The Worldwide C0VlD-19 Coronavirus Pandemic Discussion Thread...

[Vigilante]

Well, I don’t think it CAN go on like this for much longer. Our society isn’t built to operate like this

People are getting bored more than anything. I can’t imagine how bored people must be of sitting at home and watching Netflix, as they’re furloughed from their job.

Like I and others have said before, there will be civil unrest if this continues. And if the government tries to bribe us with more money, well there will be the morons who continue to take it, because unfortunately there are people in America who believe socialism is the answer and will continue to be government cheer leaders.

Ultimately though, people are waking up more and more and realizing this ISNT sustainable, and want to get back to work.

Social distancing is a joke. In the grocery store is it impossible to maintain a 6 foot distance from people. Nor is it natural for us to do.

This is my speculation, but I’m thinking that things will start opening back up in may. They’ll probably tell people to wear masks and do anti social distancing, but I think that our overlords will start to get life back to normal.

The big problem with us trying tohandle this virus, is the fact that we can’t.

We as humans have survived for hundreds of thousands of years. And the reason we are still here and have conquered the planet, is because we developed an immune system to fight off intruders in our bodies.

So this proactive approach really missed the point of what actually has to happen: we need to build immunity. Not hide from it in our houses.

What you will hopefully sees when it opens back up is no change in the curve. Meaning, if we are where I hope we are, it opens back up conservatively from a social distancing standpoint and nothing happens.

However, what we need to anticipate is sensationalism of micro problems on re-entry. Here's why... if they start to open it back up and there are no issues, than the emperor is revealed to have no clothes. I predict some aspect of a manufactured second wave crisis, if only to never admit the overreach.

 

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[ShepardHumphries]

 

[Vigilante]

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This thread has 130 pages, and you may have just authored my favorite post of the whole thread.

 

[MTF]

Well, I don’t think it CAN go on like this for much longer. Our society isn’t built to operate like this

As much as I'm skeptical about the global response (aside from a few countries), I find it funny that you believe that people can't go on like that.

I used to believe that as well but unfortunately it just doesn't work this way as countless examples have shown. People have no choice but to listen to their governments, no matter how stupid and draconian the measures are.

Please notice that in the US you don't even have a real strict lockdown like in many other countries around the world. I'm not saying this to deny that it's an inconvenience for you—it's just to point out that millions of people around the world have it sooooo much worse yet there's no civil unrest.

People in certain countries need to receive a permit from the government just to leave their house (Cyprus), need to carry a written signed statement why they're outside (France), can only go shopping on certain days during a certain narrow window of time and can't leave under any other non-emergency circumstances (Panama), or are straight out killed when they break a curfew (South Africa). And these are just a few examples.

Consider that people in Italy and Spain, two countries already economically ruined, have been under a strict lockdown for over 5 weeks. This is a real lockdown with most of the population leaving home only to get groceries—everything else is closed or illegal, including solitary exercise outdoors. Many of those people have lost their jobs or can't afford food anymore. Some even turn for help to mafia (check the situation in Italy).

What makes you think Americans won't tolerate a lockdown that's arguably, for the most part, a super light version of a lockdown?

I'm not saying this because I believe in any of the measures (I have no idea but I'm leaning toward it being BS over the long term). Just genuinely curious if you believe that Americans will rebel considering your lockdown isn't as strict (I only gave you a few examples, there are many countries that have it super bad) and your economic situation not as dire as in already bankrupt Italy and Spain (let alone many super poor third world countries).

Social distancing is a joke. In the grocery store is it impossible to maintain a 6 foot distance from people. Nor is it natural for us to do.

Pretty simple with customer limits already enforced in most countries around the world. Unfortunately what we consider natural or not doesn't matter for the governments and public health agencies, particularly when it comes to pandemics.

During the 2013-2016 Ebola outbreak in West Africa people couldn't touch the bodies of their loved ones because that's when it was the easiest to contract the virus. It was completely unnatural for them not to be able to properly bury their loved ones, yet to control the virus it was of paramount importance to teach people not to do it.

Coronavirus is much, much milder for most people than Ebola but whether we like it or not, they won't stop talking about social distancing and using other extremely annoying catchphrases to get what they want—compliance (whether looking back it will turn out unnecessary or not). Staying 6 feet away from strangers isn't really asking much compared to the Ebola situation (which is why almost everyone is on board and doesn't even question it much).

Again, just sharing my observations as a person leaning towards your views, who has been fooling himself that more people will question their governments who have shown over and over again that they don't know what they're doing—and with just a few exceptions like Sweden they don't have the courage to admit it.

 

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[Kak]

 

[James Klymus]

People have no choice but to listen to their governments, no matter how stupid and draconian the measures are.

That’s how America was founded. Because people were tired of listening to the government.

I think America is an anomaly, not just because I live here but because the reason why America exists is because we didn’t want to take shit from a government. Freedom is heavily engrained in our society.

As for other European and Asian countries, I would somewhat agree with you. The people certainly have less power in those countries.

 

[Bekit]

You are all familiar with Godwin's Law, right?

"There is a tradition in many newsgroups and other Internet discussion forums that, when a Hitler comparison is made, the thread is finished and whoever made the comparison loses whatever debate is in progress. This principle is itself frequently referred to as Godwin's law."

If you have to compare pandemic planning to Hitler and rounding up the Jews, you have lost. Full stop.

For this to be valid, it rests on the assumption that (A) Hitler is the worst expression of evil that we could possibly draw a comparison to and (B) The thing that we're comparing to Hitler is so far beneath the level and scale of what Hitler did that it's unworthy of the comparison.

I think both of those assumptions are going to be called into question in how this plays out.

I can see your point if we're talking about something like...

Person A: Can you believe that the local grocery store is charging $9.99 for a 10-lb bag of potatoes??

Person B: Oh my goodness, those evil price gougers! They're as bad as Hitler!

Person B automatically loses.

Fine.

But at this point, no one knows what the second- and third-order effects from this pandemic are going to be. Even if the virus disappeared from the earth yesterday, we'd still be cleaning up the aftermath of the situation for probably a decade, and it wouldn't be pretty.

I think it's entirely plausible that we're about to walk into a Hitler-sized world emergency.

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Which leads me to my second point.

I think it is abundantly clear from my posts that I've been taking this virus very seriously.

And I've observed a strange, seemingly artificial "sorting" of ideas.

It's as if the people who oppose government overreach MUST also think that the virus is not a big deal.

And the people who think the virus is a big deal MUST also think that government overreach is a welcome intervention.

So people are being pitted against each other.

And in the ensuing argument, we lose the ability to come to any sort of unanimous consensus that both treats the virus as seriously as it warrants AND puts up stalwart opposition to government overreach.

This is a major loss for rational, thinking people.

It puts me in the position that while I'd like to reach out to the @Kak 's and @Vigilante 's of the world, I hesitate to because now I think they're just gonna look at me like someone who burns virgins at the stake unless I recant and join them in thinking that the virus is some contrived excuse for government overreach and not a dangerous pathogen.

Meanwhile, I'm sitting over here in total dismay at the nonsensical actions that are being taken by governments worldwide, and I would LOVE to have a really good conversation about what can possibly be done to put up the MOST STALWART OPPOSITION POSSIBLE to the unbelievable loss of liberty that is taking place in front of my eyes.

I'm honestly feeling pretty helpless against the decisions that are being made. Does anybody have any good ideas that would actually help preserve our liberties?

And can we talk about it in a way that doesn't pit people against each other due to an automatic dismissal of [what I think are legitimate, scientific, biological facts about] the virus?

 

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[MTF]

I think America is an anomaly, not just because I live here but because the reason why America exists is because we didn’t want to take shit from a government. Freedom is heavily engrained in our society.

I think America is long past these ideas and less free than many other countries around the world. That's why I don't expect it's any different than any other place.

(As a side note, as a non-American who travels a lot, one of the moments I felt the least free was in the US during an extremely unpleasant encounter with the border patrol threatening my girlfriend and me with a gun. The second and third close similar situations were in poor third world countries.)

 

[VTK]

Anyway, away from the politics for a second. The new Andy Frisella podcast is absolute dope:

21. Real Talk: The Gift Of The Quarantine

What are you doing with your time during this quarantine? There was an article posted by Forbes Magazine, basically shaming those who are using the extra time to their advantage and progressing themselves, compared to those who are drinking more, smoking weed, and watching porn. In today's...

andyfrisella.com

 

[Trevor Kuntz]

For this to be valid, it rests on the assumption that (A) Hitler is the worst expression of evil that we could possibly draw a comparison to and (B) The thing that we're comparing to Hitler is so far beneath the level and scale of what Hitler did that it's unworthy of the comparison.

I think both of those assumptions are going to be called into question in how this plays out.

I can see your point if we're talking about something like...

Person A: Can you believe that the local grocery store is charging $9.99 for a 10-lb bag of potatoes??

Person B: Oh my goodness, those evil price gougers! They're as bad as Hitler!

Person B automatically loses.

Fine.

But at this point, no one knows what the second- and third-order effects from this pandemic are going to be. Even if the virus disappeared from the earth yesterday, we'd still be cleaning up the aftermath of the situation for probably a decade, and it wouldn't be pretty.

I think it's entirely plausible that we're about to walk into a Hitler-sized world emergency.

=================

Which leads me to my second point.

I think it is abundantly clear from my posts that I've been taking this virus very seriously.

And I've observed a strange, seemingly artificial "sorting" of ideas.

It's as if the people who oppose government overreach MUST also think that the virus is not a big deal.

And the people who think the virus is a big deal MUST also think that government overreach is a welcome intervention.

So people are being pitted against each other.

And in the ensuing argument, we lose the ability to come to any sort of unanimous consensus that both treats the virus as seriously as it warrants AND puts up stalwart opposition to government overreach.

This is a major loss for rational, thinking people.

It puts me in the position that while I'd like to reach out to the @Kak 's and @Vigilante 's of the world, I hesitate to because now I think they're just gonna look at me like someone who burns virgins at the stake unless I recant and join them in thinking that the virus is some contrived excuse for government overreach and not a dangerous pathogen.

Meanwhile, I'm sitting over here in total dismay at the nonsensical actions that are being taken by governments worldwide, and I would LOVE to have a really good conversation about what can possibly be done to put up the MOST STALWART OPPOSITION POSSIBLE to the unbelievable loss of liberty that is taking place in front of my eyes.

I'm honestly feeling pretty helpless against the decisions that are being made. Does anybody have any good ideas that would actually help preserve our liberties?

And can we talk about it in a way that doesn't pit people against each other due to an automatic dismissal of [what I think are legitimate, scientific, biological facts about] the virus?

I think many people are feeling this way. The polarization and loudness of the US conversation have reached such a point that the virus itself has taken third priority and nuance about the response is more or less gone. All that is left is memes and sound bites.

For me personally, it's like living in the Twilight Zone. Business is way up, the cases here in Phoenix are relatively few, and only one person I know has died so far. Yet, no idea if the virus will emerge here again in the fall, my mom (a nurse) is still working 12 hour days (on her 3rd week now), and my girlfriend's mom (a physician) has been essentially drafted into an ICU team for 30 days to relieve the hospital's doctors. Yet, I go outside and it's like life-as-normal. Very surreal.

 

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[James Klymus]

For this to be valid, it rests on the assumption that (A) Hitler is the worst expression of evil that we could possibly draw a comparison to and (B) The thing that we're comparing to Hitler is so far beneath the level and scale of what Hitler did that it's unworthy of the comparison.

I think both of those assumptions are going to be called into question in how this plays out.

I can see your point if we're talking about something like...

Person A: Can you believe that the local grocery store is charging $9.99 for a 10-lb bag of potatoes??

Person B: Oh my goodness, those evil price gougers! They're as bad as Hitler!

Person B automatically loses.

Fine.

But at this point, no one knows what the second- and third-order effects from this pandemic are going to be. Even if the virus disappeared from the earth yesterday, we'd still be cleaning up the aftermath of the situation for probably a decade, and it wouldn't be pretty.

I think it's entirely plausible that we're about to walk into a Hitler-sized world emergency.

=================

Which leads me to my second point.

I think it is abundantly clear from my posts that I've been taking this virus very seriously.

And I've observed a strange, seemingly artificial "sorting" of ideas.

It's as if the people who oppose government overreach MUST also think that the virus is not a big deal.

And the people who think the virus is a big deal MUST also think that government overreach is a welcome intervention.

So people are being pitted against each other.

And in the ensuing argument, we lose the ability to come to any sort of unanimous consensus that both treats the virus as seriously as it warrants AND puts up stalwart opposition to government overreach.

This is a major loss for rational, thinking people.

It puts me in the position that while I'd like to reach out to the @Kak 's and @Vigilante 's of the world, I hesitate to because now I think they're just gonna look at me like someone who burns virgins at the stake unless I recant and join them in thinking that the virus is some contrived excuse for government overreach and not a dangerous pathogen.

Meanwhile, I'm sitting over here in total dismay at the nonsensical actions that are being taken by governments worldwide, and I would LOVE to have a really good conversation about what can possibly be done to put up the MOST STALWART OPPOSITION POSSIBLE to the unbelievable loss of liberty that is taking place in front of my eyes.

I'm honestly feeling pretty helpless against the decisions that are being made. Does anybody have any good ideas that would actually help preserve our liberties?

And can we talk about it in a way that doesn't pit people against each other due to an automatic dismissal of [what I think are legitimate, scientific, biological facts about] the virus?

I only speak for my self here, but I know that I’ve just been posting here to blow off steam. It’s a complicated situation and no one knows what to do.

I don’t think that this is the death of freedom, and I don’t think that We should discredit the virus as not a big deal.

We’re in a difficult time and it’s easy to get over emotional

 

[GuestUser4aMPs1]

Now, Puerto Rican hospitals are starting to lay off workers because not enough people are getting sick. WTF...

Hospitales advierten sobre nueva ronda de despidos

Por la baja ocupación que enfrentan Los hospitales de Puerto Rico, mayoritariamente privados, se enfrentan a una nueva ronda de despidos a causa de una ocupación de sólo el 30% provocada, entre otras ...

www.noticel.com

You know what, I'm done with all of this. Not even worried about it anymore.
I'll only occasionally check if our almighty idiots in power lay off their BS.

Puerto Rico (and the US by extension) have dumbfucked themselves into a corner.

This helicopter government and their useful idiots enforcing these measures (The Cops and Karens of the world) are literally too stupid for their own good. With every news report that comes in, I can't help but just laugh at how the world has gone full retard.

Who can't help but laugh at its absurdity?

Now if you'll excuse me, I'm going on a brisk non-essential run around the neighborhood.
The sunset really makes it worth it!

 

[NovaAria]

We as humans have survived for hundreds of thousands of years. And the reason we are still here and have conquered the planet, is because we developed an immune system to fight off intruders in our bodies.

I fully agree with your thinking, but I have to remind you that each pandemic event took down a severe number of individuals with it. That immunity came at the expense of millions of lives. The Black Plague took between a third and two third of the entirety of Europe's population at the time.
In an ideal scenario. We would calculate the spread rates and do a controlled burn, knowing perfectly well where and how much the virus is spreading in each city and county.
Obviously, this requires a lot of efficiency and forward-thinking, two things no government was ever blessed with.

Hopefully, now that the whole "Hide your wives, hide your kids" plan showed its actual cost on the economy, governments will start implementing a controlled burn before things really get out of hands. Italy, Spain and others seem to follow this mindset, as they are starting to loosen up the quarantine policies.

The US case is interesting because there is Trump on one side, and individual state governors on the other. Mind you am not a US citizen so am only talking about what am seeing, but so far it seems that states are simply one-upping each other on who can lock down the hardest. Any economical cost will be chalked up to "Think of the elderly. We did it for the greater good."
After all, no one wants to be the next New York, even though there is a land and sky difference between New York and Montana.

 

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[Bearcorp]

All over the Aussie news this morning is a mobile app which tells you if you've come in contact with someone that's tested positive to C0VlD-19. Tracking us. Theres less than 500 confirmed cases in my whole state. It's a no from me.

Meanwhile, a supermarket Director has received praise for refusing a refund to someone who stockpiled 4800 rolls of toilet paper and 150 bottles of hand sanitiser ;

Drakes Supermarket Director's Message To Man Wanting Refund On 150 Packs Of Toilet Paper

 

[msufan]

It's important to realize that the articles we read are outliers. For example: "Indonesia deploying 'ghosts' to scare people into staying inside" begins the headline for this article.

Then you read deeper: "A youth group in the village of Kepuh, in central Java, decided to recruit volunteer ghosts to patrol the streets, hoping that the sight of them would send anyone feeling home to hide under the bed-covers."

So one youth group got together a few people in one part of one town to do this as a stunt. Someone took a picture, and BAM -- clickbait!

We all have to be aware not to fall for the clickbait when we see one dude somewhere being arrested by an overzealous cop, to where we generalize that "this is what is happening everywhere" when it's not.

 

[Tommo]

The IMF predicts the worst economic downturn in a century, no shit, who'd a thunk it.
Also they say the OZ economy will shrink by 6.7%, yes exactly 6.7% and we don't even know when things will be turned around. Fkn awesome predictions from these muppets.

 

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[Visionary96]

Went to the hardware store to pick up some basic items and shit you not, it was like border patrol. Staff outside with clipboards pointing cars into allocated bays and demanding to know what online pick up item you have to collect so they can shove it your car boot then rush you off. The staff seemed to have genuinely enjoyed their pathetic little authority roles. Then the supermarket 2 minutes down the road is letting anyone in at anytime, pretty much ignoring social distancing rules. One extreme to another.

 

[Kak]

People have no choice but to listen to their governments, no matter how stupid and draconian the measures are.

If this were the case America would still be England.

I do agree with you though. The USA is less free than most of the civilized world despite all of the bootlicking freedom proclaimers. They simultaniously "back the blue" while saying shit like "come and take it." They clearly don't understand who will be "coming and taking."

 

[Vigilante]

If this were the case America would still be England.

I do agree with you though. The USA is less free than most of the civilized world despite all of the bootlicking freedom proclaimers. They simultaniously "back the blue" while saying shit like "come and take it." They clearly don't understand who will be "coming and taking."

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France has us to thank for the fact that they don’t speak German.

 

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[ChrisV]

Lockdown is the only option don't you agree?

No, I definitely don't think it's the only option.

I think there are a couple options now. You can quarantine just the most vulnerable populations. Then we have other options like contact tracing (Apple & Google are working on a voluntary program,) masks, testing for C0VlD-19, testing for C0VlD-19 antibodies. With the antibody test we can start safely allowing people who have already had it go back to work. Probably what they're going to do in the US is gradually start lifting the lockdowns and potentially replacing them with some of other solutions listed above.

But it's complicated here. The attitudes toward social distancing and quarantines are divided in the US. The northern and southern states have had a long history of political division. The northern states in general want to stay locked down, and the southern states in general want to lift the lockdowns. Which is fine because the state government are the ones with the authority to.




Basically everyone I've spoken from NY / CT / PA are pro-quarantine, while the people in the southern states are generally against it.

I mean the North and South have had idealogical differences since forever.



And it's an idealogical gap that largely remains to this day.



I've been saying for years that I think it would be better for both parties if the US Northern and Southern US just split up. The Southern states have their laws and the Northerners can have theres. You have way too many ideologies under one legal roof, and generally really large countries have very dysfunctional governments (ie China, Russia, and to a lesser extent the US)

I really believe this country is too big to have one federal government. If the Southern States don't like Abortion, they can outlaw it. If the Northern States are pro-choice, they can do their thing.

If the Northern states want a quarantine, they can do it. If the Southern states think it imposes on their freedoms, they don't have to. (Bad example since the individual states enacted these things, but the overall point remains.)

But with the US broken into parts the laws enacted would better reflect the beliefs of the people who are governed.

But anyway, yea.. I think it's gonna be time to start lifting the quarantines soon, depending on the state.

 

[James Klymus]

Okay, this is getting a little ridiculous. This is for the town next to mine, complete with a number to snitch on people having a fire in their backyard.

Next: I have allergies, let’s remove all flowers so my nose doesn’t itch.

This is technically an optional order, but the number to call to snitch on people is what gets me.

 

[Trevor Kuntz]

France has us to thank for the fact that they don’t speak German.

We have France to thank for not still being part of the commonwealth. And we all have Benjamin Franklin and Russian cannon fodder to thank for not speaking German.Lol.

No, I definitely don't think it's the only option.

I think there are a couple options now. You can quarantine just the most vulnerable populations. Then we have other options like contact tracing (Apple & Google are working on a voluntary program,) masks, testing for C0VlD-19, testing for C0VlD-19 antibodies. With the antibody test we can start safely allowing people who have already had it go back to work. Probably what they're going to do in the US is gradually start lifting the lockdowns and potentially replacing them with some of other solutions listed above.

But it's complicated here. The attitudes toward social distancing and quarantines are divided in the US. The northern and southern states have had a long history of political division. The northern states in general want to stay locked down, and the southern states in general want to lift the lockdowns. Which is fine because the state government are the ones with the authority to.


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Basically everyone I've spoken from NY / CT / PA are pro-quarantine, while the people in the southern states are generally against it.

I mean the North and South have had idealogical differences since forever.

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And it's an idealogical gap that largely remains to this day.

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I've been saying for years that I think it would be better for both parties if the US Northern and Southern US just split up. The Southern states have their laws and the Northerners can have theres. You have way too many ideologies under one legal roof, and generally really large countries have very dysfunctional governments (ie China, Russia, and to a lesser extent the US)

I really believe this country is too big to have one federal government. If the Southern States don't like Abortion, they can outlaw it. If the Northern States are pro-choice, they can do their thing.

If the Northern states want a quarantine, they can do it. If the Southern states think it imposes on their freedoms, they don't have to. (Bad example since the individual states enacted these things, but the overall point remains.)

But with the US broken into parts the laws enacted would better reflect the beliefs of the people who are governed.

But anyway, yea.. I think it's gonna be time to start lifting the quarantines soon, depending on the state.

As much as there are ideological differences between north and south, those county-by-county breakdowns also show a stark urban vs rural difference. People in rural areas generally drive further distances. Regardless, breaking up the US isn’t going to help any. Most states are way more “purple” than people tend to think and making political changes based on geographical areas isn’t going to change the demographics within those areas (at least, not without violence and lots of it).

 

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[ChrisV]

those county-by-county breakdowns also show a stark urban vs rural difference. People in rural areas generally drive further distances.

Interesting point. Just for a rough analysis, I overlaid a map of population density over that Travel map, and there does appear to be a definite correlation.




The dark spots are population density, and you can see they line up perfectly in many cases with counties that ceased travel early. Cities seemed to have ceased travel first.

 

[AgainstAllOdds]

http://instagr.am/p/B-s-9ZjH0YP/ View: https://www.instagram.com/p/B-s-9ZjH0YP/


f*cked up. A friend pointed out to me that Bill Gates's "vaccines" have done more harm than good - including sterilizing up to 2.3 million girls in Kenya.

I'm reading more but see merit to some of the conspiracies out there.

 

[Inimitable]

Interesting point. Just for a rough analysis, I overlaid a map of population density over that Travel map, and there does appear to be a definite correlation.

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The dark spots are population density, and you can see they line up perfectly in many cases with counties that ceased travel early. Cities seemed to have ceased travel first.

Yup...my parents live in a very rural part of NC and their closest grocery store is about 20 miles away. I live in a more suburban area although still somewhat rural, and our grocery store is about 7 miles away. There are days when we don't go anywhere of course, but when we have to go the closest large town for necessities (gas, food, medications, etc.) we're generally traveling at least 7 miles each way.

 

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[ChrisV]

Yup...my parents live in a very rural part of NC and their closest grocery store is about 20 miles away. I live in a more suburban area although still somewhat rural, and our grocery store is about 7 miles away. There are days when we don't go anywhere of course, but when we have to go the closest large town for necessities (gas, food, medications, etc.) we're generally traveling at least 7 miles each way.

They call those "Food Deserts"

Food desert - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

But that doesn't appear to account for the discrepancy in the data. It seems as though cities just stopped traveling first, likely because cities got hit before rural areas.

 

[splok]

But it's complicated here. The attitudes toward social distancing and quarantines are divided in the US. The northern and southern states have had a long history of political division. The northern states in general want to stay locked down, and the southern states in general want to lift the lockdowns. Which is fine because the state government are the ones with the authority to.


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I understand that a reduction in travel is an indication of changing behavior, but distance traveled seems like a dumb metric to measure social distancing. If I leave the house once a month but drive a few miles to stock up on groceries, I would be a red square, but someone who's attending neighborhood-wide parties/potlucks would be green. This looks like someone's fitting the data they have handy to the problem instead of caring if it's actually useful/actionable.

If we need an explanation other than "the south doesn't take this seriously", this matches pretty well with median income, so it's probably a result of a higher % of people driving to work because they have no other choice.

 

[Vigilante]

Stanford professor claims coronavirus death rate 'likely orders of magnitude lower' than first thought

Stanford professor claims coronavirus death rate 'likely orders of magnitude lower' than first thought

Let that sentence and “orders of MAGNITUDE lower” reverberate in your head a few minutes and consider the implications.

 

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[David Harrison]

This phrase was attributed by journalist "Ron Suskind" to an "unknown aid in the Bush administration.

"The aide said that guys like me were 'in what we call the reality-based community,' which he defined as people who 'believe that solutions emerge from your judicious study of discernible reality.' [...] 'That's not the way the world works anymore,' he continued. 'We're an empire now, and when we act, we create our reality. And while you're studying that reality—judiciously, as you will—we'll act again, creating other new realities, which you can study too, and that's how things will sort out. We're history's actors...and you, all of you, will be left just to study what we do'.[2]

And here's a link to an article from "The Club of Rome", a primary think tank for global policy.

A Green Reboot After the Pandemic - Club of Rome

24 March 2020 -

clubofrome.org

Whether the virus is as prevalent or not is irrelevant. The fact is, it has arrived at the most opportune moment to kick off this "Super Year" (2020).

The world is a stage my friends, and you're either an actor, or you're being entertained.
Our job as "entrepreneurs" is to get with the "new" game, and play it the best we're able.

Mark Joyner has released an interesting report if you want to take a look

Simpleology

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[OliviaBurnes]

For sure the impact will be just huge for every industry! People have no jobs, no possibility to go anywhere. For instance, I was about to go to Thailand when it all started, it was just insane!
But I am so concerned about the real estate though, the prices might go up very fast and while going abroad after it all ends it would be very unfortunate