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Can you post a link to this explanation from a reliable (i.e., medical or scientific) source?



Can you post a link to some of these medical professionals who have said this?
Yes.

Instead of an immune response that results in killing the virus, the viral load strangely stays high while your symptoms subside.
Here's how the body's immune response normally works:

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xotNiLJDT-c


Here's how it's working with this new virus (see 12:25-13:05):

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OQFBUgDgG_k


Here's the explanation I've seen that makes the most sense. (This is not medical terminology, it's just my understanding based on what I've learned.)

This virus is behaving like the SARS vaccine that they were trying to develop.

When they administered the vaccine, and then test subjects were subsequently exposed to the pathogen, their illness was far WORSE than the illness for subjects who had never been vaccinated.

The mechanism behind this was basically antibody-assisted transmission.

In other words, instead of antibodies doing their normal thing and killing/deactivating the pathogen, they acted like the key to assist the virus to get into the cell.
Here's the info about the SARS vaccine that I mentioned (see 13:58-18:22):
View: https://youtu.be/HrqRAtViUZw?t=838


I am sure there was also a video by Dr. John Campbell on this, but his video titles are not descriptive and I've looked at more than a dozen of them looking for the place where he talked about it and can't find it. Maybe I'm remembering wrong.

There was also another video that had a good animation of what was going on here, but I've looked everywhere I can think of and can't track it down. It's going to bother me until I find that again. I'll post the link here if I find it.

I have heard medical professionals constantly express surprise at the behavior of the immune system with this virus. There's something weird going on here.
Here's one instance of the surprise expressed (12:50-13:03):
View: https://youtu.be/OQFBUgDgG_k?t=770
 

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First confirmed person in Denmark, my country, this morning. The person is an employee at one of the two biggest tv stations here. The news breaked 5 mins ago, it's 06.42 local time. It's gonna be an interesting day.

He was skiing in northern Italy last week. Was showing sympthoms monday, tested yesterday and confirmed this night.

He lives within 100 km of me.

Maybe time to rice it up.
 

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It should be easy to calculate the mortality rate if you can track the cases individually right? If we knew the number of cases three weeks ago, and then tracked just those older cases up until today, you could calculate the mortality rate exactly. Obviously we don't have access to that information, but hospitals surely do. I feel like this is something we should know by now.
 

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The first community case has been found in California. This was someone that had no known exposure and just wandered in off the street.

Surely there were many others exposed from this person or the person who then contracted it from. This was inevitable really, but surely we will start to see surprise cases popping up in California and likely other areas of the country soon.

California in general is a huge risk to the US. If this gets into the massive homeless population there it will explode overnight. People living close together in unsanitary conditions is a recipe for biological disaster.
 
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There we go guys. Now we can move from idiot conspiracies about the virus designed to kill us all, to how the cure is designed to scam us of our money. SMH

 

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Here's how it's working with this new virus (see 12:25-13:05):
View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OQFBUgDgG_k
What he is describing here seems to be what happens when when the so-called re-infection occurs. It's not so much re-infection (as in, you get infected again by another person), but the virus stays in the body and re-emerges in the lungs.

So these 're infected' people have mild symptoms (fever, cough) first.. get 'better' .. but then get 're-infected' when the virus pops up in the lungs. Found this is several independent articles.

It is said this happens to 10 to 13 % of cases (in China). But this could very well be a consequence of wanting to declare people 'recovered' too soon.
 

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Quercetin is an example of why (probably) people grow bitter herbs, and eat them, without really knowing why they do it. Who would choose to eat all this weird tasting stuff? Who would drink bitters, or quinine? But we do, if we can separate ourselves from junk food. Look at traditional diets, especially in equatorial climates, and they're full of the stuff. Stock up on capers ;)
Thanks for the info . I think you are completely right.

This is why eating healthy and a diversified diet is so important. In modern society there is too much emphasis on 'calorie counting'. It's about quality, not quantity.

(think about that guy that was losing weight on a McDonalds diet. It says nothing about his health, only that he was losing weight because of the caloric deficit).

Just found out, for example. Quercetin levels in organic tomatoes are 79% higher than in 'industrial' tomatoes. (https://pubs.acs.org/doi/abs/10.1021/jf070344+) ... that is just 1 example.

Do you want to prepare for the pandemic? Eat healthy. Exercise. Open the curtains and let some light in. Open the windows for some fresh air. Start now.
 

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I get your meaning. It's just that, if we throw out the law of large numbers, all the numbers are meaningless.

Also, going from 6.6 to 8.4 would be a 27% increase in mortality rate. In other words, more than 1/4 of the survivors at the 6.6 rate would die if 8.4 is correct. I think that would be significant. But I also am highly sceptical of the numbers. I think they're testing all the dead people and people on death's door, and none of the people who fight off the virus with mild symptoms. And the media is turning the whole thing into an orgasmic attention-seeking frenzy to fill their pockets with ad money.
Do you think China' media was turning the whole thing into an orgasmic attention-seeking frenzy to fill their pockets with ad money?
 

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One thing that fascinates me is that so many people seem to almost want an apocalypse to happen, whether it be the coronavirus, the extinction rebellion, societal collapse, etc. I don't think that they want people to suffer per se either; I just think there's something going on with the cultural psyche where people like the idea of living through the apocalypse. It's a weird time to be alive.
I've picked up on this as well and it is concerning.
 

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Do you think China' media was turning the whole thing into an orgasmic attention-seeking frenzy to fill their pockets with ad money?
Highly unlikely - In China's highly controlled, authoritarian, regime this would require government approval, if not out right cooperation. The Chinese government only cares about staying in power, which requires a strong economy to keep the Chinese sheeple content. If you think we're scripted in the west...but that's a different rant. Back to the question. The Chinese government would not have risked the long term economic pain for a momentary advertising frenzy.
 

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As someone else said, this points more and more towards it being an engineered virus accidentally released on its maker.

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Here's how the body's immune response normally works:

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xotNiLJDT-c

....

Here's how it's working with this new virus (see 12:25-13:05):

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OQFBUgDgG_k

....

Here's the info about the SARS vaccine that I mentioned (see 13:58-18:22):
View: https://youtu.be/HrqRAtViUZw?t=838

....

Here's one instance of the surprise expressed (12:50-13:03):
View: https://youtu.be/OQFBUgDgG_k?t=770
Let's recap...

In your original post, you said:

"As someone else said, this points more and more towards it being an engineered virus accidentally released on its maker."

I asked for proof, and you provided the videos above. I watched all the videos, and not a single one at any point even remotely suggested the idea that this virus isn't naturally occurring. Didn't allude to it. Didn't imply it. And certainly didn't say it.

The best you could provide was that one of the doctors in one video expressed some surprise at the behavior of this virus:

"Here's one instance of the surprise expressed (12:50-13:03):"

I watched that clip. He expressed surprise that patient was feeling better so quickly.

Then I scrolled down the comments and found this comment -- and subsequent reply from the doctor who made the video:

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Basically, someone suggesting that this might not be surprising AT ALL. And the doctor agreeing that, yes, that might be the case.

So, in summary:

You claimed that there was evidence that this was an engineered virus and that there were respected medical and scientific professionals that espoused that view. But, you couldn't provide any substantiation for that claim.
 

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My suppliers are still working at a small capacity but this virus will make everyone question their supply chain with China etc.
Do you have much official confirmation? Just curious really

I have spoken to a lot of sales managers that are back to work. factory owners hoping for the best..I have received a lot of "we will begin soon" from many factories that I deal with.

I've also received "our factory is back to work" from plenty of new contacts on Alibaba.

My bicycle factories keep saying they're opening soon but cannot comment on when component factories will open as well. Only that they have applied to reopen "soon" It's all quite terrible at the moment.

We have some staff going back to Yiwu but Yiwu market is a ghost town with very few shops open even though the Yiwu government is providing free hotels and even flights in some cases to kick things off again.

I'm dealing with a couple of factories in the south that say they will open back up on the 1st but nothing is guaranteed as far as I'm concerned. Another factory in Hebei says back to work, production on schedule, and shipment to sail out next Sunday but it's difficult to get that actual shipment booking out of them. Waited all day today..

So I'm curious if small capacity is small production capacity or just people answering and quoting / hoping for deposits so they don't collapse. Seems most factories are just hoping to spread good news so people don't begin looking at other countries
 

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"People want to be a part of something bigger than themselves".

This is one of the keys to branding and marketing, I've learned. A brand that people talks and cares about.
Someone told me that about professional sports a while back - that they tap into your primal need to belong to a group and sell it to you. I all but stopped watching sports after that.
 

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Let's recap...

In your original post, you said:

"As someone else said, this points more and more towards it being an engineered virus accidentally released on its maker."

I asked for proof, and you provided the videos above. I watched all the videos, and not a single one at any point even remotely suggested the idea that this virus isn't naturally occurring. Didn't allude to it. Didn't imply it. And certainly didn't say it.

The best you could provide was that one of the doctors in one video expressed some surprise at the behavior of this virus:

"Here's one instance of the surprise expressed (12:50-13:03):"

I watched that clip. He expressed surprise that patient was feeling better so quickly.

Then I scrolled down the comments and found this comment -- and subsequent reply from the doctor who made the video:

View attachment 30770

Basically, someone suggesting that this might not be surprising AT ALL. And the doctor agreeing that, yes, that might be the case.

So, in summary:

You claimed that there was evidence that this was an engineered virus and that there were respected medical and scientific professionals that espoused that view. But, you couldn't provide any substantiation for that claim.
Just wanted to point out that I did not make this assertion.

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That statement was from here:

As someone else said, this points more and more towards it being an engineered virus accidentally released on its maker.
My statements were pointed toward this part of the discussion:

I don’t buy that people can get it a second time, especially in such a short timeframe.

imagine that when you get infected, the volume of viruses produced becomes like a swimming pool full of water. Your immune system mounts a response and drains the pool. Then right after it’s challenged with 1 drop and all the immunity your body built to drain the pool can’t handle that one drop.

unlikely. Unless you encounter a mutated virus your immunity is ineffective against.

sometimes immunity can dwindle over time, but not in days or weeks. Usually it’s years or decades.

the more likely explanation is that either the first of the second Illness was misattributed to Coronavirus. something like a false positive test result. Or they are going on clinical symptoms alone which is highly inaccurate.
 

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You claimed that there was evidence that this was an engineered virus and that there were respected medical and scientific professionals that espoused that view. But, you couldn't provide any substantiation for that claim.
I saw this in the NY Post a few days ago.

 

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Do you think China' media was turning the whole thing into an orgasmic attention-seeking frenzy to fill their pockets with ad money?
No, but we aren't reading the news in Chinese either. If we were, I'm sure we would be talking about other things, like what our great leaders are doing about the problem, or something. Since many of us read US media (including web media) instead, we get panic, fear, and "this Grandma in Oklahoma found one weird trick to fight off traffic tickets and Coronavirus." So much credibility.
 

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I saw this in the NY Post a few days ago.

Come on, people... Do some research before posting...

First, this is an "Opinion" piece in the NY Post. And the piece provides exactly zero evidence...just a bunch of stories and conspiracy theories...

Second, it wasn't written by a scientist or even a medical professional. The author is an activist who has spent his life trying to expose all of China's wrongdoings. (Not that this is a bad thing, but it makes you question any of his "opinions" or motives on anything related to China.)

Turns out he's lied about China before...and even got kicked out of his Stanford PhD program for it:


Again, if there are any respectable sources with actual evidence, I'd love to see it. But, if you just keep posting conspiracy theory articles from random people with fringe opinions, it's only going to hurt your case.

And, by the way, I'm not saying the engineered virus thing isn't a possibility...but there are millions of possibilities, and latching on to the one that happens to match your personal ideology, while ignore the rest, just doesn't make sense to me.
 

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Just wanted to point out that I did not make this assertion.

View attachment 30773
That statement was from here:



My statements were pointed toward this part of the discussion:
MY APOLOGIES!!!

I confused a quote from someone else, and that certainly wasn't my intent.

Again, I apology for my mistake.
 

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Also, going from 6.6 to 8.4 would be a 27% increase in mortality rate. In other words, more than 1/4 of the survivors at the 6.6 rate would die if 8.4 is correct. I think that would be significant.
And 100% of those between the 6.6% rate and 8.4% rate will have died!!! Now THAT'S significant...

That's my favorite part about statistics -- using them to make things sound dramatic! ;)
 

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Come on, people... Do some research before posting...
Lol. Sorry for offending you. I thought the article was interesting and that others might like to read it. Didn't realize I was posting in a @JScott reviewed scientific journal.
 

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Get food. Lots of it.
20 pounds of rice has ~31,000 calories
20 pounds of peanut butter has ~53,000 calories
20 pounds of pinto beans has ~22,000 calories
1.5 liters of olive oil has ~10,000 calories.
20 pounds of flour has ~33,000 calories.

Figure out what people are going to need (calorie wise) and get to work. 14 - 30 days is a good start. Something like 60,000 calories per person per month is a good ballpark number. If they are large people then adjust upwards, if they are small people adjust downwards.
What about the 30 pounds I would like to lose? How many weeks can I get by on that?

Yeah, I think we will head to Costco today and buy heavier than normal on groceries and whatnot. If not for prepping, just to spend less time out in public areas over the coming weeks.

We also have a massive primary election on Tuesday. Thousands of voters are going to all be touching the same 8-10 voting machines. That could stir some things up.
 

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Lol. Sorry for offending you. I thought the article was interesting and that others might like to read it. Didn't realize I was posting in a @JScott reviewed scientific journal.
You most certainly didn't offend me. And you're allowed to post whatever you want to post.

But, I assume that I'm allowed to critique whatever posts I want to critique, including pointing out the things that I think are crap?

Seems pretty fair, right?
 

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Come on, people... Do some research before posting...

First, this is an "Opinion" piece in the NY Post. And the piece provides exactly zero evidence...just a bunch of stories and conspiracy theories...

Second, it wasn't written by a scientist or even a medical professional. The author is an activist who has spent his life trying to expose all of China's wrongdoings. (Not that this is a bad thing, but it makes you question any of his "opinions" or motives on anything related to China.)

Turns out he's lied about China before...and even got kicked out of his Stanford PhD program for it:


Again, if there are any respectable sources with actual evidence, I'd love to see it. But, if you just keep posting conspiracy theory articles from random people with fringe opinions, it's only going to hurt your case.

And, by the way, I'm not saying the engineered virus thing isn't a possibility...but there are millions of possibilities, and latching on to the one that happens to match your personal ideology, while ignore the rest, just doesn't make sense to me.
I saw a video yesterday where they interviewed a scientist at a research lab in Bangkok. She mentioned, in passing, that they found a virus in bats before that's 99% the same as the Wuhan virus. It sounded honest.

Damn, can't find it back...

Just the fact that this virus has the characteristics that it has, doesn't mean it has been fabricated. There could have been 100 viruses before, that were almost a 'hit' but didn't 'make' it. Died out after a few infections, could not live in humans, etc.
 

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