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“Antiwork” sounds a lot more provocative and implies choosing a side/team. “My job and employer sucks” sounds like a whiney thing that might struggle to get much interest whilst people share shit experiences.

The caveat is that anti-work then has a muddle up of people complaining about shit working conditions and treatment, with generally lazy people blaming everything but themselves for all the problems in the world.

As someone who loves the grind, it can still get too much..

And the reality is we live in a world where Costco and Amazon simultaneously exist and are both profitable.

Costco = very good experience for employees (low turnover)

Amazon = very mixed experiences for employees (high turnover)

A company will do well if it provides massive value.

However it can choose to be like Costco , and leave a good taste in peoples mouths, especially the employees.

Or it can be controversial like Amazon, Walmart, etc.

People just need to understand each other and not necessarily take an absolute side on literally every issue..

Unfortunately most business people will just dismiss the whole discussion, blaming people as lazy and entitled. The reality is there would be less people energised to argue for anti-work if we had more Costco’s and less Walmart’s
Most business would like to pay their employee more if they could afford to.

The problem is the industry or business model. If it is low margin to begin with, it is impossible to be generous on per unit basis.

Amazon model is to scale and grow through low cost experience for customer. It is predestined to be that way if you happen to be an employee. Any Amazon’s competitor has to play that way or to be killed.

On the other hand you see Apple offers much more generous package to a customer service staff than a customer service staff working at a physical retail mall selling clothes.
 
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@Kak can you elaborate how you see the currency world working then?

If you say FED caused the Roaring 20s, which led to excessive credit spending, which then led to 30s Depression, which later led to abolishment of Gold Standard and the upward cycle for the next ... well, until now I guess.

Thought experiment. Walk me through it. No FED. What does that world look like?

Edit: spelling

It’s hard to say that the fed causes outcomes as things aren’t always a 1:1 relationship. However it definitely contributes towards outcomes.

And it’s using one of the few tools they have available to them: the availability of money.

Unfortunately throwing access to capital doesn’t necessarily solve any problems, however it definitely helps the “mood” of the market as a whole. And keeps people willing to use their capital.



Regards to socialism

The reality is that capital being invested into improving things for people at all levels of society, including those that don’t want to “lift themselves up by the bootstraps”, ends up benefiting everyone.

This is mostly because a $ given to someone living paycheck to paycheck actually gets used back into the economy, lining the pockets of the people who own the businesses these $$ get spent at.

A $ invested in someone having access to good education, healthcare, etc, who otherwise wouldn’t be able to afford it , improves their ability to work, improves the likelihood of them adding value back to the economy through innovation, etc.

Meanwhile a $ being invested in someone who doesn’t need it, doesn’t get cycled back in the economy. A rich man who gets extra $$ just invests it in something, this cycles less than someone who buys goods or services with a higher proportion of their income.



Ideally to grow an economy and improve the livelihoods of people there would need to be very strong investments in innovation and productivity.

Productivity improvements have recently started to improve the pockets of the capital users (the people investing $$$ in business) more than the labour providers (the people getting $$$ for working in a business).

very simply it’s because:

• technology makes it possible to do things faster and easier

• therefore people save time doing tasks

• therefore people get given more tasks

• this means that more value can be extracted per employee. To the capital users benefit (the person carrying the risk of the capital invested)

• this means that the really really talented employees in jobs which require specialisation, training, etc, are finding it easier than ever to get the 150k p.a. or higher jobs. Look at what’s happening in tech! Meanwhile the employees doing simple, repeatable, easily trained for work, are just not being able to capture the same proportional pay - relative to inflation - that previous generations had.



For innovation on the other hand… usually the best way to improve innovation is to give as many people as possible access to the best possible learning and opportunities.

This is basic math: If you have 10 people interested in a cure for cancer, verse 1000 people interested in a cure for cancer. It’s much more likely you’ll actually get the cure with 1000 people trying/contributing to the cause.

Look at how fast things happened as a response to covid!

Imagine if people acted this fast on other major life threatening things..

The reality is that unfortunately a lot of people are more interested in how they’re going to be able to make enough $$$ to put food on the table and consume the latest iPhone 13 when they already have an iPhone 11 !

If people didn’t have to stress as much about major life costs like healthcare, they would be much less likely to bring down the average of the whole societal unit.




Hope you guys enjoyed this somewhat hot take,

My thoughts are often a little difficult to correctly express in written form. Let me know if anything above made sense
 
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It’s longer and tremendously more violent. 08 was just a taste. We are in an epic dead cat bounce.
I agree. But 08 didn't last long enough to do a real deep correction -- or bottom out the current cycle. I've been worrying about this cycle for a long time.

This is what I said earlier...

This looks like it might be a self-corrected problem -- also known as a depression -- a very deep recession that lasts a LONG time -- and will hurt like hell. I'm worried that we're close, or at the end, of another credit cycle -- similar to the 1929 crash. Most people only know about business cycles -- not the longer credit cycles. I'm looking at the staggering national debt, the massive student loans, the bloated secondary mortgage market, the bond market for all those commercial/industrial RE debt, the fact that over 95% of cars are financed, credit card/consumer debt... and, so sob, I rest my case. This is all beyond crazy to me!
 

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A $ invested in someone having access to good education, healthcare, etc, who otherwise wouldn’t be able to afford it , improves their ability to work, improves the likelihood of them adding value back to the economy through innovation, etc.

Meanwhile a $ being invested in someone who doesn’t need it, doesn’t get cycled back in the economy. A rich man who gets extra $$ just invests it in something, this cycles less than someone who buys goods or services with a higher proportion of their income.
Investment implies a share of ownership, in this case the increased ownership of a person by a socialist state. It also implies an expected future benefit / profit of some kind.

It's hard to compare 'investments' (wealth distribution) on soft assets (people), to actual investments in hard assets.

Why would an investment into 'something' (a hard asset) automatically produce a worse outcome than the investment into 'someone'?

If a state can use centralized decision-making to 'invest' into the education, health care etc. of its poor, and benefit greatly-- why would this form of investment be better than the 'rich' using his/her own judgment to make a similar investment in, for example, an employee's education?

State 'investment' into education or health care is not only less effective than if done through private enterprise, but also monopolizes these sectors, thus preventing private initiatives. The lack of private initiatives, especially in a socialist state, then hides the waste contained in the public sector.

Consider that the 'state' is merely a collection of individials, who after collecting taxes, are interchangable with the 'rich' citizens. There is a major difference: The taxed populace created the value. Both seek stability-- One group for the purpose of power through prosperity, the other for the continuation of power through control.

Control vs. Prosperity entails the ownership of Soft vs. Hard assets, respectively. We can either own things, or we can own people. Both rights of ownership cannot exists simultaneously. However, with the power of solipsism, it is possible to reconcile the two.

Every 'someone' simply becomes 'something'. Soft assets can now be compared to hard assets. Socialism may commence!

In conclusion: The claim that one can apply flawed measures such as 'availability of money' or 'velocity of money' is tragic. This is mainly a justification for control, and the visible failure-- an admittance to the impossibility of the task. Economic reality cannot be contained in a specified number of variables. The economy is a sum of countless people's individual actions and minds. These people are not in need of forceful education and healthcare, but guess who are?
 
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What all of you seem to understate is how broken the current financial system is, and how it is at the root of much of the growing phenomenom of people desincentivized to work.

Why work when inflation is 14%? Brrrrrrr another trillion package on the way
Why work when you can only barely make ends meet?
Why work when you are just a cog in the system?
Why work when there is no future?

Capitalism is the most effective system for incentivizing wealth creation, but fiat money undermines it and corrupts it to its core.

What we are seeing here is the results of 50 years of unbacked money, to be printed at will.

And the most sad thing about this all is that capitalism gets the blame for government greed (brrrr), and people are championing for socialism/communism (MORE GOVERNMENT) as a result.

People are becoming more and more anti-work, because they are not being compensated anymore (stolen by inflation), treated like dogshit, while at the same time working their asses off.

Don't believe me? Check for yourself:

 

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It’s not a problem that retarded teenagers don’t want to work and expect things to be free. That’s always been a thing.

It’s a problem that our society is enabling it.

Antiwork should mean “anti-eating” and “homeless”

That’s the beautiful thing about the free market. Lazy people can think and wish and argue all they want but when it comes time to survive, they have to actually work and provide something.

But, universal basic income is coming, and over 50% of people will be sitting in a cheap apartment, smoking weed, eating their ‘beyond’ meat made with bugs and watching VR porn while a shrinking number of people are adding anything to the GDP and getting taxed out of their asses.

The only way out is to build something great and isolate yourself and your family from the degeneracy that’s creeping its way up.
 

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Reading some and experiencing this in my retail shops i could add some of my remarks on this

...I own couple shops in the food industry
-Tight but right management
- Paid well over the wage (Id like more but taxes in France are out of this world for a simple wage hike),
- 5 days work week (normally in this industry 6/7), dont work in the morning and work only 5/6 hours in the afternoon.
- Spotify to get the best mood possible with the customers etc etc many pros as ive read a lot about bringing the best working experience for employees which normally benefits for long term.

-They get discount for various brands that we're affiliated with and....they still dont wanna work anymore and most often quit in 3/6 months and will be allowed to get Governemental Aids for 6/8/12 months depending on how much they worked at my shops and will continue to do nothing for months and accept being poor.

I literally was getting 50/60 CV's a month before Covid and all a sudden 5/10 CV's a month if anything, Rated N1 in my city, business is booming but employees is being the pain.
Despite having the best rating as working experience from people who worked for us, nothing.

There's a massive exodus that can only be stopped if we reduce all these massive hands outs to people leaving their job and kicking some a$$ into reminding them that only efforts & hard work will pay the bills. Not lazyness.

I can't even imagine the damages if something like Universal Basic Income get installed by Governements.
 
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It’s not a problem that retarded teenagers don’t want to work and expect things to be free. That’s always been a thing.

It’s a problem that our society is enabling it.

Antiwork should mean “anti-eating” and “homeless”

That’s the beautiful thing about the free market. Lazy people can think and wish and argue all they want but when it comes time to survive, they have to actually work and provide something.

But, universal basic income is coming, and over 50% of people will be sitting in a cheap apartment, smoking weed, eating their ‘beyond’ meat made with bugs and watching VR porn while a shrinking number of people are adding anything to the GDP and getting taxed out of their asses.

The only way out is to build something great and isolate yourself and your family from the degeneracy that’s creeping its way up.

I don’t believe the assumption that those people are lazy. Minimum wage jobs ive had were hardest jobs in terms of exhaustion.

Work when taxed 100% is slavery. No one would work in that case.
Work when taxed 80% is still extremely disincentivizing.

Work at 50% tax and 14% inflation (and rising). How does that sound?

I would be ‘lazy’ too if I am expected to work for basically nothing in return. This phenomenon would not happen if we had sound money and low taxes.
 

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I don’t believe the assumption that those people are lazy. Minimum wage jobs ive had were hardest jobs in terms of exhaustion.

Work when taxed 100% is slavery. No one would work in that case.
Work when taxed 80% is still extremely disincentivizing.

Work at 50% tax and 14% inflation (and rising). How does that sound?

I would be ‘lazy’ too if I am expected to work for basically nothing in return. This phenomenon would not happen if we had sound money and low taxes.
Inflation should not scare us business owners.

If I wake up and dollars are now worth only 50% of what they were yesterday, we double our prices and wages. If customers do not stay with us that is a different story. Inflation would worry me if I had 10 million sitting in the bank as cash.

The only thing keeping most of these people at work is that they NEED to work in order to eat. You give the lower class an allowance and they'll just make weed shops rich and live in their subsidized affordable housing and have plenty of time to attend their protests in Seattle. The "people will have money to focus on their true passions now" lie is a giant joke. It would be about as effective as giving guns to prison inmates "so that with their power, they could learn to peacefully interact with the guards as equals instead of being scared". Lol no, they're going to buy weed.

These people do not get taxed at 50% lol. I do.

Yes, working no-skill jobs are awful. But, I didn't join an anti-work movement. I joined a "work twice as hard and start a business while working full time" movement and with NO help, NO loans, NO connections, built up something very nice and now life is very very good.
 

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Inflation should not scare us business owners.

If I wake up and dollars are now worth only 50% of what they were yesterday, we double our prices and wages. If customers do not stay with us that is a different story. Inflation would worry me if I had 10 million sitting in the bank as cash.

The only thing keeping most of these people at work is that they NEED to work in order to eat. You give the lower class an allowance and they'll just make weed shops rich and live in their subsidized affordable housing and have plenty of time to attend their protests in Seattle. The "people will have money to focus on their true passions now" lie is a giant joke. It would be about as effective as giving guns to prison inmates "so that with their power, they could learn to peacefully interact with the guards as equals instead of being scared". Lol no, they're going to buy weed.

These people do not get taxed at 50% lol. I do.

Yes, working no-skill jobs are awful. But, I didn't join an anti-work movement. I joined a "work twice as hard and start a business while working full time" movement and with NO help, NO loans, NO connections, built up something very nice and now life is very very good.
Inflation is also bad for business owners. Good luck keeping products in stock. Good luck bookkeeping when prices hike 50% in a year. Good luck keeping employees. Good luck avoiding price controls.

Yes, these people are kept in wageslavery. They work to barely survive and are seeing cantillionaires (look that definition up) everywhere. You don't think they will revolt at some point? They are already chanting 'eat the rich'.

Your argument that lower class shouldn't get an 'allowance' because they will waste it is ridiculous as well. Who cares that they buy weed, that just gives entrepreneurs more opportunity. Right now it all goes to goverment.

Just because you and I made it out doesn't negate the fact that the system is completely broken. I don't want to drive my car along homeless camps. I don't want to get robbed after having dinner at a restaurant.
 
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Has anyone else here come into contact with the Antiwork movement?
It's something I came across recently while watching this video:

Antiwork is one of Reddit's fastest-growing communities.
Part of me was actually expecting to see people that were taking control of their finances and starting businesses etc, but as far as I can tell it's mainly people boycotting the idea of work completely and largely the entire capitalist system, crying for the establishment of a socialist state.

Maybe my assessment is misinformed, but what's your opinion on it? It's clearly a manifestation of much of the same frustration I think a lot of people here have felt, it just seems they have responded to that differently.
My perception is similar. As with most online commentaries, it strikes me as a mixed bag. There are some people in there who understand the fact that a regular job 90% of the time will never make you wealthy. There are also legitimate commentaries on shitty bosses/managers who deserve their losses. The majority seem whiney and negligent of what wealth or money are and how "the economy" actually works. Generating value and all that jazz.

I stay away.
 

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Yep, system needs some work.

SO what will each of us do to change it?

I spend at least one class teaching at the local university on 'money and ethics'. Take them through how it currently works, taxes, the path if you don't want to be a sheep, etc. At the end, I ask them 'so now are you going to vote? run for office? FIX THIS?'. I challenge them that it is up to them to say 'ok, boomer. go relax. we got it from here.' and then FIX it.

What are some specific things we can do to help?
 

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Yep, system needs some work.

SO what will each of us do to change it?

I spend at least one class teaching at the local university on 'money and ethics'. Take them through how it currently works, taxes, the path if you don't want to be a sheep, etc. At the end, I ask them 'so now are you going to vote? run for office? FIX THIS?'. I challenge them that it is up to them to say 'ok, boomer. go relax. we got it from here.' and then FIX it.

What are some specific things we can do to help?

That's the problem. The system is broken and we can't change it, only protect ourselves against it (or better, use it in our favor).

I think education is the key indeed. If people remain uneducated they will put the blame on capitalism and possibly even start becoming communists (like we see on the anti-work subreddit), which will make problems even worse.

I try to red-pill close ones as much people as possible, so that they will thrive because of this broken system. The alternative is that they will get rekt.
 
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Inflation is also bad for business owners. Good luck keeping products in stock. Good luck bookkeeping when prices hike 50% in a year. Good luck keeping employees. Good luck avoiding price controls.

Yes, these people are kept in wageslavery. They work to barely survive and are seeing cantillionaires (look that definition up) everywhere. You don't think they will revolt at some point? They are already chanting 'eat the rich'.

Your argument that lower class shouldn't get an 'allowance' because they will waste it is ridiculous as well. Who cares that they buy weed, that just gives entrepreneurs more opportunity. Right now it all goes to goverment.

Just because you and I made it out doesn't negate the fact that the system is completely broken. I don't want to drive my car along homeless camps. I don't want to get robbed after having dinner at a restaurant.
Bookkeeping doesn't have anything to do with the value of the dollar. I change prices, our books change. It's very simple.

Employees would leave to go do what? We pay more than any other comparable job, it's easier work, and we still have a 50% profit margin.

Wage slavery? It's called "You don't get free shit for just existing". What do I owe you for just existing? You can live any way you want. Learn a skill and you will be able to bring in some good money. You are free to learn no skills, waste your money, waste your time, make terrible decisions, etc. But when you have a shit life, you live with it, not cry about the government not subsidizing your bad choices.

Who cares that people will go from having some sort of productive existence in society to a completely draining dead weight on society? Who cares that we literally steal from more intelligent more productive high quality people and essentially throw it into a bonfire? And now we want to make the fire bigger? Right now it all goes to government...yes that's how it works. "Fake moral reason to collect more taxes -> it actually all goes to government -> find new fake moral reason to collect more taxes -> even more goes to government"

The system that's broken is the PEOPLE we have. They are retarded, drugged, brainwashed, and diluted. We have a people problem. Imagine if we took the people in our country from the WW2 era and swapped them out with the people we have now. Would we still have the same problems? Of course not. Anyone who thinks otherwise has their head on backwards. We've gone from a group of people who can't be stopped, to people that can't be helped. Things have never been easier and we've never been dumber. Our society is crumbling and it's well deserved. The degenerates that are sinking this ship don't deserve to inherit what their ancestors have created.
 

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Bookkeeping doesn't have anything to do with the value of the dollar. I change prices, our books change. It's very simple.

Employees would leave to go do what? We pay more than any other comparable job, it's easier work, and we still have a 50% profit margin.

Wage slavery? It's called "You don't get free shit for just existing". What do I owe you for just existing? You can live any way you want. Learn a skill and you will be able to bring in some good money. You are free to learn no skills, waste your money, waste your time, make terrible decisions, etc. But when you have a shit life, you live with it, not cry about the government not subsidizing your bad choices.

Who cares that people will go from having some sort of productive existence in society to a completely draining dead weight on society? Who cares that we literally steal from more intelligent more productive high quality people and essentially throw it into a bonfire? And now we want to make the fire bigger? Right now it all goes to government...yes that's how it works. "Fake moral reason to collect more taxes -> it actually all goes to government -> find new fake moral reason to collect more taxes -> even more goes to government"

The system that's broken is the PEOPLE we have. They are retarded, drugged, brainwashed, and diluted. We have a people problem. Imagine if we took the people in our country from the WW2 era and swapped them out with the people we have now. Would we still have the same problems? Of course not. Anyone who thinks otherwise has their head on backwards. We've gone from a group of people who can't be stopped, to people that can't be helped. Things have never been easier and we've never been dumber. Our society is crumbling and it's well deserved. The degenerates that are sinking this ship don't deserve to inherit what their ancestors have create

And how do you propose we resolve this perceived crumbling society?

Is it a good idea to just attack people who share anecdotes about poor workplace experiences?

Maybe your top talent aren’t sharing anecdotes on anti-work.

I’m sure there’s not many Costco employees there either.

How about you figure out a way to encourage places to be more like you? If you’re that great at attracting and retaining talent.

Or do you not care enough? You want the people to be better members of society… ?

Or do you just want it, but don’t contribute anything towards achieving it?

Kinda like these people want workplaces to be better places to work for …?

They don’t contribute anything towards achieving it… apart from whining too!

So this means this is a structural issue. Not an individuals issue.

Because from both sides I just see whiners. Whining workers on Reddit and whining businesspeople here.

Whiner on Reddit: “I have a shit place that I work for where my boss was disgusting and doesn’t appreciate me, I got a 1.2% pay rise after being promised a 15% pay rise verbally”

Whiner here: people don’t want to work, everyone’s half assed and expects 3x the pay for 0.5x the work.

—-

Personally, I have no issues with finding/attracting workers. You just need to constantly adapt and be proactive about things. Example pre-empting things and offering a sizeable Christmas bonus to keep the goodwill feeling, giving an occasional paid day off so they can enjoy it/be more productive, offering a bonus day or two to holiday pay, etc. if someone’s a dud: fire fast, let your other employees show how awesome it is to work for you. It’s always better when people do the talking about how good it is with you/your business.

And from a workers perspective.. I’d recommend they put themselves on the market if they don’t like their current job, and see what they’re worth. If you want to half a$$ effort, you might not get great pay, if you want to try, you might get 3x pay for 0.5x effort! I do agree that the people stuck in the most miserable jobs (due to the financial traps/difficulty in upskilling if you don’t have the sufficient education) do need more attention from lawmakers. An army is as fast as it’s slowest soldier, a nation is as great as it’s most vulnerable people.

In short: there is definitely a structural issue that allows places like amazon and Walmart to end up with extremely disgruntled workers. Also, surprise surprise, you will find a lot of duds exist out there! It’s your responsibility to figure out how to attract talent and retain them.

we just have to adapt and work with the situation we are trying to make $$ in.
 
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And how do you propose we resolve this perceived crumbling society?

Is it a good idea to just attack people who share anecdotes about poor workplace experiences?

Maybe your top talent aren’t sharing anecdotes on anti-work.

I’m sure there’s not many Costco employees there either.

How about you figure out a way to encourage places to be more like you? If you’re that great at attracting and retaining talent.

Or do you not care enough? You want the people to be better members of society… ?

Or do you just want it, but don’t contribute anything towards achieving it?

Kinda like these people want workplaces to be better places to work for …?

They don’t contribute anything towards achieving it… apart from whining too!

So this means this is a structural issue. Not an individuals issue.

Because from both sides I just see whiners. Whining workers on Reddit and whining businesspeople here.

Whiner on Reddit: “I have a shit place that I work for where my boss was disgusting and doesn’t appreciate me, I got a 1.2% pay rise after being promised a 15% pay rise verbally”

Whiner here: people don’t want to work, everyone’s half assed and expects 3x the pay for 0.5x the work.

—-

Personally, I have no issues with finding/attracting workers. You just need to constantly adapt and be proactive about things. Example pre-empting things and offering a sizeable Christmas bonus to keep the goodwill feeling, giving an occasional paid day off so they can enjoy it/be more productive, offering a bonus day or two to holiday pay, etc. if someone’s a dud: fire fast, let your other employees show how awesome it is to work for you. It’s always better when people do the talking about how good it is with you/your business.

And from a workers perspective.. I’d recommend they put themselves on the market if they don’t like their current job, and see what they’re worth. If you want to half a$$ effort, you might not get great pay, if you want to try, you might get 3x pay for 0.5x effort! I do agree that the people stuck in the most miserable jobs (due to the financial traps/difficulty in upskilling if you don’t have the sufficient education) do need more attention from lawmakers. An army is as fast as it’s slowest soldier, a nation is as great as it’s most vulnerable people.

In short: there is definitely a structural issue that allows places like amazon and Walmart to end up with extremely disgruntled workers. Also, surprise surprise, you will find a lot of duds exist out there! It’s your responsibility to figure out how to attract talent and retain them.

we just have to adapt and work with the situation we are trying to make $$ in.
My company is doing just fine and we will thrive.

Don’t equate the two parties here, business owners and anti-work people. One is a group of intelligent, disciplined, value adding people who provide things for society and the other group is the exact opposite and a complete drain on society that wants to take from those who produce.
 
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I don’t believe the assumption that those people are lazy. Minimum wage jobs ive had were hardest jobs in terms of exhaustion.

Work when taxed 100% is slavery. No one would work in that case.
Work when taxed 80% is still extremely disincentivizing.

Work at 50% tax and 14% inflation (and rising). How does that sound?

I would be ‘lazy’ too if I am expected to work for basically nothing in return. This phenomenon would not happen if we had sound money and low taxes.
Given that tax everywhere is progressive. High tax and low wage do not go hand in hand.

There is a difference between “I think my work sucks” versus “ I think my work sucks and hence I choose to play computer games at home.”

If you choose to do something with zero roi for your time, it is hard to get rid of the label of being lazy.

What is stopping them to drive for uber eat? Go be a realtor or work a sales role for more roi on their time?

Go learn plumbing and charge a few hundred dollar per service?

Or just sign up military. Some countries are permanently hiring.
 

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Both workers and employees provide value to society. They can be equated.

The worker just trades “Control” of their income for “Stability” and “Predictability”.

Both should do the right thing by each other. I’ve read through posts on that forum. There’s legitimate complaints amongst the sob stories.
 

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Thank you for posting it! I am very pleasantly surprised. This is exactly the result I was hoping for from the whole Covid slowdown. I would say this is a move toward guilt-free rest. Rest is productive, yet today it doesn't come easily for many. I understand it. And it didn't come from air :> It is the pressure created with intention. "People realized what they actually NEED" - amazing - less pointless consumptionism. More focus on healing those emotions that pushed to excessive purchases. Also "people realized there are better options" (to make money) - yeah, better options than miserable toxic work environments? Oh no... So horrible. "Some employers recognize what employees want" - this shows that these drastic changes were needed to be finally seen by SOME EMPLOYERS (I feel the rest that need it, will learn their lessons in organic ways). Generally, I am opening champagne.

In case anyone needs a bigger picture - let's grab a paintbrush and paint it.
People leaving toxic environments where their needs are neglected and emotions abused, by supervisors with personal issues - people seeking safer spaces claim their right to heal themself. And let's be honest - we as a collective have some wounds to take care of. More emotional maturity and healed souls = less abuse and misery. It means less domestic violence. It means more clarity and a generally higher level of life quality. Following - physical health improves as well. Happenings like the Fashion Revolution creating healthy pressure on corporations to basically get their sh*t together - there was a building full of workers, collapsed somewhere in Asia (I am sorry for lack of specifics here) - killing many - with the employers owning no responsibility for neglect in providing safe work environments. Human rights - what does it mean? With corporations being held accountable for their actions the anxiety, depression, and many symptoms we show everyday decrease. If you think this doesn't influence you - meditate a bit perhaps.

Better society - fewer reasons to escape into addictions like alcoholism.
I think that is enough.

Sending a virtual hug,
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Leaving a workplace because of the toxic environment & bad work conditions is a thing.
Purposely not working and b**ching about the society & employers and waiting for hand outs is another.

Those reddits are quite mixed between the 2 topics and honestly seeing how the generations are getting lazier & lazier is quite worrying for the future, i guess they were right about robots in the future. (we shall see obviously but..)

Even worse to think about a possible UBIncome, would totally destroy the enthusiasm of working for many and staying in the infinite loop of "searching for myself" & not working.
 
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