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This is the second time I have heard of this Sam guy. Like someone else said in a different post good for him. He has found a way to make millions not through consulting but by feeding people a dream about making millions through consulting.Just another Tai?
These 'success stories' seem to be popping up more and more on the internet. People who have "overnight success" and now everyone wants to buy in on his recipe or secret.
Its really frustrating to see people following and believing what they say. Its like the new MLM. Selling bogus advice/methods.
"Sam Ovens started completely broke working out of his parents garage in New Zealand and in four short years built a wildly profitable consulting business, moved to Manhattan and made over $10 million dollars.
This FREE training class cut's right to the chase and reveals exactly how Sam was able to start and grow his consulting business so quickly and how you can do the same starting RIGHT NOW!
Sam has one of the best (if not the best) track records in this industry and has created 9 Millionaire consultants and 136 6-Figure consultants with his training.
Sam usually charges $6,000 - $36,000 to work with clients but this training reveals the exact same methods to you for FREE! Register now before this is taken offline in the new few days."
- Huffington Post
He has people posting all over his Facebook wall about how "his course made them successful."
^^^ This.It's only a dream until you take action.
That goes for Sam, MJ's book, hell anyone with a book with a plan, or a course with action steps.
Can you make millions? Sure if you work long enough at it, pick the right niche, charge more than you are worth, and relentlessly exploit new opportunities once you have a relationship with a business owner.
The consulting model really isn't that hard to understand.
1. Be good at one thing that people are already paying for (or know someone good and partner, you win deals, they fulfill)
2. Get in the biz owner's face somehow (cold call, cold email, direct mail, paid ads, webinar, borrowed list, your own list, attraction marketing, earned traffic (SEO), visit trade shows - conferences - meetups, demonstrate expertise - speaking events, etc etc etc)
3. Give value upfront (be good at something, demonstrate that you are good, free report, white paper, value video, free, test etc)
4. Make an offer (strategy session, consult, whatever you call it) try to close early as possible. Have a conversation.
5. Follow up relentlessly until they buy or die.
6. Close em.
7. Get paid.
8. Do the work or outsource
9. Make sure it's damn good work, don't be a scamming slimy bastard (See #1 be good at one thing).
10. Try to build in a referral strategy to drastically cut the cost of winning a new client. Nothin like a happy guy proselytizing on your behalf.
Although I've never purchased anything from Sam, I've watched his automated webinar out of curiosity a couple weeks ago.
To be honest, I don't see how you guys think it's a scam, it's fairly straight forward what he is offering. You could conclude it's grossly over-priced, or that he is over-promising...but the basic concept is that he helps you carve a niche in an industry for consulting, build in consulting product, build sales funnels to generate appointments and scripted sales calls on how to close new clients.
Yes you could EASILY learn all this on your own via the internet for free, he's just repackaging information, putting all in one place and selling it at a very high price. Yes he maybe over-promising/selling the "dream", but how do you know all his claims are false? Maybe he did create millionaire consultants.
BTW this is one of Sam's students: http://www.andrewargue.com/, seems to be doing alright in that Miami penthouse. If Sam helped Andrew build a consulting business focused on accountants...that's value-add if you ask me (assuming Andrew is now helping accountants grow their practice).
Nailed it. If he's hitting everybody's FB feed it's because he's applying digital marketing techniques that work. You don't have to be an IM 'gooorooo' and sell snake oil. There's ways to do the same thing in an honest and ethical way. Remember that you can be honest and still apply 21st century marketing principles.You are still looking at this like a consumer.
That quote looks awfully familiar. Wonder where we've seen that before?
This is the reason why I don't think coaching is a good use of money for beginners. Same reason why I don't think the first step an out-of-shape person needs to take is to hire a personal trainer. In the beginning of getting fit, you can get great results just by cutting out soda and pizza and walking for half an hour a day. Same in business: You can win big with easy stuff when you're starting out, but these guys demand thousands of dollars for the info that other people will give you for fives of dollars, and, if you're not ready to take all-in action, the results will be identical whether you buy a $20 book or a $20,000 course.Sounds like something I said in a book I wrote nearly 7 years ago.
I agree.This is the reason why I don't think coaching is a good use of money for beginners. Same reason why I don't think the first step an out-of-shape person needs to take is to hire a personal trainer. In the beginning of getting fit, you can get great results just by cutting out soda and pizza and walking for half an hour a day. Same in business: You can win big with easy stuff when you're starting out, but these guys demand thousands of dollars for the info that other people will give you for fives of dollars, and, if you're not ready to take all-in action, the results will be identical whether you buy a $20 book or a $20,000 course.
Coaching at the "entry" level is for people who need to be told what to do every step of the way to succeed. People who can't take the TMF template and scaffold it into something on their own.
You know who else needs to be told what to do every step of the way when they first get into a businesss? Employees. Low level employees.
It might not be popular but I feel convinced that you simply cannot go fastlane if you need this kind of help when you first start in order to succeed. The small minority of people who do go fastlane after dumping four or five figures into "getting started" coaching only made it, IMO, because they grew out of the immaturity that led them to seek out a bootcamp in the first place. These intro coaching events and packages exist solely to enrich the organizer on the backs of dreamers.
Disclaimer: This is not to disparage specialized coaching, mentorships, or circles that attempt to push already seasoned 'treps to the next level, or which seek to solve a specific roadblock within a sub-domain of a niche. That's like getting a personal trainer when you're already fit but are not seeing results anymore-It's smart.
If ever there was a Golden Nugget in plain sight.. this is it. Your value to the marketplace and consequently the number in your bank account will be a direct consequence of the results you provide your customers / the market.Guess what? Data has no value. Information has no value. Knowledge has no value. Action has some value (more than I realised tbh).
*Results* are what has value. Results are what the market pays for.
Also a lot of 20 something "gurus" self publishing regurgitated mish mashes of other people's work. I recently read Ten Pillars of Wealth by Alex Becker and a lot of it seemed to be borrowed from TFLM and of course the pillars concept came from Jim Rohn.Unfortunately now the internet is rife with 20-something gurus who took a course from another 20-something guru on how to be a 20-something guru.
Yes, teaching is hard. I have done some work like that before in high school on a variety of topics.I wonder who said this originally? I wonder if they could teach.
I find teaching really hard - harder than just doing the work...
I was going to say the same...I love stuff like this.
Instead of bitching, you guys should study what he is doing here.
The real problem is that you look at this as a product to buy that could help you. Look at it for what it is: a product that Sam Ovens is getting rich from.
You are still looking at this like a consumer.
You complain about seeing his ads, maybe getting "spam" emails, and his "guru" tactics - then come on this forum and read about how to build a business using things like PPC, copywriting, and landing pages.
Who gives a crap what the guy is doing - stuff like this is FREE education on what is working FOR SAM OVENS.
Open your eyes.
1. That backdrop isn't fake – it's his apartment where he lives in midtown Manhattan (check his Instagram for plenty of other shots from other angles of the same apartment).
Can you share one of those lessons?I took Sam's course and found it very helpful. Actually I don't think all his distinctions and ideas are easily available just through some Googling. He does actually have his own ideas many of which helped me in growing my own fastlane business.
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