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Edit: I wrote this post and based on the comments in the thread, I'm going to go back and rewatch it. I commented on this, but I think people are just reading the OP and not the other posts and responding:

Okay, fair post. I have seen it, but it admittedly didn't get my full attention after the first 20 minutes because I was so turned off by the beginning: which seemed to be glorifying (or at least wanting you to sympathize with) their parasitic behavior. I'll give it another view and maybe post my thoughts.

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Last month's Academy Awards had one very big winner. The comedic social commentary "Parasite" won 4 very prestigious awards (Best Picture, Best Director, Best Original Screenplay.)

If you're not familiar, Parasite is a film sympathizing with a family of scamming grifters who refuse to work, and eventually through clever social manipulation figure out a way for the entire family to live a parasitic existence off a successful family.

"The slum-dwelling Kim family run scams from their filthy, bug-infested hovel. They pose as servants to the wealthy corporate executive Park family — the son as a tutor, the daughter as an art therapist, the father as a chauffeur, and the mother as housekeeper — and then exploit their employers’ trust."

It's a movie that (quote) "targets and humiliates the wealthy, high-living entrepreneurs while sentimentalizing and sympathizing with the dishonest, corrupt agitators who angle to swindle them."

The film (slated to also become a sitcom) comedically explores topics such as 'the folly of meritocracy,' and how those in positions of power are unqualified for their roles.

From Forbes:

"In his inner monologue, [the father] Ki-woo mentions that neither the doctor or detective look suited to their positions, and the detective's childish uncertainty hints that perhaps he really is out of his depth. The absurdity of society, the myth of the meritocracy, have been laid bare to Ki-woo; perhaps everyone is faking it, to a certain extent, just as he and his family once did.

The film seems to be questioning the notion of education, intelligence and determination providing class mobility. Is success truly organic, or is it mostly due to the circumstances of one’s birth? Some of the best scenes in the film show the Kim’s barely concealing their deception, keeping it together in front of the eternally oblivious Parks.

I think these scenes highlight something that many of us feel, that the world is filled with people (especially those that hold powerful positions of authority), that simply aren’t “qualified” for their role.
"


The absolute worst part about this? The reception it's received. It sits atop metactitics "Best Movies of 2019" list

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It also won the most prestigious award at the Cannes Film Festival, on top of the four Oscars:

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You can watch the first 10 minutes here:

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZNFdGfouBh0


It's amazing that these are the current sentiments of Americans.
 

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The only thing I knew of Parasite until this thread was its title. I thought it was some epic Korean horror flick involving human feasting parasites.

Well I can cross that one off the list to watch. So sad.
 

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Plus, wasn't this weeks ago? Dude there's so many more things to get worked up about if you're in that frame of mind, lack of toilet paper for instance!*

*reference to the Wuhan thread in case you haven't read it.
 

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Are we really even surprised anymore?
I probably shouldn't be, but the movies that win Academy Awards are usually very good. The only ones I saw this year were Once Upon A Time in Hollywood and The Irishman, which were both amazing. I'm sure Parasite is a great film, it's just that the political message is so disgusting.

It's kind of poetically ironic... extremely talented, wealthy men like Martin Scorsese cheering for a movie implying that wealthy people have no talent.


1917 Should have won all the awards. (My biased opinion since I haven't seen Parasite.) But 1917 was so unique. I was very impressed.
I haven't seen it yet, but I'll add it to my list.
 

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I'm sorry but it sounds like nobody has seen truely the movie and everybody seems to be focusing on these small quotes.

The reason why Parasite is a great movie is not because a poor family learns how to exploit the rich one. This movie shows how you see the world. In true both families are exploiting each other.

One of them has to learn how to do it for survival reasons. The other do it more from a natural behaviour based on the security they have.

And this movie is not about 2 families. It about 3. The third one, the most poorest and most tragic one. It is the directors critics to show that the poorest among the korean society are not noticed. Even when they are existing on a daily basis next to them.

Watch the movie before you think too negative about it! It is fantastic in many ways which I can't describe in English.

It is a political and at the same time a non-political movie. It is a criticising and at the same time not giving a f*ck movie.

I just use one of the most famous quotes of the movie: "RESPECT!" to say Watch the movie first, judge later.
 

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I'm sorry but it sounds like nobody has seen truely the movie and everybody seems to be focusing on these small quotes.

The reason why Parasite is a great movie is not because a poor family learns how to exploit the rich one. This movie shows how you see the world. In true both families are exploiting each other.

One of them has to learn how to do it for survival reasons. The other do it more from a natural behaviour based on the security they have.

And this movie is not about 2 families. It about 3. The third one, the most poorest and most tragic one. It is the directors critics to show that the poorest among the korean society are not noticed. Even when they are existing on a daily basis next to them.

Watch the movie before you think too negative about it! It is fantastic in many ways which I can't describe in English.

It is a political and at the same time a non-political movie. It is a criticising and at the same time not giving a f*ck movie.

I just use one of the most famous quotes of the movie: "RESPECT!" to say Watch the movie first, judge later.
Okay, fair post. I have seen it, but it admittedly didn't get my full attention after the first 20 minutes because I was so turned off by the beginning: which seemed to be glorifying (or at least wanting you to sympathize with) their parasitic behavior. I'll give it another view and maybe post my thoughts.
 

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I think it doesn't glorify the poor family at all. It shows then as the disgusting parasites they are. It wasn't the best movie ever, but it's quite funny and interesting. I recommend you all to go and watch it. It sure as hell is better than most Hollywood crap.
 

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Crabs in a bucket mentality.
Everyone is mediocre and almost everyone accepts this standard. This is why mediocrity is indeed, normal.

I stopped watching movies produced after 1999 for a reason. Society has been heading in the wrong direction from that year, so if you are in this forum chances are your mindset diverges from most people's.

Most movies you see are targeted to the mediocre, to the consumers (to people who do nothing but watch movies and TV series). They are not targeted to producers and entrepreneurs, cause their market would be so narrow they would make no money from it.
 

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Okay, fair post. I have seen it, but it admittedly didn't get my full attention after the first 20 minutes because I was so turned off by the beginning: which seemed to be glorifying (or at least wanting you to sympathize with) their parasitic behavior. I'll give it another view and maybe post my thoughts.

I actually believe it was a great movie.

I agree with you that it starts out by trying to make you sympathize with the poor family at first, but after they start manifesting themselves in the Park family I think it gradually shows them as worse people throughout the movie.

I also liked it because I don't think it was very Hollywood, it felt "Korean/Japanese" - a bit crazy and unpredictable.

I do think it shows two extremes, which doesn't represent everyone from the two social classes.

The rich family is extremely "over the top", the wife is a true trophy wife. She is oblivious to everything and isn't very smart, but just pretty.

The man is overly arrogant, "elitarian" and has that "vibe" of classic detail oriented director kind of guy. (e.g. when he notices how little his coffee stirred, when his driver turns a corner when they drive).

The poor family being extremely parasitic, hustling from everyone that they possibly can, steals, fakes documents, kills or anything necessary.

Its two extremes and I heard from a Korean friend of mine that its very common for Korean movies to have very extreme character versions.

I do understand your OP though, I think there is a bad tendency in Hollywood to frame poor people as always being poor and innocent and never responsible for their life.
 

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I thought it was one of the best movies I've seen. That's what I felt leaving the theater and that's what I reiterated to a friend I met up with on Saturday. It was very similar to another movie in 2019, Midsommar.

I never really felt that it was doing a disservice to the wealthy or somehow painting them in a bad light. It was more about the poor family using craftiness, determination, and a bit of hard work to better their lot, things central to entrepreneurship.

I can see how it's a movie that can be interpreted in a lot of different ways, which is why some have painted it in a bad light as anti-capitalist, anti-wealth. But even if one could make these takes, I still reckon they aren't overly in-your-face and the core premise. Regardless, I think based on entertainment value alone, it's worth a watch.
 

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Have you seen the movie?

It's actually a decent movie. What didn't you like about it? Why do you call it disgusting ?
 

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Literally finished watching Parasite this morning.


It was definitely a great movie imo - second half was a real left-turn from what I was expecting.

In terms of the message...

It didn't feel too 'anti-rich' or 'anti success' from what I saw, those quotes seem to be exaggerating things.

Although admittedly, there were moments where I'd roll my eyes due to a few 'cliché' representations of what wealthy people are like.

But all in all, it was still enjoyable. It wasn't like a full-out SJW "the rich are evil and must have their riches shared out, socialism is amazing!!" message, it was a little more subtle than that - and although I don't agree with the message, they never shoved it down my throat, so it was still fun to watch.

If you really want to get mad, go to reddit, find posts about Jeff Bezos, and read the comments ;)
 

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I actually believe it was a great movie.

I agree with you that it starts out by trying to make you sympathize with the poor family at first, but after they start manifesting themselves in the Park family I think it gradually shows them as worse people throughout the movie.

I also liked it because I don't think it was very Hollywood, it felt "Korean/Japanese" - a bit crazy and unpredictable.

I do think it shows two extremes, which doesn't represent everyone from the two social classes.

The rich family is extremely "over the top", the wife is a true trophy wife. She is oblivious to everything and isn't very smart, but just pretty.

The man is overly arrogant, "elitarian" and has that "vibe" of classic detail oriented director kind of guy. (e.g. when he notices how little his coffee stirred, when his driver turns a corner when they drive).

The poor family being extremely parasitic, hustling from everyone that they possibly can, steals, fakes documents, kills or anything necessary.

Its two extremes and I heard from a Korean friend of mine that its very common for Korean movies to have very extreme character versions.

I do understand your OP though, I think there is a bad tendency in Hollywood to frame poor people as always being poor and innocent and never responsible for their life.
I thought it was one of the best movies I've seen. That's what I felt leaving the theater and that's what I reiterated to a friend I met up with on Saturday. It was very similar to another movie in 2019, Midsommar.

I never really felt that it was doing a disservice to the wealthy or somehow painting them in a bad light. It was more about the poor family using craftiness, determination, and a bit of hard work to better their lot, things central to entrepreneurship.

I can see how it's a movie that can be interpreted in a lot of different ways, which is why some have painted it in a bad light as anti-capitalist, anti-wealth. But even if one could make these takes, I still reckon they aren't overly in-your-face and the core premise. Regardless, I think based on entertainment value alone, it's worth a watch.
Have you seen the movie?

It's actually a decent movie. What didn't you like about it? Why do you call it disgusting ?
Literally finished watching Parasite this morning.


It was definitely a great movie imo - second half was a real left-turn from what I was expecting.

In terms of the message...

It didn't feel too 'anti-rich' or 'anti success' from what I saw, those quotes seem to be exaggerating things.

Although admittedly, there were moments where I'd roll my eyes due to a few 'cliché' representations of what wealthy people are like.

But all in all, it was still enjoyable. It wasn't like a full-out SJW "the rich are evil and must have their riches shared out, socialism is amazing!!" message, it was a little more subtle than that - and although I don't agree with the message, they never shoved it down my throat, so it was still fun to watch.

If you really want to get mad, go to reddit, find posts about Jeff Bezos, and read the comments ;)
Hey guys, thanks for comments. I'm gonna rewatch it with an unbiased perspective when I get a chance. Hopefully I'm wrong about it.

I started watching it and at least the beginning it seemed like a "rich people get what's coming to them" flick, so I do admit that after that my attention started to drift.

I think I may have may have gone in with a tainted perspective. Before watching I read a little about the film and the director said "if you look at it the other way, you can say that rich family, they're also parasites in terms of labor. They can't even wash dishes, they can't drive themselves, so they leech off the poor family's labor." so with all that it seemed like the inverse, socialist version of an Ayn Rand novel.

Don't worry... I'm gonna go back and watch and give it my full attention. Maybe I was too hasty in my judgement of it.
 

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I wonder if youve even seen the movie because you’ve utterly misread it.

Actually the rich are shown as quite nice people and the poor as quite scummy. And then there’s a third party you didn’t even mention that is shown to be the actual parasite, although the whole point of the movie is that’s it’s unclear who’s actually parasitic, if anyone. The director didn’t take any sides and there’s many ways to read it.

Infact I saw a socialist hating the movie just as much as you because he saw the movie and thought the movie was sympathizing with the rich!!! Just goes to show how much you’re projecting.

It’s a pity your nonsense here has turned off a lot of people from seeing an otherwise fantastic and immensely enjoyable movie. And shame on those other people for being influenced so easily.

Suit yourselves, I guess.
 

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Sounds like a great movie for a film study class... sociologically, it sounds like both parties can be perceived parasitically, both operating out of self-interest (hey, don't we all) and hence, why it makes for a good movie per the reviews. I'm also interested in watching the cultural aspects as Asian culture is very "slowlane" get a job oriented, while America, still has some entrepreneurial bones.

No I haven't seen the movie, but now my curiosity is peaked!
 

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The only thing I knew of Parasite until this thread was its title. I thought it was some epic Korean horror flick involving human feasting parasites.

Well I can cross that one off the list to watch. So sad.
I was thinking the same thing for some reason
 

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It’s a pity your nonsense here has turned off a lot of people from seeing an otherwise fantastic and immensely enjoyable movie. And shame on those other people for being influenced so easily.

Suit yourselves, I guess.

Too bad it is now impossible for enlightened people to find other sources of information, either confirming or contradicting Chris' opinion. Yes, nobody will ever watch it now, alas. All over for that movie, and the director and the actors will obviously starve. Chris, how dare you share an opinion? Good heavens.
 

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Parasite was interesting, albeit too simplistic in its on-the-nose visual symbolism; for example, the poor family lives physically lower in the city, and in order to get to the wealthy folks' house they have to literally walk up higher. During the raining sequence, the poor family house is being flooded while the editor juxtaposes between that sequence and the rich family gazing peacefully out their enormous window at the rain storm. Not bad, but IMO too simplistic and heavy handed. The crazy left-turn towards the climax was a bit jarring and out of character. Not great but not terrible of a movie.

Now as far as the actual best movie of the year goes, that would have to undeniably be The Lighthouse, which is a black and white movie filmed with a full-screen aspect ratio about two men stuck together going crazy on a lighthouse and all they can do is drink way too much alcohol. Also, thought-provoking but much funnier, more clever, more subtle and a lot more cryptic (lots of mythology metaphors). Has nothing to do with entrepreneurship however.

Or The Irishman which was also great. Forget Oscars, that movie should be preserved in the library of congress.
 

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Sounds like a great movie for a film study class... sociologically, it sounds like both parties can be perceived parasitically, both operating out of self-interest (hey, don't we all) and hence, why it makes for a good movie per the reviews. I'm also interested in watching the cultural aspects as Asian culture is very "slowlane" get a job oriented, while America, still has some entrepreneurial bones.

No I haven't seen the movie, but now my curiosity is peaked!
George Gilder covered this movie in his emails.

He also complained about how the rich are made into villains.

He said something like, 'Don't you know how the rich have to worry about managing the employees to be put to good roles, and worrying about how to pay them?

And don't the lesser ones get the opportunity to at least display their ingenuity to make market value out of what they can offer?'
 

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Last month's Academy Awards had one very big winner. The comedic social commentary "Parasite" won 4 very prestigious awards (Best Picture, Best Director, Best Original Screenplay.)

If you're not familiar, Parasite is a film sympathizing with a family of scamming grifters who refuse to work, and eventually through clever social manipulation figure out a way for the entire family to live a parasitic existence off a successful family.

"The slum-dwelling Kim family run scams from their filthy, bug-infested hovel. They pose as servants to the wealthy corporate executive Park family — the son as a tutor, the daughter as an art therapist, the father as a chauffeur, and the mother as housekeeper — and then exploit their employers’ trust."

It's a movie that (quote) "targets and humiliates the wealthy, high-living entrepreneurs while sentimentalizing and sympathizing with the dishonest, corrupt agitators who angle to swindle them."

The film (slated to also become a sitcom) comedically explores topics such as 'the folly of meritocracy,' and how those in positions of power are unqualified for their roles.

From Forbes:

"In his inner monologue, [the father] Ki-woo mentions that neither the doctor or detective look suited to their positions, and the detective's childish uncertainty hints that perhaps he really is out of his depth. The absurdity of society, the myth of the meritocracy, have been laid bare to Ki-woo; perhaps everyone is faking it, to a certain extent, just as he and his family once did.

The film seems to be questioning the notion of education, intelligence and determination providing class mobility. Is success truly organic, or is it mostly due to the circumstances of one’s birth? Some of the best scenes in the film show the Kim’s barely concealing their deception, keeping it together in front of the eternally oblivious Parks.

I think these scenes highlight something that many of us feel, that the world is filled with people (especially those that hold powerful positions of authority), that simply aren’t “qualified” for their role.
"


The absolute worst part about this? The reception it's received. It sits atop metactitics "Best Movies of 2019" list

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It also won the most prestigious award at the Cannes Film Festival, on top of the four Oscars:

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You can watch the first 10 minutes here:

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZNFdGfouBh0


It's amazing that these are the current sentiments of Americans.

Spoiler Alerts!!!!

To be fair, I think it dosen't completely sympathizes the scammers. In the end, the family of scammers paid the price for their scamming with the death of the daughter, a short prison sentence for the mother and son and the father being trapped in a basement (maybe) for his whole life.

There was a scene, that lead me to believe that we were not supposed to really be on their side. There was a scene where the scammers were getting drunk and kind of trashing the house. They were all ranting about how they were shitty people, but they would be much nicer people if they were rich. That being Rich makes it easy to be nice. They made all sort of sorry excuses for themselves and you could see a bit of thier toxic mentality. They were poor because their mindset was a$$. They clearly jumped from scam to scam to get by and their mindset made them poor (not broke). (They are called "parasites" after all.)

The only thing the Rich family was guilty of is the Rich lady was a little dense and the Rich guy was a bit judgemental about how how people smell.

If you haven't watched it, I would recommend to watch it and judge for yourself. Writers tend to describe things in a way that the general public would accept. I still think it was a good movie, but maybe I see it through a different lens.
 
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