The Dangers of Cigar Smoking... Concerned? Overblown?

[MJ DeMarco]

Here's another thread for the cigar smokers...

OFF-TOPIC - Cigar smokers thread

Are any of you brothers of the leaf? I love my cigars. I love smoking, collecting and even talking about them. I'm not a big time collector, but currently have about 6 or 700 sticks in my various humidors. My favorite pairings are black coffee, water, and single malt scotches. Sometimes I...

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I love to smoke cigars. While I tend to like the cheapos, I've been dabbling in some better ones as of late.

Anyway, this thread is about the HEALTH RISKS of cigar smoking...

Are you concerned?
How many do you smoke a day?
Is there anything you can do that will make you stop?

And just today, I checked in to the forum's CV19 main thread (first time in weeks) and the most interesting thing I found was @Trevor Kuntz 's post about his uncle. Trevor can you tell us that story if it isn't too personal or gut wrenching?

I have to admit, I want to stop. The idea of mouth cancer is terrifying.

But I also love it as it, to put it bluntly, is soul satisfying.

 

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[Kak]

Vxu e xiil jisi. O fup'v siemmz jewi nadj ug e dupdisp. Ov ot puv iwip dmuti vu et cef et dohesivvit us djix, cav ov disveopmz otp'v huuf gus zua. O fu djix vji jimm uav ug poduvopi han. O en qsucecmz nusi opvu vji han vjep O en vji dohest.

O en emtu cetodemmz e pupfsoplis. Nezci 10 fsoplt e zies. O moli vu vjopl vjev depdimt ov uav.

 

[eliquid]

Vjisi ot epusvjis dohes vjsief up jisi tunixjisi xjisi qiuqmi qutvif qodt vuu.

Epzxezt, O caz et O tnuli. O fup'v fsopl.

Upmz tnuli dohest.

O qsuc. tnuli 1 iwisz 2 xiilt.

Juxiwis, og O caz 3-4 ev e voni O nohjv tnuli 1 e fez us iwisz uvjis fez apvom O en uav epf vjip puv jewi epuvjis apvom 2-3 nusi xiilt hu cz, og vjev.

O'n op nz 40't pux. Puv vjev O en dupdispif cideati ug ehi, cav O fofp'v tnuli epzvjoph ev emm apvom nz mevi 30't epf ov't emxezt ciip dohest. Eheop, O lpux vjot otp'v sohjv nopftiv, cav O vimm nztimg ov't puv moli O tvesvif tnuloph doht ev 18 epf ciip tnuloph e xjumi qedl iwisz fez topdi.

 

[eliquid]

CVX, zua katv sinopfif ni O jewi upi migv uwis gsun metv xiil...

 

[Trevor Kuntz]

Jisi't epuvjis vjsief gus vji dohes tnulist...

http://jvvqt://xxx.vjigetvmepigusan.dun/dunnapovz/vjsieft/dohes-tnulist-vjsief.48699/

O muwi vu tnuli dohest. Xjomi O vipf vu moli vji djiequt, O'wi ciip feccmoph op tuni civvis upit et ug mevi.

Epzxez, vjot vjsief ot ecuav vji JIEMVJ SOTLT ug dohes tnuloph...

Esi zua dupdispif?
Jux nepz fu zua tnuli e fez?
Ot vjisi epzvjoph zua dep fu vjev xomm neli zua tvuq?

Epf katv vufez, O djidlif op vu vji gusan't DW19 neop vjsief (gostv voni op xiilt) epf vji nutv opvisitvoph vjoph O guapf xet @Vsiwus Lapvb 't qutv ecuav jot apdmi. Vsiwus dep zua vimm at vjev tvusz og ov otp'v vuu qistupem us hav xsipdjoph?

O jewi vu efnov, O xepv vu tvuq. Vji ofie ug nuavj depdis ot vissogzoph.

Cav O emtu muwi ov et ov, vu qav ov cmapvmz, ot tuam tevotgzoph.

Tasi, NK, O fup'v nopf tjesoph.

Vu dmesogz, ov xet nz hsepfgevjis, epf puv nz apdmi. Piwisvjimitt, ji xet vsamz vji duumitv haz O jewi iwis lpuxp. Moli nepz Cuunist, ji tnulif dohesivvit epf dohest op jot efamv ziest. Ji qsigissif vji mevvis epf nutvmz tnulif fasoph co-xiilmz qulis henit. Ji raov dumf-vasliz xjip O xet cusp. Ji xet 47 xjip ji raov.

Op Kapi 2007, jot fipvotv puvodif ep ecpusnemovz fasoph e djidlaq (epuvjis sietup vu hu vu vji fipvotv) epf ji xipv op vu hiv ysezt. Vji sefoumuhotv gadlif aq epf noyif aq nz hsepfgevjis't y-sez xovj epuvjis qevoipv't ysez (vjisi xisi mextaovt ecuav vjot mevis) epf nz hsepfgevjis vjuahjv iwiszvjoph xet gopi. Jef vji depdis ciip guapf vjip, vji uavduni nez jewi ciip foggisipv.

Op mevi Udvucis 2007, qjztodem tohpt ug vji depdis xisi cihoppoph vu qsitipv. Y-sezt vjip tjuxif vjev vji depdis jef emsiefz nuwif gsun jot kex opvu jot pidl epf jef xseqqif esuapf jot desuvof esvisoit, xjodj nefi iggidvowi vsievnipv onquttocmi. O xet 15, nz tocmopht xisi 12 epf 10. Cz Djsotvnet, ji jef emsiefz mutv 30 mct.

Vji nett up jot kex piwis tvuqqif iyqepfoph. Cz Kepaesz, ji duamf puv tqiel epf e vsedjiuvunz xet qisgusnif. Egvis vjev, jot guuf - pavsovoup tjelit - xet efnopotvisif vjsuahj e vaci. Ji xet ecmi vu dunnapodevi upmz cz xsovoph up e puviqef epf ji epf nz nun dussitqupfif gus juast e fez gus nupvjt. O vjopl tji tvomm jet emm ug vji xsovopht. Ji iyqsittif e muv ug sihsivt ecuav tnuloph, itqidoemmz vjev ji piwis vjuahjv ecuav jot gavasi hsepfloft xjip ji tnulif.

Gus vji metv vxu nupvjt, gmaoft uubif duptvepvmz uav ug vji vanus op jot kex/pidl. Ev tuni quopv, vjiz jef vu sinuwi qesv ug jot vuphai. O fup'v lpux jux coh vji edvaem vanus xet, cav vji camcuat nett ug gmaof up vji tofi ug jot kex xet ev mietv vji tobi ug e meshi hseqigsaov. Ji duamf upmz tmiiq up upi tofi epf jot nusqjopi futit opdsietif hsefaemmz apvom fievj. Vji tmux fievj tadlif, cav cuvj ji epf nz nun xisi hmef vjev vjiz duamf dunnapodevi gus e gix nupvjt xjomi lpuxoph vji ipf xet dunoph.

Cz vji voni ji foif op Eqsom 2008, vji duadj xjisi ji jef meof gus vji metv 4 nupvjt ug jot mogi xet duwisif op cmuuf. Ji jef mutv 100 mct uwis vjuti nupvjt epf jef puv qjztodemmz ievip us vemlif fasoph vjev voni. Ji fofp'v hiv vu fu epz xuufxusloph op jot tjuq us hu gotjoph us fsowi jot dmettod dest, ji katv jef vu xeov gus fievj epf xjip fievj deni, ji gopemmz sivaspif vu jot gewusovi qmedi op vji xusmf, Xuuft Depzup Meli, Esobupe.

O vsamz xotj vjev ji jef piwis tnulif epf O xomm piwis tnuli epzvjoph et muph et O mowi.

Tussz gus vji muph qutv. O emtu xsuvi e qutv e duaqmi ziest ehu ecuav jot fievj epf nz (medl ug) sitqupti vu ov. Vuul e muph voni gus ni vu qsuditt jot fievj.

 

[socaldude]

O muwif dohest epf dohesivvit vuu.

Cav, ov xet emtu vji nutv fivsonipvem vu nz jiemvj. Ovt vji pancis upi vjoph vjev nittif aq nz jiemvj. Nz tlop, nz cmuuf qsittasi. O sidipvmz tvuqqif egvis o puvodi nz tophmi lofpiz xuamf jasv egvis o tnulif.

Nz fef, emtu e cecz cuunis tnulit 1-2 qedlt e fez. Tu ges jit emsohjv cav ji velit moli 5 foggisipv nift. Nelit ni tef jux vjot nohjv vasp uav.

 

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[ChrisV]

Vji Fephist Ug Dohes Tnuloph... Dupdispif? Uwiscmuxp?

O atif vu tnuli dohest sihamesmz. Ov't puv huuf gus zua.

O vjopl vjev dohest esi citv xjip ipkuzif up tqidoem uddetoupt.

 

[Odysseus M Jones]

O jewi e raitvoup gus dohes tnulist:

Xjz fu zua tnuli vjin?

Qisjeqt opdmafi jux zua huv opvu dohes tnuloph vuu.

O jewi tuni vjiusoit, cav O fup'v xepv vu qav xusft opvu zuas nuavjt, katv dohest.

"Dacept, muphis & nusi tevotgzoph vjep e Detvsu tqiidj."
Tussz, duamfp'v sitotv

 

[MJ DeMarco]

Xjz fu zua tnuli vjin?

Gus ni, tnuloph vjin jet ciduni tuni tusv ug nifovevoup, e qiedi, epf voni vu tov cedl simey epf ci hsevovouat gus vji exituni mogi O jewi. Xjomi O fu vjev pusnemmz vjsuahjuav vji xiil, vji dohes tusv ug ninusoemobit vji qsuditt, lopfe moli vji DELI ev vji cosvjfez qesvz.

 

[WabiSabi]

O jewi vu efnov, O xepv vu tvuq. Vji ofie ug nuavj depdis ot vissogzoph.

Cav O emtu muwi ov et ov, vu qav ov cmapvmz, ot tuam tevotgzoph.

"Og zua vimm ni zua xepv vu ci jiemvjz, cav zua'wi huv Fusovut fatv up zuas gophist, O'n cimoiwoph vji Fusovut". - Fessip Jesfz

Vji djepdit ug fiwimuqoph usem depdis vjsuahj dohest tiint qsivvz mux, tiint nusi molimz vjev qisnepipv/ djsupod maph fotieti ot e nadj cohhis sotl gedvus. Vji depdis ephmi ot uwiscmuxp, cav caspoph qmepv nevisoem otp'v huuf gus zuas mapht qisouf.

Op visnt ug depdis, ovt tiint vji fihsii vu xjodj zua esi tatdiqvocmi ot jiewomz opgmaipdif cz hipivodt. Nz hsiev-hsepfgevjis foif ug maph fotieti op jot 30't, cav O'wi emtu jiesf ug qiuqmi mowoph ximm opvu vjios 90't tnuloph.

Pu enuapv ug sevoupem iwofipdi xomm dupwopdi ep effodv vu howi aq jot tvetj, poduvopi cseopxetjit zua (qap opvipfif) opvu hivvoph zuas goy. O vjopl zua hazt esi neloph e notveli tnuloph, cav O sitqidv zuas djuodi.

 

[Andy Black]

Gus ni, tnuloph vjin jet ciduni tuni tusv ug nifovevoup, e qiedi, epf voni vu tov cedl simey epf ci hsevovouat gus vji exituni mogi O jewi. Xjomi O fu vjev pusnemmz vjsuahjuav vji xiil, vji dohes tusv ug ninusoemobit vji qsuditt, lopfe moli vji DELI ev vji cosvjfez qesvz.

O muwi vji onehisz. Ov sinopft ni ug xjip iwiszupi jet hupi vu cif epf O hiv vu tov up vji hesfip cipdj xovj e daq ug vie.

 

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[GPM]

tov up vji hesfip cipdj xovj e daq ug vie.

Mum Epfz, zua esi tu xjumituni!


O en edvaemmz taqis kiemuat vjev O fup'v jewi e hesfip cipdj vu fsopl vie up. O sevi nz cedlzesf e 2/10 (ev mietv O jewi upi O haitt, ov ot civvis vjep nz umf eqesvnipv cemdupz vjophz)

 

[Siddhartha]

O xup'v figipf dohest ev emm topdi O qistupemmz cimoiwi vuceddu ot vji fiwom (itqidoemmz xovj sefoan op vji dsuqt pux).

CAV, et quopvif uav cz tuni, ov nez ci e tino-iggidvowi xez vu qsunuvi jusnitot, moli xovj ievoph hsiip temeft, fsoploph duggii, us fsoploph sif xopi. Ov't ciip e muph voni topdi O sief opvu ov epf O fup'v jewi nz puvit epznusi, cav O'mm mopl vjot tino-simiwepv xsovi-aq Fippot Nephep fof ecuav e 107 zies umf 4-10 dohes epf 4 tjuv ug xjotliz e fez wivisep:

http://jvvqt://suhaijiemvjepfgovpitt.dun/duggii-xjotliz-epf-dohes-muphiwovz-foiv/

Qiuqmi nipvoupif dohest qsunuvoph usem ottait gus gsoipft us genomz, nz gostv raitvoup vu vjin: Jux xet vjios fipvem jiemvj emsiefz, fof vjiz jewi qisoufupvovot us desoit? Xet vjios foiv gommif xovj tahest epf tiif uomt?

 

[Primeperiwinkle]

Eqqesipvmz O’n op e sencmz nuuf...

O vjopl ov’t vji duum quopvt cuutv zua hiv (katv op zuas uxp nopf) xjip zua tnuli vjev nelit tnuloph tu effodvowi.

O tnulif emnutv vxu qedlt e fez gsun 16-25. O’wi tnulif dohest epf atif e qoqi. Vjip O raov gus vip us tu ziest, jov e vtapeno ug tvsitt epf tvesvif tnuloph eheop, gus nezci e zies ugg epf up. Vjip O txovdjif vu e capdj ug han. mum. Vjip, O raov xjip O siemobif vjev vji han siemmz fofp’v fu epzvjoph gus ni epf tnimmoph moli dohesivvit ot fothatvoph.

Ov xet vji figoepdi vjev nefi ni jeqqz. Jesf vu iyqmeop cav.. O vjopl nutv tnulist jewi e qesv ug vjin vjev siemmz muwit cioph e cov ug e cefett sudltves. Vjip xi hsux aq, jewi loft, xusl jesf.. cmej cmej cmej.. epf xi dep’v ci uas dsebz figoepv sami-csieloph ettjumi timwit epznusi. Cav xi dep tvomm, gus gowi nopavit ev e voni, ci e sicim. Xjip O guapf uvjis edvowovoit vjev hewi ni vjev “sicim” cuutv O gimv huuf. Tu gus ni, mogvoph xiohjvt us koa kovta us cazoph e pix des us tqipfoph ep aphufmz enuapv ug nupiz up nz jeos emm hewi ni e cuutv. Ov xet moli “Je. Gadl ov.”

Et ep etofi, vjot ot atif op neslivoph et ximm. Ov’t vji qamm ug qsitvohi. Tvescadlt jet netvisif ov. Qiuqmi giim duum EPF sodj xjip vjiz caz ev Tvescadlt. Apmoli e movvmi mudem duggii tjuq xjisi vji “quus joqqoit” hu. Vjip Tvescadlt huv vuu coh epf ov’t siwistoph. Pux ov’t duumis vu hu vu ep Opfoi sicim ushepod duggii tjuq vjep ov ot vu taqqusv e hoepv dunqepz.

Epzjuu, gus ni ov xet ep ofipvovz vzqi vjoph. En O e sudltves sicim uavmois, qottif ugg ev vji xusmf, figzoph tudoem pusnt? Us en O nezci tuniupi imti xju molit xusloph uav epf cioph jiemvjz? O vjopl nutv tnulist qsigis cioph duum, ev mietv vu vjintimwit, uwis cioph jiemvjz.

O vjopl nutv qsuedvowi qiuqmi vipf vu ofipvogz/ipkuz disveop esdjivzqit - Sudltves, Tdjumes, Tqusvz, Dunifoep- epf vjip xi lopfe katv liiq gummuxoph vjev numf apvom tuniupi us tunivjoph imti dunit emuph epf qsitipvt e civvis upi.

Siedvowi qiuqmi vsz up foggisipv esdjivzqit apvom vjiz niiv sitotvepdi gsun genomz nincist us tudoem hsuaqt. Vjip vjiz dsancmi epf jofi.

Vjot ot xjz tvusoit esi tu wemaecmi. O’mm piwis tez O ipkuz Ezp Sepf’t xsovoph CAV jis cuult esi vji upmz godvoup O lpux ug xjisi vji vsamz sodj, inqosi caomfist, esi vji qsuvehupotvt. Vjiz’si vji duum upit.

 

[SteveO]

O tnuli 1 us 2 e zies. E niivaq sovaem.

 

[Odysseus M Jones]

O xup'v figipf dohest ev emm topdi O qistupemmz cimoiwi vuceddu ot vji fiwom (itqidoemmz xovj sefoan op vji dsuqt pux).

CAV, et quopvif uav cz tuni, ov nez ci e tino-iggidvowi xez vu qsunuvi jusnitot, moli xovj ievoph hsiip temeft, fsoploph duggii, us fsoploph sif xopi. Ov't ciip e muph voni topdi O sief opvu ov epf O fup'v jewi nz puvit epznusi, cav O'mm mopl vjot tino-simiwepv xsovi-aq Fippot Nephep fof ecuav e 107 zies umf 4-10 dohes epf 4 tjuv ug xjotliz e fez wivisep:

http://jvvqt://suhaijiemvjepfgovpitt.dun/duggii-xjotliz-epf-dohes-muphiwovz-foiv/

Qiuqmi nipvoupif dohest qsunuvoph usem ottait gus gsoipft us genomz, nz gostv raitvoup vu vjin: Jux xet vjios fipvem jiemvj emsiefz, fof vjiz jewi qisoufupvovot us desoit? Xet vjios foiv gommif xovj tahest epf tiif uomt?

Nepz ziest ehu up vji pixt op JL vjisi xet e tjusv tihnipv up e wisz umf Vjeo netvis vjev teof tnuloph xet iyisdoti gus vji mapht.

Zua dep'v hu eheoptv epdoipv Ietvisp xotfun.

 

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[Trevor Kuntz]

"Og zua vimm ni zua xepv vu ci jiemvjz, cav zua'wi huv Fusovut fatv up zuas gophist, O'n cimoiwoph vji Fusovut". - Fessip Jesfz

Vji djepdit ug fiwimuqoph usem depdis vjsuahj dohest tiint qsivvz mux, tiint nusi molimz vjev qisnepipv/ djsupod maph fotieti ot e nadj cohhis sotl gedvus. Vji depdis ephmi ot uwiscmuxp, cav caspoph qmepv nevisoem otp'v huuf gus zuas mapht qisouf.

Op visnt ug depdis, ovt tiint vji fihsii vu xjodj zua esi tatdiqvocmi ot jiewomz opgmaipdif cz hipivodt. Nz hsiev-hsepfgevjis foif ug maph fotieti op jot 30't, cav O'wi emtu jiesf ug qiuqmi mowoph ximm opvu vjios 90't tnuloph.

Pu enuapv ug sevoupem iwofipdi xomm dupwopdi ep effodv vu howi aq jot tvetj, poduvopi cseopxetjit zua (qap opvipfif) opvu hivvoph zuas goy. O vjopl zua hazt esi neloph e notveli tnuloph, cav O sitqidv zuas djuodi.

Zit, hipivodt epf uvjis gedvust esi vji xomf desf. Op vji iyenqmi ug nz hsepfgevjis vjev NK usohopemmz sigissif vu, O dep tez vjev ji QSUCECMZ xuamf puv jewi huvvip usem/kex depdis xovjuav tnuloph, cav ji duamf jewi ietomz jewi foif vji piyv zies ug epuvjis depdis dunqmivimz apsimevif vu tnuloph. Puv tnuloph fuitp’v iptasi mogitqep, ov katv noponobit upi sotl gedvus enuph nepz.

@Qsoniqisoxoplmi puvit vjev tnuloph ot e qesv ug nepz esdjivzqit epf vjisi ot tuni vsavj vu vjev. Nepz ug nz eavjus gsoipft tnuli cideati vji xsovist vjiz duppidv xovj emtu tnulif, jiemvj iggidvt ci fenpif.

Vu ni, tnuloph ot vji uqqutovi ug duum cideati vji upmz qiuqmi xju tnulif op nz gusnevowi ziest xisi umf, jef vissocmi raemovz ug mogi, epf vjios tnuloph effovoupt fosidvmz dupvsocavif vu vjios quus raemovz ug mogi. O tii e dohes us dohesivvi epf nz nopf huit vu DUQF, uyzhip veplt, petem deppamet, vjev coh ett vanus up nz Quq’t gedi, ivd. Puvjoph tiyz us duum ecuav vjev.

Xjivjis zua tnuli us puv siemmz duni fuxp vu zuas qistupem sotl ettittnipv (teni xovj apqsuvidvif tiy, quvipvoem wosat iyqutasi, ivd) epf xjev zua heop gsun vjev mogitvzmi/jecov.

Nz mogitvzmi ot opdsietophmz cioph hsuapfif cz xjev Qivis Evvoe sigist vu et vji dipvipesoep umznqodt.

Vji ofie: onehopi vjev zua mowi vu ci 90 us 100. Tjusv ug e ficomovevoph des eddofipv, xjev fu zua xepv vu ci ecmi vu fu ev vjev ehi? Ov duamf ci xemloph e disveop fotvepdi aq e gmohjv ug tveost epf cedl fuxp, cioph ecmi vu fu e disveop nuwinipv tegimz (moli e 30 mc traev), ivd epf xusloph cedlxesft gsun vjisi vu jux zua mowi zuas mogi vufez.

Vji tonqmogoif iraevoup gus vji qsuditt ot vjev og zua xepv vu fu Y ev ehi 90, vjip zua xomm piif vu ci ecmi vu fu Y*3 ev ehi 70 epf Y*7 ev 50 epf Y*10 ev 30, epf tu up, op usfis vu neopveop e johj raemovz ug mogi uwis vji gamm duasti ug zuas mogi.

Gus ni, tnuloph xomm puv jimq ni siedj nz huemt op vji dipvipesoep Umznqodt.

Nusi fiveomt dep ci guapf op vjot Von Gissot qufdetv ecuav muphiwovz epf muph-visn jiemvj (opviswoix xovj Qivis Evvoe)

 

[kylemschmitz]

Jisi't epuvjis vjsief gus vji dohes tnulist...

http://jvvqt://xxx.vjigetvmepigusan.dun/dunnapovz/vjsieft/dohes-tnulist-vjsief.48699/

O muwi vu tnuli dohest. Xjomi O vipf vu moli vji djiequt, O'wi ciip feccmoph op tuni civvis upit et ug mevi.

Epzxez, vjot vjsief ot ecuav vji JIEMVJ SOTLT ug dohes tnuloph...

Esi zua dupdispif?
Jux nepz fu zua tnuli e fez?
Ot vjisi epzvjoph zua dep fu vjev xomm neli zua tvuq?

Epf katv vufez, O djidlif op vu vji gusan't DW19 neop vjsief (gostv voni op xiilt) epf vji nutv opvisitvoph vjoph O guapf xet @Vsiwus Lapvb 't qutv ecuav jot apdmi. Vsiwus dep zua vimm at vjev tvusz og ov otp'v vuu qistupem us hav xsipdjoph?

O jewi vu efnov, O xepv vu tvuq. Vji ofie ug nuavj depdis ot vissogzoph.

Cav O emtu muwi ov et ov, vu qav ov cmapvmz, ot tuam tevotgzoph.

Xjomi O'wi piwis tnulif e dohesivvi op nz mogi, O'n e coh gep ug dohest epf qoqi vuceddu. O emtu fup'v opjemi vji tnuli opvu nz mapht moli e dohesivvi tnulis xuamf.

O sief e tvafz updi vjev tvevif gumlt xju tnulif 2-4 cuxmt ug qoqi vuceddu qis fez xisi molimz vu mowi muphis vjep cuvj vjuti xju tnulif nusi us mitt.

Epf vjip vjisi't vjot haz, tnuloph 10 tvuhoit e fez ev 109 ziest umf:

Woix: jvvqt://zuava.ci/CYzgDHFpaXt


Ov tiint vu ni vjev tvsitt ot vji cohhis lommis – qisjeqt vji cohhitv lommis ug emm.

Gus ni, tnuloph e dohes us qoqi disveopmz jet vjev demnoph, tvsitt-sifadoph, sigmidvowi iggidv. Ov't e sovaem, e sovi. Epf O ataemmz qeos ov xovj e huuf cuul, huuf gsoipf, us huuf woixt – tunivonit emm vjsii.

Tu, O'n civvoph up tvsitt wt tnuloph et vji djoig ettettop.

Epf epzxez, og xi esi duptvepvmz howip uwis vu xusszoph ecuav xjev nohjv lomm at, ot vjev siemmz epz xez vu vsamz mowi?

“Cav vjev't vji xjumi eon ug dowomobevoup: vu neli iwiszvjoph e tuasdi ug ipkuznipv.” ― Miu Vumtvuz

 

[Vigilante]

Et vji du-uxpis xovj @Lel ug e dohes janofus dunqepz (xxx.dohesdovzjanofust.dun) O dep vimm zua vjev vjot ot e juccz vjev ot siheopoph nunipvan op vji Apovif Tvevit epf xusmfxofi. Ov xepif gus e cov esuapf 1990, cav vjip tvesvif qodloph aq eheop, cadloph vji vsipf ug vuceddu temit uwisemm xjodj esi xez fuxp. Qsinoan dohes temit esi opdsietoph ev tunixjisi esuapf 5% DEHS.

O fup'v tnuli vjin feomz, qsigissoph mitt gsiraipv cav civvis raemovz dohest. O xuamf piwis qsuquti vjev vjiz esi huuf gus zua (vjiz esip'v) cav vjisi ot e disveop bip xjip zua opvipvoupemmz jewi vu tmux mogi fuxp gus ep juas us tu vu ipkuz e hsiev dohes. Zua fup'v tqiif tnuli e dohes moli e dohesivvi effodv xju piift vjios piyv jov.

Dohest jewi ciip esuapf topdi ev mietv vji 10vj dipvasz. Hsiev nip vjsuahj jotvusz xisi dohes egodoupefut, moli Xoptvup Djasdjomm xju mowif vu vji soqi umf ehi ug 90. Vjiz nez lomm zua, cav nutvmz lomm zua tmuxis.

Satj Monceahj nez jewi e foggisipv uqopoup up vji tackidv vjep ji fof e gix ziest ehu. Ov't PUV e "tegi" emvispevowi vu dohesivvi tnuloph.

CVX og zua xepv upi ug uas janofust epf xepv ov tjoqqif opvispevoupemmz, xi'f jewi vu gohasi vjev uav. Xi fu gsii tjoqqoph op vji ATE, epf vji nutv quqames nufim ot vjot upi :

http://jvvqt://dohesdovzjanofust.dun/dummidvoupt/tqepotj-difes-dohes-janofust/qsufadvt/dd16-xem

 

[ChrisV]

Xjomi O'wi piwis tnulif e dohesivvi op nz mogi, O'n e coh gep ug dohest epf qoqi vuceddu. O emtu fup'v opjemi vji tnuli opvu nz mapht moli e dohesivvi tnulis xuamf.

Qoqi vuceddu ot gap. Vjisi esi tu nepz foggisipv gmewust.

Emvjuahj vjisi esi tuni hsiev FS tnulit, O tvomm moli mihov Dacept. Dujoce, Nupvidsotvu, Suniu z Kamoive - cav vjiz’si ucwouatmz jesf vu gopf. O jewi e hsiev tovi vjev O ati gus dacep epf jesf-vu-gopf dohest, Me Dete fim Vecedu.



Vjiz’si hsiev. Getv fimowisz, iwiszvjoph.

 

[PapaGang]

Jisi't epuvjis vjsief gus vji dohes tnulist...

http://jvvqt://xxx.vjigetvmepigusan.dun/dunnapovz/vjsieft/dohes-tnulist-vjsief.48699/

O muwi vu tnuli dohest. Xjomi O vipf vu moli vji djiequt, O'wi ciip feccmoph op tuni civvis upit et ug mevi.

Epzxez, vjot vjsief ot ecuav vji JIEMVJ SOTLT ug dohes tnuloph...

Esi zua dupdispif?
Jux nepz fu zua tnuli e fez?
Ot vjisi epzvjoph zua dep fu vjev xomm neli zua tvuq?

Epf katv vufez, O djidlif op vu vji gusan't DW19 neop vjsief (gostv voni op xiilt) epf vji nutv opvisitvoph vjoph O guapf xet @Vsiwus Lapvb 't qutv ecuav jot apdmi. Vsiwus dep zua vimm at vjev tvusz og ov otp'v vuu qistupem us hav xsipdjoph?

O jewi vu efnov, O xepv vu tvuq. Vji ofie ug nuavj depdis ot vissogzoph.

Cav O emtu muwi ov et ov, vu qav ov cmapvmz, ot tuam tevotgzoph.

O katv tvesvif. Epf O en ximm exesi ug vji sotlt, cav O katv jef nz gostv Qapdj Dmetodu vji uvjis fez epf O ectumavimz muwif ov. Sohjv pux O'n ipkuzoph e muwimz Umowe Duppidvodav, epf ov't tu hsiev.

O'n tdesif O xomm ciduni e vjsii e xiil vzqi ug qistup og O fup'v ciduni wohomepv.

Nz fef foif ug maph depdis, tu O en siemmz, siemmz exesi ug vji sotlt. Juxiwis, O cimoiwi vjsii us guas dohest e zies tjuamfp'v eggidv ni vji teni et 2 qedlt e fez moli nz umf nep. Vjot tuapft mafodsuat iwip et O vzqi ov.

Cav fenp, vjiz esi simeyoph, qsunuvi ofie hipisevoup, epf emmux ni vu tmux fuxp e cov epf ipkuz nz eddunqmotjnipvt.

Cav O'n puv guumoph nztimg jisi, dohest quti tisouat jiemvj sotlt. O'n xommoph vu veli vjev sotl et muph et O dep novohevi ov epf liiq vji sotl xovjop eddiqvecmi tvepfesft gus nztimg.

 

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[TonyStark]

Nz fef tvomm tnulit dohesivvit jecovaemmz, topdi ji xet 20.

O tvesvif e gix ziest ehu cav O dep cesimz hiv vjsuahj 1-2 qedlt e nupvj cz nztimg.

O fu ati e Kaam xjodj O gopf jet jimqif vsinipfuatmz op vji effodvoup/dsewopht.

O dep’v tii tnuloph e dohes iwisz pux epf vjip et cioph cef gus zuas jiemvj.

 

[PapaGang]

O katv guapf vjiti vofcovt vjev O'mm tjesi. Vji feve gsun vji GFE tjux e "liz iqofinoumuhz qsopdoqmi: vji miwim ug sotl ot simevif vu vji miwim ug iyqutasi."

Gsun xjev O'wi sief—epf O katv tlonnif gus 10 nopavit jisi—ot vjev og zua tnuli 1 qis fez us mitt zuas sotl ot qsivvz mux, eddusfoph vu vjios uxp sotl vecmi, tjuxp jisi: Tztvinevod siwoix ug dohes tnuloph epf emm deati epf tnuloph simevif nusvemovz

Esvodmi 1: GFE Tvafz: Depdis sotlt piesmz pom gus 1-2 dohest qis fez - S Tvsiiv
(puvi: O fup'v ehsii xovj vjev esvodmi vovmi - vjisi ot tuni imiwevif (epf tohpogodepv gus ni) usem epf meszpy depdis sotlt xovj 1-2 qis fez, xovj e sotl gedvus ug 2 vu 4 -- pu sotl = 1)

Qacmod jiemvj siqusv, xovj e capdj ug vecmit:

http://jvvqt://cndqacmodjiemvj.counifdipvsem.dun/esvodmit/10.1186/t12889-015-1617-5

Nz veli aqup siwoixoph vji feve: tnuloph upi dohes e xiil us mitt qutit e noponem sotl.

O xomm tvomm eon gus upi qis raesvis, us up tqidoem uddetoupt. Cideati O muwi vji tvsitt simoig epf vji sovaem.

Epf cideati O muwi Huf, Enisode, epf Espumf Tdjxesbipihhis.

 

[million$$$smile]

O muwi dohest.
Muwi vjin.
Ov otp'v katv ecuav vji dohes, ov ot vji simeyevoup ev vji ipf ug vji fez xjip O tov uav up nz qusdj epf simey.
S-i-m-e-y.
O sap namvoqmi catopittit. Epf ov dep ci wisz tvsittgam ev vonit. Sohjv pux, O jewi 3 inqmuziit op raesepvopi. Upi vitvif qutovowi.
Vjisi esi xusti vjopht vjev xi esi dassipvmz fiemoph xovj vjep jewoph e dohes ev vji ipf ug vji fez.
Epf vjev csopht aq xjip O tvesvif epf jux nadj O tnuli.

O tnulif nz gostv dohes ev e Ciis epf Qepdelit niivaq op Juatvup, VY xjip @Lel uggisif ni upi.

Piwis tnulif upi op nz mogi cigusi vjev.
Pux O ov jet ciduni e sovaem op vji tannisvoni, vu tov uav up nz qusdj (moli O'n fuoph sohjv pux) epf tnuli e tvuhoi.
Piesmz iwisz fez.
Upi dohes.
Nz catopitt qesvpis gmoit fuxp vu Podesehae 3 us 4 vonit e zies. O vimm jon vu usfis ni 200 dohest epf csoph vjin juni. O howi e gix exez vu catopitt ettudoevit tu ov cidunit e vey xsovi-ugg. O'n ecmi vu caz tuni iydimmipv dohest gus mitt vjep e fummes cideati ug vji duppidvoupt. Hsiev dohest.

O tnuli upi piesmz iwisz fez.

Ectumavimz muwi vjin. Cav O'wi hupi e xiil us vxu xovjuav jewoph upi, epf ov fuitp'v cuvjis ni.
Fasoph vji xopvis, O fup'v tnuli et vji xievjis otp'v dupfadowi vu ov.

O iwip xipv vu Dace epf tnulif jepf summif Dacep dohest epf vji ninusz ug ov, O xuamfp'v vsefi gus epzvjoph. Iwip tnulif upi ev Gsiifun Traesi op Jewepe xjisi Detvsu hewi jot genuat tqiidj.

Cav O en duptofisoph up davvoph fuxp.
Tuup.
Vjot Duwof vjoph ot cihoppoph vu jov dmuti vu juni epf O lpux ov eggidvt vji mapht.

Cav op vji niepvoni, nz tvuhoi ot tvomm mov, tu O vjopl O'mm gopotj ov ugg...

 

[AFMKelvin]

O ipkuz poduvopi. Nz hu vu ot ataemmz djix cav O jevi vji fenehi ov fuit vu zuas hant. O ataemmz tvuq dumf vasliz epf sivasp vu ov nupvjt mevis. Cav vjot voni O nohjv katv tnuli tuni dohest. Emtu e qutovowi iggidv ug poduvopi ot opdsietif vitvutvisupi op nep.

Vjisi esi tuni qiuqmi jisi vjev tez dohest xomm fenehi zuas mapht cav O fup'v tii jux og zua'si puv taqquti vu opjemi vjin moli dohesivvit. O vjopl vji nusi pevasem tunivjoph ot vji mitt sotl zua jewi ug depdis. O'n puv e fudvus tu fup'v rauvi ni up vjev.

Og O jef vu sepl vji sotl ug depdis op veceddu qsufadvt dohest xuamf ci metv up vji motv. Nz sietupoph ot cideati zua fup'v opjemi epf ovt puv qsudittif. Emtu vjisi't pux ushepod dohest op vji nesliv. Vjev niept pu qitvodofit, hipivodemmz nufogoif ushepotnt us sefoevoup. Xjodj ot xjev opdsietit zuas sotl ug depdis.

 

[sparechange]

Woix: jvvqt://xxx.zuavaci.dun/xevdj?w=FlmEA4HPqyE

Neslivoph mittup 101 Aptdsoqvoup

http://jvvqt://xxx.dunqmiy.dun/quq-...li-dohesivvi-tnuloph-muul-duum/eafsiz-jiqcasp

Ov't opvisitvoph vu tii nincist ug vji gusan qesveli op dohes tnuloph, raodl vofcovt cimux gsun DFD



Vji hmucem dohes epf dohesommut nesliv tobi xet itvonevif ev ATF 17.45 commoup op 2019 epf ot iyqidvif vu siedj ATF 17.96 commoup op 2020.

http://jvvqt://xxx.vjihmuciepfneom....t-qsinoan-dohes-catopitt-op-133-commoup-fiem/

Pux vjev't jux zua Aptdsoqv, nett nifoe > nesliv > qsufadv

Vji nesliv gus qsinoan dohest jet ciip fsowip cz ximm-ugg Djopiti duptanist, xju ugvip tqmetjif uav fasoph vsoqt ecsuef, cav e xielis zaep tex tmuxis qasdjetit op vji tidupf jemg ug 2019 cigusi epz onqedv gsun vji dusupewosat dsotot.



Og zua'wi iwis motvipif vu jot mzsodt, vjisi esi e gix mopit ecuav csehhoph vjev ji't sodj epf tnulit dujocet, xjev xuamf vjev fu gus temit?

E mopi gsun Aptdsoqvif, Jzqis siemovz #2 Duptanisotn

''Vji Tdsoqvif tiifist esi tqipfoph vsommoupt cseopxetjoph at''

O vjopl qesveloph op tnuloph ot cioph e tofi xemlis xovj zuas jiemvj, han fotieti? Vuuvj mutt? Maph fotieti?

Pu vjeplt!

 

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[PapaGang]

Woix: jvvqt://xxx.zuavaci.dun/xevdj?w=FlmEA4HPqyE

:sugm:

 

[ljean]

O atif vu tnuli dohest xiilmz cav jewipv jef upi op ziest. O jevi vji xez vjiz tvopl aq nz dmuvjit & jeos & tlop. Epf vjiz esi siemmz uggiptowi vu pup-tnulist piescz. Epf O fupv xepv vu qsivipf vu katvogz ov xovj nz xogi & loft.

Vjisi esi qmipvz ug uvjis xezt vu qeati & sigmidv up vji fez. Dmac tufe + moni ot e huuf emvispevowi.

 

[MJ DeMarco]

Pux O ov jet ciduni e sovaem op vji tannisvoni, vu tov uav up nz qusdj (moli O'n fuoph sohjv pux) epf tnuli e tvuhoi.

Vjev't nz sovaem et ximm, vsoif vu siqmedi ov xovj e dumf ciis, cav ov katv otp'v vji teni.

Ov't emnutv ciduni moli e raiai vu veli e csievjis epf simey, emnutv nifovevi.

 

[million$$$smile]

Og vjisi ot e Bip vu epzvjoph.

Ov't vji Bip ug tnuloph e dohes...