Quitting a job.

[Formless]

I have a sales job at a phone store. I do not like it because I do not believe in the product enough to sell it convincingly, and I do not like it because of the stress that customer problems cause - because being a tiny cog in a big machine - I cannot solve most of their problems, but must face pressure from angry bosses, and angry customers, and I do not like pressure imposed by anyone other than myself. I want to quit, but I am waiting for my pay first, this pay would allow me to get into some CPA stuff that would kickstart me into developing money making habits. CPA instead of a pure fastlane because I still haven't got one of those lightbulb epiphanies yet, nor do I have the knowledge to turn someone else's epiphany into a fastlane, I need knowledge and that will take time, but I need to start doing something that yields results.

I COULD 'tough it out' and give notice on payday, or I could just quit on the day I get paid.

What arguments would you have for either doing it 'the right way' or the fast way? All arguments except for 'you will get a bad reference if you quit' will be considered. The fastlane is not about becoming a famous commodity among slave-traders.

 

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[benhebert]

There's a lot of ways to approach this and it really depends on how you are as a person. This should be left up to you and only you. Don't take someone else's advice, do what you think is right.

I quit my full time corporate job earlier this year and it was out of the middle of nowhere. I struggled for a little bit with cashflow, but being on the edge and being forced to make $$$$ or not eat was motivation for me. I turned everything around and launched my new business.

When I was working my regular job, my motivation was never that strong. It's comforting to get a paycheck every few weeks and it is restrictive.

Given that you'll need as much money as you can no matter what venture you're pursing, I'd say get the $$$ and then quit.

 

[Formless]

I have a pretty good idea of what is 'right' (don't waste time, quit when paid)

This is one of those threads where partly, I am asking for alternative perspectives, but partly asking 'to be agreed with'.

There is some sort of 'obligation' I feel to my boss because of him hiring me and the money that goes into recruitment etc. - But that's an emotional response. Logically, I make my company £3000 a week (So £12000) per month, and I will get paid £1200 of that (taxes already deducted.) So logically, I am getting F*cked. Uncontrollable Limited Leverage at work.

 

[Mrs. BRKb]

Why not generate consistent income with any new hustle before you throw away what you have (proof of concept that you can do it)?

Have a viable plan, that doesn't leave you wanting for food or shelter, as you grow your finances.

Best wishes.

 

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[preshovus]

Benhebert is right. When you run out of money, your motivation to survive and earn money will be strong enough to make some - either by starting a business or by finding another job to earn a living. The second is more probable if you don't have any idea what your business will be. Focus on your cashflow. What option will give you more money to invest? My recommendation is to keep the job and use the hate for this job as a fuel to start your own business part time. The day has 24 hours and if you work 8 hours, sleep 6, transport, shop and eay for 2 hours, you still have another 8 hours to work on your business. Work your a$$ off to at least earn money reserve for 3 months of living before you quit your job. Be more productive.

Having a regular job, university scholarship at the same time helped me to save a lot of money. Having two incomes was great and I had no time to spend it on anything else except food, transport and housing. It worked for me, try it too. If you want more, read my [link removed by Mod].

 

[liquidglass]

Logically, I make my company £3000 a week (So £12000) per month, and I will get paid £1200 of that (taxes already deducted.) So logically, I am getting F*cked. Uncontrollable Limited Leverage at work.

I agree you don't control your destiny to the full extent you'd like to, but to make money you have to help other people. Especially starting out you can't afford to think you deserve the whole pie when you didn't set anything up and you just slid into a seat on the bus. Logically you're getting what a job provides, however, because it's a sales job (assuming you're paid commission) you have the unique opportunity to grow your income as you grow your skills, mindset, and other opportunities.

My suggestion would be, of course it's always up to you, WORK YOUR a$$ OFF! Be the best damn sales person that company has ever seen. Make yourself more valuable and make more money while you're there. You have to build a launching pad before you send the rocket off! I'm not saying you should grow old and die there, but if you're doing something then do it all the way, to think otherwise is a slow lane mentality. Dealing with these customers, bosses, and stress will prepare you for your own fastlane journey in the future. Or do you think it's all lollipops and rainbows when you hit the fast lane?

While you're doing that start doing affiliate work, make a side income as well, hell why not! Build yourself a cushion so you can launch your future plans you haven't thought of yet.


Burning the boats and going full steam ahead is a method I preach and love but you have to have an ultimate goal and solid plan to get there before you light the bonfire.

 

[mememan]

Here's my take. Company loyalty today doesn't make any sense to me: they will fire you in a heartbeat to save a few pennies. If you don't have money saved up, stay at this job, but make them fire you. Slack off. At the same time, realize that making money online isn't instantaneous and you can lose a lot. I went into ebusiness with the best of intentions, but a lot of wasted time and money later, still haven't made inroads.

 

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[Runum]

Be clear on one thing:

To be successful, you will work harder on stuff you don't like, for more hours, for less money, to the point of exhaustion more, for yourself than you would as being an employee.

At this point, if your focus is how much you work vs how much you get paid, you probably are lazy and won't make on your own.

It is true, the only thing you owe the employer is your agreement for a honest day's work for an agreed amount of pay. However, that is very narrow minded and limits you and your opportunities.

You have to think of yourself and your future. Go to work with the mindset you will have as a businessman. Look for opportunities to improve yourself, your vision, your ability to see and recognize things. Be willing to work hard now so you can prove to yourself that you can work hard when you are the boss. Be willing to prove to yourself, through actions not words, that you have what it takes to be self reliant and self employed.

If you grow a decent sized business you will have employees. You better learn how to manage them now so that you can do well in the future. Observe and learn what works with employees now and what doesn't work. Learn motivation techniques, strategies. Learn how to work with suppliers and vendors. Learn how to strategically plan and negotiate.

If you have to keep the job, don't just go to work and punch in, do the job, and leave. Use it to learn and make yourself a better person.

Also, when it comes time to leave, why not be the better person and not burn bridges? You will need allies and friends in business. Why intentionally make enemies?

I wish you well on your transformation.

 

[Kak]

I have a sales job at a phone store.

I do not like it because of the stress

Worried about stress at a mindless job? Entrepreneurship isnt for you. You need to learn to be fine with shit that would seriously stress out normal people.

 

[Tom.V]

I do not like pressure imposed by anyone other than myself

I want to quit

I don't think you're ready. You don't seem like you've emotionally convinced yourself that what you are doing is right. When I quit my job back in April, my reasoning was I had to be in control of my own destiny. It wasn't because I was being pressured. It was because I knew that if I wanted to make something out of myself then I had to do it on my own. I had to, because no one else would.

If you don't know shit about shit, stick out the job for some time and learn along the way. Figure out how business machines tick, figure out how sell harder, figure out how to hustle on the side, figure out how to be the coolest mother F*cker on the planet under pressure, and save up some money for when shit hits the fan.

Just saying, get your head right.

 

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[JAJT]

I do not like it because I do not believe in the product enough to sell it convincingly,

You don't believe in the hottest products for the hottest industry on the planet? Really? If you can't sell a product that people are literally foaming at the mouth for, you're in trouble.

and I do not like it because of the stress that customer problems cause

Just wait until you have your own customers and their complaints and word of mouth directly affect YOUR bottom line, not your employers. You want stress? Try launching a product on Amazon (or elsewhere) where a single early bad review will DESTROY the product entirely. You can't handle someone bitching about a product or service that doesn't even affect your paycheck? Man, that's a problem.

I cannot solve most of their problems,

You can do your absolute best while empathizing with their issues, coming up with creative solutions and getting on the "same side of the table" with them though. That's all most customers want - someone to TRY to understand them.

I do not like pressure imposed by anyone other than myself.

How about the pressure to be the best at ANYTHING you do? You think the top performers on this forum were indifferent about their jobs before striking gold? You think they gave up because "F*ck it, I don't like it?" No. They kicked F*cking a$$ for everyone else until the day they decided to kick F*cking a$$ for themselves.

developing money making habits

Dedication and giving everything your all is the biggest money making habit you can build.

 

[Bigguns50]

To be successful, you will work harder on stuff you don't like, for more hours, for less money, to the point of exhaustion more, for yourself than you would as being an employee.

Man you've got that right. Today is Sunday and I feel my head is going to explode ! Reading, studying, action...rinse, repeat. And it's stuff I don't like...but...I have my target set. I tell myself daily out loud "This is what I do !" MY choice. MY responsibility. MY goals will be met.

So Formless....think about what everyone has told you. Lot's of experience and good advice.

Hell, I'm thinking...you know your company is killing it..why not poke around, research, and learn 'why' and 'how' they're doing it. Sounds like you could learn a lot. Importing ? Structure ? Products ? Applications ?

I think working in that store would be stressful but... There HAS to be things you can learn there. Maybe spot a weakness in the business ...or product...maybe solve a problem or come up with something customers need...they must complain. You should listen. Complaints = $.

 

[Formless]

Thanks a lot guys. You've made a good point about me learning as much about THE BUSINESS as possible. I got a little swamped seeing it as just 'sales'. There is so much I could learn about the distribution and computer systems etc.

My decision is not made yet, but it has been affected. Much appreciated.

 

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[Formless]

Update.

This whole thing was an emotion driven brainfart. I had some consecutive days that sucked, and when things suck, my instinct is to curl up in a ball, cry and quit and watch bad porn or play videogames. I got underpaid (contract was 15 hours, I did 45 per week, got paid for around 3 weeks of work, did 5), but I'm going to stick around. Within this last week or so something clicked, and I pitch like a F*cking demon now, I started enjoying it. Maybe because I've managed to convert a few 'I'm just looking' customers into buyers who ask for me by name. My sister walked into the shop and bought a phone from one of my colleagues, I asked her (passively) if she got insurance on it, she said no (and it was a £29.99 handset, insuring that is F*cking idiotic).

The moment she said 'no' I instinctively started trying to sell it to her, then realized 'F*ck, I'm selling, not talking.' it's becoming a part of my character, and I think that's a good thing.

This isn't a case of 'I love my job <333' now, that'd be a lie. BUT I have improved significantly over a short period of time, I now get satisfaction from sales, my ability to build rapport with a customer has F*cking skyrocketed. I now know how to contaminate people with (sometimes false) enthusiasm for the product/service I'm offering. This is valuable. I don't think I would have seen the true value of it if I didn't encounter this forum.

I also turn up to work 30 minutes early every day so I can ask my manager questions about the business, as advised here. When things get stable (2 weeks max) I am going to be trained to perform his duties. (Sending off manufacturer warranty repairs, insurance repairs/replacements, stocktaking, audits, organizing contracts and sending them to networks, chasing things up (network contractual disputes, missing items etc.)

No epiphany on the fastlane front yet, but I don't need an epiphany - I have access to the 'addicted to passive income' thread. I have £300 that I can afford to lose.

Off to Alibaba.

Thank you everyone. This forum is great.