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Came across this and it reminded me of the reality and why I’m on this journey. It showed me why not to give in to the dogma.
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He’s also an a**hole; putting a price on his wife’s life.

What if he had cancer? I imagine he would be happy to be alive.

Even if this clown had an 8 figure net worth, he would still be upset that his wife’s illness cost him money.

He also probably wants socialized medicine and all the ‘great’ things that come with it.

Gag.
 

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He’s also an a**hole; putting a price on his wife’s life.

What if he had cancer? I imagine he would be happy to be alive.

Even if this clown had an 8 figure net worth, he would still be upset that his wife’s illness cost him money.

He also probably wants socialized medicine and all the ‘great’ things that come with it.

Gag.
My thoughts also.

We have NO guarantees. Go back 100 years, not too long ago, where were our societies at back then?
 

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“Is this the country I am supposed to be proud of?”

Yes, it sucks she got cancer, it sucks it cost money to save her life, but bloody well celebrate you live in a country where you can save at least some who get cancer.

Don’t even need to go back 100 years ago @SteveO - just look around the globe and tell me how many countries have equipment and training to treat some forms of cancer?

This guy is a major douchebag for posting this. @Thoelt53 is right, I had the same reaction.
 

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“Is this the country I am supposed to be proud of?”

Yes, it sucks she got cancer, it sucks it cost money to save her life, but bloody well celebrate you live in a country where you can save at least some who get cancer.

Don’t even need to go back 100 years ago @SteveO - just look around the globe and tell me how many countries have equipment and training to treat some forms of cancer?

This guy is a major douchebag for posting this. @Thoelt53 is right, I had the same reaction.
Agreed.

@DumplingEveryDay we’re not shitting on you. I’m glad you reading that post made you feel you need to get out the rat race. God forbid you or someone you love gets sick, you certainly don’t want it to jeopardize or bankrupt you.

Just don’t think like that guy thinks. He’s in the situation he’s in because he acts, talks and thinks like a loser.
 

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“Is this the country I am supposed to be proud of?”

Yes, it sucks she got cancer, it sucks it cost money to save her life, but bloody well celebrate you live in a country where you can save at least some who get cancer.

Don’t even need to go back 100 years ago @SteveO - just look around the globe and tell me how many countries have equipment and training to treat some forms of cancer?

This guy is a major douchebag for posting this. @Thoelt53 is right, I had the same reaction.
With all dues respect, my country (Germany) has and we have what the US people hate so much (and oftenly call "communism" ) - public health insurance.

Everyone pays in it and if I or my wife gets cancer, I don't loose all my savings.

Don't get me wrong, I love the US especially of their entrepreneurial mindset and how much stronger you always rise if someone tries to bring you down, but why I have to pay with my life savings for this (and why that should be communism), I simply do not understand.

Sorry, just my 0.02
 

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Don't be a "leftie" or "commie". You should pay for your own insurance, if you can't afford it... tough luck. Work harder I guess. Tax is theft.
 

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With all dues respect, my country (Germany) has and we have what the US people hate so much (and oftenly call "communism" ) - public health insurance.

Everyone pays in it and if I or my wife gets cancer, I don't loose all my savings.

Don't get me wrong, I love the US especially of their entrepreneurial mindset and how much stronger you always rise if someone tries to bring you down, but why I have to pay with my life savings for this (and why that should be communism), I simply do not understand.

Sorry, just my 0.02

So does my country - Canada. And I am grateful for it. And sometimes it fails and I still use private care. That’s why the guy from the post was complaining that USA didn’t take care of his savings. Instead, he should be grateful for his wife to be alive. The two don’t compare.

I have a close personal friend whose wife battled cancer for a few years and unfortunately did not survive. Here in Canada he got everything covered. As a last ditch effort he went for experimental private care in Mexico, spent his life savings on it and it didn’t work. She passed away. Not once did I hear him complain about money. He would have given anything and everything to get her back. You can always make more money but you can‘t make more time!

That’s my issue with the post quoted by the OP. Not a debate on public or private health care.
 

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I am not too familiar with US healthcare system - isn’t there some kind of insurance that you can buy that will cover cancer treatment? Or is it so expensive or broken that you can’t rely on it?
 

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The US healthcare system is total garbage. It’s worlds away from actual capitalism which would make the cheapest and highest quality healthcare humanly possible, but no one will ever let it get there.

Many of you would be surprised to hear that for what we have to already pay in taxes as a country, I believe they might as well just socialize the damn industry at this point. The tweaks, favoritism, and regulations have already made it unbearable. Everyone has their ideas about what to do with the industry and none of them are capitalism.

Many would argue quality of care would suffer, it will, but at this point I think that’s mostly gone too.

It will certainly slow progress, but screw it. It would be better for businesses in America to not have to consider nonsense benefits package compliance.

I’m a capitalist, not a capitalist “but this that and the other,” I’m not making apologies for capitalism or making concessions that it doesn’t work. It does. In every industry. I’m just admitting defeat by the collectivists on this one, it’s like retreating from a battle to win the war. Let’s stop letting them call the US system private because it isn’t now, and it wasn’t before Obamacare either.

Letting the communists hang their hat on the American medical system and call it “failed capitalism” is bullshit. Just give them what they want and move on. This won’t be my country forever anyway.
 
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He’s also an a**hole; putting a price on his wife’s life.

What if he had cancer? I imagine he would be happy to be alive.

Even if this clown had an 8 figure net worth, he would still be upset that his wife’s illness cost him money.

He also probably wants socialized medicine and all the ‘great’ things that come with it.

Gag.
I don't think it's so much putting a price on his wife's life as it is frustration with the fact that one emergency can wipe out 20 years of hard work.
 

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“Is this the country I am supposed to be proud of?”

Yes, it sucks she got cancer, it sucks it cost money to save her life, but bloody well celebrate you live in a country where you can save at least some who get cancer.

Don’t even need to go back 100 years ago @SteveO - just look around the globe and tell me how many countries have equipment and training to treat some forms of cancer?

This guy is a major douchebag for posting this. @Thoelt53 is right, I had the same reaction.
I somewhat disagree with this statement. I agree that we should be grateful that we live in a country with the equipment and skills necessary to save someone from cancer. But I still think it's very sad that 20 years of savings were wiped out in 5 months to do this.
 

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The US healthcare system is total garbage. It’s worlds away from actual capitalism which would make the cheapest and highest quality healthcare humanly possible, but no one will ever let it get there.

Many of you would be surprised to hear that for what we have to already pay in taxes as a country, I believe they might as well just socialize the damn industry at this point. The tweaks, favoritism, and regulations have already made it unbearable. Everyone has their ideas about what to do with the industry and none of them are capitalism.

Many would argue quality of care would suffer, but at this point I think that’s gone too.

It will certainly slow progress, but screw it. It would be better for businesses in America to not have to consider nonsense benefits package compliance.

For some reason people are incapable of understanding that the US healthcare system is not private healthcare.
 

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The US healthcare system is total garbage. It’s worlds away from actual capitalism which would make the cheapest and highest quality healthcare humanly possible, but no one will ever let it get there.

Many of you would be surprised to hear that for what we have to already pay in taxes as a country, I believe they might as well just socialize the damn industry at this point. The tweaks, favoritism, and regulations have already made it unbearable. Everyone has their ideas about what to do with the industry and none of them are capitalism.

Many would argue quality of care would suffer, but at this point I think that’s gone too.

It will certainly slow progress, but screw it. It would be better for businesses in America to not have to consider nonsense benefits package compliance.

The industry is a bloated inefficient mess propped up by government regulations and it needs to hurry up and die, but it won't because peoples' lives depend on it. Ultimately, it survives because those with means are willing to pay whatever price (turns out the demand for healthcare is about as elastic as a metal rod) and those without means will simply not pay, and taxpayers will foot the bill for them (sounds like socialism to me!). Hospitals are incentivized to charge insane prices for even the most basic things because they know they'll get paid, but not always on time and not always for everything.

To fix the problem would mean putting hundreds of thousands of people out of work, lose billions on stock market value for the companies that benefit (which also means hurting the stock portfolios of the millions of Americans who are invested in these companies), and end yet another battle that politicians can fight over for votes.

Almost everyone wants the problem to be solved, but the people who don't, REALLY don't.

When people are going to f*cking Mexico to get healthcare, you know you've f*cked up as a nation. And Canada's healthcare system isn't much better (it's actually worse in some respects) but health outcomes remain considerably better across the board. Plus, Canadians never have to worry about being bankrupted from medical care. A Type 1 diabetic can take the risk of quitting his job to start his own business without worrying about losing his health insurance that literally keeps him alive.

The reality is, some people benefit more from artificially created inefficiencies than from capitalism. Hence, the US healthcare system.
 

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I don't think it's so much putting a price on his wife's life as it is frustration with the fact that one emergency can wipe out 20 years of hard work.
What’s more frustrating: losing 20 years of savings or losing your wife?

I’d spend every penny I have to save my wife’s life. If I was broke after that, there is only one person to blame. And it ain’t my wife. Or the doctor, hospital, insurance company or system.

I can’t see how the gratitude I would feel to have my wife see another day could be outweighed by money. I’d give my life for her, and I can’t put a price on mine.

BTW, I am not saying the US health care system isn’t f*cked up. I am saying that I can’t change that, but I can change my bank account and put myself in a position where a medical crisis won’t bankrupt my family.
 
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With all dues respect, my country (Germany) has and we have what the US people hate so much (and oftenly call "communism" ) - public health insurance.

Everyone pays in it and if I or my wife gets cancer, I don't loose all my savings.

Don't get me wrong, I love the US especially of their entrepreneurial mindset and how much stronger you always rise if someone tries to bring you down, but why I have to pay with my life savings for this (and why that should be communism), I simply do not understand.

Sorry, just my 0.02
well said bro.
and most of the developed world - except Americans, understand this.
Those arguing for "work harder" or "life isn't fair" etc, etc, have been manipulated so bad by the media that they say this stuff ad nauseum.
 

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So does my country - Canada. And I am grateful for it. And sometimes it fails and I still use private care. That’s why the guy from the post was complaining that USA didn’t take care of his savings. Instead, he should be grateful for his wife to be alive. The two don’t compare.

I have a close personal friend whose wife battled cancer for a few years and unfortunately did not survive. Here in Canada he got everything covered. As a last ditch effort he went for experimental private care in Mexico, spent his life savings on it and it didn’t work. She passed away. Not once did I hear him complain about money. He would have given anything and everything to get her back. You can always make more money but you can‘t make more time!

That’s my issue with the post quoted by the OP. Not a debate on public or private health care.
the post was pointing out the frustration of how living in a developed country can bankrupt you for things like cancer treatment.
sure, you can make more money. but to deny the stress, and all the other non-sense that comes with pretty much losing everything you built in 3 months, cause of a few doctors visits, is asinine.

Choosing to pay for experimental therapy is one thing, but it's not the same as going bankrupt for regular cancer therapies.

Your story is non-sensical and does not apply. You're literally comparing apples to oranges. Shame you can't see that in your anecdote.

I'm sure your friends tune would change had he spent his life savings for REGULAR treatment in REGULAR hospitals in Canada.
 

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@daivey
You missed my point, so I’ll try a different angle.

The guy admits that the system made him bitter and hateful person. Read the post again.

I am saying, he should rejoice at the fact that his wife is alive. His focus is on the wrong thing.

Both are true, the system f**ed him! And his wife is alive. Which one should he be? Bitter and hateful person?

OR …

Grateful and happy she’s alive?

You tell me.

In no way am I saying “harden up and shut up about the system”, I’m saying that in life we get good and bad news all the time. You get to pick what you want to focus on. He chose to be bitter and hateful. How does his wife feel? Does she now feel he’s blaming her and her cancer for them suddenly becoming poor?

you can make more money but you can’t make more time.
 

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the post was pointing out the frustration of how living in a developed country can bankrupt you for things like cancer treatment.
sure, you can make more money. but to deny the stress, and all the other non-sense that comes with pretty much losing everything you built in 3 months, cause of a few doctors visits, is asinine.

Choosing to pay for experimental therapy is one thing, but it's not the same as going bankrupt for regular cancer therapies.

Your story is non-sensical and does not apply. You're literally comparing apples to oranges. Shame you can't see that in your anecdote.

I'm sure your friends tune would change had he spent his life savings for REGULAR treatment in REGULAR hospitals in Canada.
It’s locus of control. I would spend everything I have to save my wife or my children. I would never blame the system, my wife or anyone else.

I am responsible for my family. That responsibility doesn’t lie with the system, state or even God.

Here again we see the schism of collectivism vs individualism. You either get it or you don’t.
 

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For what it’s worth, my son just today had a relatively minor maxillofacial operation.

We waited only 4 weeks, for a totally non life-threatening surgery and it cost me $500 out of pocket. The cost of the operation is between $65,000-$90,000 TBD.

It could be worse in this country. Yes I have private insurance, cry me a river. Publicly funded insurance would have left me with ZERO out of pocket cost with ZERO premium cost, in MA at least. America must suck, I wouldn’t know…
 
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For what it’s worth, my son just today had a relatively minor maxillofacial operation.

We waited only 4 weeks, for a totally non life-threatening surgery and it cost me $500 out of pocket. The cost of the operation is between $65,000-$90,000 TBD.

It could be worse in this country. Yes I have private insurance, cry me a river. Publicly funded insurance would have left me with ZERO out of pocket cost with ZERO premium cost, in MA at least. America must suck, I wouldn’t know…

Somebody paid for it. Ignoring where it came from doesn't make it cheaper. You just can't see it.
 

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It’s locus of control. I would spend everything I have to save my wife or my children. I would never blame the system, my wife or anyone else.

I am responsible for my family. That responsibility doesn’t lie with the system, state or even God.

Here again we see the schism of collectivism vs individualism. You either get it or you don’t.
Keep circle jerking yourself to this non-sense.

You are responsible for your family? Oh ok, so if someone comes up to you and shoots you in the head, is it your fault too cause you didn't take responsibility into your own hand by driving an armored car?/ right??

Oh BuT dAiVeY tHaTs NoT tHe SaMe ThInG.

Actually it is. You getting cancer severe enough that requires intervention which costs 100's of thousands of dollars is LITERALLY just drawing the short stick.. Flipping a coin if you will. SURE some of your life choices may contribute to it.. and sometimes it's just the short stick - genetics. So to casually sit back and say "HuR DuR I'm responsible" is just a cop out non-sense which is being shoved down your throat by FOX News and CNN...

Spare me the Ayn Rand bullshit about collectivism vs. individualism and this pure capitalist ideologue bullshit. You don't live in pure capitalism, so the stupidity you espouse by making these dumb dumb comparisons shows how naïve you are and how much the system has ingrained into your head this non-sense... that somehow you think you're smart and 'enlightened' because 'HuR DuR WoRk HaRdEr" "it's your responsbility"...

you live in a system in which lobbyists and people like PHarma Bro f*ck you over daily and have fuked up the system so bad that you are being manipulated to agree to it... So to sit there and claim that you're this moral superior person cause "I would spend every dollar I have and not complain about" is asinine and bullshit. No, you would complain about it, if it bankrupted you. you wouldn't be skipping around with a shit earing grin on your face, that's for damn sure.
If your wife got cancer and died and you bankrupted yourself, you sure as shit wouldn't be sitting there typing out your keyboard warrior non-sense about individualism vs. collectivism... But it's easy to sit there and do that, when it hasn't hit you..

"We waited only 4 weeks, for a totally non life-threatening surgery and it cost me $500 out of pocket. The cost of the operation is between $65,000-$90,000 TBD."
You're lucky enough that that surgery wasn't something not covered by insurance. Or I'm sure your whole post of 'work harder' would end there.

The point is, that "take responsibility" and "work harder" is true, but, there also has to be some balance. We are no longer living in caves, and spending 99% of time hunting for food.

Lastly, the part that alludes you guys the most, and this will not stick to you cause you're so far down the rabbit hole of this "individualism" non-sense:... and trust me, this is a tough pill to swallow for many of you, so I know a good chunk of you won't get it:

All those cancer treatments, and science experiments that have yielded all these amazing drugs, were PUBLICLY FUNDED.
Oh but how?? Pfizer paid for it!!11
Yes, all this science takes it roots from PUBLICLY funded campaigns. You can trace the origins of all of these medicines back to Wars (R&D), and University research - which is publicly funded.
You sit there and espouse capitalism and individualism and "pay your own way" when, 100% of this stuff was all discovered in the PUBLIC sector or with PUBLIC money.
Yes, the private sector marketed it and sold it to you in a nice convenient package. But the science was developed with PUBLIC money.
(and yes, you can certainly argue that capitalism helped motivate these scientists to develop this stuff on behalf of governments, etc)

anyway, these types of posts on these forums always turns into this weird group of "hard core capitalists" where "dying cause you can't afford treatment" is your fault.

capitalism does work. its a great system. except there has to be a balance. and it's clear that some of you don't understand what balance means. hence your posts "hurr durrrrrrrr responsibility". yeah, sure.
 
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You missed my point, so I’ll try a different angle.

The guy admits that the system made him bitter and hateful person. Read the post again.

I am saying, he should rejoice at the fact that his wife is alive. His focus is on the wrong thing.

Both are true, the system f**ed him! And his wife is alive. Which one should he be? Bitter and hateful person?

OR …

Grateful and happy she’s alive?

You tell me.

In no way am I saying “harden up and shut up about the system”, I’m saying that in life we get good and bad news all the time. You get to pick what you want to focus on. He chose to be bitter and hateful. How does his wife feel? Does she now feel he’s blaming her and her cancer for them suddenly becoming poor?

you can make more money but you can’t make more time.
I'll tell you this

just cause someone makes a post outlining the stupidity of the system they live in, doesn't mean they aren't happy their wife survived..

you paint it to be this binary thing, that somehow you can't have both?
happiness that your wife lived.
bitterness that the system is stupid and bankrupts you.

these are mutually exclusive feelings.
 

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Keep circle jerking yourself to this non-sense.

You are responsible for your family? Oh ok, so if someone comes up to you and shoots you in the head, is it your fault too cause you didn't take responsibility into your own hand by driving an armored car?/ right??

Oh BuT dAiVeY tHaTs NoT tHe SaMe ThInG.

Actually it is. You getting cancer severe enough that requires intervention which costs 100's of thousands of dollars is LITERALLY just drawing the short stick.. Flipping a coin if you will. SURE some of your life choices may contribute to it.. and sometimes it's just the short stick - genetics. So to casually sit back and say "HuR DuR I'm responsible" is just a cop out non-sense which is being shoved down your throat by FOX News and CNN...

Spare me the Ayn Rand bullshit about collectivism vs. individualism and this pure capitalist ideologue bullshit. You don't live in pure capitalism, so the stupidity you espouse by making these dumb dumb comparisons shows how naïve you are and how much the system has ingrained into your head this non-sense... that somehow you think you're smart and 'enlightened' because 'HuR DuR WoRk HaRdEr" "it's your responsbility"...

you live in a system in which lobbyists and people like PHarma Bro f*ck you over daily and have fuked up the system so bad that you are being manipulated to agree to it... So to sit there and claim that you're this moral superior person cause "I would spend every dollar I have and not complain about" is asinine and bullshit. No, you would complain about it, if it bankrupted you. you wouldn't be skipping around with a shit earing grin on your face, that's for damn sure.
If your wife got cancer and died and you bankrupted yourself, you sure as shit wouldn't be sitting there typing out your keyboard warrior non-sense about individualism vs. collectivism... But it's easy to sit there and do that, when it hasn't hit you..

"We waited only 4 weeks, for a totally non life-threatening surgery and it cost me $500 out of pocket. The cost of the operation is between $65,000-$90,000 TBD."
You're lucky enough that that surgery wasn't something not covered by insurance. Or I'm sure your whole post of 'work harder' would end there.

The point is, that "take responsibility" and "work harder" is true, but, there also has to be some balance. We are no longer living in caves, and spending 99% of time hunting for food.

Lastly, the part that alludes you guys the most, and this will not stick to you cause you're so far down the rabbit hole of this "individualism" non-sense:... and trust me, this is a tough pill to swallow for many of you, so I know a good chunk of you won't get it:

All those cancer treatments, and science experiments that have yielded all these amazing drugs, were PUBLICLY FUNDED.
Oh but how?? Pfizer paid for it!!11
Yes, all this science takes it roots from PUBLICLY funded campaigns. You can trace the origins of all of these medicines back to Wars (R&D), and University research - which is publicly funded.
You sit there and espouse capitalism and individualism and "pay your own way" when, 100% of this stuff was all discovered in the PUBLIC sector or with PUBLIC money.
Yes, the private sector marketed it and sold it to you in a nice convenient package. But the science was developed with PUBLIC money.
(and yes, you can certainly argue that capitalism helped motivate these scientists to develop this stuff on behalf of governments, etc)

anyway, these types of posts on these forums always turns into this weird group of "hard core capitalists" where "dying cause you can't afford treatment" is your fault.

capitalism does work. its a great system. except there has to be a balance. and it's clear that some of you don't understand what balance means. hence your posts "hurr durrrrrrrr responsibility". yeah, sure.
My hardcore individualism has made my life pretty awesome. Complaining pussies always want to think collectively. Its nice to not have to listen to whining bitches anymore.
 

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My hardcore individualism has made my life pretty awesome. Complaining pussies always want to think collectively. Its nice to not have to listen to whining bitches anymore.
strange, you're in this thread labelled "rant"?

for all that individualism, you're on a forum benefiting from collectivism.
on the internet..
developed by public sector...
to benefit all man kind.

go johnny go go, goo go gogo johnny goo
 

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Off topic on this thread but can you explain to me what it means when you type a sentence in upper and lower case letters like this - "Oh BuT dAiVeY tHaTs NoT tHe SaMe ThInG." Why type them upper and lower as opposed to just type a sentence?

I'll tell you this

just cause someone makes a post outlining the stupidity of the system they live in, doesn't mean they aren't happy their wife survived..

you paint it to be this binary thing, that somehow you can't have both?
happiness that your wife lived.
bitterness that the system is stupid and bankrupts you.

these are mutually exclusive feelings.

Normally no, not mutually exclusive. But this bloke tells you he became a bitter and hateful person. Later asking "this is the country I am supposed to be proud of?". So yea, I read his statement as someone who is no longer feeling any gratefulness to be living in a country that saved his wife's life. He's now just a bitter and hateful person. My gut reaction to his post wasn't sympathy.

We could argue this forever.

This thread was meant to highlight the need to learn to accumulate wealth faster, fastlane. Because the system that failed him isn't just the insurance and healthcare, the system he personally used to accumulate wealth was too slow and he doesn't yet know he could get back to wealth and fast. This is important because he's not living in North Korea, he's in the USA. A country where making more money is not only possible but easier than in most of the rest of the world.
 

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Off topic on this thread but can you explain to me what it means when you type a sentence in upper and lower case letters like this - "Oh BuT dAiVeY tHaTs NoT tHe SaMe ThInG." Why type them upper and lower as opposed to just type a sentence?



Normally no, not mutually exclusive. But this bloke tells you he became a bitter and hateful person. Later asking "this is the country I am supposed to be proud of?". So yea, I read his statement as someone who is no longer feeling any gratefulness to be living in a country that saved his wife's life. He's now just a bitter and hateful person. My gut reaction to his post wasn't sympathy.

We could argue this forever.

This thread was meant to highlight the need to learn to accumulate wealth faster, fastlane. Because the system that failed him isn't just the insurance and healthcare, the system he personally used to accumulate wealth was too slow and he doesn't yet know he could get back to wealth and fast. This is important because he's not living in North Korea, he's in the USA. A country where making more money is not only possible but easier than in most of the rest of the world.
you're assuming that in any other country you would die? lol....so be grateful you didn't die, in america, but are now bankrupt??

but yes.. your only choice in America is make FU money, or yeah, die of tiny tumor that you would have removed for free even in the hospitals in Favellas of Brazil....... literally ANY country in the world can do cancer treatements nowadays and u dont have to be a trillionaire to do it..

but yes, tell me more about individualism
 

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you're assuming that in any other country you would die? lol....so be grateful you didn't die, in america, but are now bankrupt??

but yes.. your only choice in America is make FU money, or yeah, die of tiny tumor that you would have removed for free even in the hospitals in Favellas of Brazil....... literally ANY country in the world can do cancer treatements nowadays and u dont have to be a trillionaire to do it..

but yes, tell me more about individualism
Now I don’t think you are intelligent. You can’t read?

Moving on…
 

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Now I don’t think you are intelligent. You can’t read?

Moving on…
So yea, I read his statement as someone who is no longer feeling any gratefulness to be living in a country that saved his wife's life.

You can't read, can you? Or do you remember what you wrote?
See above, I bolded it for you..

You are inferring that the poster should be GRATEFUL for living in a country that saved his wifes life.. And I'm telling you, what is to be grateful for, for a simple operation/treatement/whatever, that can be done in any country, AND NOT BANKRUPT you???

You see the connection, or do you need me to draw you line?
 

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