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AF77

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I make 134,000 a year on paper.

My take home every other week is 4,124.00
My actual income before taxes is 5,108.00

I get over 900 dollars taken out every two weeks! That’s a F*cking fifth of my income.

AND, I always OWE money to the irs at the end of the year.

I have two small children and I am married.

Edit: I was a bit off, Exact numbers:

 

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I can’t believe I don’t get any of that back and I owe money every year.


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are you in the US? go to irs.gov .... download form 1040 and the instructions. physically fill out your tax return and see 'why'. then run a few scenarios and see what other options for income vs how it is taxed ....
then get w/ your tax professional and see if there is something you are missing....

the gist .... w2 income is heavily taxed. THEN you pay for your stuff w/ post tax money. .... not fastlane
 

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I'm actually surprised you're not paying more.
 
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I'm actually surprised you're not paying more.
OUCH.

From the man himself.

So basically this is normal, I should continue to feel robbed, and assume suicide is the only escape?

Every time I get a 6% raise it gets cut in half by taxes.
 
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To complain about the tax is useless, it's something that everyone endures.
For your road to wealth, it is better not to complain.:)
 

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If you are only paying 20% in taxes, you will definitely owe more at the end of the year.

In your tax bracket it's common to have about 33% taken out of your paycheck and then get back a little bit of money at the end of the year.

But your overall yearly tax from your paycheck will be between 25-30% usually. So expect to have more taken out as you move up the income ladder.
 
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If you are only paying 20% in taxes, you will definitely owe more at the end of the year.

In your tax bracket it's common to have about 33% taken out of your paycheck and then get back a little bit of money at the end of the year.

But your overall yearly tax from your paycheck will be between 25-30% usually. So expect to have more taken out as you move up the income ladder.
Very useful knowledge.
So essentially with minor 3%-6% bumps, I’m making 5 dollars more a week.
 

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Interesting, I just ran your income through an income tax calculator for my country.

Of the 5108 you get every 2 weeks you'd take home 2835. Also sales tax in this country is 21%.

Only 2 things are certain in life, death and taxes. And it could be a lot worse.
 

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Interesting, I just ran your income through an income tax calculator for my country.

Of the 5108 you get every 2 weeks you'd take home 2835. Also sales tax in this country is 21%.

Only 2 things are certain in life, death and taxes. And it could be a lot worse.
I don’t live in a socialist or communist country.
 

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Cut to scene - government bureaucrats dancing to the song "We're in the Money." Tears stream down citizen's faces as the crats enjoy cake and champagne. Ragamuffin children stand outside, hungry and dirty.

Enter AF77, eyes wide.

AF77: What in the world is going on here?

Bureaucrat #1: No big deal, mate! We're just having a celebration, that's all.

AF77: But who's paying for all this?!

Bureaucrat #2: Why, you are mate!

Bureaucrat Chorus: Laughter.
 

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Thread is derailed in 3... 2... 1...

Ok but before that happens. Seriously, it's worth talking to a CPA. Make sure you're taking the write-offs you can take, and do some research on tax credits and deductions that apply to your industry. For several years I was able to take a "domestic production" credit which was great. In the US. It's been repealed now I think, but it was good while it lasted, and most people didn't even know it existed.
 

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Thread is derailed in 3... 2... 1...

Ok but before that happens. Seriously, it's worth talking to a CPA. Make sure you're taking the write-offs you can take, and do some research on tax credits and deductions that apply to your industry. For several years I was able to take a "domestic production" credit which was great. In the US. It's been repealed now I think, but it was good while it lasted, and most people didn't even know it existed.
My joking comments aside, @Rabby is giving the most useful advice. Regardless of country, once you hit a certain tax bracket, a tax advisor will save you more money than they cost. And it they don’t at least you know you’ll have done all you legally can. I’m sure your tax system also has funky deductibles you may not be aware of that could reduce your tax burden.
 

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My joking comments aside, @Rabby is giving the most useful advice. Regardless of country, once you hit a certain tax bracket, a tax advisor will save you more money than they cost. And it they don’t at least you know you’ll have done all you legally can. I’m sure your tax system also has funky deductibles you may not be aware of that could reduce your tax burden.
In the US, if you're just a W-2 employee, then there isn't much tax planning. Not worth the cost of a CPA unless you're $300k plus (then you get into conservation easements and other fun things).

Own a business. Otherwise, you're SOL.
 

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I live in the most taxed jurisdiction in North America with a 53% marginal income tax rate when you combine federal and provincial taxes.
 

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No, you shouldn't be taxed at all, but you are. Look into how to dodge them without getting caught.
 

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No, you shouldn't be taxed at all, but you are. Look into how to dodge them without getting caught.
Our government is just too F*ckin' big, bureaucratic and inefficient.

This book has helped me see the potential in having something else in place other than the 2 choices we seem to have now.

Something needs to change.

Just read the description alone and see if it doesn't intrigue...

I'm a convert (although I do dig what Andrew Yang has had to say, recently).

 

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Our government is just too F*ckin' big, bureaucratic and inefficient.

This book has helped me see the potential in having something else in place other than the 2 choices we seem to have now.

Something needs to change.

Just read the description alone and see if it doesn't intrigue...

I'm a convert (although I do dig what Andrew Yang has had to say, recently).

Libertarians are onto the right track but not quite - they don't have much of a political philosophy. Read "Capitalism: The Unknown Ideal".
 
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Our government is just too F*ckin' big, bureaucratic and inefficient.

This book has helped me see the potential in having something else in place other than the 2 choices we seem to have now.

Something needs to change.

Just read the description alone and see if it doesn't intrigue...

I'm a convert (although I do dig what Andrew Yang has had to say, recently).

I overly enjoyed law abiding citizen until the end; guess who I was rooting for?
 

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Libertarians are onto the right track but not quite - they don't have much of a political philosophy. Read "Capitalism: The Unknown Ideal".
Have you read the description?

BTW, what do you mean they don't have a political philosophy?

The gist is you get to decide what you do with your life without much government interference, intervention nor meddling.

Why do we need big government to decide what's right for you?

It assumes you're smart enough to make decisions for yourself without NEEDING to be taxed to oblivion nor fear being bullied by your government.

Just sayin'
 

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In my country it's more like 30%, no matter the rate they pay you.

Although, I'm sure there are some workarounds in Europe, whenever I see, for example 70k euros a year salary, I just divide that number by 2 because taxes. Better underestimate than overestimate in this case.

I think 20% is okay.
 

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In the US, if you're just a W-2 employee, then there isn't much tax planning. Not worth the cost of a CPA unless you're $300k plus (then you get into conservation easements and other fun things).

Own a business. Otherwise, you're SOL.
I second this.

As long as you remain an employee you don't have much or any control.

That's the "beauty" of payroll withholding from the government perspective.

They've got you by the short and curlies.

Once you have a business, even a side gig, your options for tax minimization open up a lot.

BTW, you didn't say... Where do you live? Country, state?

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When someone complains about a 18% tax burden... when you know people paying about 50%.

And then you remember you pay way more than 18% too... :mad:
 

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