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SUCCESS STORY: Biophase (eCommerce, Real estate)

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There is a point where you determine that "time" is more important than "money." My neighbors can never answer this. They just tell me that you just know. One day the reality of limited time on earth becomes very real. Then time>money.

Amen! :notworthy:
 
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So I wrote the above back in 2008, about 6 months after my first ecommerce store opened. It's been a long journey and time to update this thread.

Back in 2007 I was on flippa looking to buy a dropshipping ecommerce store. I knew nothing about ecommerce so I figured I'd buy a store and then I'd get to see the back end and the inner workings of how a store worked. I found a store that I wanted to buy and made the guy an offer. Long story short, the guy was wishy washy and he ended up saying that his "partner" changed his mind about selling. By that time I had done enough due diligence to gain enough confidence to start my own store.

This was before the days of Interspire, Bigcommerce, Shopify and even Volusion. I downloaded OScommerce which was an open source shopping cart and began to fiddle with it. It took about one month to get my store up and running and within a week I had my first sale.

My store was 100% dropship and I had one supplier. I expanded to 3 suppliers within a few months and was still 100% dropship. With the success of my first store, I opened up several other stores in different niches. Many of them failed and I can't even remember most of them now. But I do remember in Oct 2008 I opened up my second store that I still have today. It was an instant hit, but I was PPCing $50/day and breaking even. I did this to get my store on the map. My dropshippers were very surprised that I sold so much on a new store.

Dec 2008 was the first year that I ran into supply issues. My dropshippers, who supplied many other online stores also, ran out of stock around Dec 5th. Obviously, this was very disappointing to me and I vowed not to have it happen again.

Dec 2009 I called my dropshippers and bought all the inventory that they had and shipped it to my house. This caused all the other stores to run out of stock. But of course my stores had plenty of stock. :)

About this time I realized the limitations of dropshipping. You have no control of inventory and customer service. When I customer called about a product, I had no idea if it was in stock AND if it could get shipped out today. I had to hang up and call my dropshipper and then call the customer back. Although dropshipping gave you freedom, it limited your potential. At some point you have to choose on freedom to work from anywhere vs. more money and control.

So I began to stock 75% of my store's items in my home. I started with 2-3 of each product. But being in business for 3 years now, I knew what my hot sellers were so I'd stock 10 or so of those. My margins were slightly better and I was able to provide much better customer service this way. But the big difference is that now I had to be home to ship out product. It wasn't bad work, I would wake up and have most things done by 12pm. But I also was lucky, because if I was out of town, I could still have my original suppliers dropship for me.

Then in mid 2010, I decided to try to import my own products. This would increase margins by at least 2x and I would be able to brand my own line. I started with an order of 100 products which sold out very fast. This was truly a huge but great step. You see, every year I would get the new 20xx price list in which the wholesale price for a product would go up by a few bucks. However, I could not raise retail prices, so my margins were getting eroded. I had no control over wholesale pricing. By going to China, I was now getting manufacturing pricing.

Business was growing and Sep 2010 was the month where it really started to take off. By Dec 2010, I was working all day packing boxes and dropping them off at Postnet.

In 2011 I made up my mind to hire people and also move the business to a commercial location. So I got a warehouse/office and hired a person. I also began to import more products from China. I was also now "dropshipping" my brand for my original suppliers and some others. I was now the person who would raise my wholesale price yearly!

Not much has changed from 2011 to the present. The ecommerce landscape changed alot due to Google updates and Amazon, but the business is still basically the same. So this is where I'm at right now with this business. I go into the office maybe once a week now. I can take a one month vacation and feel comfortable leaving my business for even longer.

I see many people on here trying to start and business and have freedom at the same time. But you have to sacrifice to get that freedom. Let's say you are making $40k a year, working from anywhere with 100% dropshipping. That's decent money, but you can't be sitting at a beach for long on $40k. You need to expand that business to $100k, but to do so, you may have to give up that freedom for a year. When you get to $100k a year, then you hire someone at $40k and take your $60k and sit on the beach. Better yet, wait until you are at $200k a year, then sit on the beach with $160k. :)
Wow how have I never read this amazing thread? Absolutely amazing to follow the progress made!

This post is where I'm at right now. I'm hiring someone to run the day to day operations so I don't have to. It will cost me about 40k a year but I will be free to go anywhere at anytime and the money keeps coming in. Nothing like being able to do whatever whenever you want.
 
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I re-read this full thread again and it's really inspiring to read about your 16 year journey here. Not to mention the massive mindset shifts that you've made since the beginning. I tried to message you but it doesn't appear that you accept messages. If you were to start fresh in ecommerce today, is there course, conference or program that you would recommend to someone relatively new?

I did dropshipping back in 2008 and gave up on it after my supplier decided to also sell on eBay so I could never compete with their pricing. I know a lot has changed since then so I am looking to shorten the learning curve as much as possible. Thanks in advance.
I don’t know of any e-commerce courses right now that I would recommend. In all honesty, I don’t read or even look at any of them in any detail.

E-commerce is very competitive now. Back when I started e-commerce was the second option of purchasing. Before it was going to a store first, ordering online was the second option. Nowadays ordering online is the first option.

If I were to start fresh, I would follow MJ‘s CENTS for e-commerce, just as if it were a brick and mortar store.

YOU WILL HAVE TIME AND scale ALREADY IN YOUR FAVOR.

CONTROL AND ENTRY ARE NOT DETERMINED BY THE WEBSITE, HOWEVER, THEY ARE DETERMINED BY YOUR PRODUCT.

THE BIGGEST OBSTACLE IS NEED, you NEED TO DETERMINE IF PEOPLE NEED YOUR PRODUCT IN ORDER FOR YOUR E-COMMERCE BUSINESS TO BE SUCCESSFUL. That is where I would start.

You have to figure out the need and value proposition first.

Edit: I don’t know why some sentences were all capitalized. I am using speech to text while walking and do not have time to correct it yet.
 
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Wow, talk about a progress thread filled with success. At the very least this should be tagged as NOTABLE if not GOLD. Thank you @biophase for keeping this updated over the last 8 years. There is so much gold information in your posts that still holds true. There are two points that really hit home for me.
Honestly, I didn't know what I was doing. I downloaded free software for my store, messed around with it, stuck some Paypal buttons on it, called a few manufacturers. I was just winging it. I launched with an imperfect store. But that's ok. If you wait until everything is 100% perfect you'll never open.
  • I need to quit trying to have everything in perfect and in place. No sales will be made if the store is not open, consumers won’t see your product if you are constantly tweaking them, get your product out to the market and make improvements after.
In 2001, my friends and I took a mountain biking trip to Crested Butte, CO. We camped for one week at Lake Irwin. No electric, cell phones, running water, etc... The town had a speed limit of 15mph. I remember cruising into town and slamming the brakes like WTF? However, at the end of 7 days, 15mph actually felt fast in town.
There was a point during the trip that I looked at my watch and calculated that it was 5:30pm in Chicago. At the time I was sitting on a rock on top of mountain at about 11,000ft having a PBJ:banana: sandwich with my buddies just chilling and looking at the clouds. If I were at work this week, I would be running down the street trying to catch my train at this time. What a contrast in speeds. It was at this moment that I knew something was wrong with my direction.
  • This gave me goose bumps when reading because it is exactly how I felt about my life only a few chapters into TFM. Will my current career allow me to enjoy my life how I want or will it only allow me 1-2 weeks of vacation a year. I refuse to waste the remaining years of my life living this lifestyle and am dedicated to changing the 5 for 2 trade off. My destination of choice would be McCall Idaho. Very similar town to Crested Butte, mountain/lake town with all the outdoor fun anyone can handle. Congratulations on being able to live (and work) in your dream city!
You really are a great role model for all newcomers to the forum or any entrepreneurs, I am kicking myself every day for not participating in your mentorship program. Probably won’t overcome that regret.
 

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Sorry I can't say, I've always had capital to work with.

You need to ask yourself why you don't have capital. Then you will realize it is because you don't have skills that people pay for yet. It sounds harsh, but think about it for a second. If you could hit a ball or catch a pass, do you need capital? No, your skills will get you that capital.

If you can build websites, code, find cheap properties, design graphics, etc... that made people money, they would keep hiring you and you will eventually have that capital. It all starts with you.

I agree and not just because it's from @biophase. You have to be able to MASTER A SKILL SET so that you can INCREASE YOUR VALUE TO OTHERS. You can do that in more forms than one. You can provide the labor for your clients or you can package that skillset up and sell it some how.

People don't realize this, they're always looking for an idea. It's not about ideas...It's about mastering a skillset before anything. Think about it...That skillset can be mastering SEO, WRITING COPY, RUNNING PAID TRAFFIC, LEAD GEN, DIRECT RESPONSE MARKETING, IMPORTING, ETC. Pick a skillset that aligns with your personality type; one that you have a general interest in and go and master it. Mark my words - It will be that very same skillset that you utilize within an industry that will make you very wealthy!

I am currently sitting on around $300k cash. I'm not going out and spending that money. You know what I did (I actually did this today) and I will attach a screen shot of my order...I BOUGHT BOOKS! I STAY LEARNING! If you want to make some money here is what you should do. GO OUT AND FIND YOURSELF A PROBLEM!. Stay curious about everything that goes on in your daily life. If you have a painpoint in your life - you can utilize your skills to build a business around that pain point in your life. Everyone has a pain point in something. I have my mother-in-law and I'm sure 1000s of men do too. Maybe I can write a book on how to deal with that mother-in-law and use my "paid ad" skills to sell it...just an example but you feel my drift? If there is something in your life that you're not satisfied with - that's your business...Use the skills that you mastered to attack that business.
 
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My last update was June 2015 so it's only been 15 months.

I started a new business last July and its largest expense is its charitable portion. I am finding that the charitable portion is the most fulfilling part of this business. I don't look at the bottom line. The goal is this business is not to maximize profits or even to make money. My mind has shifted a little and I'm beginning to understand the likes of Elon Musk, Tony Hsieh and Jeff Bezos.

(more to come)

This is what led me down this path, to the book, and everything that has come after. It started when I was 25 and was on the City Commission of my hometown for four years (Fort Scott, KS - little town of about 8500 people about 90 minutes south of KC). I realized during those four years that while money could not buy happiness, it can solve a lot of problems, and help people and groups that want to help solve those problems. Three years after my term was up, I went to work doing IT for B&W Trailer Hitches in Humboldt, KS, and the owner there is both incredibly kind and generous. That company makes seven-figures a month now, but the founder and owner lives in a house not much bigger than some of the ones I grew up in. He gives endlessly, and is incredibly generous to his employees. This is what he did when the Great Recession temporarily killed the demand for premium trailer hitches:


Joe's the real deal. His engineering department actually did the designs for the product line I've got in development for free, just as a favor for a former employee and small business owner. Before I stumbled onto the book, I figured I would have to die and come back as a LaRoche (local MLB family) to actually make that happen, but it looks like my baseball skills will be irrelevant to reaching my goals, which is good, because I always sucked at baseball.
 
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It seems that your POV on money is vastly different than that of many others here.

Thanks to MJ I now have a reason to aim for $1,000,000 net worth. It's because I want to be stickied on here!
 

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The take-aways, for me, in this thread are pretty great:
  • If you want it bad enough, you plan backwards, dump the shiny stuff, and make progress
  • Patient success isn't just waiting for the right deal, it's finding the right deal ASAP and sticking with it (not cashing out for quick gains)
  • Patient success means picking something general, getting better at it while finding which specific thing to focus on
  • Reading / research is only useful when it's used (applied), spinning your wheels, or delaying action while "researching" is not useful
Great thread bio.
 

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:bolt:Hello I'm a new member of this community, honored to be here! My goal here is to motivate You how to become a successful person with a lots of experience, happiness and strong mind through quotes, pictures and videos that I learned over the few years. I hope It will help you to overcome anything and become best version of yourself. :check:
1. quote:
Words Of Wisdom, read this It could change your whole life: Life Is a Journey not a destination. " If we thought of life by analogy with a journey, which had a serious purpose at that end, and the thing was to get to that thing at that end. Success, or whatever it is, or maybe heaven after you’re dead.

But we missed the point the whole way along.

It was a musical thing, and you were supposed to sing or to dance while the music was being played. "

So you think this is appropriate to hijack someone's success story and then talk AT us, instead of WITH us?

This outta be interesting.
 

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Thanks @biophase

Been reading references to you over here in many threads. Thought you were out of here already.

Great to have it you around and still talking. We need your older voices here a lot comrade.

Your thread here makes the process seem so easy.

Everything has a starting point.

Sticking to the lane and continuously running is what matters.

You have a decade + of progress here.

Some of us are knew on here and into entrepreneurship and are on a rush of some kind.

Your progress shows time is still a constant factor. And it's more valuable than money.

Which means we shouldn't sell it for money.
I think that it is a lot of consistency and calculating numbers correctly. When you are young, you want everything right away.

Nobody wants to be the 50yr driving a Ferrari. But when you do eventually become 50, you still have a life to live.

Hopefully you got the Ferrari at 30 or 40. But I would hope you would at least be able to afford it at 50 as a backup!

For example with the 2 homes I purchased in 2005 for $140k. They cashflowed $100-$200/mo with 20% down ($28k). Not much at all.

Then my ARM loans that adjusted from 8.5% down to 2.7%. Rents went from $900/mo to $1500/mo. So my cash flow increased by a lot!

The homes were stuck at $200k for 15 years. Even in 2020, they were worth $250k only. In 2021 they went to $330k and 2022 all the way to $420k.

So for the first 15 years these homes are bringing in around $3$k-12k/year and no appreciation. Then suddenly, up $200k in 2 years.

Imagine being 25 and I tell you to purchase this home and at 40 you’ll cash out. It’s a hard long term pill to swallow. But $28k down for $3k-$12k/yr cash flow and then $280k appreciation isn’t a bad investment for 15 years. Especially since it was passive.

I always invested long term so I’d have less stress on my business. If my business failed I always knew I had real estate investments to retire on.
 

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Great story bio. I too stumbled across RDPD and bought a few properties back before the crash. Only when the numbers stacked up too, so I didn't get burnt when the house of cards came down. I like your attitude to money... when your passive income matches expenses, you're free to do whatever you want. Great story, and that was back in 2007. I will read through it all later. Just wanted to say thanks for that writeup back then, and the bumps.
 

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*Bump* because there are some epic thoughts in the story ... for all those new here.
 

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My last update was June 2015 so it's only been 15 months.

Ecommerce and Amazon has pretty much been the same. Although I think that my update in 2018 may be different since Amazon just changed their review and giveaway policy. That did not affect me at all since I don't use those tactics, but I wonder what new strategies people will come up with now.

I've been doing this for almost 10 years now and my outlook has changed in the past year. Honestly, making money does not excite me anymore. After a while the sales numbers are just numbers and everything is the same. It's just like being at the same job for 10 years, except you own it.

I started a new business last July and its largest expense is its charitable portion. I am finding that the charitable portion is the most fulfilling part of this business. I don't look at the bottom line. The goal is this business is not to maximize profits or even to make money. My mind has shifted a little and I'm beginning to understand the likes of Elon Musk, Tony Hsieh and Jeff Bezos.

These guys are obviously not in it for the money. If you ever wonder how Amazon can afford to ship you a $10 order 2 day UPS air for free, the answer is that they really can't. They are losing money on your order. As an ecommerce person, that made no sense to me, until now. Think about how 2 day shipping is almost the norm now. In 3 years, same day delivery could be the norm. 9 years ago, I was charging $19.99 for ground shipping and people were paying for it.

My point is that Amazon turned 2 day shipping into the speed that we expect online orders now. They sacrificed profit to improve online delivery to the masses. Think about this value add for us as consumers as a whole. They did something that everyone thought was insane, and paved the way for all consumers to get 2 day free shipping from many other stores.

Because my goal is not profit per sale now, I am free to do things that sound crazy. For example, I can price my product at $5 and lose $1 on each sale and happily sell 2000 of these and lose $2000. Why? Because each sale is beneficial to my cause. So in my head I'm donating an extra $2000 to a cause.

This is problem for my competitors who are trying to make money because I can and am willing to lose money for months on a product now. How can they compete against a person who is not trying to make money? So when all my competitors are at $15 and I am at $5 and running $.80/PPC, they are probably wondering WTF?

I'm not doing all of this to lose money. I understand that I am building something here that may take 3-5 years. I am building a brand and an organization that will be counted on in the future for a steady stream of donations. It's not just about me and how much goes into my pocket. I can afford to lose money or break even now, but as the company grows and matures I will being to tighten the costs and make it profitable. Every order doesn't need to be profitable, but at the end of the year, the company should make at least $1.

I literally think years in the future now. I don't look at this year or next year. I try to picture what the company will look like in 2020. It's a very different mindset for me now.

There are things that I want to do with my current business that sound crazy and definitely will lose money per transaction. For example, I have a product selling for $60, cost is $35, shipping is $20 (it's huge). How could I possibly sell this on Amazon? No way right? But now I'm thinking, maybe I could run this at a loss for one year and figure it out during this time. Not sure, how I'll solve it but I need to try vs. just giving up right?

(more to come)


Your thought process never ceases to amaze me, its so out of the box, excellent update, thanks for sharing !
 

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Incredible read @biophase! Great to see the progression and the way your thinking grew. Imagine the life of you living in your now vacation home - not having to rush out at 6 am to go to some job, but instead, you can go climb a mountain or read a book - even learn how to cook ;)

I think I could learn a lot from you.
 

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Wow. Imagine someone just joining this forum and finds this story... that's me.
Time goes quickly, profitable or not.
@biophase , may I ask out of curiosity if you are still in touch with your friends from 2004-5? Did your changes affected that? If yes, do you have any regrets, or would have you done it differently?
 

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Coming back to work the next week I had lost all motivation. I had a great week in Crested Butte and we were all talking about going back the next year. I remember thinking, just another 51 weeks? I work 50 weeks a year to enjoy 2 weeks. Thinking deeper I also realized that I only enjoy Friday and Saturday out of the 7 days of the week. Doing the math, something wasn't right. Why do we enjoy only 2/7 of our lives?

The biggest thing I've learned is that you should take risks in life.
On a mission to read all of the free to play gold threads and what I quoted are some of my favorite sentences that I've read so far. I'm 5-months into a full-time job and am already feeling like 5/7 of my days aren't spent the way I want to live.

I wen't the college route, and it killed my entrepreneurial passion. I was taught that good grades and working hard during internships was the path to success. It is if you want to spend 20 years climbing the corporate ladder...and if that is success to you.

The thing that keeps me working is that I know I am building soldiers in my bank account. It's awesome and extremely motivating to read success stories on here...and to read people's posts from 10 years ago and see the progress they have made since then, and that they are still contributing to this forum...says something about the community and value here. Thanks biophase.
 

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I live in an older community in Scottsdale. I am by far the youngest person on the block. My neighbors probably have an average age of 75. They are the nicest people and always invite me over for dinner. Being a piss poor cook, I always accept. I live in an old school community where I know all of my neighbors.

haha. i just got this image of you speeding around on your bike maneuvering around elderly people walking down the street with their walkers. neighbors: "you coming over for spaghetti tonight kenric?" kenric: "be there by 7" as you swerve in between wheelchairs.
 

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I try to find out when that turning point was. I believe that everyone has it. There is a point where you determine that "time" is more important than "money." My neighbors can never answer this. They just tell me that you just know. One day the reality of limited time on earth becomes very real. Then time>money.

I love this quote biophase. It puts some perspective on this thing called life.
 

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yes, and then there is the time spend solving the mysterious house guest visits..... and dreaming of a different kind of humane society....

Ah you brought this up again... :)

Quick background... my house has some mice, rats or a ghost. At night I hear 3 types of sounds, loud bumps, scratching and a sound like pebbles dropping onto tile.

I talked to my neighbor and she has loud bumps in her house too. So I've concluded that the loud bumps are due to some weird home construction. I need to talk to my other neighbors.

The scratching is definitely mice or rats. Laid down some poison bait this weekend. Will wait a week and see if I still hear it.

Now the pebble dropping...

While talking to my neighbor about the bumps, I found out that 2 owners before did have a death of a child due to some medical issue. I was too afraid to ask if it was in the house. Don't want to know.

While watching Ghost Hunters on SciFi last week, they were investigating a haunted home. The one guy Grant says, did you hear that? It sounds like a pebble dropping on the floor in the laundry room. That made my hair stand.

Hadn't heard the pebble sound for over a month, but I thought I heard it last night. I think my dog heard it to cause he got up and went to investigate before I did.

So yeah, maybe I have been busy...
 

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My story is not as intricate or exciting as the other ones on here
I beg to differ, sir. This story was INCREDIBLE, glad I found this gem! Seeing the progress wrote out from 2007 to 2015 is very inspiring.

Thanks for sharing this man !

It's the stories like these that keep me focused during this up hill climb . Patience and consistent action, and a guy can truly do anything.
 
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My story is not as intricate or exciting as the other ones on here and I'm nowhere near the $1M range yet. But, after reading the other ones I felt compelled to write mine. It's actually pretty boring and normal and it's not the fastlane or slowlane. I'd call it driving in regular traffic and luckily catching all the green lights. :)

I had a normal education at the University of Illinois which ultimately ended with a Master's in Engineering. I knew that I was in college to get the degree only because it meant getting a higher paying job. I got my first job out of college with a hefty $35k salary. After two years of measly raises, I jumped jobs and got paid about $42k. I was in the wireless industry building cell sites. I was there for one year when they were bought out by Alltel. The company was shutting down the Chicago office and moving everyone to Little Rock, AR.

This was my first realization that you can't control your destiny in the corporate world. Luckily I got 6 months severance and landed a job the next day. I took my 6 months severance money and bought my first home in 1999. I started remodelling my home from day 1 and found out that I was really good at it. I knew nothing about real estate investing at this time.

During this dot com era, I changed jobs every year. Every company I went to went under, usually due to crazy overspending on lavish things, but I wasn't going to complain about free health club memberships that cost $100/mo. Although I was changing jobs constantly and I knew that they were through no fault of mine I was having fun living the crazy dot com life, parties, cruises, beer trolleys...

I finally landed a job that felt like a lifer. It's one of those jobs where you retire. I worked with a lady who had been there 35 years!

In 2001, my friends and I took a mountain biking trip to Crested Butte, CO. We camped for one week at Lake Irwin. No electric, cell phones, running water, etc... The town had a speed limit of 15mph. I remember cruising into town and slamming the brakes like WTF? However, at the end of 7 days, 15mph actually felt fast in town.

There was a point during the trip that I looked at my watch and calculated that it was 5:30pm in Chicago. At the time I was sitting on a rock on top of mountain at about 11,000ft having a PBJ sandwich with my buddies just chilling and looking at the clouds. If I were at work this week, I would be running down the street trying to catch my train at this time. What a contrast in speeds. It was at this moment that I knew something was wrong with my direction.

Coming back to work the next week I had lost all motivation. I had a great week in Crested Butte and we were all talking about going back the next year. I remember thinking, just another 51 weeks? I work 50 weeks a year to enjoy 2 weeks. Thinking deeper I also realized that I only enjoy Friday and Saturday out of the 7 days of the week. Doing the math, something wasn't right. Why do we enjoy only 2/7 of our lives?

With this realization, my next thought was how do I enjoy life more. First answer, move to Crested Butte, CO. But homes there cost twice what mine does and salaries are 1/3.

I did a quick calculation on my finances at the time. Jeez, I had a huge house, 2 cars and all the materialistic things I could have ever wanted. I remember seeing on Oprah that families survive on $50k a year. Here I was single, making almost twice as much as that and I couldn't save a penny. Somehow, one day I picked up Rich Dad Poor Dad. Reading that changed my life. I realized that I was tied to my job. I also realized that it was completely my fault.

I started looking into shifting my income from active to passive. This meant real estate, CDs, money market accounts and high dividend stocks. Anything that put $1 into my account at the end of the month without me doing anything, I was reading about.

I had goals in 2002 to lower my expenses and to buy a rental property. I was following the Rich Dad passive income = expenses means you are out of the rat race. Living in Chicago, I quickly realized that there weren't that many positive cashflow properties out there. In addition, my mortgage on my huge house hindered my capabilities to get a loan on a rental property. I could not qualify for a investment loan so I failed my goals in 2002.

I knew I had to sell my primary residence to free up my cash. I completely remodeled the house in the fall of 2002. I also had to sell my Acura NSX. I loved this car so much, but I knew that selling was for a better future. I bought a pre-construction condo in Chicago that I calculated to have positive cashflow. It wouldn't be completed for 2 years. I sold my NSX and put the money down on that condo.

I sold my car and home and all my furniture in 2003 and moved back in with my parents. I came home with a hefty check for over $100,000. Added my to savings, I had a significant wad of money.

I had read almost every single Kiyosaki book and every real estate rental book out there the past two years. It was 2004 and now that my expenses were nil, I was really getting sick of my job. I obviously didn't want to stay at my parents house forever so I looked for a change.

I remember seeing on Loopnet that there were 4-plexes in Phoenix asking $150,000! I didn't know anything about Phoenix. I thought it was all brown and desert. I had a friend living in LA. He said that I could live with him. So I quit my job and moved to LA. On the way to LA, I stopped by Phoenix and bought 2 condos in Scottsdale and a preconstruction house. Talk about impulse shopping! I had 4 properties and no job!

These buys were all based on cashflow. I was a cashflow guy. If COCR was above 10%, I was buying. The condos had Section 8 tenants and would cashflow $183/mo at the price I paid with 20% down. One day from moving out of Chicago and I was cashflowing $366/mo! This was easy. LOL

I didn't really like living in LA. I was 30 minutes from the beach and real estate was crazy expensive. 4-flats were $1,000,000 and massively negative cashflow. I couldn't stay with my friend forever and the LA RE market was booming. Then one of my Section 8 tenants got kicked off of Section 8. It was reported that she was a prostitute and on drugs. I got her evicted and went to view the condo, which was of course, trashed. I had to fix it back up to get it re-rented. In the process, it occurred to me that I should just move into it. That's how I ended up in Phoenix.

The market in Phoenix went crazy during 2005. I literally hit the lottery. Homes were appreciating $10k per month. I made another preconstruction purchase based on the comps I felt I had $100k in equity at the purchase. My Chicago condo also closed with about $60k in equity.

In 2005 I had literally turned my networth into around $600k. However, I totally understood that this was pretaxed, pre-realtor commissioned money. Getting $600k cash in the bank was another story.

One day I was surfing craigslist when I came across an ad about preconstruction, cashflowing, mountain view townhomes in Salt Lake City. I made a call to the realtor, did some research online and decided that he wasn't bullshiting. I booked a flight the new morning to SLC, rented a car and met the realtor. I drove the areas, looked at the rents and bought 2 townhomes at $140k. I found a property manager and hired them and my first PM'd rental was born. My calculations didn't quite work out. My proforma rents were too high and I had accept lower rent. Turned out that both townhomes had break even cashflow. Well, one was -$7/mo. These townhomes have appreciated to $195k each, adding another $100k to my networth.

I also picked up a couple 1 acre lots in St. George, Utah. This was my first foray into land. In hindsight, I broke my cardinal positive cashflow rule. Buying land you are 99% assured negative cashflow.

2006 saw the downturn of the real estate market. This is where having positive cashflow or at least breakeven cashflow helps alot. I sold my lots in St. George at a loss of around $35k. I sold my condos in Scottsdale at the peak of the market. I sold one preconstruction house at about $65k below peak prices. My SLC and Chicago properties have held in value. My Phoenix properties have dropped huge. I've learned alot about value of geographic diversification.

My story doesn't have and ups and downs like the other ones. However, some months are bad and some are very good. During the bad months you wonder if you should have stayed in the comfortable cubicle and lived the easy predefined life. The biggest thing I've learned is that you should take risks in life.

I do sometimes wonder what my life and networth would be if I stayed at my job in 2004. I think about what I've experienced in the past 3 years since quitting. I'm not talking about the money. I'm talking about living in LA, PHX, traveling to SLC, St. George and dozens of other cities that I ended up not buying anything in. My ex-co-workers used to call me and the first thing they said was, "Hey, what city are you in today?" Before that I had spent 33 years in Chicago.

When I moved into my condo in Scottsdale, I experienced something for the first time in my life. I had lost the ambition for money. What I mean is the pursuit of making lots of money just to make money. I had a monthly payment of $600/mo which included all utilities. For all intensive purposes, I did not have to work for 10 years at my current burn rate. The need for money to pay bills was gone.

So now you wake up and what do you do? The answer is... anything you want! This is what many retirees face after 55 years. I faced it at 33. I had a new outlook on life. My main priority now was living life, I figure I have at least 50 years. Where does all the time go? LOL Money is important, but money is a means to live life. You shouldn't live your life to get the money. If I want to travel the world, I find out what it costs and then go make that money. I look at money with a purpose. It's purpose isn't to sit in a bank. It's purpose is for you to spend it on things that you enjoy.

I might have to look into joining that Lambo crowd on here... you guys are making them very appealing to me!


Thank you for the motivation @biophase I am a real estate investor as well. I am actually starting experiencing the good old "Cashflow" I own 5 homes at the time (1 of them is a triplex) and looking to buy another 3-4 units in 2017. As soon as I cashflow enought for all my daily expenses I should start enjoying this world more. I am currently 26 years old, I want to be financial free by 28-30. We should link up soon ! Add me on instagram: MILANTHEREALTOR
 
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Hey Biophase,

First of all, love all of the threads you posted. I read them over and over again. I saw that you had an FBA course and mentorship program not too long ago. Are you considering doing this again in the future?

I would love to be a part of it. I just ordered my first shipment of items from China and my heart is beating...hoping to go on the same journey as you. I'm hoping to get this 9-5 noose of off my neck so I can live life...

Thanks,
MG
 

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I like reading the old posts of established members of this forum because the tone of their old posts sounds like the tone of many of the newbies. It's helpful to remember that many of the people here had modest beginnings.

The biggest thing I've learned is that you should take risks in life.

Best quote in the post.
 

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I realize this was quite a while ago, but how did you get the loan for these properties with no job? I'm working toward house hacking currently, and I have had to jump through hoops for the loan since I've only been making bonus money for a year (they require two years for it to be counted as income).

Loans were easy back then, no doc loans and state income loans were so easy to get.
 

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I actually found your story pretty interesting! It seems that your POV on money is vastly different than that of many others here. You also exited the rat race pretty early on in your life. Congrats and good luck in the future.
 

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