 

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[MJ DeMarco]

This is one tiny slice of the sky. Look at all those galaxies.

It would take us millions of years to traverse our mid-sized galaxy ... like an ant walking from Alaska to Florida.

It is mindblowing.

 

[MJ DeMarco]

I didn't make the infographic

That's great news because the chart is for narrow-minded, brainwashed morons who haven't had an original thought in their mind since they probably climbed jungle jyms and played with squirt guns.

As I said, the greatest threat to humans aren't aliens, they're scripted, obedient humans who are incapable of any independent thought ... namely people who like to throw charts around and dismiss any original thought not pre-approved by mainstream consensus. They also like name calling like "anti-vax" and "xenophobe" and "conspiracy theorist" to marginalize critical thought.

While the chart definitely has some crazy theories, it's demonstrates that most people can't think for themselves before the corporate media tells them what to think first.

 

[Panos Daras]

Alien rocks are visiting us on a daily basis. We call them meteorites.

Just like us, they are not a very intelligent species, but they are 100% extraterrestrial and are also UFO's (until we take a closer look and identify them as rocks).

But not all meteorites identify themselves as rocks. I would go as far as saying that some of them even find it offensive. Let us be extra careful when making these generalizations.

 

[AFMKelvin]

20 years ago people who believed in aliens were the "crazy" ones. Now everyone is starting is to believe in them.

Aliens have always been here they live underground and in the oceans. They might also be from outside the Earth.

Different species use the same transportation vehicles. For all we know humans can also have access to UFOs.

Every ancient civilization had stories of non human beings. Those were aliens.

 

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[AgainstAllOdds]

I'd like to expand by saying that I do believe aliens exist, but not in the way that is being presented to us: UFO's, etc. I also don't think it's a concern that will at any point occur in our lifetimes.

At the very least it's very bizarre.

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3RlbqOl_4NA

There's a reason why all the "footage" of "aliens" is pixelated and worthless.

Until we get footage in HD that without a doubt had not been manipulated or staged, I'll be a skeptic.

 

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[StrikingViper69]

Aliens are not here. They might exist, but not here, and not in the form we think of them.

There's too many parties incentivized to push the narrative that aliens exist. The biggest being the government and media:

• Government: If you believe aliens exist, then you're more likely to approve of large military spending and support your government (control by fear)
• Media: If you're interested in aliens, then your media consumption increases. The media creates bullshit articles to take advantage of your curiosity

Nationalism is dying off. The ability to unite everyone under the government with an 'Us vs Them' attitude is harder than ever. So what's new?

Give the government more money. Give them more power. Or the big bad aliens will come and destroy us all. Pay more taxes. Sign away your rights. Huge incentives for the government.

Then with the media, you have things like this:

The History Channel figured out years ago that Aliens are better TV than actual history. So they created countless programs about how aliens built the Ancient Pyramids, etc. The mainstream media is just adopting a trend that has already existed.

Today's media is entirely void of any journalistic values - pushing alien stories is just another addition to their array of fake news. Find news that people want to read = get readership = make money off ads.

@ZCP made a good point about the media.

So as far as your Occam's Razor principle, what's more likely:

• Aliens existing?
• Or a spread of misinformation that benefits multiple parties including the government and media?

Agreed.

Here's my take:
1. If we look at it from a probability perspective, it's reasonable to assume that aliens do exist. However, if we take this approach, we also have to consider the size of not just the universe, but the observable universe. If aliens do exist, they would have to be within roughly 100 light years of Earth, in order for them to be aware of our existence (only possible via radio waves).

Give how unimaginably small a sphere with a 100 light year radius is in the grand scheme of space, if aliens do exist, it is unlikely they are aware of us. If you believe its statistically likely aliens exist, you also have to concede that it's highly unlikely they have any idea we're here.

Give the range of measurements that our minds can easily deal with, imagining the distances involved with the universe, not to mention relativistic effects, is incredibly difficult.

2. As far as media and podcasters picking this stuff up goes, its just noise to entertain the masses.

3. The "released" footage from military jets. That just doesn't make sense. I imagine that stuff goes through some senior people, and the military know every person that breathes within 10m of all the footage coming back from the jets. No way does that stuff just "show up" on youtube. And if it did heads would be rolling.

4. UFO Sightings. Police know that eyewitness accounts can be unreliable. There are 'documented' accounts of ghosts and all sorts of non-sense. People either get so swept up in hysteria they don't know what they're seeing, or they just outright lie.

5. If it was a counter-intelligence op of some sort, then I'd imagine the objective would be to destroy what remains of rational thought. Destroy a person ability to think rationally and you can sell them freedom shackles all day long.

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My take is it's a self-perpetuating feedback loop of non-sense. Someone sees some BS getting views, they want views online, so they spout some similar BS, etc.

 

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[Kak]

Are aliens here on earth? I doubt it. IF they could get here, why would they be here?

Are they out there? I would put my money on yes.

Aliens are bound by the same laws of physics we are bound by... So, I guess my answer would be a question... Do we have a full understanding of physics or is our understanding incomplete?

Travel between solar systems... Barring a total shift in the way we understand energy and physics, I don't think that will ever be as easy as the movies portray.

 

[SteveO]

Aliens are bound by the same laws of physics we are bound by... So, I guess my answer would be a question... Do we have a full understanding of physics or is our understanding incomplete?

I believe that we are missing a shit-ton of information...

 

[MJ DeMarco]

Well if aliens needed to arrive in one year, 2020 would be it.

Seems like this thread would be most appropriate for this.

If You Left A Monolith In A Remote Utah Canyon, Authorities Would Like A Word

Utah officials spotted the strange monolith last week while counting bighorn sheep by helicopter.

www.huffpost.com

 

[Roli]

I would agree! Except I believe aliens have been visiting earth since the beginning of our time. Ever wonder how the pyramids were created? There's an alien conspiracy for that. I guess I've watched too much 'ancient aliens' lol. There's just no way you can convince me that we're alone in an infinite possibility of universes and galaxies.

White people didn't build them so it must be aliens! Lol.

Dude educate yourself, just go to youtube and put "how did they build the pyramids?" and you will get plenty of credible non-alien theories.

Spoiler alert: it was a combination of scaffolding, stone rolling and time, lots and lots of time.

The two are mutually exclusive by the way; aliens do exist somewhere in the galaxy/universe, humans built the pyramids.

Lol, aliens travel 100s of lightyears to build stuff with stone.