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This guy is awesome. There's a reason he's in the position he's in. How to run an organization and think through a difficult problem:

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Turns out, the guy who supposedly backed off from his estimate of 500 million deaths in the UK is standing by his original data. Basically, he's STILL saying that up to 500 million might still die if the UK doesn't do intensive social distancing and other public health interventions. Here's his Twitter thread clearing up the misconception that he suddenly believes that COVID-19 is less lethal than he originally estimated. (The short story: He's found it to be MORE transmissible, not less.)

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3/4 - My evidence to Parliament referred to the deaths we assess might occur in the UK in the presence of the very intensive social distancing and other public health interventions now in place.

4/4 - Without these controls, our assessment remains that the UK would see the scale of deaths reported in our study (namely up to 500 thousand.)
 

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Turns out, the guy who supposedly backed off from his estimate of 500 million deaths in the UK is standing by his original data. Basically, he's STILL saying that up to 500 million might still die if the UK doesn't do intensive social distancing and other public health interventions. Here's his Twitter thread clearing up the misconception that he suddenly believes that COVID-19 is less lethal than he originally estimated. (The short story: He's found it to be MORE transmissible, not less.)

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3/4 - My evidence to Parliament referred to the deaths we assess might occur in the UK in the presence of the very intensive social distancing and other public health interventions now in place.

4/4 - Without these controls, our assessment remains that the UK would see the scale of deaths reported in our study (namely up to 500 thousand.)
So the pressure got to him. It’s basically career suicide within that arena to do what he did. Correcting the correction of his message may allow him to save face with his peers. And since nobody reported on it… No harm no foul. Unfortunately or fortunately his correction has more scientific weight.
 

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Masks work. The problem is: what happens when you take the mask off? The rest of your body is contaminated. As soon as any other part of your body or clothing touches your face, you're infected. People that work in hospitals know this, and they do things to keep this from happening. People that run around with just a mask don't. Their masks are a waste of resources.
That doesn’t change the fact that the masks themselves do work. They just assume that the general public would not properly be able to correctly use the mask. Is that the type of information you want the media reporting?

Did that stop you from getting some masks yourself?
 

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That doesn’t change the fact that the masks themselves do work. They just assume that the general public would not properly be able to correctly use the mask. Is that the type of information you want the media reporting?

Did that stop you from getting some masks yourself?
They don't work unless they're part of a full system. Its like a ship with a giant hole in the bottom. You can have the nicest engine, airtight compartments all over the place, etc. But with the hole, you're still gonna sink. Would the general public:

1) put on full PPE when going into a public place
2) Take it all off and dispose of it prior to getting into their car (if they didn't, they'd contaminate their car, negating the purpose of the mask). Oh, and when they take it off, they have to do it in a specific order and in a certain way to avoid contaminating themselves.
3) disinfect the stuff they brought home with them, cleaning the surfaces those items touched in the process
4) etc etc etc

If they wouldn't, then masks are a waste of resources that could be better used in hospitals. At best, masks delay the inevitable if not properly used.

I didn't buy any for myself.
 
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So the pressure got to him. It’s basically career suicide within that arena to do what he did. Correcting the correction of his message may allow him to save face with his peers. And since nobody reported on it… No harm no foul. Unfortunately or fortunately his correction has more scientific weight.
I love the confirmation bias in this thread...

Guy says, "Here's my data..." and people say, "BULLSHIT!!! HE CAN'T BE TRUSTED!!!"

Media then says, "Guy admits data is wrong..." and people say, "LOOK AT THE NEW DATA...HE'S RIGHT THIS TIME!!! SEE!!! WE WERE RIGHT ALL ALONG!!!"

Guy then says, "Media misinterpreted me..." and people say, "BULLSHIT!!! HE CAN'T BE TRUSTED!!!"

:rofl::rofl::rofl:
 

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I love the confirmation bias in this thread...

Guy says, "Here's my data..." and people say, "BULLSHIT!!! HE CAN'T BE TRUSTED!!!"

Media then says, "Guy admits data is wrong..." and people say, "LOOK AT THE NEW DATA...HE'S RIGHT THIS TIME!!! SEE!!! WE WERE RIGHT ALL ALONG!!!"

Guy then says, "Media misinterpreted me..." and people say, "BULLSHIT!!! HE CAN'T BE TRUSTED!!!"

:rofl::rofl::rofl:
I've only skimmed over his updated model, but my impression is that it doesn't say what the media (and people on this thread) think its says. There's nuance all over the place here, and you have to really pay attention on a journal article like that to pick up on it. Deep knowledge of the subject is also important. None of us have that, with the possible exception of @GIlman .

I'd love to see how an actual epidemiologist interprets his statements. I'm betting its quite different from what we're saying here.
 
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I'd like to give a bit of recognition to someone who usually shys away from the spotlight. There is a forum member who behind the scenes is working to make the global crisis a bit easier for the first responders. In an era where "entrepreneurs" get a bad rap from profiting on the misfortune and/or increased demand for in-demand products, there are some people behind the scenes.

A week or two ago I let it be known that I was searching for medical grade masks to equip an organization who has jump teams that are providing critical machine maintenance to hotspot hospitals in a several state service area. Their teams were out of N95 masks, yet continued working and going straight into hospitals dealing with CoronaVirus patients.

And in typical Fastlane Forum member fashion, a trait unique amongst many insiders at this place in contrast to the rest of the internet (and world, seemingly) a fastlane member stepped up and gave selflessly. Pulling some strings, he arranged for the delivery to me of multiple boxes of N95 masks. And before you ask, he depleted his entire resource to help me provide to this team, FREE OF CHARGE, with the critical protection they needed, just when they needed it. He sent me BOXES of masks, whose retail value has shot through the roof. The same products that are selling for ridiculous multiples, the same products that are impossible to get, the same masks that could have created a crazy profit had he just kept them and sold them... he sent them. In fact, he overnighted them. For free.

I was able to get them into the hands of the jump teams, who will be using them on the front lines. At a minimum, this selfless act kept people from getting sick, and possibly many due to the multiplication effect. At a maximum, we'll never know if he just literally may have saved a life or two or more.

I am not going to OUT him here, as he is the type of guy that doesn't ever ask for the limelight. For those of you who have attended the past few meetups, you might be able to pinpoint who it is but I ask that you not speculate on these pages to maintain his privacy and anonymity. But I know he will see this post, and I know that he already knows he's appreciated with a debt that cannot be repaid.

And that, folks, is what keeps a lot of us connected together through this forum.
 

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I love the confirmation bias in this thread...

Guy says, "Here's my data..." and people say, "BULLSHIT!!! HE CAN'T BE TRUSTED!!!"

Media then says, "Guy admits data is wrong..." and people say, "LOOK AT THE NEW DATA...HE'S RIGHT THIS TIME!!! SEE!!! WE WERE RIGHT ALL ALONG!!!"

Guy then says, "Media misinterpreted me..." and people say, "BULLSHIT!!! HE CAN'T BE TRUSTED!!!"

:rofl::rofl::rofl:
Except you, right? Everyone except you.

I'm done updating this thread with what I find for ya'all. It's become absurdity on both sides, and eroded from a discussion and fact finding mission into divided drivel. It started as one of the best threads in the history of this forum, but now has run it's course.

I have had one LEGENDARY MEMBER let me know he was bailing on the forum completely due to the sheer douchebagery of this thread, determining that he needed a break from you (nearly) all.

So, I'll still be reading, and moderating, but I will leave the commentary to the rest of you (armchair) experts. Ya'all can talk into your own reflection. Never forget that intellectual disagreement is not only healthy, but enlightening. Never stop learning. Don't be afraid to be wrong, as that recognition and acknowledgment just may be the edge of true wisdom.

Here's hoping to a continued trend of a break in the curve, and here's hoping that anyone whose eyes grace these pages stays healthy, stays smart, and stays CoronaVirus free.

- Dave
 
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This post is not for everyone, but I have been getting calls everyday about ways to TRY to protect yourself. I am working on a podcast episode (out tonight or tomorrow) on this topic of personal protection using the principles of sterility and sanitation from my medical training. Realize that these are not proven, these are my ideas based on extrapolation from lots of experience and practice in sterile techniques.

NOTE: Anything related to cleaning with chemicals, make sure you read the handling and safety warnings, chemicals can cause injury if not used properly in the proper setting.

For those into this type of thing, you might find this interesting...

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Practical Coronavirus Protection for Your Family and Friends

Nothing except perfect isolation is 100%, precautions can help reduce the risk though.

Medical workers take precautions to reduce (Cannot Completely Eliminate) risk. Depending on measures taken, can nearly eliminate risk (e.g. hazmat suits with self breathing apparatus), but this type of stuff is not practical in almost all settings.

This is not an exact science, the goal always is to reduce risks as much as possible.

Realize to do this well requires obsessive behavior and thought to what you are doing. Lots of people probably can’t realistically pull this off, depends on attitude and personality.

General plan is personal cover up, isolation or sanitation of any exposed item.

Masks
  • CDC Guidance for the pubic is misleading - should are most effective as part of comprehensive PPE protection. Effectiveness is reduced if used alone without other cover-up. Effectiveness almost certainly > 0% when used alone.
  • Masks were reportedly part of the Chinese strategy, recommended for everyone.
    • Help prevent infected from spreading to others
    • Help prevent uninfected from catching it
  • Mask removal - minimize contact, touch finger loops behind ears
  • Sanitation - Isolate mask for days, some recommend heat In oven at 160 for 30 min (Unknown effectiveness)
Other PPE
  • Masks are just one part of PPE, it’s part of whole body protection
  • You could duplicate this personally
    • Cover as much or your body as reasonable before you leave
    • Idea loose fitting, easy to remove items that you can wash often
      • Sweat pants, scrubs, PJ pants, etc
      • Loose fitting long sleeve shirts, zippered light jackets, etc
      • Gloves, rubber or other impermeable is ideal, but other still offer protection
      • Head covering, hat or beanie.
    • Shoes
      • May be harder to protect since we shoe covers are harder to duplicate
      • If possible can leave shoes outside, ideally in sunshine
      • Multiple pairs, of shoes, rotate and let sit days between wears
    • Part of PPE is removal techniques
      • Think inside vs outside
      • Remove by touching outside with gloved had, inside with ungloved hand
        • Do not touch any part inside clothes while gloved
        • Do not touch any part outside clothes after ungloved
        • Take off shoes while gloved, quarantine shoes (ideally 3 days in sunshine)
        • Step into house from outside with everything else on
        • Place items into wash machine, ideally leave washer open before you left
        • Remove sweat pants, touching only outside during removal. Place in washer.
        • Remove hat beanie, touch only outside. Place in Washer
        • Remove Gloves
          • First glove pull off from fingers
          • Second glove place finger inside top of other glove without touching outside
          • Place in Washer if machine washable
        • Remove shirt or jacket
          • If jacket should unzip before gloves removed (don’t remove yet)
          • After gloves are removed, remove shirt or jacket only touching part against your body (not outside)
          • Place in washer
        • Run washer with hot water and detergents, bleach is best if it won’t ruin the clothes since bleach is sanitizing.
      • Wash hands and arms up to elbows with soap and water for 20 seconds with good scrubbing.
Cars
  • Things like cars and dealing with purchased products are hard situations
  • Letting sit in sun (heat + UV) should help sanitize.
  • Alcohol or other sanitizing wipes, be careful of bleach based products.
  • Use gloves and makeshift PPE even in car, don’t want to accidentally contaminate hands
  • Leave non-perishable heat stable groceries in the car for 2+ days, or quarantine them away from your living space if possible.
  • Other bags place on counter top (assume infected), sanitize counters after done and bags disposed of
  • Wash and clean things before putting away using appropriate products.
    • Becareful of what you put directly on food you will eat.
    • Dilute bleach solution in sink (read how to do this, bleach can burn if not diluted right)
    • Alcohol
    • Soap & Water
    • Soak in water
Behavior Changes
  • Start thinking what likely clean vs likely dirty
  • Touch presumed dirty with gloved hand
  • Touch presumed clean with ungloved hand
  • Sometimes you will need to wear one glove with other hand ungloved
  • Regular hand washing
Supplements
  • This isn’t my area I’m experienced in, and I haven’t looked at studies or data
  • Zinc, decrease virus access to cells
  • Vitamin C, optimize immune health
Packages
  • Time, open air, and sunshine sanitize (1 day min, ideally 2-3)
  • Alcohol and bleach solutions sanitize
  • Quarantine and/or clean packages
Rooms Sick or Quarantined Have Stayed In
  • Communicate with sick by cell or factime/skype if possible
  • Check on them in person if ever in doubt about their well being or you can’t reach them, mask and PPE like going out if appropriate and able.
  • After they clear the illness, it would take several days and the room should clear of any live virus. Can use Clorox wipes and alcohol on hard surfaces as extra precaution
  • If people are placed into 14 day quarantine and never develop any symptoms, it is presumed they were never infected, and the room should not need any decontamination procedure.
 
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Except you, right? Everyone except you.
I prefer to deal in facts and data, and revise my beliefs as new facts and data emerge.

Amazing concept, huh?

Feel free to go back through the thread and find where I've made any statements about how many people are going to die, about whether the models are correct, about whether we should be keeping the economy shut down or open things up, or about anything else that requires expertise that I don't have and where I posted an opinion without a reputable source. (And if I ever did or do make those statements, I'm the first to admit that I'm an idiot for doing so, and it's probably purely out of ego, not intellect.)

That's the difference between me and a lot of people on this thread -- I'm willing to admit that I'm not smarter than the scientists, I'm not smarter than the doctors, I'm not smarter than the researchers, I'm not smarter than the modelers, I'm not smarter than the economists.
 

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I prefer to deal in facts and data, and revise my beliefs as new facts and data emerge.
For the record, it's people like you and @GIlman (and some others) that keep me coming back to this thread - people with data-driven attitudes that are willing to change and revise their opinions and theories as better data emerges.

This forum may have a rule against politics, but the attitude of some of the people in this thread is starting to sound a hell of a like like talking politics around the thanksgiving table.

I genuinely wonder if this is because a few days/weeks back, this was all theory about "other places". It's pretty easy to be impartial about how this is affecting the UK, affecting China, affecting Italy. We looked at numbers and went "huh, looking like...". But the last few days/week things have changed - it's on the majority of this forum's doorstep in Canada/USA. Numbers don't matter as much when it's in your backyard - now it's all about how you think it SHOULD work out, because it's personal. Just a theory.
 

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Just announced in Ireland... From midnight tonight until 12 April, everybody must stay at home except in specific circumstances.

This is with 2,121 confirmed cases, 71 in ICU, and 22 deaths. The worry is the trend.

Again, I'm struck by the clarity, measuredness, and leadership of the Irish government.

Here's the national news reporting on the announcement:


Here's more details (from: New restrictions: Exceptions for leaving your home).

With effect from midnight tonight, for two weeks until Easter Sunday 12 April, everybody must stay at home in all circumstances:

Except

- To travel to and from work for the purposes of work only where the work is an essential health, social care or other essential service or cannot be done from home (a list of these will be provided)

- To shop for food or household goods or collect a meal

- To attend medical appointments or collect medicines and other health products

- For vital family reasons, such as providing care to children, elderly or vulnerable people

- To take brief individual personal exercise within 2km of your own home which may include children from your own household as long as you adhere to two-metre physical distancing

- For farming purposes that is food production and care of animals

- All public and private gatherings of any number of people outside a single household or living unit are prohibited. The virus might be in your household already so please don't spread it to someone else

- This prohibition includes social family visits that are not for vital reasons already mentioned

- A further range of non-essential shops and services will be closed. The guidance given earlier this week in respect of retail outlets will be revised to reflect this

- Adult community education centres and local community centres will be shut

- All non-essential surgery and health procedures and all other non-essential health services will be postponed

- All visits to hospitals, residential healthcare settings and prisons are to cease, with specific exceptions on compassionate grounds

- Shielding or cocooning will be introduced for all those 70 years of age and specified categories of people who are extremely vulnerable to Covid-19

- Travel to our offshore islands will be limited to residents of those islands

- Pharmacists will be permitted to dispense medicines outside of the current period of validity with an existing prescription in line with the pharmacists clinical judgement

- All public transport and passenger travel will be restricted to essential workers and people providing essential services

- Outside of the reasons listed there is to be no travel outside a 2km radius of your home for any reason
 

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Here's some good news, though. This is the daily increase of new cases chart for Italy. Its levelling off, it seems

from: Operations Dashboard for ArcGIS

(you have to click on Italy on the left and then click Daily Increase on the bottom right to see this graph)
Cool. Good to see some good news.

The reason for my two back to back posts was that we need to be proactive and preemptive because the danger is very real.

In Ireland the community is responding because of the leadership from the top and their clear communication.

As the interviewer said in the clip you found (posted above this comment, and I paraphrase) ... it instills us with confidence when the leadership has clarity of purpose and is acting decisively and communicating clearly.

My dad was in the army for 22 years. He tells a story of after he'd left the military and was on a health and safety course. Everyone was asked to stand up and present to the group. The instructor said he'd certainly got everyone's attention and they all knew what needed to be done. (I can only imagine!)
 

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I'm done updating this thread with what I find for ya'all. It's become absurdity on both sides, and eroded from a discussion and fact finding mission into divided drivel. It started as one of the best threads in the history of this forum, but now has run it's course.
Selfishly, I hope you reconsider, because even though we don't quite agree on where this is going, you've added a lot to this thread, and it won't be the same without you. (Dammit.)
 

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Selfishly, I hope you reconsider, because even though we don't quite agree on where this is going, you've added a lot to this thread, and it won't be the same without you. (Dammit.)
you're still my fav
 

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So today, I try to deposit some checks for my husband's biz. I tried three times and never actually succeeded in reaching a teller. (Thanks to the virus, they've gone pretty much to drive-thru only.) This is how long the line was when the bank closed, leaving everyone waiting out of luck. I called the bank to see what was going on. They said it's a combination of technical problems and so many bank employees off work because schools are closed.

IMO, this is the kind of thing that leads to bank runs. People start to worry, "What the heck's going on? Why can't I get my money? How come I've tried three times and haven't been able to access my account?"

On other forums, people have mentioned that they've been unable to withdraw as much money as they'd like because banks are running short of cash on-hand.

On my first attempt today, the lines weren't moving because the Brinks (or whatever) truck was restocking cash. On my second attempt, I sat at the front of the line for 20 minutes, and never actually connected with a teller. The above pix shows what happened during my third unsuccessful attempt.

Crazy.
 

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I'd like to give a bit of recognition to someone who usually shys away from the spotlight. There is a forum member who behind the scenes is working to make the global crisis a bit easier for the first responders. In an era where "entrepreneurs" get a bad rap from profiting on the misfortune and/or increased demand for in-demand products, there are some people behind the scenes.

A week or two ago I let it be known that I was searching for medical grade masks to equip an organization who has jump teams that are providing critical machine maintenance to hotspot hospitals in a several state service area. Their teams were out of N95 masks, yet continued working and going straight into hospitals dealing with CoronaVirus patients.

And in typical Fastlane Forum member fashion, a trait unique amongst many insiders at this place in contrast to the rest of the internet (and world, seemingly) a fastlane member stepped up and gave selflessly. Pulling some strings, he arranged for the delivery to me of multiple boxes of N95 masks. And before you ask, he depleted his entire resource to help me provide to this team, FREE OF CHARGE, with the critical protection they needed, just when they needed it. He sent me BOXES of masks, whose retail value has shot through the roof. The same products that are selling for ridiculous multiples, the same products that are impossible to get, the same masks that could have created a crazy profit had he just kept them and sold them... he sent them. In fact, he overnighted them. For free.

I was able to get them into the hands of the jump teams, who will be using them on the front lines. At a minimum, this selfless act kept people from getting sick, and possibly many due to the multiplication effect. At a maximum, we'll never know if he just literally may have saved a life or two or more.

I am not going to OUT him here, as he is the type of guy that doesn't ever ask for the limelight. For those of you who have attended the past few meetups, you might be able to pinpoint who it is but I ask that you not speculate on these pages to maintain his privacy and anonymity. But I know he will see this post, and I know that he already knows he's appreciated with a debt that cannot be repaid.

And that, folks, is what keeps a lot of us connected together through this forum.
Thanks to both of you!
 

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Except you, right? Everyone except you.

I'm done updating this thread with what I find for ya'all. It's become absurdity on both sides, and eroded from a discussion and fact finding mission into divided drivel. It started as one of the best threads in the history of this forum, but now has run it's course.

I have had one LEGENDARY MEMBER let me know he was bailing on the forum completely due to the sheer douchebagery of this thread, determining that he needed a break from you (nearly) all.

So, I'll still be reading, and moderating, but I will leave the commentary to the rest of you (armchair) experts. Ya'all can talk into your own reflection. Never forget that intellectual disagreement is not only healthy, but enlightening. Never stop learning. Don't be afraid to be wrong, as that recognition and acknowledgment just may be the edge of true wisdom.

Here's hoping to a continued trend of a break in the curve, and here's hoping that anyone whose eyes grace these pages stays healthy, stays smart, and stays CoronaVirus free.

- Dave
I appreciate people contributing from different view points, hopefully things mellow out and we hear your voice again. Totally get wanting to take a breather or time away.

Hopefully it wasn’t my replies pushing you away, I mean no disrespect to anyone really, just trying to sort things out like everyone else. Well in full honesty I was a little snippy toward @Rivoli which I shouldn’t have been, just lots of his replies seemed like trolling, so I starting trolling the troll as it where. Your comments, even though often opposite of mine, I felt you had put honest time, thought, and energy into formulating. And I value anyone who is honestly trying to engage in meaningful discussion.

thanks for your contributions.
 

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On the lighter side, saw this today, it’s been like this all day. Since white gold is in such high demand, I was shocked on one grabbed it and took a risk on it. I don’t think anyone knows what this means. Someone’s going to just go for it eventually I assume.

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On the lighter side, saw this today, it’s been like this all day. Since white gold is in such high demand, I was shocked on one grabbed it and took a risk on it. I don’t think anyone knows what this means. Someone’s going to just go for it eventually I assume.

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Dang! I was wondering where I'd left that.
 

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On the lighter side, saw this today, it’s been like this all day. Since white gold is in such high demand, I was shocked on one grabbed it and took a risk on it. I don’t think anyone knows what this means. Someone’s going to just go for it eventually I assume.

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we lucked out and were able to grab a costco sized bag of the stuff. I've never been so grateful to see a shelf full of toilet paper in our closet. Wife and I were plotting and scheming on what to do if we ran out. None of the ideas we came up with were all that appealing.
 

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They don't work unless they're part of a full system. Its like a ship with a giant hole in the bottom. You can have the nicest engine, airtight compartments all over the place, etc.
No, the masks themselves work. You put a mask on your face properly and they form a protective barrier around your nose and mouth.

Masks were not designed to block viruses from getting onto your clothing or eyes or hair. They do what they were designed to do.

A ship with a giant hole in the bottom in not a ship. The engine inside that broken ship would still be an engine that functions as an engine.
 

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No, the masks themselves work. You put a mask on your face properly and they form a protective barrier around your nose and mouth.

Masks were not designed to block viruses from getting onto your clothing or eyes or hair. They do what they were designed to do.

A ship with a giant hole in the bottom in not a ship. The engine inside that broken ship would still be an engine that functions as an engine.
I feel like we're talking at each other, not with. So, I'll bow out.
 

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So today, I try to deposit some checks for my husband's biz. I tried three times and never actually succeeded in reaching a teller. (Thanks to the virus, they've gone pretty much to drive-thru only.) This is how long the line was when the bank closed, leaving everyone waiting out of luck. I called the bank to see what was going on. They said it's a combination of technical problems and so many bank employees off work because schools are closed.

IMO, this is the kind of thing that leads to bank runs. People start to worry, "What the heck's going on? Why can't I get my money? How come I've tried three times and haven't been able to access my account?"

On other forums, people have mentioned that they've been unable to withdraw as much money as they'd like because banks are running short of cash on-hand.

On my first attempt today, the lines weren't moving because the Brinks (or whatever) truck was restocking cash. On my second attempt, I sat at the front of the line for 20 minutes, and never actually connected with a teller. The above pix shows what happened during my third unsuccessful attempt.

Crazy.
What state is that?
 

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What state is that?
Alabama. On a related note, I just saw on the news that a bank employee was diagnosed as positive. Maybe that's part of it. Apparently, the employee's co-workers are now in quarantine. I suspect they're very low-staffed right now. BTW, this isn't a huge bank. It's a local/regional credit union.

Still, I've got to admit, it was a bit unsettling.

(Edit to add: When I called about it, I had the impression that the technical problems, though, might be part of a wider issue. I don't believe this credit union runs their own networks, but I could be wrong.)
 

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